Michael Vick was interviewed after doing an event for the Humane Society at Simon Gratz High in North Philadelphia this week and he was asked about the Eagles showing some interest in Peyton Manning.
“I don’t know how true it is, and I don’t care,” Vick said. “I feel no threat within my position. You can bring in the best quarterback around, and I’m going to play my best. I’m one of the best.”
I have no problem with Vick expressing himself and showing self-confidence. He should believe that he’s one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but I starting wondering where exactly does he rate amongst the quarterbacks in the National Football League.
Vick played like an MVP candidate through most of the 2010 season, but in 2011, the numbers weren’t there and neither was the performance. He turned the ball over at an alarming rate and was unable to stay healthy because of his daring style of play. The key going into 2012 is whether Vick can stay healthy and play the quarterback position with the proficiency he did in the early 2010 season.
I started thinking about which quarterbacks I would rate ahead of him.
I think there are clearly six quarterbacks ahead of Vick; Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Phillip Rivers. Matt Ryan, Tony Romo and Joe Flacco are very close to Vick, but it’s arguable whether they’re better or not.
Where would you put Vick on this list and why?
where is eli, he gets no respect from you gcobb, two time super bowl mvp,,and listening to your show last night that clown adrian said he has taken every snap since being a starter, that is impressive if true, help me out here paulman, is that true?
#1 – Rodgers
#2 – Brady
#3 – Brees
#4 – P.Manning
#5 – E.Manning
#6 – Vick
I go with Winners on my list
#1) Tom Brady (has had a medicore WR Corps for a while,besides Welker)
#2) Rodgers (best WR corps in the NFL and great Play calling
#3) Brees (GReat Play Calling and Receiver’s)
#4) Eli Manning (2 Super Bowls Wins in 4 years, never gets rattled)
#5) Peyton Manning (great in his Prime, let’s see how he finishes career)
#6) Ben Rothlisberger.. (that’s right 2 Super Bowl Victories)
Next Tier of QB’s
Rivers,Ryan,Flacco,Vick,Romo,Schuab (when healthy) have all had nice careers to this point, but have not taken their teams to the Top or even performed well in the Post-Season and haven’t even goten to the big Game yet..
Next Tier of Young QB’s who may be able to take their Teams to the Top in the next few years(Matt Stafford,Cam Newton, Andrew Dalton)
Now this is Article I’ve been waiting for… Let’s go Vick haters and Mr. Giants Fan… I can’t wait to see the posts for this one. But make sure you know what you’re talking about before you disparage one of our leaders because if you don’t…
@Jakedog…”where is eli, he gets no respect from you gcobb, two time super bowl mvp,,and listening to your show last night that clown adrian said he has taken every snap since being a starter, that is impressive if true, help me out here paulman, is that true?” Really, you want kudos for a division rival on an Eagles’ blog… This is Philly sports not NYC sports….
I would put Vick at the Top of the “Exciting QB List” but that doesn’t translate to Victories and when you take out the magical ride of his 5-6 weeks in the Fall of 2010 and look over his 9-10 Year Career.. His play has been too erractic with too many turnovers and poor decisions to rank him as an “Elite NFL QB” in my opinion…
@Paulman.. I can agree with your rational for rankings and wanting to go with winners with the exception of Tom Brady. I will always look at the Patriots with an asterisk beside their name because of spygate as well as the number of rules changes that have been made to accommodate their team and their QB and the fact that the league destroyed the evidence. With that being said I’d put Rodgers at #1 and reserve judgement on Brady.
I slightly disagree with our second tier in that Vick is ahead of Ryan and Flacco but I will concede that he is behind Rivers.
Having said that… Vick is definitely top 10 in this league and that makes him one of the best.
lionsden, its a glaring omission, thats all, eli was asked the same question last year, gave similar answer, maybe vick will live up to his confidence level like manning did, and its one thing to be a fan, quite another to be ignorant or too biased
and given gcobb’s knowledge of football i am sure it was an omission
1. Brady
1a: Brees/ Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Eli Manning
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Joe Flacco
9. Mike Vick
10. Ryan Leaf
paulman has spoken the words of a true football fan. Not getting caught up in the hype of the team but focusing on the REALITY of their player. Vick had like he said a few good weeks one year and people shot him to the top. His career number show a average QB and that is me saying that becasue i am a vick fan but numbers dont lie…… Buddy boy really sucks if it isnt for him running. I read someone commenting on how well he extends a play. Holding the football 9 seconds can be dangerous and 95% of the time he is 15 yards backward for a loss. Seen that to many times, Go get yourself a Damn QB the only reason they brough thim in anyway was to steal the headlines fro the phillies. Tell me im wrong, since when has Mike Vick been considered a West coast passing QB???????? Get a real QB and stop playing your going to cut him after next year anyway because thats what they do, plus any wont be here so.. Do whats right and get a Qb.
