Herremans Done For The Year, McCoy Misses Practice, Nate Allen Practices
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, General News, News Wednesday, November 7th, 2012
The Eagles coaches will be hard pressed to find a way to keep DeMarcus Ware and his defensive teammates out of the Birds offensive backfield. The Eagles offensive line has only one remaining player from last year’s starting unit.
Todd Herremans was placed on injured reserve today and will miss the rest of the season. Herremans has tendon damage in his right foot. Justin Vandervelde took Herremans place on the roster. So the Birds are missing four of the five offensive line starters from a year ago. Herremans, left tackle Jason Peters is out with an Achilles tendon tear, center Jason Kelce had ACL surgery and right guard Danny Watkins is out with a mysterious ankle injury.
Running back LeSean McCoy missed practice today because he was ill. He’s expected to be available for the game this Sunday versus the Dallas Cowboys.
Nate Allen practiced this afternoon, while last week’s starter at Allen’s safety position, David Sims missed practice today with a foot injury.
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Missed my point Vinnie big time. Jake please if Foles is our future no way you play him behind that line. Unless you want him destroyed.
Vinnie u did miss it.
sure Super Bowl champions passed in the playoffs but they also rushed it is called balance. in the SB last yr Giants Bradshaw rushed 17 times, 28 total rushes for G-men, the NFC game, Bradshaw 20 rushes, total 27(Jacobs had 9) Packers playoffs 2 years ago, same thing. Starks against us, 23 rushes(total 32) against Falcons 25 rushes(total 31) against Bears 22(32 total)
now we have to go back 3 years last time andy had us in a playoff game(just 1)
McCoy 12 rushes. and we were in one playoff the year before against the Cowboy(we lost badly) McCoy 5 carries reid called for a total of 13 runs. yes, SB champions run down your throat compared to what reid does
simple math is Packers 3out of 4 playoff games had 30+rushes with backup RB
Giants almost avg 30 in their last two playoff games.
Andy reid,,lol,…….in two playoff games McCoy avg 8.5 carries/gm funny thing is mcCoy ave 5+yds a carry and Starks 3.5yd/gm
Heres the deal…. i dont care about Vick but some of the things you guys say are amazing…..
Jake- “you never see him step up in the pocket”.
What pocket? Most of the abuse he’s taking this year is coming from str8 up the middle.
Listen, i get it…. hes bad…. no argument here. But enough with this idea that all we need is a QB. You guys are screaming about our qb when he’s like the 5th problem we have on this team…. how many drives to start the game did ATl score on? Can you even name all the guys on our oline this week? Special teams is a joke AGAIN this year. Dropped passes? We lead the league in rushes that go nowhere and we dont even run that much. No full back to help chip. No pass rush.
Because of the play of both our Oline and our D line… i dont think we have a clue as to what we have. Ive seen enough of Mike Vick to know i dont like that style of play… and i would be fine to move on from him but…… Foles… or Warner…. or whoever you want to put back there would do NOTHING behind this line. On D….. i dont care who you have in the back 7 if you cant even sniff the qb..
The truth of the matter is this….. WE have no time at all back there to get anything going…. THEY (any team) has all day to sit back there and pick us apart. Until this gets better….. talking about the qb means NOTHING.
unfortunately that goes with the job, not just in philly but everywhere. the QB gets too much credit with a win and too much blame with a loss. no matter who he is.
Not always Havea….. how much credit did winning qb’s on teams like Ravens, Bears get when they went to the superbowl. How much credit is Alex Smith getting right now? Big Ben has won how many rings and he’s never noticed as elite.
disagree– trent dilfer went from an average joe to a lead analyst on ESPN, Jim McMahon was a rebel and wouldn’t want to be popular and big ben is commonly referred to as a top 5 QB by most any credible rating outlet.
i guarantee if smith throws 2 picks in the nfc champ game he will get crucified and he was almost run out of town twice. the focus is always on the QB– always…its a QB driven league.
