I think Nick Foles is going to be the Eagles starting quarterback this Sunday against the Washington Redskins because Michael Vick didn’t seem very steady after the game as he walked out of Lincoln Financial Field. He sustained a concussion and in all likelihood he will miss next week’s game. After that we’ll have to wait and see.
As for the rookie’s play against the Cowboys, I thought Foles did a decent job of taking over as the Birds quarterback in their loss to the Dallas Cowboys. He made some good decisions and he made some poor decisions but I think Foles showed that over time he might be able to become a very good NFL quarterback.
Does that mean he’s going to be able to lead the Birds to the playoffs this year or next year or the year after that? There’s certainty of that and of how good he could become, but you do see some of the ingredients needed to be a NFL quarterback.
Foles was 22 out of 32 for 219 yards with one touchdown and one interception. For a seasoned quarterback this was a spotty and shakey performance at best, but for a rookie who was snatched off the bench at the last minute, Foles did a decent job.
The touchdown throw to Jeremy Maclin showed one of Foles’ strengths. In the same way that Tony Romo is able to buy time and keep his eyes downfield, Foles will buy time for his receivers and keep his eyes downfield. That gives him the chance to find a receiver who comes open late in the route.
We saw this ability in Foles during the preseason. On the first touchdown of his career, the youngster rolled to his right after the pocket became congested. Maclin, who had lined up in the slot on the left side, was turned completely loose by the Dallas secondary and Foles lofted a pass which could have had more zip on it. The ball arrived just in time for a 44-yard Eagles touchdown.
The young quarterback is able to throw on the run with great accuracy. I thought his best throw of the game was a pass to fellow rookie Demaris Johnson. Foles hit him with a dart of a throw, which would have put the Birds on the one or two yard line, if not for one of the many penalties against Birds right tackle, King Dunlap.
I think Foles’ biggest strength is that he has a clear understanding of the NFL passing game and the coverages at an early age. In his first game, Andy Reid made it a point to mention Foles had made some very good checks at the line of scrimmage yesterday. In the future, he has the potential to be able to run the no-huddle offense.
Foles must acknowledge his limitations. On the play which he was hit by Antony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware and separated from the football, he must learn to throw that ball away. He’s not going to be running away from the defensive linemen in the NFL.
These guys are big and tall, but they are also very quick and able to run very fast. Foles is a good athlete, but he’s not an elite athlete who has the speed and quickness to run away from and elude these monsters who rush the quarterbacks in the NFL.
The young quarterback also threw a quick screen to Spencer who picked it off, but it negated by a holding call on Morris Claiborne. The Eagles signal caller has to look that way before he makes that throw.
Foles seems to have a very good pocket awareness, but he must respect and acknowledge his limitations. If he’s not sure where the defenders are, then he must consider throwing the ball away or getting on the ground.
The rookie quarterback also needs to put more zip on the football when he’s attempting a throw of a decent length. He hung an out route to the Cowboys sideline, which could have been picked off and run back to the house. His worst throw was an infield pop-up which was caught by Maclin in the middle of the field. This was a horrible decision and again, it could have been picked off and run back to the house.
Foles will be able to prepare much better with a week of practice if he starts against the Redskins. He’ll know what to expect and Washington doesn’t have much of a pass rush with both of their top pass rushers sidelined for the season. I think it will be a great situation for him, if he gets the start.
I though Foles had a very strong debut. Was he polished as a Vet? Of course not. He made mistakes. He was lucky. He was unlucky. He was not helped by WRs who alligatored passes (Maclin), and he did not help himself staring down a couple of short passes that were jumped by Dallas DBs.
The most important thing Foles did yesterday was absolutely demolish several of the Vick myths that our out there. (I’ll post on this in a bit)
But first….
lets put the Foles debut in context. Over the past 2 seasons there has been amahjor influx of new QBs to the NFL. How did the Foles debut compare to theirs. Extremely favourably.
Debuts….I’ve ranked them from best to worst…..
