Michael Vick Says He’s One Of The NFL’s Best QB’s, But Is He
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, News, Quarterbacks Sunday, April 1st, 2012
Michael Vick was interviewed after doing an event for the Humane Society at Simon Gratz High in North Philadelphia this week and he was asked about the Eagles showing some interest in Peyton Manning.
“I don’t know how true it is, and I don’t care,” Vick said. “I feel no threat within my position. You can bring in the best quarterback around, and I’m going to play my best. I’m one of the best.”
I have no problem with Vick expressing himself and showing self-confidence. He should believe that he’s one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but I starting wondering where exactly does he rate amongst the quarterbacks in the National Football League.
Vick played like an MVP candidate through most of the 2010 season, but in 2011, the numbers weren’t there and neither was the performance. He turned the ball over at an alarming rate and was unable to stay healthy because of his daring style of play. The key going into 2012 is whether Vick can stay healthy and play the quarterback position with the proficiency he did in the early 2010 season.
I started thinking about which quarterbacks I would rate ahead of him.
I think there are clearly six quarterbacks ahead of Vick; Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Phillip Rivers. Matt Ryan, Tony Romo and Joe Flacco are very close to Vick, but it’s arguable whether they’re better or not.
Where would you put Vick on this list and why?
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WOW!!!! All of this back and forth is making it more and more difficult for me to wait for September (heck I’d even take August right now). At the end of the season some will have been supporters and advocates from day one, some will have been cynics (but still supporting none the less), and some will be guilty of attempted sabotage (referring to when the Eagles make it deep into the post season and win the SB in spite of they naysayers).
I don’t mind taking the heat as an uber Eagles fan… I have a feeling about this year that I haven’t had in the past. Some things can be answered with empirical data and in some cases gut instinct is the best approach. I am very excited about the moves our FO has made, our very accomplished head coach, the play makers and new leaders we have on defense, the continuity and play makers we have on offense, and our dynamic QB that scares the crap out of opposing defenses as a dual threat.
@Navy… I really respect your posts, even though you took a bit of a dig at me, I really respect how you present your point of view. I may not always agree, but I always respect. Not that you needed that but I thought I’d share.
@Peace, JMT, Realtalk, and Rocko… stay positive and have each others back. It’s going to get rough in here before it gets better. The haters stick together and so should you.
@Giants Fan… nothing changes. I look forward to the day when you get exposed for who you are (even though allot of it has been shown already). Oh… and FYI “He’s inaccurate (that’s a distortion). He’s a turnover machine (that’s a distortion). He gets hurt every year (I’ll give you that). He’s small (Ok and your point is?). He has a me first attitude (That is an egregious lie and an example of why I call you a bigot). We’ll be better when we’ve moved on from this failed reclamation project (When the Eagles win the SB with Vick at the helm I want you to remember this statement). If I am wrong about Vick I will happily proclaim you right and me wrong… but If Vick does what I expect him to do in 2012… You will eat every hate filled word.
I’m outta here for a while fellas… I’ve enjoyed the back and forth. It makes me feel good to defend my team and its leaders. The more I do it the more confidence I have in the FO, HC, Off, Def, and QB! I CAN’T WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO BEGIN!
First off some of you guys are writing mini novels on here STOP THAT SHIT. Okay now Mike Vick is a top ten quarterback, never said he wasn’t. He just has holes in his game he need’s to sure up that’s all. I admit I was impressed with all the stats guys on here dug up. It was really impressive, the only stat that matters fellas is zero Superbowls period. Andy sucks and unfortunately he is going to take Mike down with him.
navy, I agree, we need the draft, FA signings, Mesante trade, or something, because I’ve been like the GCobb’s judge, moderator, equal rights lawyer, & HR rep on here lately, with some of these goof balls. They have been making me look like Mr. Positive. Too much BS on here anymore. JEESH!
Also vick is probably around nine I think lionsden posted that, that’s about right for mike. He has all the tools, the O-line has to hold up and as a team they can’t turn the ball over as much as they did. People on here get up in arms when you mention flaw’s in Vick’s game. Look what pissed me off with Vick is that in 2010 he showed what he could do if properly motivated. Then once he got his spot back all that shit stopped where is the consistancy. Year in and year out certain quarterbacks get it done, Vick has to take that approach also. So yeah I am coming at Vick a little bit, and if he not careful Cam newton might fly past him this year. That boy’s a beast.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO ALL EAGLE FANS AND I WANT YOU TO BE HONEST. BACK IN 2004 WHEN WE WENT TO THE SUPERBOWL DID ANYBODY FEAR VICK. HONESTLY I KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BEAT THEM. I KNEW THAT VICK WAS NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE AGAINST A DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR THAT NEW HOW TO PLAY HIM. SEE IT’S CERTAIN TEAMS THAT NO HOW TO PLAY AGAINST VICK. JIMMY JOHNSON LAID THE GAME PLAN OUT ON HOW TO DEFENSE HIM. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH CERTAIN TEAMS. VICK HAS TO BEAT THE BLITZ AND MAKE TEAMS PAY DAMMIT.
BOOTS TO ASSES, I’M SORRY I JUST BEEN WANTING TO SAY THAT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING.
pdids – kind of a messed up question. Team sport – I DID fear Vick then – but not his team. One player CAN NOT win an NFL football game. You can have an awesome QB – still needs guys to catch it. You can have an awseome RB – doesn’t mean you’ll win games if your defense is terrible.
