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The Future Of Andy Reid – Does It Lay In Michael Vick’s Performance?

With Michael Vick likely to return to the starting lineup this Sunday in Miami, will it matter in the grand scheme of Andy Reid’s future with the Eagles?  Sure, as Eagles fans, we’re probably all elated that Vick is returning after seeing the abomination of a NFL quarterback in Vince Young the last three weeks.  Vick hasn’t really had a great season, but he’s the best quarterback on the team, so we may have a shot to win Sunday.  The Dolphins have been coming on strong as of late, so this game won’t be a pushover come Sunday afternoon in Miami.  But will Vick be able to take his game to the max, and if he does, will that save Reid’s job for next season?

The Eagles starting quarterback hasn’t played well in a calendar year, as his last good game was last December against the New York Giants during the Miracle in the Meadowlands II game.  Since then, he’s 3-9 as a starter and $80 million richer.  We all could point to the Eagles and say that was a bad investment because Vick’s play has digressed since then.  But now we point to Vick, because the future Reid’s tenure in Philadelphia hangs in the balance and Vick could be the one guy who determines what Joe Banner and Jeffrey Lurie do this off-season regarding their winningest coach in franchise history.  Will Vick be able to finish the season strong and change the minds of the fans to keep Andy Reid in Philadelphia?

Let’s look at it this way.  I don’t believe anything Vick does will matter in the long run.  I think Vick will be our quarterback for the next few years, barring some miracle that lands the Eagles Andrew Luck (Stanford) or Matt Barkley (USC).  So it’s up to Banner and co. if they want to start anew with a head coach who may or may not like Vick’s game.  It seems like the Eagles will be stuck with Vick and that contract and won’t be able to move him.  Stranger things have happened, however.  I also think Reid isn’t going anywhere after this season.  So Michael Vick could win the next four games in a row, win two of them, or lose all four, but it won’t mean drastic changes from this franchise.

It’ll be interesting to see how the off-season plays out and next year to see if the lockout really had a huge effect on this team.  Reid tends to get the best out of his players, offensive and defensive.  So players like DeSean Jackson, and almost everyone on the defense seemingly doesn’t have that desire that us Eagles fans are so used to seeing from players under Andy Reid.  The players may say Reid’s a great coach and it’s their fault for the team’s failures, but when are we, as smart fans, going to blame everyone and not just the coach?

Personally, I think Reid will return to the team next season regardless of how this season ends.  I believe that no matter what happens next season, it will be Reid’s last season in Philadelphia.  It just makes sense.  The Eagles could go on and win the Super Bowl after 14 years under Reid, and that could be enough for him.  It could be enough for the Banner and Lurie.  And if he fails, it’s the end of the line.  There’s a built-in excuse for this season regarding the NFL lockout and even though every team had to deal with the lockout, the Eagles seem to be talking a lot about it regarding their terrible season thus far.  Because of that, I feel the Eagles management will give Reid one more year to take this team to the next level.  It’s up to Big Red now.

Nick Camillo Piccone

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vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 8, 2011 9:29 am

Yes.

Also, Mike Vick’s future depends on Mike Vick’s performance. And the future looks bleak.

After he gets cut in 2012, I’m putting the over under on years till we see the inevitable “Mike Vick is bankrupt again” news report at 5.5 years.

BTW – Haven’t we read this article 3x over the last 2 days.

jakedog
jakedog
December 8, 2011 9:41 am

Nick, why don’t you have the guts to write the truth, the quarterback “hasn’t really had a great season”, euphemistic bull, the quarterback’s play is bottom third of all quarterbacks, he averages over two turnovers a game, vinnie can finish the laundry list of his poor play, but damn, say it as it is

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 10:40 am

I believe we have, just check out the 2012 Schedule

4 Games versus the NFC South (Saints,Falcons,PAnthers,Bucs)
4 Games vsrsus the AFC North (Steelens,Ravens,Bengals,Browns)
6 Yearly Games versus the NFC East teams
2 Games vs NFC North (Bears or Vikings) and NFC West (Cardinals or Rams)

I See a 6-10 or maybe 7-9 Season

Eagles will lose to Saints,Falcons, Panthers, Steelers,Ravens, Bengals and should beat the TB Bucs and Cleveland Browns and most likely split their NFC East games and maybe beat the Rams..

Does anyone see VIck lasting a game playing against the Steelers,RAvens and Bengals Defense.. Can the Eagles Defense Stop the Saints,Falcons,Panthers.. Future does not look as bright with this club and this is where the poor to average Draft Classes the last 2-3 Season catches up with a Team..