And here your theory falls apart Lions,
If I were indeed a giants fan, then why on earth would I slag Vick? I’d be all, “you should keep Vick!! He’s awesome. Such a great playmaker. Hope he’s on your team for a long time.
Nothing Giants fan wants more is Vick at the helm of the Birds and Romo at the head of the Boys, because he knows how those stories always end. Vick and Romo at the helm of the two biggest rivals pretty much guarantees NYG success! Redskins don;t count because right now they’re the redskins….at least not yet.
TO figure out where Vick ranks, ask yourself the simple question…which teams would trade their starters for Vick str8 up, and which wouldn;t.
Would not:
NYG
Dall (though romo stinks)
GB
Det
NO
STL (now)
NE
Hou
Denv
Pitt
SD
Cinci
Carolina
NO
SO there’s almost 1/2 the leage who would not trade their QBs for Vick, because what they have is beet.
Superstar indeed.
Qb’s better than vick: Rodgers,ELi,Brady,Peyton,BIg Ben,Brees,Philip Rivers,Ryan and TONY ROMO. Yes I said it TONY ROMO is also better check the numbers the numbers don’t lie. In the words of Jay-z, men and women lie numbers don’t.
But I do consider Vick and Romo to be similar in big games, I don’t believe either one can get it done.
****PHils Breaking News****
Phils Trade Pither Tim Worley, OF Domonic Brown and a player to be named later to the NY Mets for 3B David Wright (I called this deal back in Dec/January) Wright will play 3B and Phils will move Polanco to 2B (as I also called) This is a great move for the Phils, Wright’s Career Stats batting at Citizens Bank Park are off the Charts.. Hopefully he can remain healthy and is only 28 Years old and Polanco can play 2B as Utley’s situation plays out (I personally think Utley’s career is over) and this Trade is probably further signals that the Phils don’t feel that strong about Utley’s long-term return which I am happy for GM Amaro to dinally come to his senses and address the 2B/3B Situation.. I would have preferred them signing 3B Aramis Ramirez in Free-Angecy, but this is the next best move they could have made
Meant Sea, not stl
And you can add Wsh and Indy to the above list, because neither would trade Luck or RGIII for Vick
These teams might consider trading for Vick
Atl
Stl
SF
Chic
Buff
Balt
Wow…good to see Vick considered the same level of Flacco, Fitz, Smith….and the other superstars on those teams
Teams that would trade for Vick
Minny
TB (shoulda put them in the maybe column)
Ariz
Mia
Nyj??? Probably not anymore
Cleveland
Oak
KC
Jax
Tenn
The only teams in the NFL who would really want Vick are the dregs. And that’s the truth. Only the bottom 3rd of teams in the league would consider Vick for their QB.
Ask if you would feel confident thinking Flacco could carry the Birds to the SB? Doubtful. Fitzpatrick? Ryan? Because its in that group that Vick belongs (at best).
Vick beat green bay in the playoffs the year they won the superbowl.. and david akers blew it… thats all im going to say
Hey Lionsden,
You state that Vick is “top 10 in this league”
Fine. Prove it. FInd me one passing stat in 2011 where vick finished in the top 10. Just one.
Comp% 19th
I am surprised Vinnie that you way overvalued VIck and what Teams would be interested …
The Miami Dolphins and Arizona Cardinals would be about it..
Bucs have a good Young QB
Vikings,Titans,Jax all invested 1st Round picks last year in their QB position
As long as Holmgrem is the boss of the BRowns, he would have no interest in Vick who is too risky with the Turnover and not disciplined eough..
OAkland & KC have experienced QB who are highly paids on their teams already and would have to move them first before considering taking on another big Contract as Vicks..
