And regarding the number one picks that was your argument clown I was just showing you how stupid that argument was.

I still wonder why Vinnie even comes to this site (or gets up every morning..lol).. I guess he is praying for the day Vick dies or whatever.. pathetic honestly..

But any rational observer can see that Vick has plenty of ability to get the job done…

the talk about how he is soo terrible is just BS..

Vick isnt any of those guys you mentioned, so that’s a lame argument. Try again pal..

As for the “he wasn’t a first round pick for nothing….” sillyness. The only reason he Vick isn’t starting for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers this weekend is precisely because he was a first round pick.

How long do you think he’s have lasted in the NFL with his numbers if he had been a 3rd rounder? I doubt he would have ever made it beyond backup (except maybe as some form of early “wildcat” QB) if he hadn;t gone number one.

“Anybody saying Vick cant play the position is just dumb… He wasnt number 1 pick for nothing. ”

David Carr?
Tim Couch?
Alex Smith?
Jamarcus Russell?
Terry Baker?

Could you imagine if we opened this up to Qb’s drafted in the top 5??

Just because you were drafted #1 does not mean a damn thing.

Not playing to Vicks strengths???? I guess no coach could ever do that because he has never put up great QB numbers

Good post Vinnie and interesting numbers. Those stats show me Vick is what he always has been. Can’t turn a elephant into an antelope. But I hope I am wrong and the elephant turns into an antelope this year.

Well, it is his fault because he’s 5′ 10″ tall.
BTW – Every single oline in the league moves backwards during pass plays. Often happens when a large object moving forward collides with another object trying to hold their position. (but I understand, physics is hard)

Those are interesting numbers when you look at Eli and VIck. Eli stunk early in his career, but he’s improved every year…can the same be said of Vick?

Why don;t you compare the two to themselves…from their 2nd seasons (when they both became full time) to their latest seasons…..and just for you …..I’ll include stupid rushing yrds and td totals

Eli season 2 to season 8
Comp % 52.8 to 61….up 8.2%
passing TDs 24 to 29….up 5
td% 4.3 to 4.9…up .6%
rushing tds 1 to 1
total tds 25 to 30…..up
passing yrds 3762 to 4933…up over 1000yrds
rysh yards 80 to 15….down 65 yards (a good thing!!!)
total pass and rush yrds…..still up over 1000 yrds
ints 17 to 16
int % 3.1% to 2.7% down .4%
yrds/att 6.2 to 8.1….up almost 2 yards
rating 75.9 to 92.97 points….up 17 points

suffice it to say he’s improved in every area (from a guy we all laughed at his first few years)

Now Vick season 2 to season 8
comp % 54.9 to 59.8….up 4.9% (still under 60 – not as much improvement as Eli)
pass tds 16 to 18….up 2 (18….what a f-ing joke in today’s NFL)
rush tds 8 to 1….down 7
total tds 24 to 19….down 5
td % 3.8% to 4.3%…up .5% (an improvement here)
passing yrds 2936 to 3303….up about 370 yrds
rushing yrds 777 to 589….down about 280 yrds
total yrds…….up about 90 yrds (wow – what an improvement!)
ints 8 to 14….up 6
int % 1.9 to 3.3….up 1.4%…isn;t this fun to read!!!! BTW – Vick’s career avg is only 2.8 because of the 2 outlying seasong….3.3 is his avg)
yrds/att 6.9 to 7.2….up another whopping .3%
rating 81.6 to 84.9….whoopee!!

You’d think that going from a “rushing team” in ATL (your words), to a passing team like the Eagles, you’d see a bit more of an improvement in the passing #s wouldn’t you? But aside from a little improvement in % and td%

Same as he ever was. Shit.