Comments on: Is It Time To Shut Down Vance Worley?

By: DCar

DCar — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:35:40 +0000

Paul, what part of, he was pitching with bone chips & loose bodies in his arm, don’t you understand?!? Last year, he was a breath of fresh air, & very good, especially for a rookie. You are over thinking, & overreacting, waaaay too much. His stats are nearly identical from last year. The differences are, he’s hurt, he’s nibbling, he lost MPH on his FB, has given up 40 more hits, thus 20+ more runs, & the team around him BLOWS!!!! Other than that, his stats are nearly identical. He will be fine, once he gets his arm cleaned out, rests, & rehabs. He is a very good, young, 3-4 starter.

By: bugsyhawk

bugsyhawk — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:07:21 +0000

Again, how in depth do you need to get? He has had a bad season, but he needs surgery. One good year and one bad. That is why I want to see what he can do next year.

By: paulman

paulman — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:48:05 +0000

No I would not Zolteck for a Team Wnng 90-95Games, Problem i, te Phils are not that type Team anymore and and more of a 80-85 Win Team which means your 4th & 5th Pitchers are probably more like 7-8 WIns as Wins come harder to getfor all the Pitchers

By: zoltek

zoltek — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:18:15 +0000

paulman, you would complain with 10-12 wins from your 4th starter? worley is not an ace, and is a 4th or 5th starter type pitcher with 3rd starter upside.

why does everyone have to be steve carlton ?

By: paulman

paulman — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:22:31 +0000

Let’s dig deeper on Worley’s performance in 2012

in 23 Starts – 133 Innings Pitched (5.8 Innings Average per Outing)
154 HIts given up, (not good), 12 HR’s (not bad), 47 Walks and 107 Strikeouts
Worley is not a power Pitcher so his Strikeout #’s wll never be high..But his Walks and Base Hits given up are not very good.. He also averages about 95 Pitches thrown a Start adn when your pitching less theen 6 Innings and throwing that many means you are inefficient and don’t have control issues which puts the Batters into better COunts to sit on his average Fastball
This is how I look at it Jake.. He’s more of a #4/#5 PItcher on aStaff who will compile close to .500 Win-Loss Record, an ERA in the 4.25 – 4.50 Range which are a dime a dozen when you rellay think about it.. Very similar to Kyle Kendrick in my opinion..

By: jakedog

jakedog — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:44:26 +0000

Paulman, worley’s stuff is not below average as you have described it is MLB average, he needs to command his two seam fastball, which has decent movement, right now, no command, and then as you say the hitters feast on his fastball when he gets behind in the count when he tends to groove the pitch

By: paulman

paulman — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:55:37 +0000

A junk ball Pitcher who may actually be better suited for the Bullpen for an Inning or 2 similar to what Chad Durbin used to do for the Phils a couple years back.. He relies on getting batters out with his curve ball and if he does not have full command of it, he’s in trouble since his Fastball is mediocre and only in the
mid-upper 80′s which is not going to get MLB Hitters out a 2nd and 3rd Time thru the line-up…

By: bugsyhawk

bugsyhawk — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:34:23 +0000

Yeah, I am not ready to give up on him yet. No one here knows how much that injury is affecting him. I am very comfortable with him at the 4. Who else are they going to sign that is better and with what money? Pitching isn’t going to be a priority. I agree with DCAR though, they need to see what Cloyd can do in the show

By: jakedog

jakedog — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:27:59 +0000

If the phils need to rely upon Worley in 2013, then they are in trouble, his stuff is average, lack of command, hitters now have a book on him, unless he figures it he will be a poor man’s version of Kendrick

By: Butch007

Butch007 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:52:36 +0000

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