The Philadelphia Eagles played a meaningless game this past Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys in Dallas, which they won 20-7. The Eagles found out early that their playoff hopes came to an end after the New York Giants beat the New York Jets 29-14 earlier in the day.
The team did show some signs of life by playing hard and with desire. Even though the game meant nothing the team did play for its head coach. Was it too little to late or did the team actually save the head coaches job?
There are a lot of rumors out there that the St. Louis Rams are going to fire their current head coach, Steve Spagnuolo. What does this have to do with Andy Reid and the Philadelphia Eagles. Well Spagnuolo was a part of Andy Reid’s coaching staff here with the Eagles.
In 2007 Spagnuolo became the defensive coordinator of the New York Giants. He help guide the Giants to victory over the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl. This past season has been a very disappointing year for the Eagles after such high expectations. The defense was one of the biggest problems with this team this year.
Andy Reid hired former team offensive line coach Juan Castillo which created a big issue amongest Philadelphia Eagles fans this season. The defense looked like at times it had no idea what was going on and were out of position on numerous occasions. Please, Philadelphia Eagles and Andy Reid don’t take the last few performances of the defense as a sign of the defense coming together.
Andy Reid needs to do the right thing here, for making a bad decision to begin with in hiring Juan as his defensive coordinator. Juan was not the most qualified here. Andy can make it some what better by hiring Steve Spagnuolo when he becomes available.
Steve has the pedigree here. He has guided a team to a Super Bowl as a defensive coordinator. Andy needs to put the ego aside here and just admit he made a mistake and fix the mistake by bringing Spagnuolo back.
Here is another thing that Andy might want to think about as well. He has been head coach of the Eagles for 13 years. He just seems to not be able to get the team over the hump. Well Jon Gruden is telling folks that he wants to be a head coach in 2012 in the NFL.
Andy do the right thing here. Step down as head coach and you can stay on as General Manager. In today’s NFL you can not be head coach and general manager at the same time. It does not work. Hire Jon Gruden as your head coach and you remain on as the GM.
Put the ego aside Andy. Do this for the good of the team and the organization. If you are totally serious about the Eagles winning the super bowl than you will do this for the good of the team.
Andy Reid most likely will not do either one of these things but he needs to truly think about it. He truely should get an experienced defensive coordinator who does have a proven resume. Spagnuolo has been with Reid before, so it will not be a stranger coming to the Eagles coaching staff.
Other rumors out there have both Reid and Castillo coming back with the team in 2012.
That would be a mistake and Andy Reid needs to seriously think about that. Andy don’t be fooled by your defenses few good games in the last few weeks. When you have a opportunity to get a coach like Spagnuolo you need to go get him. I am asking too much if Andy did the total right thing and that is to hire Gruden as his new head coach and
Spagnuolo as his defensive coordinator. Stay Andy as the general manager. You have done a great job with the team in your 13 years as head coach but you really have to realize that maybe you just can not get this team over the hump. It is no longer about this team being competitive, it is about winning super bowls. That is what you and the ownership has been telling us fans for years.
Well if that is the cast than Andy Reid you need to do the right thing here for the Philadelphia Eagles and the Philadelphia Eagles fans.
It is time to win a super bowl here in Philadelphia. Do the right thing step down as the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.
And while doing the right thing, how about letting spags to hire his own staff? Like the line coach!
Amen. I’m not sold on gruden but juan, pack your bags.
All over the board with this one George…
Here’s a couple of items to think about
#1) If Spags gets fired as rumored, he will get a nice “Severance Buyout Package” from the Rams which will probably preclude him taking another job in 2012 unless he wants to waive that Severance Package.
#2) Even if Spags would become a Free-agent and allowed to Coach in 2012, Why would he want to go backwards to become a D/Coordinator again.. just to appease Eagle fans or help out an old friend..
#3) Even if you scenario works and Spags becomes the D/C in 2012, then does DL Washburn get let go, Spags runs a completely differnent Scheme and blitzes from a multitude of positions… Washburn is a Wide-9 Proponted which is designed for the DL to do one thing and one thing only and that’s to get to the QB… How does SPags background and experience fit with this..