PDiddy — Vick has shown that he is a different QB than he was back then. We’ve seen it, the coaching staff has said it, and opposing coaches have said it. He’s a different QB.
He needs to recognize the blitz a bit better and continue to evolve. I believe this is a make or break year for him.
Schill I agree but you have to admit Jim johnson game up with a great game plan on how to beat Vick and from what I have seen the teams that play that style are still successful against him to today. Birdo I agree with you he has to recognize the blitz better and get rid of the dam ball. And until he does that his numbers will be so so.
@ Birdo….I would have agreed with your statement about Mike being a different QB in 2010….but with the poor play of the line, mucho batted down balls and increase in interceptions, I think that there is a concern amoung many fans that in 2012 he returned to some bad old habits.
My hope is that it was a combination of a screwed up off-season because of the lockout….new coaches all over the staff….a line that needed to gel…..DJax messed up with contract on the brain…..Maclin facing health issues that kept him off the field during training camp….ALL excuses, but reasons to hope that after a year under Mudd the OL will play more consistant, that DJax will have his head on straight, that Maclin will take it to the next level and if that all comes together, we will see a healthy Mike Vick play like we saw in 2010 and the Birds will be successful.
Ok I am going to go deeper with my point. First of R.I.P. to the late Jim Johnson, do you guys remember how when we played quarterback’s that were averaged or below average our defense would dominate. But when we played the smarter quarterbacks. Some games we would get torched, because smarter QB’s would eventually pick up on our blitz scheme and make us pay. That’s what Vick has to do dammit.
Pdids – agreed. RIP JJ…ugh
AND MY GOD IT DOESN’T TAKE A FREEKIN ROCKET SCIENTIST TO LEARN HOW TO SLIDE GOD DAMMIT. GRAB J ROLL AND ASK HIM TO SHOW YOU. COME ON MAN!
Pdid – there’s no “show you” with sliding. Every 4 year old can do it. It’s a matter of DROPPING YOUR EGO. He was told he was superman – invincible. And he came back from diversity to a pretty high level, so the man think’s he’s invincible. The only way he slides is if he allows maturity and sensibility to overtake his ego a bit. I haven’t seen any indication that he will, but who knows? That’s the doulbe-edged sword with the way we idolize and elevate elite athletes in our culture. Mike Vick the individual – the personality – was crafted by people reinforcing the idea of him as an amazing freak of nature unstopable force. It’s DEEP in his head. So much is. I’ve said it all along, Vick’s biggest weakness is his psyche.
The Eagles have long lacked a team psychologist. Not saying I’m uber qualified to do it – but they, and all teams, SHOULD have a psych staff. Egos are problems – we all know that – see Donovan, see TO….. the list goes on and on and on and….
Hey Schill another good point, I agreed with you twice in one day. I am leaving Gcobb for the rest of the day. I will return tomorrow, and we will get back to going at it I am not use to this. You took me out of me element, COME ON MAN.
I don’t know if it is that easy schill…..much of what makes Vick the player he is should be attributed to his self confidence…..I am sure that there have been times in the past where he was told his size would be an issue to being successful…..I agree with EVERYONE that he needs to play smarter and safer, but his confidence is also the thing that has gotten him this far, unfortunately I doubt that it will be easy to make a change, otherwise he would have done it last year.
Ha pdids. Likewise. We are all human, and Eagles fans afterall.
Greenfan – I agree about self-confidence. But he can be self-confident, and still slide. There’s a contiuum, and at some point, self confidence bleeds into arrogance, which can lead to stupidity. He’s flirting with the later end of the spectrum when he doesn’t slide. I’m not saying that I want Vick to think he sucks. But I want him to have the smarts to know that – confidence or no confidnece, he’s human, and can suffer broken bones, torn muscles and the like….
And greenfan – I ABSOLUTELY agree that it won’t be easy for him to make that change. The mind is a difficult thing to change. I’m not suggesting it’s an easy fix at all.
Right schill….we don’t want him to think he sucks…..just that he is human and can break!! I wish the coaches had a remote control with a “kill” button that would send him to the ground before he takes a big hit…..guess that would be stupid…..learning to slide is the next best step I guess.
Ha, Mike Vick, the video game experience – controller in coach’s hand…
It’s debatable…if you look at him through an entire season, in it’s totality, and figure in his ability to NOT stay healthy for an entire season he’s probably in the middle of the pack. If you compare his games that he’s healthy enough to play with that same number of games with all of the best he’s closer to the top.
I’m more prone to figure in the injuries simply because at 32 he’s only going to have a couple more years of effective high level play left and when it’s all said and done he’ll be known as the guy that had all of the tools, but could never stay healthy enough, or out of trouble long enough to really utilize all of them to their full potential and that will be reflected in his stats which will be carved in stone.
Here’s the way I look at it and probably the only way to look at it,
Vick is the man for the Eagles, He’s the Starter, the Franchise QB, so I support him 100%. He still gives the Eagles the best chance to win and if he simply can protect the ball and himself better, the Offense and Team should be in good shape..
The rest of woulda,coulda shoulda is all watrer under the bridge at this point and has little revelance on what can happen in 2012 so why bother complaining about it .. Let’s go Birds..