NY Jets just extended QB Sanchez and signed Tebow, no interest in Vick..
Seahawks just signed QB Matt Flynn
What game are you taling about larrwd..
Damn…I found one..
He was top 10 in interception %
That’s good right? Oh wait, its the opposite of good. Too bad.
Oh…and he was also 6th in the league in fumbles with 14. Ranking wise that’s down from 1st in the league in 2010 when he had 11. Improvement!!!
LOL
Damn, this is too easy. In absolutely no measureable way is Vick a top 10 QB in the NFL.
I was trying my best to be generous.
Vick is an ok quarterback, he has two playoff wins under his belt(Packers,Rams). But can he get it done in the big game, I mean can he make the big pass when the game is on the line.Can he make that two minute game winning drive(LIKE ELI). I just don’t know.
Pdiddy, those Playoff Wins with the Falcons were years ago, when VIck was at his athletic prime and is proabably not very relavant to his situation in 2012 whjere he is going to have to depend on his smarts, decision making and accuracay.. These are things he has not done successfully over a consistent peeiod of time over his career, but it’s the only way he will take this Eagle Team to the Championship on his 32 year old body and legs, gone are the days that Vick could take over with his legs.. He will have his moments nad big plays, but over time, he needs to prove to himself,teammates nad coaches that he can beat you with his arm and until he does, the questions will still linger on whether he has the smarts,patience and good decision making skils to do so.. He still has this to prove to anyone who follows the Sport
Vick has to grow up as a quarterback, he has to study his craft and at 32 I am not sure he can. All that running around crap has to stop, he has to learn what the D is going to do pre snap like all the great quarterbacks do. Running every once in a while would be fine, but it can no longer be his first instinct. Make the proper reads and throw the dam ball where it needs to be. He did show a glimpse of what he could do in 2010 but it was too short lived. We shall see
Pman no argument here read my next post I totally agree with you and vinnie. Oh god I think I am going to be sick lol.
I am not a Vick hater and wish him the best because when he plays well, the Eagles are damn near impossible to beat, but he has to play well and consistent and smart for them to win.. I want to see him elevate his game and his leadership.. and it’s not about being tough and playing hurt (which hurts your team) it’s about being a leader, keeping the unit together, getting in the faces of players who are not putting out on every play.. grab the bull by the horns and say let’s go.. I think he’s been a little too nice to his teammates a little too often and would like to see him fired up a little bit more which the time calls for it..
Pman agreed on all points, I am sure you have heard the expression work smarter not harder that’s what Vick has to do.
And Pman April fools to you to, I know dam well the mets didn’t trade david wright. I didn’t bother to look it up.
Hey Giant’s fan… I knew you wouldn’t miss an opportunity to disparage Michael Vick (You’re so predictable).
Now I want everyone to pay attention to the exchange that is about to take place between myself and the number one Giants fan on this site knows as vinnietheevictor.
Now I want you guys to pay attention to the fact that Mr. Giants fan claims he is a fan of the Eagles because he wants to get rid of Vick. Even thought our coach says “look… were happy with Mike… I mean.. you can ask everyone around the league except the giants right.”
Ladies and Gentlemen… I present to you statistics with full context:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/29/stories-of-the-season-michael-vick/
I’m sure some of you have seen the evaluation in this link but in case you haven’t please check it out. Here’s a couple of excerpts from the article that I think Mr. Giants fan will find particularly enjoyable:
“Take a casual glance at the numbers, pretty much any of them, and you’d be inclined to think Vick isn’t playing at the same level as he did in 2010.
Still, PFF founder Neil Hornsby included him on his recent Pro Bowl Cheat Sheet along with Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers in the NFC, and ahead of such quarterbacks as Eli Manning and Matthew Stafford.
Let’s have a look at why that might have been …
Vick: The Interceptions
So the Eagles signal caller has thrown just nine touchdowns to eight picks, hardly impressive. Looking closer at the interceptions tells a slightly different story, however…
Overall, on his eight interceptions, Vick has a -3.0 grade. He can be faulted for the interception against Atlanta, the poor throw against San Francisco, and the force over the middle against Buffalo, but much of the blame for the remaining interceptions has to go on his receivers for dropping passes and his offensive line for failing to protect him.
