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Dark Clouds Loom Over Philadelphia Sports

It hasn’t been a fun time to be a Philadelphia sports fan.

There hasn’t been much to cheer about in 2012. The Flyers and Sixers generated a little excitement last spring with their playoff runs, but other than that we’ve endured some tough times over the last six months.

The Phillies were a failure in 2012, and we had to watch Ruben Amaro become a seller at the trade deadline. Later on we would see Hunter Pence step up and become a leader and a producer for the San Francisco Giants as he helped them capture their second World Series title in three years.

In the fall we’ve had to endure an equally (if not more) frustrating Eagles team. After watching the team seemingly make dramatic improvements in the off-season and get off to a fast start at 3-1, all of the sudden we haven’t seen a victory since September.

Let’s take a look at the state of each of the four major teams right now.

Philadelphia Eagles

Everything that the Eagles have worked towards over the last 14 years has come crumbling down around them, and this year’s implosion leaves all kinds of uncertainty surrounding the franchise.

Andy Reid is a dead man walking. He’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s no longer capable of coaching at a high level, and he’s simply playing out the remaining five games of the season while awaiting Jeffrey Lurie’s final word. Bizarre decisions regarding the construction of this team, the coaching staff, and in-game management have all caught up to Reid, and will cost him his job.

The Eagles don’t know who their next head coach will be, and they also don’t know what the future of the quarterback position is. Nick Foles isn’t doing much to inspire confidence right now, and Michael Vick will almost certainly not return next season (unless he’s willing to dramatically restructure his contract).

The entire roster is in need of a purge. There is a losing mentality lingering amongst the players, and the front office will need to do some major housecleaning in the coming months. They’ve already begun that process this week with the release of one of the most unlikable faces on this team, defensive end Jason Babin.

The only key figure who appears to be safe is general manager Howie Roseman, which could be a major mistake by Lurie. Roseman has had just as big a hand in this team’s poor decisions and failures than Reid over the last three years, and hasn’t done anything to prove that he’s capable of selecting a new head coach and rebuilding this team.

Philadelphia Phillies

Philadelphia fans were forced to suffer through one of the most disappointing seasons in recent memory as the Phillies spent most of the season playing inspired baseball and missed the playoffs for the first time since 2007.

The team has a limited amount of payroll space available to spend on free agents to help improve the club’s current standing, but they also received shocking news yesterday when they learned that popular All-Star catcher Carlos Ruiz will be suspended for the first 25 games of the season.

It will mark the third straight year that the Phillies will begin regular season play without one of their key figures. Losing Ruiz for a month is a huge blow to this team that already has some concerns about the health and availability of their other key figures.

Chase Utley’s knees remain unpredictable, and he hasn’t played a game in April since the 2010 season. Imagine the frustration if Utley reports to Spring Training, and is immediately held out of action due to “routine soreness” again.

Starting pitcher Roy Halladay spent the entire 2012 campaign battling shoulder problems. At his age, and with all of the innings he’s logged on his arm, there are no guarantees that he’ll be back in top form either.

The Phillies can’t afford to begin yet another season with multiple All-Stars out of action.

Philadelphia 76ers

While the Sixers have been playing fairly well during the first month of the season, their prized off-season acquisition Andrew Bynum has yet to appear in a single game with the team, and he has no timetable for a return.

The 2012-13 season has been one of the most highly anticipated years for the Sixers in over a decade, and all of that excitement has been generated because of the Bynum trade.

Without Bynum, the Sixers have a limited ceiling and aren’t likely to be anything more than a low seed in a competitive Eastern Conference.

Philadelphia Flyers

Don’t count on seeing hockey anytime soon.

The NHL remains caught up in a lockout with no end in sight. Negotiations are for adults.

Even before the lockout, the Flyers were caught up in some bad luck of their own. They tried desperately to hand out a contract worth over $100 million to some of the top free agents available (such as Zach Parise and Ryan Suter) but the available talent had no interest in coming to Philadelphia, and turned their noses up at Paul Holmgren’s offers.

Holmgren finally managed to find a taker for his boatload of money when he signed Nashville’s Shea Weber to a massive offer sheet, only to have the Predators surprise them by matching the offer and destroying the ideas Flyers fans had of acquiring what would essentially be a young Chris Pronger to anchor their defense.

Overall

Over the last six months, each of the four teams has built the city up only to let them down.

Michael Vick ran around screaming delusional nonsense that this Eagles team would be the start of a dynasty.

The Phillies put out a miserable effort for most of the 2012 season, got themselves back into the race in the final weeks of the year, only to let down against lowly teams like the Houston Astros to rip the hearts out of fans hoping for a miracle.

