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Lurie Praised GM Howie Roseman, But What About His Poor Drafting

Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie spoke glowingly about Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman. “He’s one of the brightest young guys in the league,” Lurie said after addressing the media in the Nova Care Complex.

He went on to talk about Roseman making evaluations and moves to acquire cornerback Nmandi Asomugha, defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, and offensive guard Evan Mathis.  “These are great moves,” Lurie said. “Very excited about both what [Roseman] brings to it, and he’ll only get better, too.”

I’ll give Roseman credit for doing a good job on the free agent market.  He was aggressive in making moves to sign big name talent after the lockout.  If it weren’t for Roseman’s outstanding job of signing free agent talent, he and Andy Reid’s poor job of drafting would have been exposed.

The major problem with Roseman has been his drafting which has been horrible.  For Lurie to praise Roseman like he did, he had to totally ignore the last two drafts.  His response to questions about Roseman’s influence on the draft was his way of protecting the young General Manager.

“The analysis is complicated,” Lurie said. “We’ve had a pretty good defense and we’ve had a lot of veteran players we’ve brought in who’ve been very successful who’ve probably over-played the draft choices. If you look back just two years on defense, I know Andy and his team is very excited about [2010 top draft pick] Brandon Graham having a healthy offseason and should be a top-tier pass rusher.”

“We brought in a top-tier pass rusher [Babin] because we didn’t necessarily think Brandon was going to be healthy this year,” Lurie said. “In today’s NFL, it’s a combination of draft, free agency, whatever. Every aspect has to be analyzed by everyone in terms of internally. It’s putting the pieces together.”
I don’t see how the Eagles can be so high on Graham.  The truth is very few of their draft picks in the last two years have been anything to write home about.
They may still believe that Graham has potential, but after two years, he hasn’t done anything yet.
Last year’s second pick, Nate Allen is also a question mark.  I’m going to give him a pass and see what he does next season but he hasn’t proven he can be a decent starter in the league as of yet.
There’s not one proven star amongst rest of the 2010 draft.
Third round pick defensive end Daniel Te’o-Nesheim was a bust and is gone.
Fourth round pick Trevard Lindley was a bust and is gone.
The next fourth round pick, Keenan Clayton is nothing special, just a backup and special teamer.
The next fourth round pick Mike Kafka looks to be a career third-quarterback.
The next fourth round pick tight end Clay Harbor has shown promise.
Fifth-round pick, linebacker/defensive end Ricky Sapp was a bust and is gone.
Fifth-round pick, wide receiver Riley Cooper is just a backup and special teamer.
Sixth round running back Charles Scott was a bust and is gone.
Seventh round pick middle linebacker Jamar Chaney is the starting middle linebacker, but he hasn’t proven he can be a good player in the league.  He’s currently starting but doesn’t have a lock on the job.
Seventh round defensive tackle Jeff Owens is gone.
Seventh-round safety Kurt Coleman is a starter, but he doesn’t have the job locked up.  He’s a hard working and savvy player, but he lacks the speed to be a big-time star.
The 2011 DRAFT has been more of the same.  The Eagles drafted two players, who I consider to be a future stars and that’s fourth round pick, kicker Alex Henery and sixth round pick, center Jason Kelce.
First-round pick Danny Watkins has a starting job but he isn’t dominant, which makes me wonder why they took him in the first round since he’s already 27 years old.
Second round pick, safety Jaiquawn Jarrett couldn’t barely get on the field as a safety even though it’s one of the weakest positions on the defense.
Third-round pick, cornerback Curtis Marsh couldn’t get on the field.  He’s a question mark.
Fourth-round pick, kicker Alex Henery has proven to be a very good pick.
Fifth-round pick, running back Dion Lewis didn’t show much this year.  He’s undersized and may never be able to pass block on the NFL level.
Fifth round pick, guard Julian Vandervelde has shown nothing and may be a career backup.  He’s been on the inactive list for most of the season.
Sixth-round pick, starting centerJason Kelce, could be a future Pro Bowler. He’s a great athlete for the position.
Sixth-round pick, linebacker Brian Rolle, may be able to play as a nickel linebacker, but he will probably never be a starter for a good NFL defense.
Seventh-round pick, linebacker Greg Lloyd hasn’t been able to get on the field, so his future in the league is questionable at best.
Seventh-round pick, fullback Stanley Havili has been on the practice squad and may never suit up for an NFL game.