As is often the case with interceptions, they can be misleading. PFF’s Nathan Jahnke wrote an article to help prove that. So while Vick has been unfortunate to suffer the eight interceptions this year, he was also fortunate to only have six in 2010.
The Case for Vick
A couple of statistics stand out when analyzing Vick. The first is simply how good he is at avoiding negative plays. While he’s been under pressure on 40.3% of his drop backs, he’s only been sacked an amazing 10.4% of the time. Unsurprisingly, his three NFC competitors don’t stack up. They’ve been sacked 20% of the time (Manning), 18.8% (Stafford) and 17.2% (Newton). This ability to avoid sacks has enabled Vick to make some truly astonishing plays.
The other thing that stands out with Vick is his elite intermediate and deep accuracy. Overall on passes aimed 10 yards downfield and beyond, he’s earned a +22.5 grade. Looking at the numbers, on 25 attempts beyond 20 yards, he has 12 completions with three drops at an accuracy rate of 60%. That mark leads the league and is better than both Brees and Rodgers. It’s this ability to make stick throws in Andy Reid’s vertical west coast offense that’s resulted in a grade of +1.0 or higher on 21 of 249 passes (8.4%). In contrast, Manning, who has an impressive six touchdowns to two interceptions on passes beyond 20 yards, has just 10 plays of +1.0 on 225 passes (4.4%) accumulating most of his yardage on simpler attempts. In general, Vick’s 16.9% of negative plays and 26.9% positives stack up well with his competitors.
Of the Eagles’ losses, Vick has had them driving for the game-wining or game-tying score in two of them. Against San Francsico, Jeremy Maclin fumbled when the Eagles were in field goal range. He had also driven the team into scoring range a further three times only to see Ronnie Brown make one of the dumbest plays ever and his rookie kicker miss two relatively short field goals. We have already seen how a second-half comeback against the Bills was only stymied by Jason Avant. It’s difficult to fault Vick for not managing to engineer fourth quarter victories such as Manning’s against Arizona and Stafford’s against Minnesota when he’s been let down in key situations by his teammates.
The Case against Vick
In the Eagles’ other two losses, the Eagles have been leading in the fourth quarter before Vick was forced out of the game with injury… So far this year, being forced to leave games hasn’t been the result of reckless play, although that might be more the result of luck than judgement.
Vick: the Conclusion
So while Michael Vick may not have the best numbers this season, he’s playing better than ever. His improvement as a pocket passer since his time in Atlanta is simply astounding, even more so when you consider he spent two years in prison.”
I know this was long and yes I left out some things because I can’t post the entire evaluation but see for yourself… This article address the negatives and the positives of Michael Vick the QB and pulls no punches.
Now Mr. Giant’s Fan I DARE YOU to say you are more accurate than one of the most if not the most highly regarded pro football blogs on the net. I truly dare you. But once again I have a feeling you will prove to be what I have been calling you all along.
Shout out to my man Pdiddy…”In the words of Jay-z, men and women lie numbers don’t.” You hit it right on the head….
You guys have it right. Vick is in the bottom half of the top ten QB’s
I know you guys remember the locker room interview Vick did last when DGunner asked him about him sliding and not taking all those hits? He said He PLAYED THAT WAY ALL HIS LIFE AND HE ISNT BOTHERED BY GETTING HIT. How can an athlete who done something for over 20 years of his life change what made him what he is. He will not and can not change the way he plays because he uses his running ability to hide the fact that he does not have a high football IQ. He will always be a turn over machine especially if you call 35 to 40 pass plays a game. Its also The coaches fault. Instead of getting a real QB he keeps bringing in Gimmick QB’s that win games but cant beat the Better teams when they are hot. And it will continue next season.
Dam we all agree it’s going to snow tomorrow
Hey Giant’s fan… I knew you wouldn’t miss an opportunity to disparage Michael Vick (You’re so predictable).
Andy Reid: “look… were happy with Mike… I mean.. you can ask everyone around the league except the Giants right.” Here’s why…
Ladies and Gentlemen… I present to you statistics with full context:
Take a casual glance at the numbers, pretty much any of them, and you’d be inclined to think Vick isn’t playing at the same level as he did in 2010.
Still, PFF founder Neil Hornsby included him on his recent Pro Bowl Cheat Sheet along with Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers in the NFC, and ahead of such quarterbacks as Eli Manning and Matthew Stafford.