RGIII 19 of 26 (73%)for 320 2td 0ints….win
Newton 24 of 37 (65%) for 422 2 tds and 1int…loss
Foles 22 of 32 (69%) for 217 1td 1int….loss
Then there’s a big drop off in effectiveness…
Luck 23 of 45 (51%) FOR 309 1 td 3 int…loss
Tannehill 20 of 36 (56%) for 219 0td 3 ints….loss
Wheedon 12 of 35 (34%) for 118 0td 4 ints….loss
Ponder 9 of 17 (53%) for 99 0td 0int…loss
Dalton 10 of 15 (67%) for 81 yrds 0td 0int…loss
and of course…
Vick 0 of 4 (0%) for 0 yards 0td 0int (I had to!)
So….what was the expectation? FOr a rookie Debut, Foles did extremely well when compared to his peers. And again, what was most impressive is that he dispelled many of the myths that have sprung up around this team/offence/vick in recent weeks.
And here are the myths that were exposed yeasterday
Myth 1: “Vick sucks because the oline is terrible.”
False.
Vick sucks because Vick sucks. Today a rookie QB, behind the same line, with no NFL experience, and who did not practice once with the 1s all week, came in and threw for 10% higher comp% than Vick’s average. The exact same yrds/compl. He orchestrated 17 points in 2.5 quarters (that’s a pace of 27/game…something we’ve seen only 1x over the past 16 games with Vick)
Again, here’s a rook who comes in and suddenly completes passes at a higher %, for the same yrd average, (was on pace for 347 over whole game), more pts/game avg, and the same int% Vick has. A rook with equal or better numbers across the board. Looks good on Vick doesn’t it?
2) The Oline is so terrible that only Vick can survive with his mobility. Even with his mobility Vick gets hit 38% of the time. Put Foles back there and its going to be a disaster.
False
Vick was called to throw 12x yesterday. He was sacked or scrambled 3x. Or about 25% of the called passes. This is his career average. Foles was asked to throw the ball 34x and was sacked or scrambled 2x. Or about 6% of the called passes. That’s weird. Vick gets a throw off on 75% of his dropbacks (again, career average). Rookie Foles got off 94% of the throws called for.
Vick has been sacked or scrambled 21% of his pass calls this year
Foles sacked or scrambled on 6% of his. (samll sample – I expect it to rise to about 12%)
Strange the sudden improvement in the oline eh? Not strange to me.
Myth 3: Vick struggles because our bum ass WRs can’t get separation and are never open.
False.
Strange again. I saw a lot of wide open guys last night. In fact, the best moment was the ball bouncing off Avant’s head. Can’t really blame him though, he’s not used to a football being there the moment he makes a break. Usually has to finish a route and sit waiting for ball. A QB who throws his WRs open. Novel concept.
Damn…can’t remember what myth 4 was again…probably something about playcalling being the reason Vick sucks.
To recap:
Oline improved
Comp % improved
pass yrds improved
pts/game improved
int % remained the same
yrds/compl remained the same
Small sample I know, but I saw enough promise that this new experiment should continue.
Vinnie…Vick was playing well behind that Line last night. What are you talking about?
HOW did the oline improve from when Vick was there to Foles?
What the snot are you looking at?
I dont care about Mike Vick…. noone on here does….. but what game did you watch? Foles turned the ball over 2 or 3 times and was sacked…. how was this improvement? Because he faced prevent D at the end and completed passes underneath?
Truth be told yesterday was the first Eagles football game I can remember since I started watching football where I said to myself I am not watching this game period. I cant stomach the QB, the coaching, the defense, the time management mostly can’t stomach the Eagles right now.
So instead I tried to impress my 9 month pregnant wife and cleaned our house top to bottom. Then out of the corner of my eye I see Foles under center and said to myself FUCK now I have to watch.
I got dialed into the Eagles and was rooting, started drinking, went over to my neighbors to watch with them.
Then I see some good competitive football, then I see Desean quit on a route, Maclin quit on a route and poof all momentum gone. Then off course the Desean drop/bobble that leads to a pick.
So in the end Foles injected some life into me as a fan and all the things I hated about our teams current state went away for a little while. BUT after seeing these receivers and seeing Reid not try to help foles by pounding McCoy, I come away even more pissed at the coaches and now I absolutely can stomach these pansy ass wideouts in Maclin and Desean, they literally make me sick.
The thing that pisses me off most is I know this idiot Reid is gonna start Vick next week.
Good to see the rook get in there…. i wont go comparing him.. but glad to see he didnt get killed.
Vinnie Vick blows and has for a long time good read on your post though. I feel bad for the Eagles nation that defends Vick because he truly is garbage and the only thing he could do under center for our team and city is lose, make excuses, turn the ball over, turn his back to the line of scrimmage, take sacks, take 3+ seconds to throw the ball.
