Comments on: Can The Phillies Still Count On Roy Halladay And Cliff Lee To Be Elite?

By: haveacigar

haveacigar — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:22:41 +0000

Just read one scouting report that says in 2008 his sinker was 93 all others say 92. Just being fair and sticking to FACTS

By: haveacigar

haveacigar — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:56:17 +0000

Type in ‘scouting reports Roy Halladay’ on your search engine you can find several scouting reports written in extensive detail and 92 is the highest number you will see. These were written after extensive research with large sample sizes. I’m sure you both have done that kind ofresearch. On top of that I’ve watched every game he’s pitched in Philly and he’s a 91-2 guy.
Use facts gentleman oh and Paul I still haven’t seen those huge offers that they could have gotten….
Oh and DCAR…agreeing with Paul that closes my case! You are a goof

By: DCar

DCar — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:45:31 +0000

Agreed 100% Paul!

By: paulman

paulman — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:25:09 +0000

I said that Hallday has not been the same Pitcher and has lost his control and movement on the ball since last late august when he pulled himseldf out of that hot,humid day pitching at Wrigley Field.. He’s not had the same control,velocity or movement on his pitches consistently since then.. I stated it back last fall, this spring and now in the summer and when I mean done, I mean done as a Ace, as a #! Pitcher and top dog of the Staff which he no longer is and really hasn’t been since late last year in my opinion

By: DCar

DCar — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:05:16 +0000

Doc, always has had a 93-95MPH 4 seam fastball, a 90-93 MPH sinker, Curve & change-up, & was always pin point with his location. His velocity is down. His sinker is down at 88 MPH, & he isn’t even attempting to through his 4 seamer anymore. Are you even watching the games. Get the facts right, before you start spewing idiocy. We better hope they both aren’t shot, because we are stuck with them. IMHO, Lee has been plagued with alot of lack of run support, the last 2 years, & that can wear on a pitcher, having to go out & try to be perfect, when you know that your team is inept, to even score you a run or two. I think he will be fine, but probably still needs to be traded in the off-season. Halladay, I’m a little more worried about. He labors every game, & his velocity & control, is bad.

By: haveacigar

haveacigar — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0000

Agreed jake Halladay is a 91-2 guy..even Paul has said he was a control and location pitcher but now he says he’s done….go figure.
I for one will take a look next spring before I declare anything….

By: jakedog

jakedog — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:10:05 +0000

Halladay’s fastball never, never averaged mid 90s, he may have touched 94, maybe 95, but he lived in the 91-93 range with late hard sink, way to early off the disabled list to come to any long term conclusions about his future, but you are free to offer a paulesque gloom and doom scenario or make shit up

By: paulman

paulman — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:53:57 +0000

Agree 100% Denny and if anyone watches Doc Pitch anymore, it takes him
like 30-40 PItches (2 Innings or so to get his arm really loose and where he starts getting some movement back on his pitches but the 1st Inning or 2 his Pitches are flat, and velocity is down and he’s getting tagged… I stated that Doc has not thrown the same since late last Summer and I stand by it and the proof is in the numbers if you pay attention to them… At 36 and his Current Salary level, Doc is not in demand trade wise and won’t be going anywhere and unfortunately, he will probably end up like a lot of old pitchers at the end of their careers like Carlton,Seaver,Pedro,Johnson which is not too effective..

By: Denny Basens

Denny Basens — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:03:14 +0000

@ haveacigar

No question the Phillies were right to go all in by acquiring Lee and Halladay. Especially when you consider the centerpiece of the Halladay trade (Kyle Drabek) has been a mess since arriving in Toronto, and is now going to be recovering from Tommy John surgery

Its more than just a dark cloud with Halladay though. As I said, with Lee there aren’t any physical issues. But Halladay’s fastball averages around 88 mph right now as compared to his typical 90s, and he can’t go deep into games as easily as he used to. His soon-to-be 36-year old body has a lot of miles on him and, contrary to popular belief, he isn’t a machine…he’s human just like everyone else.

I don’t think he’s completely cooked, he’s still got some decent pitching left in him…but the days of him anchoring a pitching staff with 20-win seasons and an ERA in the 2.00s are over.

By: haveacigar

haveacigar — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:13:54 +0000

Doc may be more attractive because he makes less and he only has one more guaranteed year ….but then again he may be moe attractive to the Phil’s for the same reason