Let’s have a look at why that might have been …
Vick: The Interceptions
So the Eagles signal caller has thrown just nine touchdowns to eight picks, hardly impressive. Looking closer at the interceptions tells a slightly different story, however…
Overall, on his eight interceptions, Vick has a -3.0 grade. He can be faulted for the interception against Atlanta, the poor throw against San Francisco, and the force over the middle against Buffalo, but much of the blame for the remaining interceptions has to go on his receivers for dropping passes and his offensive line for failing to protect him.
As is often the case with interceptions, they can be misleading. PFF’s Nathan Jahnke wrote an article to help prove that. So while Vick has been unfortunate to suffer the eight interceptions this year, he was also fortunate to only have six in 2010.
The Case for Vick
A couple of statistics stand out when analyzing Vick. The first is simply how good he is at avoiding negative plays. While he’s been under pressure on 40.3% of his drop backs, he’s only been sacked an amazing 10.4% of the time. Unsurprisingly, his three NFC competitors don’t stack up. They’ve been sacked 20% of the time (Manning), 18.8% (Stafford) and 17.2% (Newton). This ability to avoid sacks has enabled Vick to make some truly astonishing plays.
The other thing that stands out with Vick is his elite intermediate and deep accuracy. Overall on passes aimed 10 yards downfield and beyond, he’s earned a +22.5 grade. Looking at the numbers, on 25 attempts beyond 20 yards, he has 12 completions with three drops at an accuracy rate of 60%. That mark leads the league and is better than both Brees and Rodgers. It’s this ability to make stick throws in Andy Reid’s vertical west coast offense that’s resulted in a grade of +1.0 or higher on 21 of 249 passes (8.4%). In contrast, Manning, who has an impressive six touchdowns to two interceptions on passes beyond 20 yards, has just 10 plays of +1.0 on 225 passes (4.4%) accumulating most of his yardage on simpler attempts. In general, Vick’s 16.9% of negative plays and 26.9% positives stack up well with his competitors.
Of the Eagles’ losses, Vick has had them driving for the game-wining or game-tying score in two of them. Against San Francsico, Jeremy Maclin fumbled when the Eagles were in field goal range. He had also driven the team into scoring range a further three times only to see Ronnie Brown make one of the dumbest plays ever and his rookie kicker miss two relatively short field goals. We have already seen how a second-half comeback against the Bills was only stymied by Jason Avant. It’s difficult to fault Vick for not managing to engineer fourth quarter victories such as Manning’s against Arizona and Stafford’s against Minnesota when he’s been let down in key situations by his teammates.
The Case against Vick
In the Eagles’ other two losses, the Eagles have been leading in the fourth quarter before Vick was forced out of the game with injury… So far this year, being forced to leave games hasn’t been the result of reckless play, although that might be more the result of luck than judgement.
Vick: the Conclusion
So while Michael Vick may not have the best numbers this season, he’s playing better than ever. His improvement as a pocket passer since his time in Atlanta is simply astounding, even more so when you consider he spent two years in prison.”
I know this was long and yes I left out some things because I can’t post the entire evaluation but see for yourself at profootballfocus dot com under players. This evaluation address the negatives and the positives of Michael Vick the QB and pulls no punches.
Now Mr. Giant’s Fan I DARE YOU to say you are more accurate than one of the most if not the most highly regarded pro football blogs on the net. I truly dare you. But once again I have a feeling you will prove to be what I have been calling you all along.
Shout out to my man Pdiddy…”In the words of Jay-z, men and women lie numbers don’t.” You hit it right on the head….
Yes he is one of the best I going to keep this clean for Holy week but it seems GCobb is fixated on disputing everything Mike does or says, get a life Cobb you seem to not be able to control your jealousy Vick try writing a meaningful story like the DRAFT!!!!!!!! Dan Marino never won a SB but he has a few records, Michael Vick has just about as many records that he has broken than most of these white qbs all he needs is a ring, They will never give him the credit he deserves on the field nor will you.
Dam 610 wip said that bell left without a deal dammit man.
GCobb I have a quesition for you, where would a fan rate you on a list? You tend to be very critical of everything Reid, Vick and the entire Eagles team. Fact is you played for the Eagles, didn’t recieve a SuperBowl win, but yet you complain about each and every player that comes to this team and not accomplish the highest goal, which is the Superbowl. Just wondering how many records did you break…………………my guess none, but you criticize everyone else.