Now onto Coach AR and Gruden
Why would a succesful,experienced Coach like Gruden want to become HC of the Eagles and have AR hanging over him as the GM.. If Coach AR goes, then he must go completely and have nothing to do with the organization, it would be very awkward and unfair to any New HC to have the Shadow from AR casting from his GM’s Office , a very naive idea that would never work.
Eagles Coaching Staff are all signed thru 2012 and Coach Ar is sgined thru 2013// They all wil be back in 2012 to build on what they finished at the end of season.. Coach AR and the rest of the NFL know that it’s do or die for Cacoh Ar in 2012, he musy not only make ot to the playoffs, but he mus advance far and probably to the Super Bowl.. If Coach AR fires Castillo (a remote possibility in my opinion) who does he hire for basically a lame-duck Coach with 1 year to make it… How does anyoth new DC incorporate new schemes tailored to the personnel that Eagles have in 1 off-Season and help save AR’s job.. The EAgles just have gone thru this scheme changes, doesn anyone think that a new scheme is going to go smootlhy for the next DC.. Also if it’s not the Wide-9, then washburn is a goner for it’s all he teaches and coaches and before many of you disgruntled fans keep coming out with the fire this Coach, or that Coach, you have to think a little deeper think who you can replace that Coach with, What scheme does this new Coach bring and how does it fit with othe other Coaches and personnel that’s already here and basically all in it for one more Season anda run at it in 2012..
Now when 2012 Season comes and goes and this team has underperformed, failed to make to playoffs or go on a deep run, then it;s time to completely clean house and than means everyone from GM Roseman to AR and every assistant on the Staff and start anew, but the time to do this is not this off-Season.. There is simply not enough time to go out bring in new Coaches and Schemes and try to be competitive in 2012. and besides Owner Jeff Lurie is not going to pay the Highest Paid Coaching Staff in the NFL not to coach in 2012, it goes against the grain and fabric of the man.. He is going to give Coach ARr every opportunity to get this Franchise back on track and it will all hinge on the 2012 Season
I do believe that OC Marty will leave on his own to pursue other opportunities at either Penn State or another NFL Team (SD Chargers, Miami Dolphins come to mind).. With MM gone, I believe that CoachAr will go back to calling the Offensive Plays, Coach AR knows that 2012 is it for him if he fails or underperforms and he probably is not going to trust anyone else calling the plays plus it’s what Coach AR really likes doing the best.. If he is going to go down, Coach Ar will go down calling his own plays and doing it his way…
i think if we had a balanced offense we make playoffs in 07 and this yr, and we score more points in 2009 and 2010….14,16 is pathetic and not making playoffs is pathetic….that’s why if we had Reggie white, dion sanders, Spags as Def CCOORD AND THROW IN LB of your choice we still lose cause of running ball 10 times and not 27-40 like these champions
SB winners playoff scoring(points)
There two highest playoff game scores
2010 Packers 48+ 31 points
2009 saints 45 + 31 points
2008 Steelers 35 +27 points
2007 Giants 24 +23 points
2006 Colts 38 + 29 points
2005 Steelers 34 +31 points
2004 Patriots 41 +24 pts
2003 Patriots 32 +24 pts
2002 Bucs 48 +31 pts
2001 Patriots 24 +20
2000 Ravens 34 +24
2011 EAGLES did not make playoffs
2010 16 pts barely made playoffs
2009 14 pts mcCoy 6 rushes
2008 2nd in weak div 9-6 record
2007 did not make playoffs
25 yrs from now: Grandson asks tonto5 “grandpa, looking through Eagles history i see a Andy Reid was a coach for 18 years. Can u tell me about him.
