But speaking in regards to this article and this article alone, you weren’t that objective, you basically gave the play calling and O line a pass, stated in the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph, and this is what I’m speaking of….

Also, you praised Celek, who had a dropped TD pass, the last game, a dropped 3rd down pass, and an offensive penalty on a TD pass (although that call was BS) is it not fair to criticize Celek? then you said he should get more involved, stop keeping him into block etc…who’s in charge of this, the coach, play calling…

But then you went on about DJAX not playing well…but then said the coaches have to get him the ball. who’s in charge of that the coaches, play calling…

Then in regards to Shady, you say the poor play of the offensive line has limited his performance….

So again, how can you attribute the play calling and the O line to the success to every other player, but Vick???

Also you stated is it ok to criticize a player when:

Promised to work hard on eliminating the flaws in his game in the off-season, and yet those same issues seem unchanged from a year ago.

I’d really like you to elaborate out on this….and explain how Vick has not worked hard, due to not playing well against the blitz, not taking unnecessary hits, executing game winning drives, getting the ball out quickly, but still getting hit..so other than his turnovers, what have you seen from his play that would make you say he hasn’t worked hard to take care of his flaws………

This is from my post-game article after the Lions loss.

“Playcalling is usually a pretty big issue when the Eagles lose a game, and today was no exception.

Andy Reid and Marty Morhinweg saw a weak Detroit secondary that they felt they could take advantage of. They made their primary focus to put the ball into Michael Vick’s hands as much as possible, and take as many shots down the field as they could. They wanted to try and reestablish this offense’s lost identity as a big play unit. Several years ago the Eagles were able to regularly rip off pass plays greater than 50-yards, but this year the deep passes have practically disappeared from the offense.

The two offensive coaches didn’t seem to realize that their offensive line just wasn’t up to the challenge of blocking a ferocious Detroit pass rush. Michael Vick had very little time to throw the ball throughout the game, and spent a good deal of it on the ground after taking some vicious hits.

The coaches were also unable to establish a running game, and gave LeSean McCoy just 14 carries. To give your best player such a limited amount of touches in inexcusable.

Reid’s team is now 3-3, and he’s got to do much a better job of putting players in position to succeed over the final 10 games if he hopes to remain the coach of this team for another year.”

This from my post-game article after the Giants game.

“Michael Vick played an encouraging game tonight. He wasn’t sharp from start to finish, and there were a couple of throws that he’d like to have back, but he didn’t turn the football over for the first time all season, and used his legs to make a couple of big plays to keep drives alive.

Vick carried the ball six times for 49 yards, using his natural speed and quickness to blow by defenders and pick up some important first downs. The quarterback’s play tonight reminded me a little bit of some of his fantastic efforts from 2010. He kept his mistakes to a minimum, and he looked much more comfortable tonight because he played a little more like the Michael Vick of old, and not the Vick that has been confined to the pocket in the early parts of the season.

Balanced Offense Results In Victory

With Michael Vick not carrying as much pressure on his shoulders, the quarterback was able to play what might have been his best game of the season.

LeSean McCoy and the running game struggled to get off of the ground early, but Reid stuck with the run and eventually McCoy and his blockers began to wear the Giants down and rip off longer runs late in the game. Andy even got a couple of other running backs involved in the act, splitting six carries between Bryce Brown and Stanley Havili.”

This from the post-game article after the Cardinals loss.

“This Was Andy At His Worst

Andy Reid called a great game in Week 2 against Baltimore. He made a concentrated effort to establish the run early in the game, taking pressure off of Michael Vick and setting the quarterback up for success later in the game.

Today, Reid was uninterested in getting the ground game going. While the game was close, the head coach called just five running plays in the first half. With the offense predictable, the Cardinals were able to take advantage of Vick’s inability to read a blitz, and teed off on the veteran all day.

Can anyone justify Reid’s decision to kick a field goal on fourth and five in the second half? It was easily the most baffling, bizarre decision in the game. A field goal that late in the game with the team down by three touchdowns does very little good. The Eagles needed a touchdown to have serious ideas about coming back and tying the game. Reid may as well have waved the white flag right then and there.”

This is from the post-game article after the Baltimore game.

“Vick did finish the game with a total of three turnovers, but two of them weren’t his fault. His second interception was the result of a tipped pass that went off of the hands of Brent Celek and into the arms of Ed Reed. The quarterback was also credited for a fumble in the redzone on a botched exchange to LeSean McCoy, but I thought McCoy didn’t do a good enough job to secure the ball and was the one at fault.