Everytime Mike Vick makes a comment you attempt to be little or make an issue out of it. What did you expect or want him to say, “he was afraid Manning would take his job”. He said he was one of the best qb’s in this league, he had every right to make that comment simply because he is one of the best in the league. And for all of you who have taken the time to make a “list”, not one of the names you mentioned could do what Vick has done, meaning being out of the leagues for three years and make the comeback that he’s made. Fact is prior to signing with the Eagles Cobb and other reporters were saying he would never get those skills back, he fooled them all. Manning, Brees, Rogers etc have all be in the league non stop with the same teams for years, Vick has been with the Eagles going on the third year, the first year he was the third qb (no offseason) second year backup qb to Kolb (no training with starters) third year very minimal offseason, but now you and some of these folks on these blogs say he has to win the Superbowl or he has to go. You’re all full of it, especially you Cobb, you have a big mouth on that radio show and a big mouth with these articles.
Michael Vick has won how many NFL playoff games, total?
Michael Vick hasn’t won any playoff games… the Atlanta Falcons won two with him at QB and haven’t won a single one since he’s been gone despite having home field advantage the first year. In his second year back in the league he helped the Eagles win the division despite not coming into that year as the starter before losing to the eventual SB champion GB Packers.
Perhaps Vicky can return to the Falcons and they will enjoy renewed success.
Guys I would definitely take over Vick 1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Tom Brady 3. Peyton Manning 4. Drew Brees 5 Eli Manning 6 Philip Rivers 7. Ben Rothlisberger 8. Matt Stafford
Guys I would have to consider trading one for one for him 1. Sam Bradford 2 Matt Ryan 3 Joe Flacco 4 Tony Romo (this is painful) 5 Cam Newton 6 Andrew Luck 7 Robert Griffen III 8 Matt Schaub 9 Jay Cutler 10 Carson Palmer
Net of it is, 2011 Michael Vick was a middle of the pack QB. He was great for a a few weeks in 2010. Will we ever see that guy again?
Notice that neither Mark Sanchez nor Tim Tebow make my lists. I guess there is some consolation…
I don’t give a hoot to how many playoff he has won. Hell you people sit and complain, the man hasn’t had a full offseason with the starters since 2006, no training, of any kind. I will stand by what I said your Brady’s Bree’s etc could never make a comeback under those circumstances, regardless to how much you want to pretend they are so great. Some of you forgot that Kolb was your starter in 2010 not Vick, had it not been for Michael Vick you would have certainly had two back to back losing seasons instead of just this one. A lost season that you want to blame him for, when every player on that team had a little to do with this losing season. Now people like GCobb and others want to say this is a make it or break it year for Vick, if he doesn’t win a Superbowl, as I said some of you folks and Cobb are full of it.
I guess you really think your list means something
Peace….Vick has had “no training, of any kind” with the Eagles??? He’s been practicing with the team for 3 years. Starting for the better part of 2. How many more years does he need?
Now on to Vick’s publicist, Lionsden. Man you really go to great lengths! All that work for a guy who won’t even be on the roster next year! (do you get paid btw?) You should really ask for a percentage from the guy, you really have to dig deep!
For every Neil Hornsby article you want to quote I’ll drop a KC Joyner who mid way through 2010 wrote an article (much maligned in here of course) about how Vick’s “new” play over the first half of the year was an illusion, he was still making the sameold mistakes, but Ds hadn’t caught up as he was a bit of a suprise. Said Vick’s #s would return to the norm if he continued – they did. Or Schatz and the boys at Football Outsiders who pretty much have Vick ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league every week with mathematical metrics that will make your PFF buddy look like he’s still in grade 3. Or read any article on the very popular Walter Football….check that…don’t go there. Lets just say I’m pretty kind compared to him….and on and on. (look them up yourself)
Besides…what kind of ridiulousness was Hornsby spouting….Vick avoids negative plays?? WTF are he/you using as a definition of a negative play?
Fact: Vick has put the ball on the turf 21x over the past 2 seasons. More than any other player in the league
Fact: Vick has fumbled 57x over his last 5 seasons as a starting QB. 57!