Sure, well my boy before Andy the NFC was tough. NFC winners for ten years were either NFC East and 49ers(3 times) Grandson: hell, that means we played the sb CHAMPIONS twice a yr and the the past winners too…tonto: yep your right plus we played 2 of those SB 49er teams…..but we had it rough….we fired a coach when he did not win SB but won 10+ gms in his last 3 seasons with us….grandson:wow yep but with Andy he looked good in begining…..we went against a great Rams teams and came close just in his 3rd yr i think…that was our first NFC championship gm so andy looked good……but he had to cause the NFC was weak and remained weak for about 12 years….we had high hopes for the next 2 years ….grandson; COOL how did that go
well we did go to 2 straight NFC games and it is looking good….but we lost and lost bad in those games……grandson; WELL i see games all the time and coaches make adjustments……well my boy Andy has some good things he did but in my opinion he …..let’s say other coaches would of won those games…..grandson; I SEE……we scored 3 points and 10 pts in those games…..grandson; I see an old article about andy being an off genuis….well u see those NFC games where we scored 3 and 10 pts shows he is not…we were not well balanced team under reid…..grandson; YEAH i seen a stat about all SB teams run about 30 times a gm a keep the D guessing…..tonto:not all but 98% We head into SB and Reid is at his highest moment…i believe we could have won the game if we had a balanced game…..grandson; REALLY……..tonto: yeah, our QB threw 53 times and the main RB rushed about 14 …….grandson; BIG DIFF grandpa…..that game had me thinking Andy was not that good…..the other coach who won SB as Def coor twice with Giants and took his team to SB 4 times said after the game he did not understand what Andy was doing but again he does not make changes during the game….i have to give the players credit they played tough the first half of the game but most of the second Pats were winning by 10 pts and in control…..that shows grandson u don’t have your QB throw 52 times and Rb run like 10-14
Grandson;;WELL he got us close most coaches get better the next yr how did Andy reid do the next yr after their Super Bowl run…..Tonto: we did not make the playoffs……grandson; ReALLY WOW…did we just miss them…tonto; NO . we were 6-10……grandson(speechless) what did we do the next yr…tonto: i don’t remember i am getting old u know ….grandson:ok ,how about the yr after that….tonto; WE did not make the playoffs….grandson; GRANDPA u did say the NFC was weak…..tonto;(cursing Lurie in his mind) yeah i mean Giants won a SB in 18 years but that is it………granson; WOW….weak div but if he is still coach he had to be improving right…..tonto; WELL we wanted him to….we missed playoffs in 07 barely got in 09,,,quick exit in 2010…missed in 2011-2015 grandson:wow i would have fired him…..tonto; U hater…..grandson after that SB we did not make playoffs alot…….tonto:(speechless)
we did make playoffs and trying to think we played the hated Cowboys and the up coming packers with Rodgers…grandosn;WOW rodgers he won like 6 Sb he was good QB but they were balanced sometimes…..tonto; WELL i will give u example of what helped Packers ….they ave 3/yds a carry and WE ave 5.3 a carry and Packers agaist us,falcons and bears rushed about 30 times and well balanced attack….grandson;WHAT did we do tonto;well i think we rushed mcCoy 11 times….grandson;WOW mccoy he was great funny he did not run a hall of famer like that tonto:(speechless)
how about the hated cowboys in playoffs andy reid had to have atleast 1 brilliant playoff …..tonto; WELL the final score was 34-10 grandson; DID we win….tonto;NO, it was usual……cowboys rushed 35 times and we did not stop it,,,Andy never believed in LB he was for rotating alot of DL but not LB….GRANDSON; REALLY, LB are like 1/3 of a Def, stop the run, defind the TE…..tonto; DON’T forget they blitz QB too….anyways we had mcCoy and it was not balanced attack and we rushed 6 times…..grandson i can’t believe fans or owner put up with that….i understand we are passionate and hope for the best but what get’s me is he really did not improve after that SB and was kept till 2016…..tonto; YES MY boy that is old history, grandson; DO u think Eagles will win SB tommorrow? YES, they should win or atleast the coach will give them a chance not like…grandson;PLS don’t ever say that name again
tonto = really – give it a fuckin rest – just ask gcobb to write an article – what aree you homeless and muttering to yourself?
I get, I get it, about the Super bowl think, we all want one. But what I am gosh dam tired of coming on here and reading about from Eagles fans is the sorry excuse of a Weak NFC East. Damn Eagles fans people around the nation love the Eagles, but they hate most Eagles fans and you know what I am getting to the point where I don’t much care for alot of Eagles Fans.
Hey Cowboy fans are arrogant, Giants fans are boastful, Redskins fans are braggers, Eagles fans are Nasty. Thats the preception but of course that is not true I know majority of Eagles fans are fair minded and balanced and among the greatest fans.
Was Tyson a great Champion? He didn’t fight the great legends of the 60’s or 70’s so what he is a bumb? So the U.S olympic team of 84′ were no good because what the soviet block teams boycotted?