But in Philly…. especially under Andy Reid…… its always about the QB. Thats how he builds his teams, its been his main focus. He puts all his chips on his athletic QB’s to save the day. Broken ribs? Screw it…… lets keep firen em off. Broken leg? Screw it… you have 2…. lets keep firen em off. No WR”S….. thats ok….. just keep firin em off. No Oline?….. thats ok… just keep looking for that huge gain. Winston Justice getting beat all night? Its ok…. no chip block…. just let er rip!!…. What… we have a great RB? Better save em in case we sniff the playoffs…… made the playoffs?? Save the RB for the superbowl. Its a joke….. “Got to put them in a better position”… sounds good…. hire Gruden… or Horton.
Anyone notice who was blocking for QB Luck last evening’s game vs Jaguars
Starting at Center AQ Shipley, Starting RG Mike McGlynn… and RT Winston Justice did not play last evening due to an ankle injury but is their Starter when he returns..
Rookie QB Luck has been sacked 21 Times in 9 Games (362 Pass Attempts)
10 Year Vet QB Vick 27 Times in 8 Games (307 Pass Attempts)
and the sad part is….. some of these young/new fans buy into that. Its all the QB because coach said so. There is no need for a team because guys like Favre won all those rings by himself (1 ring). Guys like Brees have butt loads of rings (no). The poster boy for this is Brady. Illl buy that… i have q’s about the cheating thing but…. ill buy that. But they fail to look at the stats on Brady in the superbowl games. Did he have some help on special teams? Did he benefit from some of the crazy stuff the coach does (3-4/4-4 D switch at the superbow)? Its a team sport guys. The good TEAMS usually win.
No it isn’t “all” about the QB, but it always starts (and ends) with the QB.
What paulman is trying to say is that the QB makes the oline. Look at the colts…they have backups to old Eagle rejects playing Oline and they’re doing fine. Why? Because the QB helps them.
Our QB is detrimental to the oline performance. They may be bad, but MV makes them worse.
And all the talk of “any other QB would do nothing” is pure speculation. All we know for sure is that Mike Vick does nothing with this line. I’d like to see how someone else performs behind the same circumstances before I go making any proclamations about how anyone would suck behind them….because I believe that a different style of QB might very well result in different results.
There is one other thing the switching QB can do at this point.
Hope.
Right now there is none. The fans don’t have any. The coach doesn’t look like they have any. And from what Kelce said this week, I don’t think many players on the Birds have any either.
Talent level between players on any NFL roster is a lot closer than some of you believe. WRs aare WRs, TEs TEs….look at sudden
Except at QB. Where there are good QBs and there are bad QBs. Good QBs raise the level of their team, bad QBs drag them down.
Superstar Victor Cruz…who was he 3 years ago? Doyou think he’d be doing what he’s now doing on the Eagles.
Could you imagine Desean and Maclin on the Pats?
Who was Demaryius Thomas last year?
Do yyou think Thomas makes Manning,or the other way around?
And suddenly the Colts are winning….why…I can tell you…because back in mini camps they saw Luck…they saw the promise…the fans saw it…the coaches saw it….and what happens? 10 more miins in the weight room. One more lift. 15 more ons studying…less texting during meetings…hope.
Right now, that after the 3rd play last week when the Eagles’ oline turned around and saw Vick on the ground and the ball 10 yrds behind, there was a few shoulders that slumped….”not again….”
I can pretty much guarantee that Howard Mudd hates Vick.
A new QB will not solve all the Eagles’ woes. It won’t solve the probs at tackle, it won’t make the wrs grow taller, it won’t make Reid call less passes, but right now….more than talent….the culture on the Eagles needs to be changed. And it isn’t going to change when they keep rolling out MV& and he spends the first 3 quarters of the game doing his best to keep both teams in it.
coaches matter too, Brady SBs won they were more balanced Patriot teams back then(great LBs too) Brady is at his best when there is balance and that means the play calls.