Fact: Vick has been in the top 10 in interception percentage for his entire career (for all but 5 games last year)
Fact: Vick had a % sack rate of 5.2% (% time sacked when attempting to pass – scrambles eliminated) good from 13th in the league worse than Eli, but better than Stafford (played less than 2 full seasons) and Newton (a rookie). Well hallelujah! Vick takes less sacks then a guy with under 30 games and a rookie!! I’m impressed!!!!! (really – this is what you’re rolling with to try to prove how good Vick is?????)
Vick, is absolutely and unequivocally the king of game destroying negative plays.
Listen Lionsden, instead of relying on someone else do the math for you, why don’t you just head over to pro-football reference yourself and do your own research? I understand that math might be a little hard for you, but you should try examining things on your own, rather than constantly reference others. You never know, you might suprise even yourself!
peace112 – Iagree 100% buddy
Vick was brought in as a publicity stunt by Lurie to take headlines from the Phillies.
I don’t question his abilities nor do I question his heart as he made it thru a couple years at Leavenworth…But if playoffs are the goal, consider his play in the NFC title game vs. the Birds…How could he be mentioned as a ‘top QB’?
This will be his last shot with Birds barring a miracle.
Vick IS NOT one of the best! But what is he supposed to say “Hell yeah, bring in Peyton Manning, I stink!”? Vick has always been delusional, with his talent level & confidence. Thus the reason why he stalled with QB progression, in his career. He always relied on his natural athletic gifts, with his arm & legs, rather than hone his craft. Thus his inconsistencies, TO’s & injury history.
IMHO, my top 10-
1- Brady (arguably top 3 all time)
2- Rogers
3- Brees
4- Peyton Manning (if healthy)
5- Rivers (playoff choke)
6- Sheli Manning (F^#@ NY)
7- Rapestberger
8- Romo (playoff choke)
9- **Vick**
10- Newton (Will be top 5 if he keeps progression)
ALL above Vick, except Romo & Rivers have one thing in common. Until they prove, Romo & Rivers are great regular season QB’s, that’s all.
Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan & Sanchez, are fraudulent bums!
Tony Blowmo & Vick are debatable, at 8 & 9. Just saying… 😀
KC JOYNER???!!! Really??? KC JOYNER??? By using KC Joyner you are siting a source that is controversial at best and not very reliable. Throughout the blogosphere… KC Joyner is a JOKE Just like you are on this site!!! Here is one of the more interesting retorts to the “article” you are siting… it comes from Bleeding Green Nation:
K.C. Joyner claims that Michael Vick has made a “tremendous volume of bad decisions this season.” How does he define “bad decisions,” you might ask? He explains:
For those unfamiliar with this metric, a bad decision is defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads to a turnover or a near turnover (e.g. a dropped interception, a fumble that is recovered by the offense, etc.). Common instances of this include forcing passes into coverage, staring at receivers or not seeing zone defenders in a passing lane.
Turnovers – Obviously, we all know Michael Vick has yet to throw any interceptions this season. He has fumbled three times, losing one. So on the year, he has one turnover. Just one.
Near turnovers – By Joyner’s count:
15 of (Vick’s) passes landed in the near-interception category (a near interception being defined as a pass that reached a defender’s catching frame but was not picked off).
Here’s my extremely well-thought-out answer to that one. (Clearing throat and pulling out my notes)… Bullshit.
Staring at receivers / not seeing zone defenders in a passing lane – Ah, so Joyner knows exactly what Vick is looking at. Interesting. I know I can’t see through Vick’s facemask visor, but apparently KC Joyner can.
Michael Vick has played amazing, almost mistake-free football all season long. His decision making has been nothing short of tremendous. One of my new pet peeves of football coverage is this new trend of guys that position themselves as some sort of numbers experts, that give themselves names like “The Football Scientist.” Because K.C. Joyner counts “15 passes that landed in the near-interception category,” are we to take that as gospel? Well, let’s see them, Joyner. Put some game film behind that claim and let’s see what you’ve got. I think we’d find that on the majority of those passes, Joyner is reaching. If you’re going to disregard a player’s incredible season as “lucky,” at least put some proof into your work.
Giant’s Fan you are a FRAUD AND A JOKE. And please don’t get me started on football outsiders… with emphasis on OUTSIDERS! LOL!!!!
