Joe Banner: Great Businessman But Terrible Public Spokesperson
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, Front Office, News Thursday, June 7th, 2012
I was told by an NFL source about Joe Banner asking a public relations expert why he was so hated by Philadelphia sports fans. He was a genius when it came to the salary cap, but he couldn’t understand why fans didn’t like his “it’s all about the bottom line” style.
In my opinion, things finally came to a head during the Eagles meetings after the 2011 season. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie took Banner’s advice about not continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result.
Lurie decided that he wanted to change the face of the Philadelphia Eagles. He saw the way the Phillies were loved and was tired of his team being the most hated sports team in Philadelphia.
This meant removing President Joe Banner as one of the faces of the organization. It also meant demanding that head coach Andy Reid become more media-friendly and available.
Reid couldn’t have been happy about the DeSean Jackson contract situation. I think he feels it could have been avoided.
The Eagles resigned all of their players and they were willing to do it without “winning” each negotiation. They were more willing to give in to their players, especially if they had been productive. Reid was on the side of not having a war with each and every player during the negotiations.
Any survey of Eagles fans or Philadelphia sports fans would show that Banner is one of the most disliked individuals in Philadelphia sports. I’ve never ceased to be amazed by the vitriol I would hear from fans at the mention of Joe Banner’s name. He seemed to always say the wrong things or the right things in the wrong way.
Banner has always been a public relations disaster.
It was always about the numbers with Banner. It’s one of the main reasons that the company is worth more than a billion dollars right now. He didn’t care how people felt about him or his business style, if the numbers were right.
If the numbers weren’t right, he didn’t care who the team was saying good-bye to and that included beloved Eagles safety Brian Dawkins. Banner didn’t mind being the bad guy, in fact he kind of liked it, but his friend and boss Lurie, hated being hated.
Lurie is a billionaire now. Thanks to Banner he has all the money he needs, but he also wants to be liked. He doesn’t want to own the most hated sports team in the city. He wants to be liked by the city and the fans.
Banner had some tremendous achievements during his tenure with the Eagles, but a good public image isn’t one of them and it ultimately cost him his job.
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songs – as a man who makes constant and non stop EXCUSES as to why you are such an ignorant screw ball, you got cast iron overies man.
you should really not say to much about others making excuses – as 1) you are the biggest douche on this board and 2) as if inteconnected to 1 – you mae more excuses in a day then anyone else makes in a year -
so here’s a deal – when you stop with the constant, non-stop, negative, whiney bullshit – and then making excuse after excuse after excuse for being a non-stop, negative whiney, bullshit making up douche – then you can comment on another human beings excuse making – sound fair?
Songs – You know the answer to that STUPID question of yours – when Jim Johnson was alive, Reid won a superbowl as an assistant coach in Greenbay, a head coaching job in Philly. More games than any Eagles coach in team history, and an NFC Conference Championship. And if the New England Cheatriots – who haven’t done smack by your standards since being forced to follow league rules – hadn’t cheated in the superbowl, Reid would probably have one a superbowl too.
FOOL
Jim Johnson was respected around the league as one of the best defensive coordinators and he freaking died of Cancer. And here you call that an excuse. Shame on you. That’s pathetic.
@bsm….I have tried to be more upbeat this offseason….and after Lauries post-season press conference, became resigned to the fact that Reid would be back this year. I hated that Castillo was allowed to come back, but understod that it was Reid making his “last stand” in his own way. BSM, aside from many of the put-downs and fat jokes, I can’t argue with alot of what you say.
After I came to terms that Reid would be back, I watched the team sign the core of their players and extend DJax & Shadey….they addressed Peters injury immediately and made a dramatic move to solve the MLB issue from last year. The draft ….at least on paper…looks strong and the reports from the OTA’s have been all positive. There have been no grumbling players and no threats of hold-outs. These are the reasons why I find re-hashing our past coaching failures as depressing, because I have allowed myself again (just like every other year) to believe that we have assembled a team that can finally get over the hump. You brought me back down to earth BSM. I really hope that you are wrong BSM, and that the talent on this team can overcome the historic mistakes of the coach.
