The Nick Foles Debut Was Some Good Some Bad
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, News, Quarterbacks Monday, November 12th, 2012
I think Nick Foles is going to be the Eagles starting quarterback this Sunday against the Washington Redskins because Michael Vick didn’t seem very steady after the game as he walked out of Lincoln Financial Field. He sustained a concussion and in all likelihood he will miss next week’s game. After that we’ll have to wait and see.
As for the rookie’s play against the Cowboys, I thought Foles did a decent job of taking over as the Birds quarterback in their loss to the Dallas Cowboys. He made some good decisions and he made some poor decisions but I think Foles showed that over time he might be able to become a very good NFL quarterback.
Does that mean he’s going to be able to lead the Birds to the playoffs this year or next year or the year after that? There’s certainty of that and of how good he could become, but you do see some of the ingredients needed to be a NFL quarterback.
Foles was 22 out of 32 for 219 yards with one touchdown and one interception. For a seasoned quarterback this was a spotty and shakey performance at best, but for a rookie who was snatched off the bench at the last minute, Foles did a decent job.
The touchdown throw to Jeremy Maclin showed one of Foles’ strengths. In the same way that Tony Romo is able to buy time and keep his eyes downfield, Foles will buy time for his receivers and keep his eyes downfield. That gives him the chance to find a receiver who comes open late in the route.
We saw this ability in Foles during the preseason. On the first touchdown of his career, the youngster rolled to his right after the pocket became congested. Maclin, who had lined up in the slot on the left side, was turned completely loose by the Dallas secondary and Foles lofted a pass which could have had more zip on it. The ball arrived just in time for a 44-yard Eagles touchdown.
The young quarterback is able to throw on the run with great accuracy. I thought his best throw of the game was a pass to fellow rookie Demaris Johnson. Foles hit him with a dart of a throw, which would have put the Birds on the one or two yard line, if not for one of the many penalties against Birds right tackle, King Dunlap.
I think Foles’ biggest strength is that he has a clear understanding of the NFL passing game and the coverages at an early age. In his first game, Andy Reid made it a point to mention Foles had made some very good checks at the line of scrimmage yesterday. In the future, he has the potential to be able to run the no-huddle offense.
Foles must acknowledge his limitations. On the play which he was hit by Antony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware and separated from the football, he must learn to throw that ball away. He’s not going to be running away from the defensive linemen in the NFL.
These guys are big and tall, but they are also very quick and able to run very fast. Foles is a good athlete, but he’s not an elite athlete who has the speed and quickness to run away from and elude these monsters who rush the quarterbacks in the NFL.
The young quarterback also threw a quick screen to Spencer who picked it off, but it negated by a holding call on Morris Claiborne. The Eagles signal caller has to look that way before he makes that throw.
Foles seems to have a very good pocket awareness, but he must respect and acknowledge his limitations. If he’s not sure where the defenders are, then he must consider throwing the ball away or getting on the ground.
The rookie quarterback also needs to put more zip on the football when he’s attempting a throw of a decent length. He hung an out route to the Cowboys sideline, which could have been picked off and run back to the house. His worst throw was an infield pop-up which was caught by Maclin in the middle of the field. This was a horrible decision and again, it could have been picked off and run back to the house.
Foles will be able to prepare much better with a week of practice if he starts against the Redskins. He’ll know what to expect and Washington doesn’t have much of a pass rush with both of their top pass rushers sidelined for the season. I think it will be a great situation for him, if he gets the start.
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Same thing I see Lion
certain types of players like specific types of players like Nnamdi, Babbin, Vick. Certain types of players that make 10 million a year and either can’t play, cant do their job, have no heart or a combination of the 3. Those types of players. Throw in couple of Casey Matthews type players and Riley Coopers and there you have it.
Fuck all those types get em the fuck off my football team.
Vick is 10-15 in his last 25 Games as the Starting QB of the Eagles..