And less anyone forget we were one of those so called weak sorry ass NFC teams when Reid took over and we were getting dominated by the so called weak division before he got there so was is you guys point about a weak NFC. Prior to Reid didn’t the Giants go to the superbowl.
Reid early years we dominated everyone we played mostly from the entire League (THE LEAGUE). So we got beat by a Dynasty, The Greatest Show on Turf, A panther Team that was better than most and gave the Dynasty all they could handle in the Superbowl. Whatever dudes. The NFC East teams had way better talent than our team during those days, yet we continued to kick their a@@. An Navy has already disspelled the Rhodes defense lie, yet people still continue to say it, so your judgements and honesty is suspect from where I sit.
I agree with most arguements here, but when I hear someone back washing our past successes to make a point and someone second the motion then I turn I just skip reading the post for days at a time (or more). I can stomach the Reid Firing calls (Been there myself), the complaints about lossing, stupid calls, plays, performance, all that is fair game.
But when someone marginalizes our past successes then I am done with it, get off it dude about the Weak NFC East crap that is the best way to identify a loser minded individual.
I am done for the day, see you mugs in the future, show some damn pride in your past! It won’t hurt your call or protest against the current regime to have just a little pride. I you can’t have some pride in that, then you are one of those dopes that shine with pride in the good ol tough defense losing season pityful Eagles days.
“If you liked those losing days I feel bad for you son; I got 99 problems but winning seasons aint one; Hit me! 99 problems but winning seasons aint one!)
I am not a Kool aid drinker, but I due know when I hear unbalanced crap!
Ok Tyson was good Champion (Not great), 84 olympic team was good, Eagles under Reid was very good (Not among the greatest).
Hows that amendment for you guys!
I accept both the success and failures. I don’t make all our Failures successes, nor do I make all our Successes failures.
2011 EAGLES did not make playoffs
2010 16 pts barely made playoffs
2009 14 pts mcCoy 6 rushes
2008 2nd in weak div 9-6 record
2007 did not make playoffs
just my opinion, but this is not very good to me…….Eagles SB yr we played Steelers during the season and lost like 30-3…colts,steelers pats beat each other up those years and we played vikings and vick falcons, and still only made it once………other coaches would have won SB in 13 going on 14 years
Spag comes here with the understanding that if he’s successful with the D he gets the Head Coaching position in 2013. It’s that simple….
paulman , not buying into the buyout , take a year off thing ,. these guys want to stay active and in the league : norv turner , wade phillips , cant think of broncos coach last year now with chiefs i believe . to name a few.
and i wish the birds were playing a team that needed to win to get in this week or for positioning , a get a true idea were we are , see if this improved D could cover Tony Gonzalous up the middle or what this O could do against the ravens . a simple win against the redskins seems so blah !!
Most guys who want reid gone know he is bad at changing during the game and no balance…….Ried would lose half(give him some credit) the SB if he coached the teams…..for example when Bills playing Cowboys so tough Jimmy Johnson made decision to run emmitt and they won easy……Would andy do that …lol no….he would have lost that game big time……if he coached the Giants and Patriots…..pats would have killed him ….he would have had eli throw 40 times and not rush at all…..Dillon ran over us in SB 28 rushes….andy would have had him run 10-14 times changes the game completely he would have lost that game…..Steelers won 2 SB in last 7 years with BALANCE off Reid would have had ben throw 40-52 times and rush 10-14 they would have been killed just like in his playoff games when he ave 10-14 pts….off genius may he coach another ten years
i still can’t believe he only rushed mcCoy 6 times against the hated cowboys in that playoff game….we only lost 34-10…..don’t worry guys we have NEXT YEAR!
Yeah, Paul, you’re buyout idea sounds crazy because there’s a rich history of coaches being fired, moving on from teams, taking new jobs – it happens all the time and we have a vast media to cover it. What you’re talking about never happened. The only reasonable explanation for the source of your idea is that expansive noggin of yours. But seriously, why believe so hard in something that never has happened with billions of chances for it to happen and plenty of documentation? We’ve never seen a coach fired with a circumstance where he has to sit out a year. So why believe we would?