Yep, BSM the partypoopinghater
It’s called realism schiller, do you think Banner was referring to himself when he quoted Einstein on the definition of insanity, he knew then and believs now Reid is not a super bowl coach
Jake, I do agree with your last post. Bringing back Reid this year, IMO was all about the money owed to him. Lurie is a billionaire for a reason. Loves money. And there is no way he would of been down to just pay Reid millions in his last year or the year before for that matter so that he can just see Reid sit on his ass or coach somewhere else.
jake, that’s not an Einstein quote Einstein. Second, it’s bullshit. The definition of stupid isn’t requoting an inaccurate definition of insanity – but it DAMN WELL SHOULD BE.
See, if you look in the dictionary for definition of insanity – you won’t get that. In fact, you get something quite different. And if you ask a lawyer or psychologist who actually deal with insanity, they’ll confirm that quote is far off from the truth. And reality.(for your REALISM).
SO – now that we got that stupid bullshit aside:
By your definition aren’t you insane for whiniing and bitching thinking it will give the eagles a superbowl victory?
no, just venting schiler, otherwise just a little insane thank you, and read up schiller, it is an einstein quote, might just lose your title of educated derelict
and Jake – by banner’s quote – you’re assuming that “doing the same thing” meant using the same coach. You’re putting the words in Banner’s mouth that fit your agenda. The team has DONE different things since then. So uh…yeah… give up the old lame complaints.
Jake, do some research buddy. It is NOT an Einstein quote. It’s not a Twain quote. It’s not a Benjamin Franklin quote. Nobody has EVERY BEEN ABLE TO PROVE OTHERWISE.
And furthermore it’s an incredibly STUPID quote. If that were the case, Manning shouldn’t practice routes with recievers. in fact, if that’s the case, every athelete, actor, musician, soldier, surgeon…etc would be insane. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT (or better yet permanent) NOT INSANE.
See, this is a great example of something a lot of sports fans hear and say, and then assume true – when in fact, it’s utter bullshit.
Wow – crazy – no Jake – waht BSM posted is not REALism – it is FATALism…
as for the Einstien quote – Einstien was a scientist – and the ability to recreat an experiment and get the same results is a cornerstone of the scientific method – Einstein would want the eagles to keep everything the same and change one minor detail each year until all minor details were thouroughly investigated —- and if you are CONSTANTLY changing things – and every year the eagles do change something – that does not mean the one thing that did not change is the reason you are not getting the results you wanted..
couple the fact the eagles have had MAJOR changes last year and this – even the way you are attempting to use the phrase is incorrect..
realism would be to ask – what are the chances the eagles are going to win the SB – chances are different then Odds – not in vegas here – and what are the chances the eagles win the super bowl with a new head coach next year -
I will bet you that if you ask any oddsmaker or bookie – the eagles chances will go DOWN significantly if Reid were fired or quit -
I will also bet you there would be a lot of UNrealistic comments about who the eagles could get to coach..
as for BSM – reminds me of my wife – loves to remind me of every fault and every thing I ever did wrong in out now 24 years of marriage (like – you work too hard – we never go on vacation) until I remind her we went to Hawaii last August – some people just tend to focus on the what they want and what they don;t have and what others should be doing for them..
Schill? How many Superbowls did the Patriots play in after so called spy gate?
2 Right?
How many have Reid been too since then?
Songs, nope. You can’t even count. The answer for the cheatriots is 1. For the Eagles 0.
Don’t make me tell you how many fingers you have now..
But songs, are you suggesting that it’s honorable to play in a superbowl? Cause Reid and the Eagles did that.
Guys, I got a better way of thinking about that ‘insanity’ quote – apply it to intercourse. First thrust should be an orgasm every time or we’re all insane. And all of our ancestors were. Unless you are religious, in which case, first thrust should pop out a baby each time. Either way….
Schill, you are retarded if you believe reid is anywhere near Belichick or Coughlin..Hell Tomlinson from the Steelers is better than Reid as well as both Harbaugh’s..so come on dude.
If yu want to compare Reid to a current coach then compare him to Jeff Fisher who is also a better coach than Reid…but please stop with comparing him to Coaches who knows what it’s like to lead a team all the way to the end and win the biggest prize.