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 10:44 am

I agree Jake,
The single biggest reason the Eagles are 4-8 and home for the Holidays is the overall poor play from QB Position and yes, that mean’s mostly Mike Vick and VY when he’s plyed..Even with all the issues on Defense, the Coaching, play-calls, etc,etc.. Vick as the leader and face of the Franchise was supposed to rise above it all and play better and he has not, plain and simple… The Eagles will only go as far as QB Vick can take them and right now, it’s not looking too good.. A huge mistake giving him that large Contract after a great 5-6 Game stretch from last Season in Oct/Nov..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 8, 2011 11:00 am

Paulman..wrong.

single biggest reason?

Do the Math – 4 4th quarter leads squandered by the fefense …one of those leads we were up by 21. quarterback?

If we just hold on to the leads that’s a 4 game swing.

Andy and Juan decided to have garbage Matthews call the defense from MLB position for the first quarter of the season. Remember?

Yes, the quarterback play have been down this year but the one biggest reason this team sucks is Andy’s choice to promote Juan Castillo to defensive coordinator.and the personnel refusing to address the linebacker and safety positions.

Teams are actually attacking the the linebackers and safeties every game knowing it’s the weakness of the team.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 8, 2011 11:06 am

Juan Castillo is the damn defensive coordinator and this guy say the QB is the biggest reason ffor the losing record.

Paulman..guess what,,,,You would gain 100 yards running to the right on trap plays all day if they put you as running backs against our defense.

The play works religiously against this defense and everyone know it but…they can’t stop it.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 8, 2011 11:20 am

So good! What a ruse!

I mean, I really have to applaud Mike Vick. It’s often that we see a player doing really well in a contract year, getting rewarded, then falling back to his averages, but Mike VIck was the absolute maestro at this. Take a look at how he’s “ranked” among QBs throughout his career….

Quarterback rating
2002 18th
2003 – hurt – only played 4 gms
2004 21st
2005 25th
2006 20th
1010 4th
2011 20th
Well well, right back to his career averages, that’s a surprise.

Completion percentage
2002 25th
2004 27th
2005 29th
2006 20th
2010 10th
2011 16th
Wow! He has improved! All the way up to Mediocre! Congrats Mike!

Interceptions (better to have a low rank)
2002 33rd (barely threw the ball)
2004 15th
2005 8th
2006 13th
2010 34th…boom out of the blue he’s best in the league….
2011 10th….and right back to his average again….and he’d be a lot higher if he hadn’t missed 3.5 games….maybe top 5 at the rate he’s going!

Yrds per game
2002 19
2004 31
2005 28
2006 28
2010 9
2011 15
Another drop off, though not as precipitous. Hourray! Mediocre again!

How can anyone be surprised that this is the season we’re seeing from MV??He is what he is…in fact, by his standards, he’s having an above average MV season. Compared to his own career, this might be the SECOND BEST SEASON he’s ever had! Good grief.

We knew this before. We know this now. We know this will be. (feel I need to add an Amen)

Hopefully in 4 1/2 months I will hear the beautiful words….

“And with the 10th pick in the 2012 draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select ___________________ quarterback from ________________________”

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 11:43 am

I woke up pleasantly optimistic today – so lets look at the positives shall we – how about those rookie kickers – not bad at all – sure – punter needs to work on his passing a bit more, kicker needs a few more touchbacks – no problems with the long snapper at all – how about the LS for a potantial pro powl bid?

Colt Anderson – how does he NOT get looked at as the Pro Bowl special teamer –

Songs – quit being so hard on Castillo – I am sure I can go back and find four semi-improtant Philadelphia Eagle playoff games against great team where the Eagles actually had the lead and ‘squandered’ it with you hero’s JJ and Dawk in the line-up – I mean really – what are you going to do – take the guys Christmas away –

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
December 8, 2011 11:44 am

I don’t know why you morons give VinnietheVictor the time of day — an idiot from Canada knows nothing about American Football.

Colt Anderson should definitely make the pro bowl.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
December 8, 2011 11:51 am

Colt all the way. Dude is like a missile out there every play.