It’s not all his fault of course, but the beginning of last Season and the beginning of this Season with his Turnovers, Poor Red-Zone Play doomed both the Eagles Seasons by the 1st Weekend of November.. It is what it is, and VIck is not the Future of the Eagle Franchise.. I am not sure If it can be any simpler than this…4 Years now in the Eagles System.. No improvement, the same deficienceies he’s always had, he still has.. he will be 33 next Season and has taken a beating the last 2 Seasons, He’s done in my opinion
happy trails andy reid. get the fuck outta here with these certain types of players
clearly you cant teach mike vick anything. look at his body of work, same guy he was 10 years ago but slower.
still sliding head first
still not going through his projections
still turning his back to his WR and to the line of scrimmage
still cant throw WR open
still has absolutely some of the worst pocket presence ive ever seen in my life
happy trails mike
@Biglion Im not stupid, of course it’s around on both sides of the issue. Im just telling you that the NFL is about winning and I dont have time for racist BS about a loser QB. You have to hold every Veteran to the same standard and give every rookie a fair shot. Vick is still making dumb mistakes 10 years later just involving his play…No o-line or defense or anything else. We move on We did with Jaws, Randall and 5…He is no better. In fact he isnt as good as any of those 3. I dont give a shit what color you are if you suck you suck bottom line…see ya Vick!!
AS GM Wanne-be,
On Monday December 31st (After the final game of the Season)
I do the Following
Fire Coach AR and the entire Staff
Release or exercise the options and Cut the Following Players
QB Vick, OT D Bell, RB D Lewis, WR J Avant, RG D Watkins
DT C Jenskins, DE J Babin, LB’s J Chaney, LB Matthews, CB Asmo
In Free-Agnecy, I concentrate on a RT (then slide Herremans at RG where he belongs), SIgn a Big, Strong WR (Bowe from KC) , Sign a legitimate Safety (even if I have to overpay)
In the Draft, I go DT, SAM LB, CB, OL,TE with my first 5 Picks
I offer Deals to both WR Maclin and DRC, but will not overpay for either of them.. 3 Year Deals at Max.. They take it great, if not, let them walk..
In 2013 GM Paulman wins his first “GM of the Year Award” which happens to be the first for the Eagles Franchise and has a big blast with Free Beer, WIngs and Eagle Chherleaders for everyone at the Linc and free Designated Taxi-Cab Drivers to take everyone home safely…
I move the following players to new positions and have them work on them all off-season
CB C Marsh to Safety
DT F Cox to DE
RB C Polk to FB
Slot CB Boyknin back to outside CB as he should be in the first place
CB Hughes to SLot CB
Can’t say I disagree with that Paulman especially moving Todd back to guard and getting Bowe in here. Two big needs.
Real talk yea I said he is a scumbag and dogshit so what.
He is a scum bag because he gave his fans the finger on national tv and lie to their faces in Atlanta. He is also a scum bag because whether he likes it or not he was a roll model to millions of kids and he let those kids down by giving that finger and killing and fighting those dogs. Being a roll model comes with being in commercials being the face of a franchise and a qb. I call spades spades its real he is a scum bag.
And I called him dogshit because he is just that a dog shit aka bad qb. Not sure what your point was but that’s how I feel.
If he was just a scum bag at life I’d call him just a scum bag. If he was just a dogshit qb I’d call him a dogshit qb. If he was both I’d call him both. If he was a great qb and a class act and a roll model I’d call him that.
MHenski,
Your WIfe have that Baby yet.. C’mon Man, are you helping her out at all around the house and have the Baby’s Room all finished up…
We are all set Paul. Baby will be here soon. Wifey is waiting for me to get all my weekly gcobb banter out of the way before we go to the hospital.
@regaleagle
“I don’t know how good Foles can be. No one does. But I am encouraged that we have a guy that appears to have more Classic QB tools than any QB this roster has had since JAWS. (BY the way 12 is and always will be near and dear to me as he is the QB of my youth.)
Of course that may just be because we have not had a pure pocket passer in well almost my lifetime.”
Man what the phucc is wrong with some of you guys? Ron phuccing jaworski!!!??? The single biggest reason we got our assess smoked in the sb against oakland. If he was any damn good we would have one a few under vermeil’s tenure. See gabriel before him and cunnigham, mcnabb,and vick after him. Hell i’ll take ty detmer and peete with the team he had. PHUCCING JAWORSKI!!
Jaws had a bad SB but he was a better QB than Mr Vick….Vick is not a good qb. Maybe he’s a top 3 falcon but they have had shit qbs lol.
Xevious mis me with this revisionist shyt about jaws. he sucked and aruably the weakiest link on a very good eagles team during his tenure there. Jaworki represents far too much of the pathetic mindset of many eagles fans over the past 40 years. Too much of that vince Papale bullshyt. HE SUCKED! azzholes like YOU, VINNIE, and many others just RELATE to him. That being aid, i met Jaws when he played for us back then. I thought he sucked but he seemed like a nice guy.