What the Fuck is DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) and DYAR (sorry… I can’t find what this is short for).
These dudes are former wall street hacks that couldn’t make it with the big boys… and undoubtedly some of your best buddies. On top of that they have issues with their on bullshit formulas and tell you that in many cases their formulas are LIMITED!
Again, I want to reiterate… Giants fan aka vinnietheevictor YOU ARE A FRAUD AND A BULLSHIT ARTIST.
Per KC Joyner: Peyton Manning over intellectualizes the game of football.
Joyner lists ten reasons why Peyton Manning isn’t more revered, most of which are nothing tangible and (in some cases) simply not credible. Source – SB Nation
“7. His intellectual style. I make my living by reviewing stats and other metrics, so I’m all for this approach, but even I don’t want to make the game quite as intellectual as Manning seems to want to at times. Source SB Nation
Per KC Joyner: Mike Wallace is better than Calvin Johnson
Here’s his basic argument. Mike Wallace is more productive on a per target basis than Calvin Johnson, therefore Mike Wallace is better than Calvin Johnson. However, there’s a missing link in there that Joyner fails to mention or prove. Source – Bleeding Green Nation
Per KC Joyner: The Left Tackle Position is Overrated.
This book is not worth reading for a stat-head because of its cursory reasoning and sloppy deduction. For a more general football fan who merely wants to read opinions… you could do worse. This book in many ways reads less like a book and more like several blog entries, drive by opinions that never fully delve into the heart of the matter. From a wit like Bill Simmons such reading is a pleasure, but KC Joyner lacks the chops to sustain his readers purely with his force of personality.
This is a mediocre work, lacking in any real originality or value. If you enjoy reading about football, you may well enjoy this book. If you’re looking for something more, look elsewhere. Source – Amazon dot com
I really can’t believe you sited KC Joyner… Unfriggin’ believable.
Per NFL Gridiron Gab (The official Blog of the NFL)
The 10 Best Quarterbacks In The NFL for 2012
#8 Tony Romo
#9 Michael Vick
Note from the author: This is where it gets most difficult to assess. I think Romo is better than Vick, but Romo’s got two complete wide receivers and Vick has two guys who struggle in certain situations.
So far that’s two of the top NFL blogs… you need more???
Hey Giants Fan… did I mention the fact that you don’t know what you are talking about?
“Vick, is absolutely and unequivocally the king of game destroying negative plays.” I’m sorry but you’re wrong and the most reliable NFL blogs say you are wrong. Let me re-post this again for you:
A couple of statistics stand out when analyzing Vick. The first is simply how good he is at avoiding negative plays. While he’s been under pressure on 40.3% of his drop backs, he’s only been sacked an amazing 10.4% of the time. Unsurprisingly, his three NFC competitors don’t stack up
And this one too:
The other thing that stands out with Vick is his elite intermediate and deep accuracy. Overall on passes aimed 10 yards downfield and beyond, he’s earned a +22.5 grade. Looking at the numbers, on 25 attempts beyond 20 yards, he has 12 completions with three drops at an accuracy rate of 60%. That mark leads the league and is better than both Brees and Rodgers. It’s this ability to make stick throws in Andy Reid’s vertical west coast offense that’s resulted in a grade of +1.0 or higher on 21 of 249 passes (8.4%).
I’m sorry this hurts your feelings but Pro Football Focus is more respected than any and all of your sources…
“Or read any article on the very popular Walter Football…” This is the most shocking… you are referencing a site that has Wes Welker as the MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN 2011. But take a look at what this guy says about Welker: Welker is just a slot receiver. He’s a really, really good slot receiver… There’s no denying that Welker is tremendous in New England’s system… He’s very smart and crafty, and he’s a great guy to have on a team, despite what hot supermodels may think…
The fact that you site Walter Football is interesting to me because back in the good ol’ days when you were calling DJax a punk and a thug you claimed that a) DJax would be gone (how’d that prediction work out) and b) DJax was less important to his team than Wes Welker thus making DJax more expendable, but when I read your buddy at WalterFootball he say’s you’re wrong…. I don’t know what to make of it.
Mr. Giants Fan… your visceral attitude towards Michael Vick and constant crusade to disparage him is for one reason and one reason only… You are a Bigot!