I’ve been as critical of Vick as anyone, but this is a week to praise him. He spent the week hearing all of the doubters (myself included) criticize his game, but he came out an executed his plays very well for the most part, and led the team on a game-winning touchdown drive for the second week in a row, and there’s something to be said for that.”

Honestly, I like to think I evaluate pretty fairly for the most part. Vick is an athlete that a lot of people either love or hate, and there’s little middle ground, so when one side hears or reads something they don’t want to hear or agree they get ideas about the person’s objectivity that are far from reality. Hopefully this changes your mind a little mind bit, but if not hey I really appreciate you reading and I look forward to continue debating with you!

Is it unreasonable to criticize a player who…

1. Plays a position that’s more critical to the success of the team than any other. NO PROBLEM CRITICIZING BUT WHEN YOU SIMPLY DISMISS ALL OTHER ISSUES THAT IMPACT THE SUCCESS OF A PLAYER PLAYING THAT POSITION, ITS ABSURD! proof is in what you wrote in this article, and you clearly stated you were giving the O Line and play calling a pass in regards to Vicks production or lack there of….

2. Promised to work hard on eliminating the flaws in his game in the off-season, and yet those same issues seem unchanged from a year ago.
FALSE!!! WHO SAID HE HASN’T WORKED HARD? WHAT SAME ISSUES ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? CANT BE TURNOVERS, SINCE POINT 3 IS ABOUT HIS TURNOVER ISSUES…..SO, WHAT AGAINST THE BLITZ? LAST 3 GAMES MUCH IMPROVED, ONE OF THE TOP RANKED QBRS AGAINST THE BLITZ, LAST 3 GAMES….TAKING UNNECESSARY HITS? LEADING HIS TEAM TO GAME WINNING SCORING DRIVES? YEA HE’S STILL TAKING UNNECESSARY HITS, BECAUSE THE O LINE CAN’T BLOCK. THE MAN GETS HIT EVEN WHEN THE BALL IS OUT QUICKLY AT TIMES, RIGHT OR WRONG? THE ONLY THING THAT HAS HURT VICK THIS SEASON IS HIS TURNOVERS. HAS HE MOVED THE BALL, HAS THE TEAM BEEN IN POSITION TO WIN GAMES?
you’re here to inform the masses and to be objective, do your job! yes turnovers are bad, QB number 1 job is to take care of the ball…imagine how much worst it could be, if Vick wasn’t improving against the blitz, wasn’t moving the ball, was taking unnecessary hits, was scrambling not allowing his WR’s to have a chance, did not lead his team on 3 4th quarter game winning drives……..

Vick has made bad decisions which has led to turnovers, has nothing to do with work ethic or “promise to work on his flaws” as a person who is seeing the whole I notice there have been improvements in other areas!

3. Isn’t playing well and is turning the ball over at a league leading rate. ISN’T THIS ALONG THE SAME LINES AS YOUR POINT 2 ABOVE…TURNOVERS IS THE PROBLEM FACING THE QB AT THIS MOMENT, NO DOUBT…TELL ME AND EVERYONE ELSE SOMETHING WE DONT KNOW…LIKE SOMETHINGS I MENTIONED IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POINT 2….

It’s fair to say that I should have been more thorough in this article, and gone into more detail about how they’ve impacted Vick’s success, but I’ve criticized the offensive line and playcalling plenty of times in other articles. To quote the head coach, “everyone gets a piece of the pie.” There’s no doubt they’ve been major issues as well, but the fact is that Vick hasn’t done himself many favors.

Honestly, there’s no agenda or personal dislike towards Vick as a man. The bottom line is that he isn’t playing well, and deserves criticism, just like everyone else. Is it unreasonable to criticize a player who…

1. Plays a position that’s more critical to the success of the team than any other.

2. Promised to work hard on eliminating the flaws in his game in the off-season, and yet those same issues seem unchanged from a year ago.

3. Isn’t playing well and is turning the ball over at a league leading rate.

When he’s played well, I’ve given him his due. See my post-game articles from the Ravens and Giants games. I’d love nothing more than to see him turn it around, and prove that the guy we saw in 2010 was the real Michael Vick, but the fact is he’s proving more and more that the guy we saw in 2010 for half of a season was indeed just a mirage.