Just heard this angle fellas
The future is not bright for this team..well not immediate future
What can we sell a new high profile coach on
Meaning Gruden, Cowher, Kelly etc…
Look at our last 5 drafts what players are keepers
about 5 to 7 players worth mentioning
This team is loaded with nothing..any coach that
comes in here will have to be here for duration
no flash in the Pan (see Gruden) coach that comes
In here and turns this thing around immediately
There’s gonna be 6 to 10 other teams competing
For the high profile names.What can Lurie sell to the next coach
??.we are in for some rough
times around here…
Nick foles may save Andy’s job if he’s as good as he projects, that’s a problem
I don’t think Lurie would just kick’em to the curb
Lurie will probably make him POFO
You know what you should do Gotta Luv it.
Go to Google
Type in __________________________ draft history
Select the link that says “pro football reference”
You’ll immediately link to all the teams picks …in their history…but what’s best…is its in chart form with all their stats right beside them…
You can click teams like “Green Bay Packers” and see that they may have 2 contributing players from their last 2 drafts….or “New York Giants” who have JPP and a big pile of shit to show for their past 5 drafts…….etc etc…
Most teams whiff on the vast majority of their picks….but what’s the one player that the last 10 SB winners have not whiffed on…….hopefully we didn;t whiff there either.
For once vinnie i agree. The birds have a few guys that are good draft pics. Cox and kendricks are good. Heck…. i even like watkins a little. Im not giving up on graham yet…. babbin is gone soon so… keep em around. Foles may br a good player… we will see. Jackson when used right is good…. shady is a stud. I cant say i always like the KIND of olayers they bring in but…. they are like others.
@mhenski dude I like Cooper more then Avant. @Jakedog the only way Foles saves Reid’s job is if they win 7 in a row and make the playoffs. @Vinnie finally something we agree on every team whiffs more often then not. I guess we need to coach our whiffs up more and hope beyond hope that Foles is that guy.
The bottom line is Andy Ried is not a good evaluator of talent.. Desean and Maclin are over hyped .. We have no back up offensive lineman.. Chris Polk is better than bryce brown .. but since bryce brown run a little better 40 he is the backup .. Bryce brown sucks he has no agility at all .. and polk is much more punishing and runs a 4.45..
@larrwd I think Desean and Maclin are fine I actually think Maclin’s numbers will be better because he’ll be in the slot and Cooper will be playing out wide. Brown and Polk are what they are, back-up’s but it wouldn’t hurt to see Polk in short yardage situations.
now way in hell you cant have to of the same small alligator arm receivers .. desean is a good number 2 and maclin a good number 3 we dont have a number 1… youve been brain washed by andy reids stupidity
Dude did you not just see I typed Maclin will be in the slot? Desean hasn’t dropped one pass this year unless you count that bad pass on Sunday. I don’t think either one has alligator arms.
Its a shame about this year… i actually think the d is better than this. If… if… if the line woukd get to the qb i think we would see a much better d. Havent takked much about lbs this year have we? They are solid. I know nnamdi has had struggkes but… i think this d has/had poten. On the o side.. djack has had good hands this year. I agree and have been saying that we need a big wr on the outaide to jelp… jmak in the slot may be doable. I would argue that because of thw poor oline play we havent seen enough of B.C cause hea blocking and vick… well… no comment.
So sad.. too bad… new coach plz.
Also a shame i cant type well on my phone.
Andy reid and his runts.. Vick = runt maclin = runt Jackson = runt Dion lewis = runt mccoy = tough runt babin = runt kurt coleman = runt nnamdi = izell Jenkins …..
You cant have a team full of runts .. teams dont beat us .. they beat us up .. ever week .. and by the end of the game we look like the undersized kids getting picked on in class sad with our heads down.
@Realtalk
“Above post: anyone else catch the dogshit reference along with scumbag to follow? I think we know why he is really mad….try and mask it all you want”
That’s what makes most of them nuthin short of fraud bitches. They try to pretend that guys like you and me are Vick apologist as oppose to fans who can see right through their uncontainable disdain for the guy (since day one.)
brewski can you read? i already explained this.
Mike Vick is a total fucking scumbag
Mike Vick is also a dogshit quarterback
Neither of these are debatable.
