Vick & Maclin Not Practicing, McCoy & Asomugha Are Limited In Workout
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, General News, News Tuesday, November 29th, 2011
Eagles head coach Andy Reid just finished a news conference before heading out to today’s practice. He let us know that cornerback Nmandi Asomugha and running back LeSean McCoy will be limited in the workout today. King Dunlap, Moise Fokou, Jeremy Maclin and Michael Vick won’t practice. Vick will throw on the side.
Reid said that Vick has been throwing but he’s still unable to torque when he throws the football. The Eagles head coach said the quarterback still has pain when he throws the football.
McCoy has a sprained toe and Asomugha is recovering from the knee sprain he suffered at practice last week.
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Eagles really missed the boat with not upgrading the Safety Position..
there were so many quality ones last year that are all signed and locked up for a few years… Dwan Landry, Eric Weddle, Melvin Bullitt, M Pollard,Roman Harper,are all gone and locked up, very few that I am aware of for this off-season
Same with CB’s… C Rogers,J Joseph,R Marshall,C Bailey,I Taylor, all are signed up for a while..
When you look at CB A Samuel situation, you have to ask yourself, what organization is going to trade for a 30 Year Old CB who doesn’t tackle and is due to make $9 Million in 2012 and $10.5 in 2013 Season and give up high Drafat picks in return..That’s right, no Team is going to take on 7% of their total Teams Salary Cap for a light-hitting, malcontent who is never been a team guy.. It’s not going to happen.. The Eagles will either have to release him and or get zippo in return or have him re-work his contract which is very unlikley that Samuel and his Agent would accept.. Again the Eagles Front Office dropped the ball for Samuel should have been traded back in August when teams where intested and could have had Samuel for this Season at a lower Salary figure..
its obvious now that there has been a dramatic shift in the power base from Reid to Roseman, Banner, starting with the abrupt decision to bench kolb in favor of vick and ultimately to extend vick to long term deal, these were not Reid’s decisions,Reid wanted to build his offense around kolb, not vick, and its also pretty clear that no rational football person, who at a minimum Reid is, would have made some of these boneheaded drafts the past three years you are seeing failed management decisions coming to roost, and the biggest one may be vick
Interesting note I did not realize until read and article with Maylock (spelling) and Peter King (I think the greatest sports writer today) -
I digress – Bill Cowher took 14 years to win the Super Bowl in Pittsburg – in year 7 (7-9) 8 (6-10) and 9 (9-7) the Steelers did not qualify for the playoffs after qualifying the first 6… then in year 12 – he digressed back to a 6-10 season – the next year he went 15-1 but lost in the playoffs and then finally in year 14 as a wild card team they won the SB – he then went 8-8 the next year and retired -
Maycock – who is from West Philly said this –
All along, I’ve said the Eagles could go 2-14 and I wouldn’t fire Andy Reid. I think he’s too good a coach and he’s done too much. Bill Cowher in Year 13 was 6-10 … and two years later he’s holding the Super Bowl trophy. I’m not saying that will happen with the Eagles. I don’t know what’s going to happen. … I think Reid deserves an absolute rotten year.”
which is almost identical to what Mangini said on NFL Primetime the other day………….
so it seems a great many ‘football’ insider types (and I think PEter King is one of the best) seem to think no matter what happens record wise – Reid will be back for another year -
Im starting to feel that way too. Doesnt matter how i feel about it. But it just seems like in the NFL and in Philly the success of the past overrides the rotten of the presnt. In that case,GET A REAL D-CORD IN HERE AND PUT SANTE ON THE BLOCK.
Move Nmandi to left corner.DRC to right.Draft a real linebacker….you know…one that is angry and is bigger then the running backs in out division(minus Jacobs). Scrap the wide nine.Re-sign Desean because he just makes this offense go. Sorry,my opinion. Dude lifts the coverage and i think he does need a talking too. Come on bro.
navy – and moreso – they think Reid SHOULD be back next year.