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 12:07 pm

Again I will emphazie that we all knew the Eagles Defense was going to be a work in progress for this Season and that the Eagle Offense would have to carry this team and especially early on in the season
The Eagles Offense is ranked #3 Overall (in Total Yardage) only behind the Saints and Patriots,but here lies the biggest problem and culprit of this 2011 Eagles Team for being 4-8 after 12 games
The Saints average 33 Pts a game while the Patritos average 30 Pts a game
The Eagles Rank 16th in Scoring and average 23 Points per Game..

On Defense, The Eagles average giving up 23.5 points per Game..
The Eagles offense is not closing the deal and horrible in the Red-Zone where the Play-calling has been suspect, the execution poor and decision making by QB Vick/VY not very good either..

Since most of know the Eagles Defense would be in transition this year with all these new players, new schemes, new coaches, The Eagles Offense needed to carry this Team and they have failed to do so and have actually created more pressure on this Eagle Defense by Turning the Ball over more than any team in the NFL and by settling for 3 points FG’s instead of TD”s..If EAgles Offense with Veteran Leadership and many returning players was productive and scoring at a clip like the other Top Offenses in the NFL Are, the Eagles would hgave a WInning Record and be in good postion to make te Playoffs agani even with this shaky Defense.. The Offense has let this Season go doep in the tank in my opinion and Vick is the leader of the Offense just like Coach AR is te leader of the Team.. They have all underperformed and to simply blame Castillo and the Eagle Defense is not a true reflection of where things went wrong.. Songs, Why do you feel compelled to protect Vick all the time.. it’s as if no one can say a critical or negative thing about him anymore.. I will continue to call them as I see them..

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 12:24 pm

Colt Anderson is out for the Season, How does a player make the Pro-Bowl only playing 3/4 of the Season and would not be able to participate in the game. C’mon guys stop being homers for one of the worst Teams in the NFL..

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
December 8, 2011 12:37 pm

Sorry Paulman, it’s called being a fan.

And yes, Colt at least deserves mention that he was voted in but will be unable to play due to injury. He’s a fantastic bright spot on this team.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 12:37 pm

Colt is out for the season – Damn – I didn’t know. I am disappointed I started the ‘let’s get Colt to the Pro Bowl’ campiagn not knowing that – now I just look really early to the party next year – who replaced him on the roster – is this the spot we can use for McNabb’s comeback?

(and Pman – I am sure you got this – my whole original post was sarcasm – its pretty bad when you have to mention 4 special teamers (2 rookies!) as the ‘optimism’)

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 12:52 pm

I kniow Navy and are busting chops
Safety Tom Nelson replaces Colt on the Roster, He’s a 3 year player from Southern Illinois who went undrafted and has bounced around a couple of teams (mostly practice squad material) but is a very hard worker from what I hear..
I like Colt and he does deserve some recognition for his play on Special Teams COverage teams which have been excellent this Season, The Eagle Return teams have sucked since D-Jax is a puss and won’t return a ball if there is a defense within 15 yards of him… Then when he does decide to run, he goes backwards and either loses 10-15 yards or the ball entirely..Someone end that D-JAx’s misery and ship his ass out of Philly before it’s too late

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 8, 2011 1:20 pm

Paulman…criticism with Vick play this year is fine….can not be defended…but don’t make a claim that the QB play is the “#1” reason this team sucks. That is flat out not true….The QB play is on the list but not #1.

Juan Castillo as defensive coordinator is by far the greatest reason this team sucks and even with the bad QB play …if we have a guy over our defense that had a clue the Eagles would at least be in the playoff hunt right now.

I remember the Atlanta game when Vick left the game injured and our team had the lead.

We all knew that they would come back and win against that defense didn’t we?

Juan Castillo and Andy are the reason our record sucks.

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 1:47 pm

We beg to differ Songs,
This team was built and is Coach AR’s philosophy is to simply outscore the other teams as he has stated so many times.. This Eagles Offense,QB play and Play-Calling has been way too inconsistent and really sucks in the Red-Zone to score many points and come away with TD’s ..Therefore, the entire Defensive Philosophy gets tossed out the window..
Re Falcon Game, Eagles having a 7-10 Point lead in a back and forth game with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd period is not what I would call a big lead or a big deficit for either team to overcome.. Eagles got too conservative offensively in the 4th Quarter with QB Kafka and the Eales Defense sucked down the stretch too just like the games vers the 49ers but Eagles lack of Offense and turnovers created the losses with the BIlls Cardinals,Seahawks and soon to be Dolphins, this has been a total Team losing Season, but coming in, there was more emphasis of the Offense having to carry this squad and they failed to do so, again, most of us knew this Defense was going to be ugly.. (at least I did)..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 8, 2011 2:32 pm

Paulman…outscoring the other team is every team goal. What the hell you’re talking about Andy Reid’s philosophy is to flat out “outscore” the opponent? Isn’t that how a team get “W’s”? outscoring the opponent?