Foles looked goofy and unsteady mentally… He has the body type of Trent Dilfer and unless he develops his body more which is extremely difficult that will be his max potential.
I still want Foles to start this week the season is over and Vick has took enough of a beating..
mhenski…. congrats on the baby…. first kid?
Dont worry about this team… its almost over. Andy will be gone soon and we can rebuild… it will be good to see a real DC out there. It will be good to see an Oline with beef.
yea first Stevo. Any day now
No one on the planet can truly say if Foles is a NFL quality starting Qb. The point is we need to find out before the draft and NFL season is over. Plain and simple…you play the rookie the rest of the way. If u think otherwise, You clearly are not a fan of the Eagles and are just a fan of Vick who will be lucky to have a starting gig next year.
There is some hope guys. The NFL is not the NBA. You can rebuild fast if your making the right decisions. (firing Reid and his overpaid/overrated staff first would be a start)…
There is ridiculous safety talent in this years draft. We can fix our problem there.
There will be some quality OLineman out there in FA. IF you sign one of them and get back Peters, Kelce, Herremans we can fix a problem there.
Trade Maclin for Bowe…or just try to sign Bowe and let MAclin move on. You get your big possession receiver there that would compliment Djax perfectly.
We will have a top 10 draft pick, maybe even top 5. Draft a stud on defense there either at CB or LB. (ND linebacker would be perfect, he is a pure leader and tough football player that would fit great with Ryans, and Kendricks)
But my point is you can fix a team fast in the NFL. SUre the fixing should have started years ago when most of us started to call for Reid’s firing. But it is what it is now…
Congrats bro. It will change you forever,
They only hope for the eagles is too sign the best offensive line free agents and draft the best offensive lineman available .. and keep vick.. and we need a monster wide receiver … We cant have a Foles starting with an already young team .. Its just disasterous
larrwd…. Im kinda with you on that. Im not saying keep Vick but i want to see what the new coach thinks before we blow this thing up. Who knows what a new coach could do. If its gruden…. he has said on record that this Oline is the problem, not vick. If he came in…. let the 2 qb’s battle it out in camp.
I also like gruden.. and i like what he did with gannon
The eagles wanted to draft Russell Wilson instead of Foles but seattle got him first . I also wanted Wilson.. GMcliff said russell wilson was a bum and wouldnt even make an NFL roster.. where u at GMcliff?
The keeping Vick around for next year hope is moot.
How can you possibly believe the Eagles’ will be bringing him back at $16million? Would you want Hasselback, Bradford, Palmer, Fitzpatrick, Flacco, Gabbert, Newton or Sanchez here next year at $16 million?
Doubtful.
But those are the guys Vick comparess to this season. He’s finished. I don’t even think he’ll be starting in the NFL next year. maybe someone like Ariz or Oak will give him a shot.
Second….Reid just got the perfect “out” by announcing its a “significant” concussion. So that’s at least 2 weeks. Assuming 2 more losses (and I think that should be expected at this point)…are they going to bring Vick back in at 3-8 for the last few games? Why exactly would they do that?
Lastly,
If you didn’t see how the Oline was better once Foles came in you are blind. No more ducking and twisting. Spinning and scrambling that you guys seem to equate with poor line play. In pocket. COntrolled movemennts. Sidestepping. Was nice.
And no matter what you say…
Vick was called to pass 12x and he got off 9 throws. 75% of the time. This is his career average. Same in Atl. Same in Philly. (though this year he’s actually improved a bit and its at 79%
Foles was asked to throw 34x and he got off 96% of his throws. This is a significant increase….the line may have been the same, but the new QB (and a rook!) Instantly made them better.
And finally and most importantly…wasn’t that the first time in over a year you were actually excited about an Eagles’ game? I don’t know if Foles will turn out or not…but at least its fun moving forward with at least a glimpse of hope for the future.
I would cut the chord with Vick,Asmo,Babin,C Jenkins at the minimum and probably Avant, D Lewis, J Chaney,Matthews as well..