Fact is, saying that Reid can’t win a superbowl with this team is still a closeminded violation of logic – although it can be a valid opinion or guess.
I’m OK if he leaves but just as OK if he stays. I’d like to see Juan go and Marty too for that matter.
Erock and Schill – valid points – I was firmly in the keep Reid camp until I decided to look at his body of work from the perspective of the first half and the second half – then I realized that the majority of his ‘good’ work came in the first 8 or 9 years and lately he has been fading… – but then look at Cowher – and don’t kid yourself – Cowher is/was arrogant, thinks he is smarter then everyone else, stubborn and every other thing everyone says Andy Reid is (funny thing Maylock also said was there are 27/28 other NFL teams that would love to have had the run Andy has provided) then he related it to a business and said would you fire your number 4 5 or 6 out of 32 top salesperson for not being number 1? If he had a down year would you can him or give him a chance to rebound?
but Schill on your ‘should’ comment – they are not as ‘invested’ emotionally, and look at the game from a broad perspective –
working on my next myth buster rant – I am thinking of tackling the ‘Andy Reid and the great WR fiasco’ that should be a hoot
Put me down to promote the book signing.
Cowher was an arrogant jerk. Took him forever to get a qb. And Bigben fell in there lap.They really thought he was gonna be a stud?
If they lose to the Seahawks it will be anarchy!!!ITS XMAS !!! SH!T….WHAT AM I TO SAY TO THE DALLAS AND GIANTS FANS AT THE XMAS PARTIES THIS YEAR? I HOPE YOU GUYS LOSE TOO.
pathetic
Tell them to kiss your ass cause no matter what – it is still better to be an Eagle fan – and that no amount of anyhting that happened before this year can change that – took the Sox fans how many years to get over the curse – think a Sox fan had a problme telling a Yankee fan what they thought of the Yanks— don’t let them push the buttons
KNowledge universal….word Navy.
There are differences between the Cowher/Pittsburgh & Reid/Eagles coaching situations.
- The Steelers had won multiple SB’s prior to Cowher taking over the head coaching position.
-Cowher was only the 2nd coach for the Steelers during the Rooney’s ownership. The organization has demonstrated (quite successfully I would point out) great loyalty to it’s coaches. I guess the fact that each of their last 3 head coaches have won SuperBowls, allows patience and loyalty to be an easy choice.
- The Cowher example is the only SuperBowl winning Head Coach that took longer than 7 years before winning a SB. This is in the history of the NFL, so using it as a common example, while true example, it is hardly the way that most SB winning coaches have had their careers work out.
Yes…it is possible that AR would win a SB in the future, but only once in the history of the NFL has a coach gone as long without winning a SB.
Navy – I agree with that ‘myth’ about the WRs you’re trying to bust. I’d bark up another tree if I were you. As for the arrogant jerk thing – I challenge anyone to point to a winning coach in any sport who wasn’t thought of as an arrogant jerk to many people at some point. I’m pretty certain that it’s a job requirement. Heck, that goes for the winners AND the losers. If you’re not arrogant, nobody will ever hire you as a head coach. And head coaches are supposed to think they know everything about the team, otherwise, they’d be unqualified to be the leader.
Charlie manuel not an arrogant jerk, dick vermeil not an arrogant jerk. Andy reid arrogant jerk, idiot, no superbowl
greenfan – I hear you. I really do. But please, since you’re looking at statistics here – and quote “the history of the NFL”…
Let’s use some wisdom from statistics (heck, I hate stats class and hate doing statistics myself – but I learned the main principles..) – “the history of the NFL” in terms of statistics, is a pretty short history. Is it even 100 years old?
And in that history, how many coaches are on a par with Reid and Cohwer in terms of length of tenure with one team? I don’t know the answer to that, but you’d be hard pressed to convince me that it makes a reasonable sample size. So Greenfan, your point is (at least statistically) pretty weak
Green – every thing you wrote is in fact correct – no arguments from me – if you caught the comments i transposed above – you have any thoughts on the other folks (Mangini, Peter King, Maycok stating Reid should be bright back?