Only fraud bitch would be you thinking he is anything but a bad QB and a scumbag.
And I did hate Vick from day 1 for 3 reasons:
1. he was the type of QB who has 0% chance of winning a superbowl ever
2. he gave 40,000 fans the finger live in person and another 10+million on tv
3. he tortured and fought dogs
you like Vick good for you now you can root for him on another team or quite possibly start watching the CFL next year.
Puccy get over it!! I hate punk ass azzholes like you who have had it in for the guy since day one. Don’t pretend it was about some damn dogs. The post I’ve seen when he was having a MVP run proved otherwise. Let it go.
@mhenski dude give it a rest, how many QB’s have won a Super Bowl? As for the name calling your better then that man.
Biglion I will voice my opinion here whenever I see fit. Regarding your question the answer is irrelevant Mike Vick is and has been incapable of leading his team to a super bowl and therefor incapable of winning one. Period. thats why I never wanted him to QB the Eagles.
Regarding name calling calling Mike Vick is a scumbag is no different than calling him Mike, Vick, #7, MV7, Ron Mexico, and so on. Its who he is.
I break down QB’s like this in today’s NFL…
#1) Elite QB’s who can consistently win games on their own merits,playmaking ability and sound decision making when game is on the line .. (Brady, Peyton Manning,Rodgers,Brees is who I consider Elite)
#2) Good Game-Manager QB’s who rely on having a solid Running Game, Decent OL and a Balanced Offense and can occassionaly win games on their own from time to time but rely on solid game planning,and good Coaching (Big Ben,Eli Manning,Joe Flacco,Matt Ryan,Matt Schaub)
#3) Gun-Slingers who make great plays on occasion and will usually have good Stats but have a tendancy to take too many risks with the ball when going against solid Defenses and force the issue when it’s not there
(Phil Rivers,Jay Cutler,Tony Romo,Carson Palmer,Ryan Fitzpatrick,M Vick,Matt Stafford)
#4) Up and coming QB’s who are way inconsistent at their present stage of the Careers but have upside (Cam Newton,RGIII)
#5) Up and coming QB’s who are more Game-Managers and have a chanve to be good NFL QB’s, but only if their Teams are playing well (Andrew Dalton,Josh Freeman,Christian Ponder, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson,Brandon Weeden,Sam Bradford)
#6) QB’s who lack the Big-Play Ability and to me are not NFL Starting Caliber QB’s and are more like Back-Up QB’s (Mark Sanchez,Matt Casell,Kevin Kolb,Jake Locker)
This is my list as of QB Play as of halfway thru the 2013 Season
coldbrewski and I hate fucking idiots like you. you are a total coward who runs their mouth on the internet because you dont like someone elses opinion.
Why would I pretend you fucking idiot? Why would I type I hate Mike Vick because he tortured and murdered dogs, and gave all his fans the middle finger on monday night football if I was pretending? thats as blatantly honest as it gets you illiterate retard.
I also hate idiot fans in this city who stick up for a guy that is one of the worst QBs in the league and is incapable of winning a superbowl for our city. Keep sucking Vicks dick you faggot and go be a fan of whatever team he plays for next cuz the days of this loser running this team is over.
Bottom line is this you stick up for Mike Vick for reasons that are not football related.
No, pussy you just hate period. Not “idiot fans like me”. Here we go again reliving this guy’s past. I’m sticking up for him? No asshole I’m not. He’s the qb of my team who has served his time and can’t seem to catch a break from punk asses like you. And i’m sick of assholes like you trying to be the morality police and expect not to called out for your hatred and bias. As to sucking dick? That job belongs to your sister. With mom waiting impatiently for her turn.
Cooper should play the Slot over the too-slow Avant, Cooper is quicker in bursts and does get enough sepeartion on the deeper/outside routes (now once in the Red-Zone, he can play wide for speed is not as important at this point, but size,strength and leaeping ability are)
Maclin in no shape or form can play the Slot Receiver, he simply is not physical enough and would not last 2 weeks playing the slot.. He’s an outside, sideline WR who occastionaly can go over the middle, but not make his living as a Slot WR..
Jason Avant (hamstring) has been ruled out for Week 11.