I think the “Loser’ Mentality and lack of Accountability and to be honest,
the Locker Room Culture, Arrogance, “Can’t stop us BS” has to change and yes it starts with Coach AR but there are some players (some who I listed above) who also need to go to clean house of this “loser” mentality that has been increasing on this Team oevr the last couple of Seasons
3 touchdowns and a pick 6 in 2 minutes and 35 seconds .. and almost 2 pick sixes for a quarterback who had interception problems in college is not instantly better.
I said the oline was instantly better. And they were.
Vinnie… im done with you. Over and over again I have shown you your comments and how they are False. There is no changing you…. you hate, therefore you live.
To the rest of the room- I say we let the new coach decide what is what. There are clearly guys that just get shown the door… Bell. And then there are bigger investments that need looking at…. NNamdi, Vick, Babbin. These guys are gone IMO BUT…. i would let the new coach figure it all out.
You love to change the topic the moment it suits you eh Stevo?
“The oline is horrible!!” you preach. “That’s the number one issue!!”
I say the oline will be better the moment Vick leaves.
Vick leaves.
The oline is better.
Foles doesn’t get sacked till 5 mins to go in the 4th Q. They allow him to put up numbers comparable or better than any other rookie debut over the past 2 years. He puts up numbers better than Vick.
“You Hate!” Yells Stevo!
How did they get better? Foles got sacked.. was hurried.. freaked and tossed a pic.. almost 2. Thdy signed a guy today that will start…what game did u watch?
Here are his stats from college:
2009 = 19tds/9Ints
2010 = 20tds/10Ints
2011 = 28tds/14 Ints.
That is 2-1 which is pretty good. And last season, if you watched any of the PAC 12 games, he had no offensive line so he had to throw non-stop (4300 yards on almost 600 attempts. I am not saying he was great yesterday, but let’s keep to the facts.
Stevo
if our new coach thinks it is wise to keep vick and nnamdi around we are fucked.
Eagles RCB Nnamdi Asomugha has a $15 million base salary in 2013, $4 million of which is guaranteed.
Perhaps most importantly, there would be no cap penalty to release Asomugha aside from the $4 million in 2013 because he did not receive a signing bonus. So there is zero bonus proration. Jeff McLane of the Philly Inquirer suggested late Sunday that the odds of Asomugha returning to the Eagles in 2013 are “slim,” barring a dramatic pay cut. He will get the $4 million regardless.
@ bugsyhawk 2 to 1 is not good anymore in college maybe in the 80s
andrew luck 37 10 almost 4 to 1
robert griffith 37 6 over 6 to 1
russell wilson 33 4 over 8 to 1
brandon weeden 37 13 3 to 1
Foles debut:
22 of 32 (69%) for 217 1 td 1 int
Brady debut 13 of 23 (57%) for 165 otd oint
Brees Debut 15 of 27 (56%) for 221 1td 0int
Mannin I debut 21 of 37 (63%) for 302 1td 3 int
Manning II debut 17 of 37 (46%) for 162 1td 2 ints
Rodgers dedut(s)
Year 1 8 of 15 (53%) for 65 0td 0int
Year 3 18 of 26 (69%) for 201 1td 0Ints
Foles handled himself pretty damn well when compared to his rookie peers….and this behind “THE WORST OFFERNSIVE LINE IN THE HISTORY OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!!” (or so I’ve been told 8.3 billion times) The same oline that hasn’t allowed Vick to be all that he can be this season.
Seemed to allow Foles enough time to have a rookie debut better than a lot of other guys.
Does this mean Foles will be a pro-bowler? Of course not. But it was a very nice debut.
And Steve, you still haven’t explained how Mike Vick has a career average of 75% when it comes to throwing when he’s told to throw and yet here comes a raw rook who, behind the same oline, can somehow manage to get off 94’% of his throws?
Im not a mike vick guy… ive said this over and over… my beef is with andy and the oline. You were ready to praise kolb…. now foles. Alk im saying is… slow down.
And Arizona had the line, WRs, and RBs that those guys had? Nope not even close. Dude was running for his life every week. He was on a horrendous team that gave up 35 points per week. If you want to discount it fine, but I won’t.
College Play means nothing now,
Debuts versus other QB in the NFL mean nothing either..
Let’s give the kid the rest of the Season and see how he does and we will get a better sample than the 3 Years the Kolb was in PHilly..
I liked this kid, I like his Football IQ, his mental Toughness and his steady approach to leanring and working hard to improve his game..