Remember SB Cowboys and Bills and Cowboys were losing. What did Jimmy Johnson do, that’s right Emmit gave it to Emmit. Big question that was a coach making a vital decision in a playoff game. Would Andy do that
@Paulman, did you watch the Colts game last night? you’ve got to be kidding me if you didnt notice the difference in protection. There weren’t guys coming untouched, D linemen at that..I know what you are trying to imply, but why can’t it be the Eagles O Line(backups) is just simply not better than the Colts O Line. QB is the only thing to talk about I guess…
Spoken directly from a member of the offensive line….Kelce
“There have been games where the hits have been on Mike, and there have been games where the hits have been on everybody else. This past Monday, that was the offensive line,” said Kelce. “The offensive line really didn’t do a very good job. Mike has had games where he could identify better, but I don’t think that game in particular was one of those. I think the offensive line just did a poor job of blocking, even just regular four-man rushes at times.”
I wonder why the panthers didn’t send many (any) zero blitzes? You think they would amp up the pressure against an inexperienced QB!
Your sarcasm, is foolish! you mean the Jaguars…the Jaguars just don’t have the personnel. They have one of the worst passing defenses in the league…coaches have to be pretty confident in coverage to send blitz after blitz. Again, the Jaguars did blitz the “inexperienced QB you speak of, and their O Line did a pretty solid job of protecting him.. Zero sacks is a pretty good indication that the Colts O Line did a solid job in protection.
Also rushing, the Eagles have 5 more plays that went for negative yards than the Colts…I know our RB is a waaaaayyyyy better than any RB on the Colts team…Only one other team has more negative yards on rushes than the Eagles…..the AZ Cardinals, and they only have given up 1 more negative rush…
The saints were about 30th in the league before Vick and the birds made them look like the 85 bears. They didn’t blitz because the QB is SMART! A novel concept around here. The rook would have torched them! The saints defense blows against the league but is great against the idiot
The colts line is not great. I admit the birds line blows but the qb has to make them pay for zero blitz…. Our guy reads like an illiterate
Unreal let’s agree that Vick, rg3, and luck are better than Alex smith. You are the coach of the 49ers and you are heading to thelayoffs with the SB in your sights rank the 4… Your job depends on it.. I go luck, rg, smith and Vick… To win with a great defense
then why pass 47 times
Because you camt run behind that line!
help your struggling QB and o-line out
round and round we go…. “No it isn’t “all” about the QB, but it always starts (and ends) with the QB”.
This is an easy one- False.
How many Super Bowl titles does Dan Marino have?
how about all those great names like Favre, Manning and such….They all have what 6 SB’s a piece?
This is the lie that some of you chose to lap up each and every day.
Take the year we went to the SB as an example. Would you argue that McNabb made T.O. great or that T.O made macnabb great? Id argue that they helped each other. You know what else helped? The RB. Westy helped them TONS. I will even argue that Pinky opened things up by getting deep. I know we like to bash him but he helped them that year. It did not “begin and end” with the QB that year. Runyan helped…. Tre helped. That team WAS BUILT to win. Did we win it all? No… but they were a great team.
There is NO question that the QB is the most important guy on the field. Especially in todays NFL. But teams have shown over and over again that you need a good TEAM.
Why are the bears winning games? Solely on Cutler? no.
Why are the 49ers winning games? All because of Alex Smith? no.
Why are the saint losing games? All because Brees has lost a few steps? no
Why arent the redskins winning games every week? All because RG3 blows? no
Yes… an elite QB can make up for a lot of woes. Manning was the reason those Colts were good…. not Mudd and his line. Brady puts the Pats in the running most years just cause he’s brady. But to win SB’s in this league you have to have more than a QB to win….. the eagles right now…. HAVE NOTHING.