In essence, you’re weird….
tonto – our old pals ‘way overboard’ and ‘broken record’ just texted me – they said “no seriously, that Tonto guy is cramping our style and it’s gotten out of hand’.
I’d drive you to the mental hospital if I knew where you live, out of respect for you, a fellow Eagles fan. But I cant do that, so all I can do is tell you that on a scale of one to 10, 10 being the least able to cope with some disappointment, you’re at a 40. CHILL.
You’re statement that ‘other coaches would have won 13 or 14 SBs with these Eagles teams’ proves you’re delusions. If you’re not that crazy, and just using exaggeration to express yourself, well WE GET IT. WE GOT IT BEFORE YOU CAME ON THIS SITE. EVERYTHING YOU’RE SAYING HAS BEEN POSTED MANY TIMES BEFORE BY OTHER POSTERS. AND YOU ARE FREAKING OUT.
It is amazing how you morons attack Andy Reid as a coach when this organization has not won a SB with or without Andy Reid, the ex-players that attack Vick, Reid and others never one a SB themselves when they played. Cobb his little staff of writer are just opinions with no merit they can neither coach, play or run an organization. Andy Reid has a SB ring do any of you morons have one. Go Eagles
I have to agree that this entire coaching staff will be back next year. It doesn’t take much to fool Jeffrey Lurie and he is a very loyal guy. But I also agree that 2012 is Andy’s last chance if he doesn’t win a post season game. I hate to speculate further. But I don’t think he needs to do as much as people think.
Here’s how I see it: 1) No playoffs. I don’t care if he goes 11-5 and misses the playoffs. He will be fired. 2) somewhat disappointing regular season at 10-6 but makes the playoffs and loses first game. He will be fired. 3) same scenario but he wins first playoff game and loses second. He probably stays but as lame duck without an extension. 4) Same scenario but makes NFCC and loses for fifth time in six tries. He gets a three year extension. 5) He has a great regular season and goes 12-4 or better and gets a bye. He loses the first playoff game. He will be fired. 6) Great regular season again and wins first game and loses NFCC again. Probably gets one more year without an extension. 7) Great regular season and gets to the SB and loses. He gets a 3-5 year extension.
Paulman I don’t pretend to know half the things that you think you know, but man you are amazing. I love the way you speak with such certainty about things that aren’t even true. I like how you completely forgot about how you told everyone this was AR’s last year and he had no power, now it’s next year for sure.
Do you even read your own posts. Washburn has always worked under a DC and he’s always run the wide 9. I’m pretty sure the Eagles have been blitzing alot lately and have been pretty effective at it. What does one have to do with the other? Of course I’m sure you’ll break it down for me. Please explain to me why you can’t blitz in a wide 9 then go back and watch the last few games.
Why would Spagnuolo accept a DC job? How about 10 and 38? Who’s gonna hire him to be a head coach? put any thought into that one? All of a sudden he’s Jimmy Johnson. He demands a lucrative severance package. He’s gonna go to whomever wants to pay him. I would think that if Washburn can get pressure with his front four that throwing in different blitzes would be very effective, such as moving Babin and Cole to the LB position and sending them. I know I’m pretty stupid but that seems like something that could work. I’ve rambled on long enough my head hurts.
A standard procedure when a Coach is Fired before his Contract is up (Spags is under contract thru 2012) is that the Team pay that Coach thru the end of the Contract.. The agreement usually reached is that the Fired Coach (Spags) will receive his “Severance Pay” on the condition of not accepting another Coaching job while be paid from his former Employer… Another words, Spags would not get both , he would not recieve a “Severance Package” from the Rams for the 2012 Seasons and by the Eagles if they were to hire him ..and this is why you see most Coaches when fired and still under contract not take another job until their Severance Deal runs out.. Now some exceptions could apply if the Coach was a highly succesful, high profile Coach which Spags is not where the NFL may even step in and make a Team pay some type of Payment/Settlement.Draft Picks if they feel any Tampering was going on and again this is not the case for Spags
paulman , if spagnola is contracted through 2012, the rams are legally obligated to pay him upon termination. If he then secures another job in the NFL, logic and the legal concept of mitigation of damages would require they pay him only to the extent there is a difference to what he would have earned as the rams head coach compared to actual earnings with a new team. Of course, this is all a matter of contractual terms about which neither you nor I or nor anyone else knows about unless you tell me you have read the contract and are qualified to interpret its terms. You have great insight on some,a lot of football issues, stay within your domain of comfort
Most NFL Teams have pretty strict Contract Langauge about Early Terminations, Contract Buyouts and Coach Movement’s as most NFL Teams like to keep as much information on how they operate, very close to vest and in-house as much as possible.. There are only 32 NFL HC Positons availalbe with probably another 8-10 on Teams Payrolls..