Remember, It was Paulman who had Foles on the Eagles Radar back last Decemeber when some of us were starting to focus on the Draft and Eagles Needs,etc,etc,. I stated then as I do know, he reminds me a lot of a young Big Ben of the Steelers, has deceptive lateral movement and is a stronger guy that he appears and is hard to get down who has an NFL Arm… In fact, I will state for the record that FOles mechanically is a little more advanced then when Big Ben came out of College ..
Let’s see what he can do for we all know what Vick does or does not bring to the Table and the reality is, that Vick, is a .500 QB up for making great exciting plays, only to turn around and make bonehead plays so there is no sense in moving forward with Vick..
@ Paulman I have a question for you and Vinnie. First thing is what percentage of top 10 picks at QB do you think make it? 30% at best? Im just guessing. The Lucks, RGIII,, Stafford, Eli and Bradfords were very high picks. Franchise QBs. Then it drops off significantly after a top 5 pickthe Ponders the Tannehills and the Blain Gabberts of the world. All high picks but not top 5s. Now we are going all the way to the 3rd round and your telling me we have a franchise QB from there. What do you think the odds are of finding a franchise QB in the 3rd round? I bet under 5%. It just doesnt happen. You may if your lucky find a game manager if the rest of the team is strong but thats about it. Tom Brady is a once in a lifetime pick. The overwhelming odds are that Foles is a bust.
Bottom Line
Foles starting Next week (even if he flat sucks..I doubt it) = Best news in 3 years. (only to be eclipsed by the ANDY YOU’RE FIRED moment)
I am excited about the future of this team over the next 3 years now.
@Vinnie hey I hope Foles is the real deal but stats are for losers remember we can play the if game like you always played with Vick. As in if the cowboys defenders could catch Foles would’ve had at least 4 picks. @mhenski congrats on the baby but dude calling out DJax for that pick 6 is ridiculous it was a bad pass period. Maclin bailed on his route because again a bad pass it was leading him into a kill shot. Sensabaugh was closer to the ball then he was. Any complaints on him catching that horrible across the body punt in the 4th quarter? At the end of the day a loss is a loss and the Birds are 3 and 6. I hope Foles goes out Sunday and lights the Redskins up this team needs a win
Name me 1 frachise QB taken after 1st round besides Tom Brady? Romo?
Joe Montana round 3, drew Brees round 2
Gannon round 4
Brad Johnson round 9
Brunell round 5
Hasselback round 6
Trent Green round 8
Crystal Chandlier round 3
Bulger round 6
Rypien round 6
Theisman round 4
Bart Starr round 17
Roger Staubach round 10
Bulger round 6
To Dagolden..
I never aStated that Foles is a “Franchise QB”, all I stated is that he reminds me on when BIg Ben came out and is mechanically more sound and advanced then when came out of College.. Now the fact the Big Ben plays for one best Organizations and Teams years in and year out has probably help ascend his Status as an Elite QB and Big Ben has improved dramatcially as a QB over the last few Seasons from when he first came up and started playing..
I also think Foles is more advanced than when Flacco,Sanchez,Tannehill,Ponder,Calussen and many other QB’s that were selected in Higher Rounds than he was…
I think he will spread the ball out more and get it out of his hands quicker and into the hands of his playmakers, but time will tell for he will be playing this week versus the Redksins and we’ll see how he does
(it can’t be worse than what Vick has done over his last 25 Starts or so)
Exactly….there is no way it can be worse then Vick.
Compare Foles to Big ben ther…
Ben’s debut: 12 of 20 (60%) for 176 2tds and 2 ints
Paulman did call for the eagles to draft foles, as I remember immediately googling him after paulman’s post, paulman is as good at football personnel as any, although lousy at baseball, remember there will always be paulman , there will always be paulman…….
Its ludicrous to see some of you actually want Vick to return next year. I mean common sense is that it easily wont happen. You just don’t pay guys top money when they are near the bottom at their position. Don’t even have to go into it…And in regard to the coach Mhenski summed it up perfectly.
Dag, Well we can only go off what we know. We know Vick is a bust based on being a 1st overall pick. We know he is an old, injury prone, turnover machine, who happens to be short and can’t read a defense. This is probably why he hasn’t won even 1 playoff game in how fucking long now? So thats an easy NO to having him be our starting QB next year.