There’s another facet you’re forgetting.

To outscore the other team you must stop them from scoring more than you.

Forget that part?

50% offense 50% defense. Get it?

If the team is holding a lead going into the 4th quarter, the defense must now step up and seal it.

This defense was not as bad under McDermott, and you would have assumed upgrading the right corner with a top shutdown corner that this defense would have improved…not struggle.

the struggle came from Andy promoting a failed offensive line coach to put this thing together with a new wide 9 under Washburn without having linebackers to play the scheme.

This was a self inflicted struggle that didn’t have to be..and don’t think that don’t play on the offensive side of the ball knowing they must press to score, because the defense can’t stop anyone.

Andy’s decision to promote Juan Castillo as the defensive coordinator is by far the biggest problem with this team and the reason we blew “a record setting 4 4th quarter leads” and is now sitting at 4-8.

If Vick play a good game against Miami and the defense can’t stop them…it will surprise no one if we lose there too.

the game is offense and defense. Not one do real good while the othe sucks. The defense have to be at least respectable to compliment a good offense.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
December 8, 2011 2:47 pm

Yes, Songs! (applause) (applause)

jakedog
jakedog
December 8, 2011 2:48 pm

songs, the point is if vick played even average this team even with this joke of a coordinator, wretched linebackers, etc. would still be in the hunt, with that big contract, the investment the eagles and the fans made in vick, he has come up awfully small, he needed to play better with all the question marks on d and he hasn’t, like the head coach, the quarterback takes the hit, sorry about that

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
December 8, 2011 3:14 pm

@JakeMut – LMAO – the point is, if the defense played better this team would not be 4-8…see how I can spin it too…

This article was dumb anyway! Can Vick blow the DE, throw the ball and catch it hisself? thats how stupid this article is to begin with…football is a team sport the last time I checked! Also, if you want to point out the facts, which I think a good write should do, the last good game Vick played was against the Cowboys, this year…yea I know one good game out of 9 isn’t what I expected, but as a writer, give the facts a bit better

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 3:30 pm

Songs,
I don’t disagree with you about Goods Teams needing to have a strong defense, but there is no doubt in my mind nor probably yours (if your honest) that Coach AR just simply doesn’t Value the Defensive side of the Ball as much as he does with the Offensive Side. I know that, you know that, we all know that .. So this is what I mean about the Eagles Offense needing to be a high-scoring Team to make up for a relatively weak Defense.. If you really think that Coach AR believes his team is and equal 50% Offense and 50 % Defense, then you my friend will need an Coach AR Intervention…

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 3:37 pm

and since we know this already about Coach Ar and his Philosophy, it was imperative that the Eagles Offense be prorductive right out of the gate and bottom line, they and QB Vick in particular, stuggled with poor Red-Zone Play, Turnovers, Drop Passes, Poor play calling,Poor Passes, etc,etc,…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 8, 2011 4:08 pm

Interesting.

Here’s a list of teams who have all given up more ponts than the Birds

NYG, Buff, Oak, Denver….Here are some teams within 13 pts given up of the Birds….New Orleans, Detroit…GB has given up a whopping 262, not far behind our 282. GB gives less than 2 points a game more than the Birds. They’re D gave up a late TD to the Giants last week. Did that matter?

Funny that with all those points given up they have winning records….perhaps because they don’t have QBs who enjoy giving the ball to the other team on a consistent basis.

OK songs. So tell me this, Mr. Vick Apologist. Say the D gets fixed Houston Texans style next year. And we still roll out the 20th ranked turnover machine at QB. You thhink the Birds are going to win?

Survey says…………………………………..wait for it………………………..X

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 4:19 pm

I for one am appalled at the lack of civility on here today – can’t we just all get alnog!

Cracked myself up writing that –

I love how people can take the greatest team sport ever, and see which individual they can blame things on – GO EAGLES!