Why did Shannahan wait 2-3 Years before taking the HC position with a crappy, rebuild job with the Redskins, because he was being paid by teh Broncos during his “time off”.
Why hasn’t former Vikings HC Brad Childress sufraced anywhere since getting fired by the Vikings.. because he’s getting paid very well for his “time off”.. Mike Singletary fired last seasons by the 49res while still under Contract and is now aking a “year off”.. etc,etc..
See what happens to former HC’s Jack Del Rio and Todd Haley who were both fired this Season, I believe Jack Del Rio may have been in his final season so he may be able to move on and be free to do what he wants..
The NFL is not run like a “normal” Business in the area of Contracts and Finances, it is a unique entity which is very Protective on information on how they operate..
Clueless you make too much sense for Paulman to deal with. I go at it with this guy about trading DJax under a franchise tag and am told that players can’t be traded under the tag by him which baffles my mind and then the guy makes a post about how DJax could be traded under a franchise tag. Paulman is anything but consistent with anything he says about the Eagles…
Paulman you know football don’t get me wrong but I think sometimes you black out on here and don’t know what you write or how stupid it makes you sound.
I am not going to say that Spags will be DC next year as a lock…but I will say the possibility is definitely beyond reasonable to anyone that pays attention to football. Paulman I don’t know why you keep bringing up he won’t come here just for the feelings of many Eagles fans….Fact is this guy hasn’t been anywhere close to successful as a head coach as Clueless pointed out with his pathetic record (majority of it took place when the division was historically bad)…Why would Spags have head coach jobs lined up next year if he were to get fired…And just because he is getting paid next year by the Rams doesn’t mean a thing. Maybe if he was already a HOF coach who is up there in the years and needed time to relax but he is not and if anything needs to stay in the game to give GMs around the league a a chance to have confidence in him again…Again why not go back to something your good at in a place you know all about and where you feel comfortable at to succeed
Now on Djax, I still can’t believe people actually think the Eagles will just say thanks buddy you free to leave after the season. If this guy is going anywhere from here the Eagles will get back something in return Period. (still think its 50-50 he could stay)…Djax hasn’t evn reached his prime yet…he is like what 25 years old…are you kidding me in that the Eagles would just let him go…Again there is some stupid people on here. If there is no contract deal made he will get the tag while future plans are decided upon. People get on him for his lack of size and personality then the same people wan’t Vincent Jackson who makes DJax look like Mother Teresa…Further, Vincent Jackson gets hurt more than Djax even though he has the much bigger body…same idiots wanted Sidney Rice over Djax what a joke
paulman if they keep this information close to vest, how the hell do you know about it, you sound like a fool now
I do agree about the stupidity of making Reid the GM if he is fired as coach…To me that just makes no sense…If you don’t want Reid as HC anymore because of his faults then why the hell would you want him as the GM? Personally, Im done with Reid having any way with this football team. If he leaves after next season I want him gone completely.
Why can’t you guys come on here, without writing 1000 word essays on War & Peace! WTF!!! Have conversation, make your point & move the f^#@ on! I feel like I’m studying for finals in college, again. MY GOD!!!
Jake – he is a fool. There’s a direct line from his ass to his keyboard becuase that’s where ‘talks’ out of. That’s the thing, anyone who listens to Paul and takes his word for having value is the person freaking out everytime the ‘boy cries wolf’.
Was meant for Pheags, Tonto, & Mono, not Paul, or Jake.
Got you D – you have criticism but only for those that don’t agree with your opinions. Dude, you’re such a transparant hack
Yes, I am a fool sometimes, and comfortably numb and all the other cliche’s you want to throw out there.. Unfortunately for me, I pay a little more attention on how the NFL is run than many of you do..so my points get missed, but that’s ok and the way it goes.. I will continue to call them as a I see them and Spags is not part of the picture in 2012. .
paul if you pay a little more attention on how the NFL is run – why can’t you pay a little more attention to the validity of what you post?