Good points Jake. Those sure are exceptions, and I was wrong to be so extreme.
Here’s my examples – Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Jimmy Johnson (dallas), Belicheat, you think Lombardi wasn’t arrogant!?, Parcells, Bobby Knight…. the list goes on and on.
Jake – I thought I smelled something nasty – and there you are – take a shower and change your brithces for christ sake – boy, you could fuck up a wet dream – Dick vermeil not arrogant – ummmm – as usual WRONG. Dick Vermeil absolutley was arrogant – he absolutley did things HIS way – one of the famous quotes from the Radiers after the 80 Super Bowl (seriously were you even a itch in you daddy’s crotch in 1980 – I am betting your daddy wasn’t even out of high school in 1980 – tell me what year your old man graduated HS and if is before 1980 I will knock out an extra 25 push ups in my evening PT) – but anyway – the Raiders had a pact that they woudl not let the Eagles win becuase they did not want anyother coaches copying Vermiels brutal marathon practices –
Understand this – go look at fan websites for any of the teams that are not in the playoffs – and every bitch, moan, gripe, complaint you have abouyt Reid every other team has about there coach – I laugh when I read the sports section of the San Deigo UT – verbatim – arrogant, thinks he is so smart – won’t run, porr time management, won’t ever win a super bowl – all comments about Norv Turner………
ALL coaches ALL coaches, all levels, all of them, are going to be arrogant (Buddy Ryan was the most arrogant coach going – he showed up saying ‘you got a winner here now’ and proceeded to lose every playoff game going – how is Ryan (NYJ going)
Now I will tell you that I know the Harbaigh (San Fran) coach – he used to live in my town when he was HC at USD – great guy – extrememly pleasant – great t talk to -
@ schill- where does Jeff Fisher fall in your tentured coaches?
The fact is, rarely does a coach get 14 years to run a team without winning a championship.
Sorry that the sample length doesn’t meet with your standards, but WTF does that mean anyway?
greenfan – Dude, I’m not making up any standards. Any mathematician (which I am far from), teacher, scientist or researcher will tell you that you need a large enough statistical sample to infer any significant meaning from statistics of a population.
In this case the population we are discussing is NFL head coaches. I don’t know the total number of NFL head coaches to date, but increasing the pool you’re drawing the stats from from 2 to 3 will still leave your point about the whole population – NFL coaches – as pretty meaningless – not by my terms, but by the empirically accepted standards of REALITY
navy, stick to what you do best, what the hell that is I don’t necessarily know, but let me say this most definitively from your posts, again insulting in the most vile manner many good people who disagree with you about the worshipped praise you heap on Reid,
, it is not a sailor, a family man, an eagles fan, maybe a blow hard bully, and they always get what they deserve in the end
Schill- the total number of head coaches since 1920 is around 448…there have been 31 coaches that have coached for 14 or more years, although not necessarily with the same team…of those 31 coaches, only 6 have never won a championship or SuperBowl (Bud Grant, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy, Jim Mora, Marty Schottenhimer and Andy Reid)
You could take this in a couple different directions. I guess the vast majority of coaches will long tenture have one a championship (.806)..so Andy is due? On the other hand, since 1964 there has only been 1 coach that has taken longer than 13 years with the same team to win his first SB (Cowher), so those odds are not in his favor….I guess it is an illustration that you can spin stats to support a what ever opinion you want to believe.