NOw Foles is a complete unknown as of right now…If he turns out to be a bust like you have suggested purely on his draft position that Im with you when the offseason comes. If he looks terrible compared to what good rookies usually do then so be it. HE can be our backup. We draft someone new. Give me Geno Smith or Barkely…and lets go from there. Our draft pick will be pretty high and most of the teams comparable with our record or worst will not be looking for QBs since they just drafted some.
I dont want him back… i want the new coach to make the call. Thats all im saying.
O yea I would include Theismann, Staubach, Kurt Warner on that list…
Flacco has been pretty good in his career so far up to this point. Had his team in the SB just last year. Not his fault Lee Evans couldn’t catch his perfect pass to win the game. Or that his kicker choked just as bad right after that.
Russel Wilson also looks like he has a pretty good future in the league.
So yea I think you can find NFL winning Qbs pretty much anywhere in the draft
Oh ok so if you put great team around Foles he could manage a team and function. hmmmmm. Isnt that true for any QB. Vinny you didnt give me 1 FRANCHISE QB on your list. Plus you have named me about 10 QBs with a range of 30 years. In that span I could name you HUNDREDS of QB picks that were busts to your 10 gam managers.lol
Heres a list FOR YA 1 -1st ROUND- Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, RGIII, Matt Ryan, Joe Flaaco, Jay Cutler, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford. Carson Palmer, Jay Culter, Ben Rothlisberger. You give me f*&Ing Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Matt Casselll hahahahahahahahhaha. Those are just the QBs playing THIS YEAR! Franchise QBs DONT come in 3rd round!
To all you Vick lovers:
Haul your butts down to the Nova Care Complex with your parting gifts because he will be elsewhere next year. I don’t care who coaches next year they will not improve Vick’s performance one bit. No coach coming in here who wants to build will keep him around. He is what he has always been. A mediocre QB who has never won a thing. He is an ESPN created star. So put on your Madden games and enjoy yourselves.
You want to rebuild and it will take a few seasons. On defense you keep Cox,Ryans, Kendricks Boykins and Rodgers-Cromartie as your core. Every one else is expendable. On Offense, Shady, Celek, Peters, Kelce, Herremanns, Jackson, Bryce Brown, Foles(backup or starter depending on the rest of this year) everyone else is expendable.
nein DRC
Vinnie you must be on PCP if you think any of the first 8 QBs on your list are “franchise” material. Most were good to average at best. None of those guys were ever great despite their super bowls. They are the very definition of Game Manager.
On another note I like Foles potential. I do not think he played a great game but I liked his confidence and he definitely sees the field. Like Vick he was victimized by the line’s shitty play but I’m not mad at his debut he did some good things. Never thought I’d miss Winston Justice SMH.
I agee..most guys on that list were “good” players at best…though I’d have traded Vick for any one of them.
Another Philly made myth. I havent heard 1 fan say they wanted Vick to stay. Theres no Vick lovers. All it is with some fans is fair criticizm. Hes dumb, he cant read defenses, hes the worst QB to ever play. blah blah blah. He was media made is all tiring hillbilly shit. Alot of QBs arent very good just like Vick. Some fans have to keep the balance with some of the rednecks thats all. Hes still gonna have more money than all of us put together x 10 and could really care less of what any of us think.
A big thing to keep in mind
Let’s say Foles plays pretty well and gets to finish 4-3 over the final 7 games
How do you bring Vick back at $20 Million to compete for a Starters job when he is paid as a “Franchise QB”
You don’t, just like the Arndy Reid is over, so is the Mike Vick era,
It is what it is, but there is no way in hell that Vick ($20 Million)
and Asmo ($15 Million) are back in 2013.. Think about it,
$35 Million for 2underperforming players for a basement Team
With a new Coaching Staff in place who have no allegiance to either player which would account for almost 25% of the Teams Salary Cap in a rebuilding mode …. No way, no how…
Some of these fans will never objectively analyze Vick, foles showed more potential as a pro qb in his limited debut than Vick has ever shown in his entire career, it’s the way they look at things, they are fans of the the individual player over the team, ala Allen Iverson’s, they want the player they identify with over the better player, it’s the way it is, they are good people, but just not objective football people
Jake wtf is wrong with you are u serious? You must have been on your weekly crack binge when Mike Vick put on arguably the greatest performance by a QB ever against the Redskins two years ago. I will bet any amount of money that Nick Foles will never have a game that good. Doesn’t mean he won’t turn out to be a better QB in time but c’mon. You really make yourself look pathetic with these asinine statements. It’s obvious to all of us that you hardly ever watch the actual games. You one of those morons who watch Sportscenter highlights and garner your opinion from talking heads on TV. Do us all a favor and go away. Where’s Navy when you need em?