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drummerwinslow
January 4, 2012 8:42 am

No team has ever made as many head-scratching moves.

Reid’s past is finally catching up with him. It’s taken an additional season, but what’s one more, after 13? It’s nearly over.

drummerwinslow
January 4, 2012 8:50 am

Reid’s been given an ultimatum; win or else. At least Lurie’s not drinking the Kool-Aid, though he’s still serving it. Anyone care for a super-sized drink?

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 9:46 am

I don’t drummer – you think after 200 dead kids – 900 dead people – many murdered becuase they didn’t want to drink – you might lay off the kool aid jokes – I mean why not joke about the holocaust, genocide or any other tragedy?

As many head scraching moves – guess you don’t follow the NFL much huh – thanks for yet again proving my point about eagle fans being single minded ignorant –

my personal fav is the Lions who drafted 4 WRs in the first round in 5 years
or the vikings who traded the Cowboys what ended up being like 5 players and 3 first round draft picks – no maybe NEw Orleans when they gave up there whole draft to get Ricky Willaims (including two picks the next year?)

No dummer – just a few seconds of basic understanding of football (don’t even need a masters degree) you can find more head sctratching moves by teams that far outrival keeping a coach that has gotten the team to the playoffs as many times as Reid

For example – the chargers keeping AJ Smith adn Norv Turner after failing to reach the playoffs the last TWO years – or the Bears keeping Smith..

I wonder if this is what it was like when scientists tried to explain to the Church the Earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around?

btc24
btc24
January 4, 2012 9:55 am

Evaluating free agents is much easier to do than evaluating draft prospects because they’ve already proven themselves in the NFL. So I’m not going to give Roseman credit for that. Not to mention, I’d say Nnamdi has been a bust so far given the amount of money he’s making and the expectations in place when he got here.

I don’t want to see many moves made in free agency in terms of bringing in starters outside of a LB or Safety. This team needs continuity. If you look at the best teams in the league over the past few years (Patriots, Packers, Saints, Steelers, Ravens, etc), none of them have been very active in free agency. I think one of the biggest success factors in the NFL is stability and continuity. They need to take it easy this year and just put a piece or two in place through free agency and hope to finally get this damn draft thing figured out. Keep in mind that although our LBs and Safeties are the weak links on defense, they’re also the youngest units on the team.

DCar
DCar
January 4, 2012 9:58 am

GARY, have you ever seen such a baffling, contradictory, delusional, press conference in your life!? He spent 15 minutes sounding like everyone from GM, down to the toilet scrubber was getting axed, to high praising everyone & doing absolutely nothing to rectify the same old broken record. I don’t f^#@ing get it! He has to be blackmailing Lurie, or maybe they’re butt buddies. IDK! I don’t get it!

bsmvideos
January 4, 2012 10:02 am

The Bible taught science about the earth not the other way around….

In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:

“He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth…” (Isaiah 40:22,NIV). (By the way, the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for “sphere,” only for “circle.”)

“He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing” (Job 26:7, NIV).

btc24
btc24
January 4, 2012 11:08 am

Navy, WTF are you talking about dude? Get a grip.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 11:43 am

btc – wtf talkin bout where – what do I need get a grip on – got my wallet, my keys, my cell –

btc24
btc24
January 4, 2012 11:47 am

Navy, the part about all the people dying and the genocide, holocaust, etc. Did I miss something? I don’t see where that is in reference to.

greenfan
greenfan
January 4, 2012 11:51 am

@btc….Navy grew up in the Jim Jones cult…down in Jonesboro LA….took a group to Guianna and they commited mass suicide by drinking Kool-Aid….it apparently is something he likes to use to prevent others from accusing him of “drinking the kool-aid” regarding the spin the eagles often send out…although it is a commonly used term, squidboy uses the Jim Jones tradegy to try and divert attention from his knee-jerk support of all things AR and Eagles FO.

btc24
btc24
January 4, 2012 11:52 am

Haha, thanks Greenfan. I’ve certainly seen those tendencies of his.

jakedog
jakedog
January 4, 2012 11:53 am

navy, you may be right about some eagles fans, btc, read any history?