Jakey poo – if I got what I desrved I would be back in Philly, and I would be out having some fun with the boys from back home (those are friends Jake – get out of the basement you may have them some day)
We will be chilling and some rodent in the table next to us – small pathetic creature – will be popping off at the mouth – the little rodent will continue to justbe that unpleasant, annoying little stain of life, it will be clear that even the people he showed up with don’t even like him, and then that little stain will say somthing bad about the eagles and one of the little stains group will say – hey jakedog – why don’t you STFU you are an idiot and you are scaring all the women away – and I will have noticed this – this name – and I will notice you slink off to say throw darts or shoot a rack of pool by yourself – and then – I will walk up next to you – and I will ask you – if you are really the jakey dog from GCOBB – and you will start to respond yes – then about half a second too late realize – holy shit – there is this freakin huge ugly ass dude standing next to me, he really looks kind of happy and pissed at the same time, and there is absolutely no place to run…. yes, Jake – in the end – that is what I deserve – but then hey – that would be the second person today that has expressed a storng desire to cimmit you bodily harm – you a dummer windbag – two freakin idiots that try to invent totally knew meanings to the word fan – and then with absolutely ZERO basis in reality – a comment like – worshipped praise – so that leads me to ask you a question – are you just a chronic liar, do you have no sense of honor or integrity – are you lazy or feeble minded you can not in fact acknowledge the accomplishments of this coach – are you such a liar that you have to make up falsehoods about my belief because you are too feeble minded to understand that NOT hating someone is not the same thing as ‘worshipping’ them – telling someone your logic is faulty is NOT the same thing as defending someone -
see jake – I will give you a free example of just how STUPID people are on this site – you ready – after the 2003 NFCC game where we lost to Carolina – the whining masses decided – Andy Reid doesn[t value wide recievers – remeber that – why – cause Andy said – I am happy with the wide rcvrs we have – people howled -the wide rcvrs that played in the carolina game – Thrash, Pinkston, G Lewis and F Mitchell – in 2004 every one goes – look Andy got it – he went and got Terrell Owens – if only he had done this sooner – look – we made it to the super bowl cuase Andy listened -
hey Jake – who were the wide rcvrs in the 2004 NFCC game against Atlanta – but do not EVER let facts get in the way of a good story – what was the difference in the teams record the year andy ‘valued WRs’ and the year before that? How about the number of TD passes – points scored – what was the ‘benefit’ of the mythical ‘valuing’ of the WR and what did terril owens bring to the team? Think about that while I print the response in a minute
Yeah ready jakey for your why fans are idiots lesson – in 2003 the eagles went 12-4 (same as 2002) and secured home field for playoffs – in 2004 the eagles went 13-3 and secured home field for playoffs – so becuase Reid ‘valued; the wide rcvr and we got terrel owens we won EXACTLY one more game -
but wait – in 2003 the eagles had roughly 5000 yards of offense – 2000 rushing and 3000 passing – and scored 40 tds – 17 passing and 23 rushing – failry balanced – in 2004 the eagles had roughly 5600 total yards of offense (600 more for the year – or roughly 50 extra yards a game becuase Andy ‘valued’ wide rcvrs now – and scored 42 touchdowns – so by Andy ‘valuing’ WRs and getting Terrel Owens – the eagles won one more game – scored 2 more TDs and gained 600 more yards – but here is the kicker Jackie – the yardage was 4000 via the air and 1600 on the ground and the TDs went to 32 passing and 10 rushing – in other words – for all you Andy doesn’t run crowd – BULLSHIT – Andy Reid WAS balanced prior to 2004 – it was 2004 that the ‘passing’ Andy showed up. So thatis what you gained by having Terrel Owens – and one only need to look at what Terrel owens did to this team the following year to realize – you really didn’t gain shit for having him here – other then the thrill of knowing Andy Reid now ‘valued’ the WR position
so see Jake – in a few paragraphs I got to destory the myth Andy has been here doing the same thing for 13 years (never running) – he didn’t sart becoming pass happy till the year Terrel owens arrived – and hell – it was his most succesful year – he got to the super bowl
I got to show you how stupid the comment is ‘he never valued wide rcvr’ when in fact he stated – I am happy with the rcvrs we have and we can win wtih the rcvrs we have – and you know what – he was right -
Jake – remember those wide rcvrs that sucked so bad in 2003 – Pinston – Mitchell, Lewis and thrash – well guess who the wide rcvrs were in the playoffs during the 2004 march to the super bowl – that’s right princess – Pinston, Mitchell and Lewis – Owens broke his ankle and didn’t play –
so here is what you got for andy ‘valuing’ the WR’ 1 more win, 2 more TDs – and the next season blown apart -
Green – thats some good shit – basically with Reid we are in uncharted territory with the exception of Cowher as a person to compare him to -
oh and jake – just to complete the computer bitch slap — that 4rth WR – thrash – from the 2003 team – traded him to the skins for a 5th rd draft pick – ended up becoming trent cole -
the only logical conclusion from navy’s four or so post rant is, by his own admisiion, he is a “huge ugly ass dude”, that might explain his love of Andy
Jakedog doesn’t undertand what logic means. Jakedog, if the Eagles had a superbowl under Andy Reid for every legitimate substantial post you’ve made on this site, other than childish jokes, well… ok, nothing would be different.