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 4:24 pm

Anyone hear/read the B Westbrook interview comments – 2 key comments from him:

Reid is the right coach to turn the eagles around and

Djax and eagles will work out a contract –

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 4:54 pm

Didn’t Westbrook also state that Tex Gov Rick Perry would be the Republican Nominee for POTUS..

tonto5
tonto5
December 8, 2011 5:10 pm

Defense would be better in 4th quarter if not so tired from…….u guessed it…..lack of running game/too many 3 and outs( reminds u of mcnabb years) the offense can still score more points too in the 4th…..if D doesn’t hold it cause Juan is Coord. or tired from Reid philosophy the Offense can score too.

tonto5
tonto5
December 8, 2011 5:13 pm

Realtalk, football is a team sport, but QB position is most important position in all of sports, ask Steve Young…

tonto5
tonto5
December 8, 2011 5:21 pm

Songs wants Vick to prove Limbaugh wrong

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 6:08 pm

I think we need to replace the strength and conditioning coach – wasn’t this one hired because Asante Samuel liked to use him for workouts?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 8, 2011 6:28 pm

question Paulman.

If Andy’s offense is can score and give the team a 21 point lead…is that enough cushion for the defense?

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 6:46 pm

Well see Songs the better ‘football pedigree’ question is this – If the EAGLES (cause you know the D and the Special teams are allowed to score also!) can get a21 point lead, can the EAGLES still win the game –

And the answer is – that depends –

1) can the D prevent the other team from scoring
2) can the special teams prevent the other team from scoring
3) Can the offense NOT turn the ball over allowing the other teams D to score (or have a very short field)

But I am willing to bet a weeks paycheck that if the answer to 1 2 and 3 is yes – then it is enough

too simple – OK – the real answer – it depends – can the Offense run a few 10 play drives that chew up 5/6 minutes. Can the offense not have 3 and outs (with all three being incomplete passes). Can the offense not get pushed back and lose field position. Can the offense NOT turn the ball over. Can the special teams prevent big plays. And more importantly – do the cheerleaders still look as good in the 4rth qtr as they did in the first…

TEAM game – everyone needs to do his part – players coaches – all need to get it done – if the D gives up 21 can the O come back – I sure as hell hope so, if the O scores 21 do I hope the D holds the team to less then 21 – sure as hell hope so – does the O count on the D and the D count on the O – the Ravens won a SUperbowl by giving the QB a simple instruction – DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER – punt and play D

paulman
paulman
December 8, 2011 6:54 pm

No doubt Songs the Defense has squandered leads and games this Season
The Question I have for you, shouldn’t the Eagles (with Offense Guru’s as coaches) and Vick, D-Jax,McCoy and all these other weapons and talented plays I always read about be able to score more that 22 points a game..
Since this crappy Defensive with no real D/C or leadership in general is giveing up 23 points a game, How good would the Eagles Record be if they put another 7 points on the board a game or if they stopped coughing up the ball and leading the NFL in turnovers… This is the root problem of this 2011 Season in my opinion.. It’s a TD, scoring league anymore and the Eagles proved they can move the ball between the 20’s (ranked 3rd in NFL in total yardage) but the can’t score TD’s and thats the fault of the Coaches and Offensive players in my opinion…

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 8, 2011 7:07 pm

okm Paulman ..I concede. Let’s keep Juan as coordinator because it really don’t make a difference.

as long as the QB does his job and there’s no turnovers we’ll probably win the superbowl. Tackling, hitting people, and actually stopping the other team from getting more points than you really is a mute point.

As long as the offense does what it supposed to do.

Yeah …you right. It’s Vick.

I concede

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
December 8, 2011 8:05 pm

Hey Songs – New Orleans and Indy played in a SB with that mentality – and the NE Patriots and GReen Bay Packers aren’t exactly the Ravens and Steelers

jakedog
jakedog
December 8, 2011 8:30 pm

songs, give it up, paulman is right on this one, castillo is a huge mistake, but you have to look at the numbers, vick is bottom third qb this season, although defense gave up leads, vick had the opportunity in at least three games,,maybe 4, to win the games, again, this team is built to score, and it hasn’t, reid will take the fall, which is what you want, and it is largely because of the play of the quarterback, that’s the truth. the pundits can’t say it, but we can because we won’t lose our jobs for speaking the truth

atra1781
December 8, 2011 9:15 pm

Lets face the truth….

Castillo is terrible and Vick has regressed back to “Atlanta Vick”

They signed Vick to fill the seats and to be just good enough.

The offensive line played a role in the beginning and the defense has played terrible.

Jackson should have been signed prior to the start and he would have played hard.