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 11:58 am

“Drinking the Kool-Aid” is a metaphor commonly used in the United States and Canada that refers to a person or group’s unquestioning belief in an ideology, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. The phrase typically carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. The basis of the term is a reference to the November 1978 Jonestown Massacre,where members of the Peoples Temple were said to have committed suicide by drinking a “Kool-Aid”-like drink laced with cyanide.

so that is the phrase Drummer likes to use – but facts are – 1) 912 people, including 200 kids died ‘drinking the kool aid’ – many didn’t want to drink the kool aid – they were forced –

another part –

Evidence gathered at the Jonestown site after the incident indicated that Flavor Aid (a similar powdered drink mix), not Kool-Aid, was used in the massacre. Some survivors of the incident object to the link between blind faith and the deaths of members of the People’s Temple implied by the phrase, because some victims were murdered—forced to drink at gunpoint—rather than being convinced or forced to commit suicide. In addition, Jim Jones had previously had many rehearsals for the event in which the drink contained no poison, which led to cult members believing the drink was harmless on the day that it did contain poison.

so if under the guise of chosing if yes or no you want to support a sports team – to me using a reference to the death and murder of 900+ people seems much –

so why not use the genocide in Rwanda or Sudan – or the holocaust –

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 12:01 pm

Green – you really have to stop this man crush you have on me – acting all envious – be cool dude – relax – same thing I have been telling you about your constant whining and bitching – just relax – next season will come and it will all be fine –

btc24
btc24
January 4, 2012 12:07 pm

Navy, thanks for the history lesson. I was actually not aware that the slogan came from that event.

Jake, just because I’m not a big history buff doesn’t make me single minded.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 12:33 pm

no worries – btc – just doing some cutting and pasting – did Paul Harvey retire? Maybe I could pick up his ‘the rest of the story’ shtick

jakedog
jakedog
January 4, 2012 12:46 pm

btc this is an erudite group here on gcobb just ask navy, he will tell you

Erock
Erock
January 4, 2012 12:53 pm

You know its a bad season if dudes are putting bible versus on the site.

AZ dude will be there for Eagles….get him and our backers are better. I’d go after the Grant guy from the Niners as well.We need a full upgrade on our linebackers.Chaney should stick…he could be alot better with some capable backers around him.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 1:10 pm

thats funny – erudite – getting some SAT caliber words going – you know you never did tell me how you hook up jumper cables – you just bluffed your way over it…. what type of classic cars do you work on/with –

jakedog
jakedog
January 4, 2012 1:37 pm

lots navy, a lancia beta coupe, ’73 tr6, 95 300zx and do some, work on everyday driver Saab 9-5 aero turbo

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 4, 2012 1:51 pm

I do not think I would even fit in some of those cars you mentioned.. hobby or side job or career – always wanted to get/fix up old corvette – never had the time – definitely don;t have the space… by the time I could I won’t have the knees

There Will Be PaulMan
There Will Be PaulMan
January 4, 2012 3:44 pm

These comments make me want to drink Kool-Aid

paulman
paulman
January 4, 2012 3:57 pm

Who is this “There will be Paulman” .. I am taking time off and tired of talking about the same things over and ovver… I’Ll be back during Senior Week in Late January and start prepping for the Draft..

greenfan
greenfan
January 4, 2012 4:53 pm

@TWBP…I don’t care what you say, that there was funny.

BigE
BigE
January 4, 2012 7:09 pm

Everybody did such a good job. How the hell did the Eagles wind up 8-8 with a
creampuff schedule. I’m tired of the bullshit. Cower is only one guy who won a Super Bowl. For this one guy there are over a dozen who won in their first six years or less. Offensive and defensive ranking don’t mean squat when you don’t meet expectations and get in the playoffs. the Eagles are a sad organization except for $$$$$$$$.

tonto5
tonto5
January 4, 2012 7:39 pm

drummer stop doing the kool-aid thing those were innocent kids, do the holocaust instead.