Trent Cole is not an Elite NFL DE.. He is not an Elite player, never has been in my book.. He fades every season.. You can set your Calender by it, as soon as the leaves fall, and the start of Hunting Season he disappears.. He has become nothing more than a rotational Pass-Rusher who if he played 20-30 snaps a game (instead of 50-60) he would have the same production… He’s is not a leader and has been a huge disappointment in my opinion.
And I don’t want to hear this carp of getting double-teamed… The Best DL on the Eagles this Season is Cullen Jenkins without a doubt .
yes jake – 2 things – 1 from here forward you will now be known as cherry boy – respond when summoned – and 2) yes – I am a huge ugly ass dude – unfotunatley for my sister – so is she —
I think Trent Cole is on that brink of GREAT DE and ELITE DE. He is consistently leading or in the top tier of the league when it comes to tackles for loss — so I don’t know who you are watching out there Paulman. Although you are right about him fading out towards the end of the season, lets see how it goes since we have more help on the line THIS year.
This is what I know about Trent Cole. 7 career playoff games = 1.5 sacks. That is coming up small. Sometimes he is really dominant and then when they really need him to make plays, he doesn’t. I will grant you that he is a more complete DE then some others, because he does play the run, so well, but I don’t think that he is close to elite. That is Peppers, Ware, Jared Allen.
Thats funny, I thought Ware was a OLB.
Cole has been doubled in every playoff game hes been in. Sorta takes away your effectiveness. Scouts around the league would call him elite.He’s looked great this year with a serious player on the other end.
Wasted Pro-Bowl years by the following players…Thanks Walrus
Peters-dominant/dont see a better LT in the NFC/quick as a cat and mauls defenders…love usign the word maul when it comes to football
Herramans-dominant/versatile/watch his technique…could be a P.B. at both grd and tackle…love him at tackle for next 5 years easy…least the line is not such a question mark
Mccoy-best allaround back in football
Jenkins(on the fringe)
Nmandi(on the fringe had it not been for Cheechs inability to let him be a bump and run guy all year)has been gotten by Cruz but come on…Revis gives up catchs…had locked down some pretty good wides this year…still wondering why he was laced up and not used Sunday..pathetic
To Birdo,
Check NFL Stats,
There are plenty of with more Tackles, More Sacks and Tackles for Losses that Tent Cole.. I am getting tired of the Team,the Local media and fans promoting T Cole as an elite player when he clearly is not..
Coles Stats line is 25 total Tackles – 5 Sacks – 39 lost yards
Here are Top 10 for comparison sake..