“I’d like to see how someone else performs behind the same circumstances before I go making any proclamations about how anyone would suck behind them….because I believe that a different style of QB might very well result in different results”. Vinnie
we tried that sis, remember? We had a system guy in here. He had the same weapons to work with. We were going to use 3 step drops and fire the ball out quick. He’s a coaches son so he was smart… remember? His line was made up of some of the same starters. If anything…. that line was better. Do you remember how that turned out?
Change the quarterback, watch everything else get miraculously better
jake, how’s about we change the entire coaching staff, then watch everything else get miraculously better. Vick is down on my list of issues. 14 F^#@ING years of ifs, &s, buts, excuses, & scapegoats. I sick & tired of it. All you goofballs do, is argue everyday over the useless, inept QB! Who makes ALL the decisions?!? Until that fat, clueless, nitwit is gone, it doesn’t matter if Montana, Elway, Brady, or Marino are QBing.
Garbage
Vince Lombardi wouldn’t have won here with MV at the helm., yet Reid would have won a SB if he had had a Brady, yMontana, or Young running the O.
Jake it won’t get better.
jake, i think vick stinks but who the hell is foles? i don’t get it…
i bet you were a hoying, garcia, feeley fan.
let the ship sink with vick. let the new coach decide if foles can play.
Lets make the switch to Shaggy…2 things will happen
1. I can plug a tampon into Vinnie
2. Rakedog rill be rappy…… Rooby Dooby Doooooooo
Vinnie
“Garbage-Vince Lombardi wouldn’t have won here with MV at the helm., yet Reid would have won a SB if he had had a Brady, Montana, or Young running the O”.
How do you know any of this? Just a few posts ago you claim that….”. I’d like to see how someone else performs behind the same circumstances before I go making any proclamations”
yet……. You say if Reid had this guy or that he would win it all?!! Wow…. amazing.
Ill say it again…… none of this QB talk matters at all. We have no Oline to hold anyone and we have no D line to put pressure. And above it all we have a coach/guru/all powerful ozz that put this team together. So in order from 1-3 our main problems are….
1. Coach
2. Oline
3. Dline
after that i think we need to look at the fact that we still have Marty calling the shots on O and perhaps the Juan mess as 4 and 5. Perhaps we take a trip under center for #6..
You are wrong mr,. Stevo, in preseason Vick took 12 snaps sacked in about 5, nick foles behind the same o line was not sacked in over 70 , what does that tell you, Vick does not read the blitz, can’t audible correctly, he is one tough son of a bitch, but no smarts, none, dumber than mcnabb, that’s saying a lot , put foles in and magically the o line gets better
Good rip gotta, but shaggy? C’mon you can do better than that
jake…
first off… when trying to make a point about a football players ability…. never use the word “preseason”.
2ndly-u realize that the only starter left is the lg.. right?
3rd- Vick has been fine against the blitz…. your stats are from 2 years ago. The issue is not against the blitz.. its against a normal 4 man rush when hes not expecting 2 or 3 guys to walk on in untouched.
Listen, im praying Foles is the next Brady… believe me I am BUT… i for one am very glad we arent throwing him in behind this poor excuse of a back up line.
and heres the bigger point…. Andy is doing EVERYTHING he can to save his job. EVERYTHING. Hes even fired guys and yet,,,, sticks with Vick… what does that tell you? He says that Foles isnt ready.
And there’s the rub….by Reid’s actions he “says” Foles isn’t ready….and that’s good for you…
You’ll rip Reid over playcalling
You’ll rip Reid over oline and dline personel
You;ll rip Reid over in game adjustments
You’ll rip Reid over game managment and timeouts
You;ll rip Reid over appointing coaching positions
You;ll rip Reid over GM decisions
But when Reid sticks with Vick….well clearly he’s trying to save his job and is making the proper decision to save it….. clearly Vick is the better options…….who would question that? Reid says Foles is not ready….good enough for you eh Stevo…..everything else Reid does is wrong….except for this one thing.
Doesn’t matter…Foles starts the second half tomorrow and we’ll be done with the VIcksperiment for good.