They completely changed the teams culture and burned bridges signing Asoshmugha and a completely different coaching with Mudd etc…

Lurie will promote Reid to Gm and they will hire some young head and continue to meddle in mediocrity…..

paulman
paulman
December 11, 2011 12:05 pm

Here’s the bottom line for moving forward
Watch these next 4 Games with Vick at th eHelm and let’s see how he and th eOffense in general play.. Vick should get approx 250 SNaps with at least 130-150 Pass Attempts.. Let’s see how his reads,reacts and gets rid of the ball to sustain drives.. These next 4 games will determine the future path of Vick and this Eagle Team in my opinion..Coach Ar is coming back for 2012 for all intents and purspoes, This Eagles offence is supposed to fit VIck’s skils perfectly, let’s see some execution and some damn TD’s.. I truly believe that is the Eagles Offense was scoring close to 30 Points a Gam (like they should with all this Talent and Weapons) then they would be in th ePLay-off Hunt and probably even leading the weak NFC East and we would be hearing a lot less about DC Castillo who clearly is out of his league being a Coorfdiantor.. I still contend that this experienced Offensive group led by Vick & D-Jax are the main Reason the Ealges are 4-8 and out of contention.. We all knew the Defense was going to be a huge question ??? this season and would be middle of the road at best.. (which they are actually worse than middle of the rod) , but this Eagle Offense has failed them earlier in the Season when it counted.. Dcoring 0 Points in 2nd Half versuis the 49ers, and Redksins, Scoring 0 Points in the decisive 4th Quarters on huge NFC Divisional game versus the Falcons & Bears.. and then to add insult to injury only scored 17 Points versus the Cardinals and only 14 Points versus the Seahawks.. I think in a nushell when a team like the Eagles go 1-3 Versus the NFC West ,then you don’t deserve to be in the Playoffs …

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 11, 2011 1:07 pm

he started out with a beautiful 1st pass

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 11, 2011 1:17 pm

There’s the most damning statement of VIck (and offence) yet.

When faced with the choice of 4th and 3, or 3rd and 13, Miami coaches chose the 3rd and 13. Giving Vick another chance. I mean they basically just screamed, “why not – he’s not going to get it!”

This is what other NFL coaches think about the guy (and our O).

daggolden
daggolden
December 11, 2011 1:24 pm

Vinnie post something about the defense or Maclins alligator arms. The Vick bashing is old.There is plenty of bashing to go around.

daggolden
daggolden
December 11, 2011 1:26 pm

Talk about the PATHETIC defense.

daggolden
daggolden
December 11, 2011 1:34 pm

Keep throwing the ball Marty you idiot.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 11, 2011 1:37 pm

i’d like t see how far you’d stretch out your arms on one of those suicide balls.

This Miami team is rushing 6, 7, even 8 guys forward on every single play. Why. Well…pretty obvious what they think of our Qbs ability to deal with it.

daggolden
daggolden
December 11, 2011 1:39 pm

Ahhhh Maclin gets a pass but DJax doesnt. Gotcha

daggolden
daggolden
December 11, 2011 1:42 pm

Its obvious since the whole team SUCKS. This isnt a player issue. This is a coaching issue. This is a wrong scheme issue. All these players didnt just become bad over night.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 11, 2011 1:49 pm

and what exactly is PATHETIC (your word) about the D today?

Miami is 1 for 3 on drives, 2 of which started in Philly territory., one on the 11. Pretty good day so far…

I said the exact same thing about Desean as I did about Maclin. Young was tossing balls that get WRs killed. I can see why Desean was ducking, but he’s still a punk.

ANd look at this…for this one drive Vick actually looks like a QB that can beat a blitz. But it won;t last.

Rasheed1
Rasheed1
December 11, 2011 1:49 pm

Songs is right… its a TEAM game. I dont believe Eagle fans cannot be DUMB enough to put the blame on the QB again.. Didnt we already have this conversation when it was McNabb’s fault? Anybody who blames anyone other than ANDY REID just simply doesnt get it… Vick played fine last year, so did Jackson, so did Nnamdi, so did Asante, so did maclin..

they didnt all fall off at the same time along with the defense…

Ive already seen enough of this team against the dolphins.. They simply dont look prepared… The O line doesnt look prepared, Vick is slipping all over the field… Penalties and the same mistakes… poor tackling.. the play calling is as awful as ever…

the entire team is pathetic and it starts at the top..

ANDY REID IS THE CULPRIT….

paulman
paulman
December 11, 2011 2:00 pm

Let’s see if the Eagles Defense can hold the Dolphins deep in their zone 2nd & 17 from the 13 yard line..Momentum is switching back to the Eagles