#1) J Allen – Vikings 48 Tackles 13.5 sacks 100 Lost Yards
#2) D Ware – Cowboys 39 Tackes 14 Sacks 84 Lost Yards
#3) T Suggs – Ravens 49 Tackles 9 Sacks 71 Lost yards
#4) L Woodley- Steelers 36 Tackles 9 Sacks 69 Lost Yards
***#5) V Miller – Broncos – 57 Tackles 10.5 Sacks 69 Yards Loss
#6) D Freeney – Colts 15 Tackles 5.5 Sacks 66 Yards Loss
#7) J P Paul – Giants 50 Tackles 10.5 Sacks 66 Yards Lost
#8) A Carter – NE Pats 45 Tackles 9 Sacks 65 Yards lost
#9) C Long – Rams 25 Tackles 10 Sacks 64 Yards lost
#10) C Avril – Lions 24 Tackles 7 Sacks 64 Yards Lost
#11) Clemons – Seahawks 30 Tackles 8 Sacks 60 Yards lost
***#12) A Smith – 49ers 20 Tackles 7.5 Sacks 59 Yards lost
#13) C Barwin – Texans 34 Tackles 8.5 Sacks 57 Yards lost
#14) K Wimbley – Raiders 45 Tackles 7 Sacks 54 Yards lost
#15) J Peppers – Bears 27 Tackles 8 Sacks 52 Yards lost
#16) O Umenyura – Giants 23 Tackles 7 Sacks 52 Yards lost
#17) J Babin – Eagles 29 Tackles 10 Sacks 51 Yards lost
#18) T Hali – KC Chiefs 44 Tackles 7 Sacks 50 Yards lost
#19) C Johnson – Panthers 31 Tackles 7.5 Sacks 50 Yards lost
#20) W Smith – Saints 25 Tackles 5.5 Sacks 49 Yards lost
#21) M Anderson – Pats 17 Tackles 7 Sacks 49 Yards lost
***#22) J Sheard – Browns 35 Tackles 4.5 Sacks 47 Yards lost
#23) E Dumervil – Bronco s 20 Tackles 5.5 Sacks 43 Yards lost
***#24) R Kerrigan – Redksins 49 Tackles 6.5 Sacks 43 Yards lost
#25) A Okoye – Bears 18 Tackles 4 Sacks 42 YArds lost
#26) Van Boshman – Lions 26 Tackles 6 Sacks 41 Yards lsot
#27) B Robison – Vikings 26 Tackles 5.5 Sacks 40 yards lost
***#28) JJ Watt – Texans 39 Tackles 4.5 Sacks 40 yards lost
Not to be an ass, but when you say that Trent Cole is among league leaders for tackles for loss yardage, you are incorrect..
Again Coles has 25 Tackles 5.5 Sacks and 39 lost yards
Here are some more DL with more Tackles than COle
C Campbell – Cardinals 55 Tackles and 5 Sacks
B Orapko – Redskins 43 Tackles and 6 Sacks
***S Acho – Cardinals 26 Tackles and 5 Sacks
J Hall – Rams 37 Tackles and 4 Sacks
***B Reed – Texans 31 Tackles and 6 Sacks
R Mathis – Colts 28 Tackles and 5.5 Sacks
C Wake – Dolphins 26 Tackles and 6.5 Sacks
The **** denotes a Rookie/1st Year player in the NFL which again only proves to me how inept GM Roseman/Coach AR are when is comes for Drafting …..
The 2010 Draft was loaded and known for its depth with excellent O/Lineman and OT in particular and instead the Eagles reach and trade up for DE Brandon Graham…
The 2011 Draft was known for it’s excellent depth in Defensive Lineman and the Eagles Draft 26 Year Old Guard for the O/L ….
This misfire and poor evaulation of talent is in a nutshell what is wrong with the Philadelphia Eagles and why they will never win a Super Bowl Championship with the current Regime .. You need Smart Football People who know how to evaluate talent and how it best improves your team in positoins of need.. If a Draft is very Deep in let’s say the OL, then even selecting one in the 2nd Round may mean you got a good one.. as is the opposite is true.. Last year was known for a very weak Draft for the Safety Position, so what do the Eagles do, they spend their 2nd Round Pick (55th Overall) for Safety J Jarrett who not listed in anyone’s Top 125th List of availalbe players… Does anyone see the pattern, here… Eagles need to hire them a real GM and quick… I have to get some fresh air …
and yes Birdo,
You will see “OLB” s on this list who really become outside Pass rushers from the 3-4 Alignment in passing situations (Ware,Suggs,Woodley,Kerrigen) etc,etc)
But in reality, these “OLB” become “DE” on passing downs where most these Stats are most likely generated…