Oh yeah, that’s right, because you ‘call them as you see them’ and that’s what you’re comfortable with.
Reid as a GM… please, NO!!!! You want him screwing up first round picks? Reid must be gone – period if he’s out as a coach, though I think Lurie doesn’t have the guts to fire him and will keep him on next year if for no other reason than to save paying him his salary.
There a LOT of HC’s in the NFL who take a step back to lower responsibility before signing elsewhere (without having to sit out some time): Morninwheg, Mora, Martz, Phillips, Marinelli, Mike Tice, etc.
Again, we don’t need Andy Reid in any form/position staying around with the Eagles. It’s just time to move on even if it takes another year to get this team truly competitive against the best in league. Few prospective HC’s would want him as a GM either knowing his ways.
Players get comfortable with their coaches so it’s not hard to understand why they might try to save a coach’s job, but they adapt to whomever comes in just like the O and D lines did.
Iggles – since you are so smart – why don’t you point out for me a coach or GM who has more 1st round picks that went on to be pro bowl players then AR? Find a team that has had more of their 1st round draft picks be starters within three years?? go for it
Find me a coach or a GM who has had more of the defensive players that he drafted go on to make the pro bowl?
guys just make shit up, throw it at the wall and hope it sticks –
to Navy..
I will guess the GM from Giants (J Reese) and Ravens (O Newsome) have had more 1st Round Picks make the Pro-Bowl and become Starters, than AR has but Let me do some research first
Navy, Come on man. First off, coaches don’t usually get to coach for the same team for 13-14 years like Reid has or whatever it is so obviously that number is going to be BS. It just doesn’t happen any more. Guys that actually win SuperBowls get fired these days if they don’t make it deep in the playoffs the next following years.
“Find a team that has had more of their 1st round draft picks be starters within three years?”
This is just dumb man plain and simple. Just because your a starter on the Eagles defense doesn’t mean your a quality football player in regard to the NFL. We just went on a shopping spree last offseason for a whole new defense because The Eagles have been incapable of drafting on that side of the ball the past couple years. Why does our 7th/late rounders end up starting over the top round guys?
“Find me a coach or a GM who has had more of the defensive players that he drafted go on to make the pro bowl?”
Find me just ONE stud Reid has drafted on defense since JJ passed? JUST give me one. They are batting ZERO.
Yes I agree with you that some guys on here just make shit up, but lets be real here man the defensive drafting has been putrid that past seasons and its really hurting the Eagles bad.
I hope i narrowed that down DCar
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pheags – I will play – go by players darafted making pro bowl divided by # of years – go – but I guess you want it # of defensive pro bowl players drafted since the death of JJ?
Pheages – “Guys that actually win SuperBowls get fired these days if they don’t make it deep in the playoffs the next following years.” – really? who?
Navy there is no game to play. The Eagles haven’t drafted a pro bowler on defense since when like 2006 or something man? Are you kidding me? That asinine. Its not even a discussion anymore on how bad they have been on drafting players for defense. You can’t defend it.
I think JJ had a lot to do with drafting the studs in the early 2000s but You can dodge all the questions you want about how bad the drafting on that side of the ball has been recently…Its already there for everyone to see. I asked a very simple question…just name me one stud Reid has drafted on Defense recently? Just one…I don’t think one stud is asking a lot when these guys get millions to be right on those decisions…do YOu? You know defense is kinda important in the NFL too.
Schiller, Gruden for one. I think Coughlin (for whatever reason I don’t understand has been on the hot seat in NY) has an easy chance to be let go if they lose Sunday…
Schiller, Do you think Reid is a better at coaching today than he was in say 2002, and if you think he has improved tell me where in the wins and losses it shows it?
Forgot about Billick and Shanahan…sure there are more others if I cared enough to do actual research. My point is just that the NFL like most pro sports is a what have you done for me lately type of league…
pheags, did you just ask me to demonstrate an increase in wins from a list of decreasing wins?
I think reid is a better coach today than he was in 2002 becuase he has more experience and I think experience can only make you better. I don’t think that this team, as it currently is, is better than some of the teams Reid coached in philly in the past.