Falcons,Bears,Giants,49ers & Packers
(and I would still not count out the Saints though they have a deep hole to climb out of and little room for error)

Other NFC Teams like the Eagles,Cowboys,Redksins,Vikings,Lions,Cardinals,Seahawks are all about .500 Teams give a take a game and way are too inconsistent and have poor QB play to really be a legitimate contendor and then Teams like the Panthers,Bucs,Rams are rebuilding just trying to learn how to Win…

Another Season lost by the Eagles by Halloween time just like last Season… This Franchise is becoming a Joke again around the NFL.

You said “Just cause Vick drops back 7 steps and takes 3.5 seconds (longest in the league) for a “play to develop” does not mean he has to”

This is bullshit, before it was Vick won’t stand in the pocket and wait for a WR…not the bullshit is he is holding the ball too long…GTFO with this nonsense…

@Paulman First of lets get this straight, I’m not making excuses, there is no excusing Vick and his turnovers……But all this other nonsense, thats been said of Vick, he can’t read the blitz, he can lead the Eagles on a game winning drive, he doesn’t get the ball out quickly, IS FALSE! if you want to trash him for the turnovers then so be it!

@Vinniethesister – My man love? now see I left you alone about having “sugar in your tank” sister! if anything you are the one that only comments on Vick’s articles and can only hold a discussion about Vick….thats what I call man love! But I’ll entertain your selectively ignorant ass…. Packers O line is nowhere near as bad as the Eagles O Line..who has lost two starters and one of the best offensive linemen in the entire league…The fact that Vick gets hit on short passes, when he gets the ball out quickly has nothing to do with the offensive line? The fact the RB can’t get running lanes, has nothing to do with the offensive line?

Also Vinniethesister – A QB being sacked doesn’t equate to “hits”….Rodgers is sacked more than Vick, however he is not hit more…and Vick being hit doesn’t always revolve around him holding the ball too long as you suggest…THAT IS FACT!

@Haveacigar – Bleep Whittlock…how about you read Baldinger, in fact go to the Eagles.com or listen to there is an interesting upload about Vick against the blitz.what Kurt Warner has to say about the play calling and the O Line…. Also take a look at the Andy Reid press conference, where he pretty much states the same thing I have been saying about the play calling helping the QB….

you cats are a bunch of negative nancies, and I honestly wouldn’t expect anything more. It is what it is. you choose to talk negative about the QB and the Eagles, I choose the positive route! kiss my ass!

QBs make coaches (Paulman said this earlier). Is Harbaugh in Balt a good coach…I dunno. But I do know they aren’t going to win a SB anytime soon with Flaccid at the helm. You know this too. How was Bellichek in Cleveland? How is he now with a 36 yr old and fading Brady? How was Parcells in Dallas with Kitna, and a young Romo? A good coach can elevate a team, and can win with a competent QB (see NYG – Simms) Vince Lombardi would be unsuccessful with Mike Vick at the Helm.

Vick is a coach killer. And just like a mistake was made moving the Oline coach to D, so too was a mistake made in hoping that this erratic, occasional big play, fumble machine could somehow transform into a functional (even elite) NFL QB. The admin admitted one mistake, now time to admit the other. Its time for the Birds to cut bait.

Now this won’t happen till after the Monday night game for obvious reasons (though I expect we’ll see a Foles sighting for a quarter or 2 over the next couple of weeks)NFL QB.

Oh and…”the offensive line and play calling has a something to do with QB success”

There are 2 problems with this statement….
1) The flip side to this is QB play has something to do with OL success….a lot to do with it. Vick’s olines have amazingly been terrible in all 3 of his “eras” Reeves, Nolan, and Reid. Now….if the Vickpologists are to be believed, its because all the coaches, and all the linemen he’s ever had have all sucked. Each and every one. And only through the grace of Vick’s God-given talent has he been able to rise above all the mediocrity he’s been surrounded by. What a joke.

2) I absolutely love all the “playcalling” business. You watch one highlight on NFL.com where some guys go deep and assume that all Reid and MM call are “all go!” plays or something.

The way Realtalk paints it, the Birds have a 1 page offensive playbook with 4 red arrows running straight from the LOS to the top of the page. No football team is coached this way. None. Ever. Teams attack levels. Short, Med, long…route trees. Just ’cause Vick drops back 7 steps and takes 3.5 seconds (longest in the league) for a “play to develop” does not mean he has to. For the most part he’s choosing to pick that deep WR himself.

BTW Bingo Cigar. Hasn’t Rodgers just gone for 75% 9tds and 0 ints over his last 2 despite being the most sacked QB in the league?

Vick stinks.