Songs, Tomlinson fron the Steelers is no better than Reid. TOMLIN is though.
Reid has won way more than Jim Harbaugh as an NFL coach so don’t give me that one.
Wow – I almost missed a chance to throw the songs is a sorry sack of shit – scum bag, tap dancing little bitch -
Songs – did you really aks how many SBs did someone ‘play’ in -
Mr. I am a hardcore, bad ass, non-accepting duoche once AGAIN shows he talks pout both ends of his ASS with his constant non-stop bullshit -
PLAYING in SBs don;t count accordning to you.. or do I have to remind you how tough andbad ass you are with ‘only winning is acceptable’ bullshit you post -
god you suck
navy – he didn’t just ask that question. he asked the question and then answered it – WRONG – and its something that can be accurately researched in a matter of seconds. With a computer. Which he was obviously using.
Levels upon levels of stupidity.
Mike Tomlin replaced by LT? For shame Mr. Rooney II…for shame
Come on Songs, if you want to base your arguments on opinion fine but lets not try and coin it off as fact. By the numbers
Jeff Fischer Record:
Regular Season: 142-120 (54.2%)
Post Season: 5-6 (45.4%)
SB Appearances: 1-Loss (’85 Bears doesn’t count as he was a player and on IR in 85)
Andy Reid Record:
Regular Season: 126-81 (60.9%)
Post Season: 10-9 (52.6%)
SB Appearances: 1-Loss
mryan – very common mistake – you made the basic assumption here that Songs bases what he posts on anything other then the shit he pulls out of his ass or that falls out of his mouth – just more examples of a dude that has ZERO clue, but occasionally blunders into a right answer then talks about how he ‘predicted it’ like a broken watch……..
Reid or fisher are you kidding me that’s the standard , two losers
JAke – are you seriously fucking kidding me you insignificant little piece of shit?
What in gods name have you EVER done in this lifetime that a little speck of feces like you has the raisin balls to call a professsional NFL coach with over 100 wins a loser? Really – have you even had the nutsack to coach a middle school flag football team? Probably not – you are just one of those asshats that sits around thinking how easy it all must be – fuck stick
these guys worked there asses off to rise to the top of their profession – just to get to the pros makes them in the elite top 1% – I mean are you an all american – an olympic medal winner – a nobel prize winner – a medal of honor winner – who the fuck are you?
Dude – sad – pathetic and worthless are about the only three words that descrbie you
okay navy, maybe a bit harsh on fisher,but Reid spot on, definite loser
jake – for some reason – I find your post hysterical – have a good weekend
Jake…
List of current NFL Coaches to make a SB: Coughlin (W), Payton (W), McCarthy(W), Tomlin(W), Belichick(W), Shanahan (W), Fischer (L), Fox (L), Reid (L), Smith (L), Wisenhunt (L). (About 34% of NFL current coaches)
Record / Winning % of said coaches
Tomlin: 55-25 (.688) 1 SB Wins
McCarthy: 63-33 (.653) 1 SB Wins
Payton: 62-34 (.646) 1 SB Wins
Belichick: 175-97 (.643) 3 SB Wins
Reid: 128-81-1 (.605) 0 SB Wins
Shanahan: 154-110 (.583) 2 SB Wins
Coughlin: 142-114 (.555) 2 SB Wins
Smith: 71-71-57 (.555) 0 SB Wins
Fischer: 142-120 (.542) 0 SB Wins
Fox: 81-79 (.506) 0 SB Wins
Whisenhunt: 40-40 (.500) 0 SB Wins
Reid has the best winning percentage of any active coach not with a SB win, despite being only 2nd among active coaches lacking a SB win in games coached (behind Fisher).
98% of statistics are all made up…..Take away? I can find the numbers to support what I want to get across, but here’s a straightforward question who would you rather have at the helm?
Songs, you kill your credibility, more & more, with each of your posts. I agree about Tomlin though, he is a better gameday, coach than Reid. But the alter bowing, butt slurpers won’t agree. You need to quit while you’re ahead. You make a good point, then will follow it up with, 3 factless, baseless, crazy ones. Come on man! ROFL!!!