Rookie Nick Foles will be limited to TE Brent Celek as an underneath security blanket as he makes his first career start. Avant is week-to-week. Riley Cooper will fill-in as the No. 3 receiver against Washington.
i dont know about that Paul… Avant has been nothing these last 2 years and cooper has some skills but never really shows them (did he really make that catch sunday?) While i dont think getting Bowe should be on the top of our lis, Jmak has done ok across the middle. He for sure has takin his hits this year but i think he could be something in the middle.
mhenski- BC has been mostly blocking AGAIN this year because of the poor oline play so… dont expect him to also be catching many of those balls.
BC has still dropped many passes, fumbled once or twice and his blocking has not been very goosd this year either.. I believe he;s had that ongoing Hip problem then slowed him up all SUmmer Camp and really has not gotten over this season for he seems a 1/2 Step slower than last Season whehn he came on strong.. Moving Forward at TE, Eagles need an updgrade, Celek has taken a lot of shots and is still pretty young, but I believe his best days are behind him.. I would love to see an Athletic Type be the 1st Passing Option and Celek still play in Double TE sets and be the more possesion type of TE like the PAts do with Gronk.Hernandez, Ravens with Dixon/PItta_, Lions with Pettigrew/Sheffler, Broncos do with Dressen/Tamme, Texans do with Daniel/Casey and etc,etc
stevo that is copied and pasted for rotoworld I guess i forget to copy the source link.
The Philadelphia Daily News is reporting that King Dunlap will move back to LT, Danny Watkins will be at RG, and Dennis Kelly will play RT going forward.
This move gets the struggling Demetress Bell off the field. Bell yielded five QB pressures and two sacks in the Eagles’ Week 10 loss to the Cowboys. Kelly didn’t fare much better, also giving up five QB pressures with one converted for a sack against Dallas. Eagles LG Evan Mathis says this is a stronger grouping, but we’re not confident they will be able to turn things around and effectively protect Nick Foles this Sunday against the Redskins.
Related: Danny Watkins, Dennis Kelly
Source: Les Bowen on Twitter
Nov 14 – 4:16 PM
@paulman pay attention to the wr groupings on Sunday, when they go 3 wide Maclin will be the slot guy and Cooper will be out wide so the coaches I think know a liitle more then we do. When Avant went out Sunday Maclin moved inside and Cooper played out wide. Whatever o-line they put ou there Sunday Foles better have his head on a swivel.
I do agree Stevo that Maclin can operate in the middle, but he will have a difficult time doing it from the Clot Position when Receivers are typically lined up right across a Defender in their face whether it be a Slot CB or even a LB giving you a whack.. At least when your Outside WR, the opposing CB is typically playing off you a few yards so you can get going a little bit, SLot WR’s is all about Quickness,lateral moving to avoid contact as your heading for your route and really need to be in psynch with your QB and I just don’t believe this is a Strength of Maclin at all..
Fox analyst Troy Aikman was honest in his assessment that Maclin pulled up on a slant from Foles. “He saw [Gerald] Sensabaugh sitting there in the safety position, and he didn’t want any part of it,” Aikman said. “He knew it was going to be a big-time collision had he continued to go in and make a play on that ball, and he just said ‘No thank you.’”
“I think it’s funny, personally,” said Maclin. “The only people that really understand what happened on that play are the people that are down on that football field. It wasn’t like I was easing off because I didn’t want to get hit, I thought I couldn’t make the catch on the ball so I was bracing myself for the hit. There’s nothing wrong with that.”
“So at the end of the day, if you want to call that soft or scared, so be it,” he said. “But anybody who understands, who has been here, I have gone across the middle and have gotten hit plenty of times and made plays, simple as that.”
hey Gotta Aikman’s been concussed too much, a true analyst would have pointed out it was a bad pass and pretty much uncatchable.
Get over it all of you the Vick experiment, directed by Lurie, is over,It’s now nick foles turn, aka “Shaggy”, hey shaggy, how about a Scooby Snack and kill the foreskins
Yeah Aikman has no idea what he is talking about. Not like he is a hall of fame QB or anything. Oh wait.
Oh wait, what does him being a HOF QB have to do with being a good analyst? Again he was wrong on that play and I’m not in the HOF to see that.
the point is that I would take his opinion over yours and he’s a pretty good analyst. Even if you disagree with this one call, one play doesn’t make him a bad analyst. Him being a Cowboy aside, dude does a good job.
True bugsy but remember he’s on national tv calling a guy out and that just wasn’t the case.