OK, all the fantasy footballers can start picking Foles apart.
No #1, Foles won’t flourish until Reid-Morneigwig are fired…Those two should be arrested for conspiracy to manslaughter for what they did to Vick and to a lesser degree McNabb.
Foles most closely resembles Eli Manning and it took him 3 years to develop.
Alot of you guys are living in the past.. Its a different league guys are coming in and playing well immediately.. I say let him start see what he does but im not expecting much .. I think Matt Skelton is a good comparision
Excuse me .. John skelton
Foles is BETTER than John SKELTON RIGHT NOW!
Skelton is a big dude but he does not have a cannon. Foles has a cannon.
Give 9 a year or two in an NFL weight room and go from Surfer dude back up to Holy crap he’s a monster that LB’s (at least eagles undersized ones) won’t want to hit.
I don’t know how good Foles can be. No one does. But I am encouraged that we have a guy that appears to have more Classic QB tools than any QB this roster has had since JAWS. (BY the way 12 is and always will be near and dear to me as he is the QB of my youth.)
Of course that may just be because we have not had a pure pocket passer in well almost my lifetime.
Jaws???? McNabb was by far, waayyyy better than Jaws! Give me a break…just not the right complexion for you personally? I see your agenda, and that is real talk!
What are you talking about 5 was a VERY good pocket QB! just because he COULD move doesn’t make him a scrambling QB– McNabb was a good pocket QB– he was 6′ 4″ big, big arm could throw deep and was a master of the screen pass. donavon doesn’t get his due.
Very very stupid comment… mcnabb was very good in the pocket. His big problem was that he was scared to take a chance and throw a pic. Add to this the fact that he didnt have a real WR for more than a year or so. Mcnabb was wasted by andy.
you are really coming on here and saying mcnabb wasn’t a good pocket? you are crazy~!
as for the pic thing… i agree but with the turnovers from this team… ball security would sure be nice!
From what ive seen they loved hitting him .. lmao
I dont see it .. I just want on youtube and watched the skelton highlights.. I see a mirron of image of skelton including the exact same size… hope im wrong but its all about the system as well . and this system isnt doing very well
Nah Larrwd…Foles will carry this team despite how poor the system and the rest of the groups are…
Fraudman– The eagles are in rebuilding mode with the second youngest team in the nfl? Again you make no sense. And just because you hate Vick with a passion doesn’t mean your right. Actually Vick played good behind that Oline on Sunday. He was still hit. When Foles came in he was hit too and had 2 turnovers…
Everyone is looking for someone to blame and why not blame Vick. Hes the perfect scape goat. Just like you guys thought Kolb was the savior now Foles is? Give me a break. The great white hope mentality. “Black QBs just arent smart enough, theyre too dumb to read defenses” or ;” look how poised Foles looks back there, he has so much potential, hes a bright kid” yada yada yada.. Great white hope crap. I don’t see color I see who gives us the best chance to win the game. You guys are so fast to anoint “the guy” that looks like Brady or Peyton or Big Ben before he proves anything. You did it with Detmer, AJ Feely,Kolb, and now your doing it with Foles. You guys are really really pathetic. Your looking to cling to anything. That oline is still the same. Bringing Foles in won’t change it. He was still sacked just like Vick was. You guys need to get your head out of the clouds.
Damn you beat me to the Great White Hope line…lol
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HAHA – Jon Hart…love this post! Agree with every word 100%
Yes!! Dead on!! Im a white guy and i agree with you jon 100% i hope foles is the next jon e but im not buying the jersey yet.
Cosign!
Orrect me if I’m wrong here but this team didn’t bring in DRC,Nmandi,Jenkins , Babin, draft those playmakers and give Mike a new contract because they were rebuilding they made those moves to win now
And what many Vickpolgists were shouting was that it was not Mikr Vick holding this team back from winning we were stating that there were other more glaring issues. Now that it is obvious to all that we will not be winning anything
Let Foles play ! Let’s see what he’s got .