The Sixers seemed ready to assert themselves as one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference, only to have the key figure in those plans go completely MIA.

The Flyers failed to improve their team that was easily defeated by the New Jersey Devils in the second round of last year’s playoffs. Even if the NHL wasn’t in a lockout, the team would still be going through the ups and downs of Ilya Bryzgalov while struggling to get consistent play from the forwards and defenseman.

Its a hard time to be a Philadelphia sports fan. There’s not a lot to be optimistic about right now.

 

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129 Comments for “Dark Clouds Loom Over Philadelphia Sports”

  1. It’s not so bad Denny,
    Some of these younger Fans have to learn what it really means to be a true Sports Fans and that means going thru th erough times as well as the good
    The last 6-8 Years have been great time to be a Philly Sports Fans with the ascension of the Phils, the usual Playoff Runs of the Eagles and the consistent play of the Flyers so many of these so called Fans have become spoiled to a certain extent.. Now buying into the hype of the Franchises Front Offices and Local Media is another Story, not enough Fans really follow the Competition of our Philly Teams close enough to see who else is improving,and what challenges our Teams face which is the Fans fault for blindly buying into the Hype of their Favorite Home-Town Team..
    The thing that bothers me the most is the Attitude and Work Ethic of many of the Players the Philly Teams get anymore and the adulation that’s thrown onto certain Players for playing a kids games while getting paid big $$ to do so.. The old we will out-work you, out hustle you and out-coach you are long gone for our Teams have way too many “look at me” type of Athletes where many of them seem to be going thru the motions to collect a nice pay check.. The Eagles were always a “Blue-Collar” type of Team that hustled, were smart and played for a full 60 minutes and we haven’t seen these attributes in about 5 years now which is reflection of their Coach AR who has allowed these team to become undisciplined and a lack of overall Teamwork to be a legitimate Playoff Team.. Too many showboats, surly attitudes and players to be honest are self-centered and really have not won anything to even brag about .. The Phils are too cool and don’t show enough emotion either with Players like Rollins/Utley/Howard who keep their cool and go about their business.What’s happened to the exciting passion of Werth,Ibanez and playing all 27 Outs and fighting to the end.. I just don’t see that passion from their Core PLayers any longer, maybe they are too comfortable aor figure they already won, so what’s the reason for urgency..
    The Flyers had some young talented players in Richards and Carter but gave them too large of Contracts, coddled them and even made Richards a Captain when he was still immature and lacked Leadership and the respect of the Lockeroom…
    I grew up in the 70′s and endured many Seasons of disappointment and overall Poor Ownership/Management, Poor Coaching & Poor Draft picks
    so this current Downtime we are having with Philly Sports Teams was inevitable and probably needed to help educate these young Fans that not everything in life is easy and if you want something special and big , you have to work hard, plan well and execute and have some fortune along the way just like in real life..
    I think the Fans can put with some losing seasons,but it’s the character and the effort of the players that Fans want to see, go ahead and get beat, but not beacuse a lack of trying,effort or commitment and in today athletes, as in Society in general, we just don’t see that kind of heart, that passion out of the modern day athlete where image,off the field endorsements are as important to the players,teams and leagues as the Players actual performance on the field.. They make so much $$S these days, and once they have won 1 or twice, the fire is gone for them and then it’s about a paycheck (and a pretty big one)… It’s become entertainment anymore and that’s why I don’t get emotionally attached to any of these Teams of Players anymore for they are not a reflection of the CIty and Teams they play for or the Fans that come out and support them.. Those days are long gone..

  2. It’s not so bad…

    If Andy Greed keeps losing we will be extra excited to get the number 1 pick in the draft.

    No more trading out of the first round because we are soooooo much smarter that everybody else.

    1. Trading out of the first round.
    2. Waiting years to get wide recievers.
    3. No drafting a center when the center goes down at the end of the year.
    4. drafting the oldest 1st round player in NFL history.
    5. hiring a offensive line coach to coach your defense.
    6. putting jeremiah trotter on special teams to teach him a lesson
    7. having reno mahe as your punt returner
    8. starting the season with no punt returner
    9. passing so much that you took the “play” out of play-action
    10. not using the best RB in the league with a 4th quarter lead.
    11. pitiful clock management
    12. No kick off returner in the entire 14 years of the reid era
    13. drafting undersized defesive players “fastballs” that were bums
    14. no ability to make game day adjustments
    15. being fat and expecting your athletes to respect you
    16. collecting a team of softies who put heart on a t-shirt

  3. Hunter Pence produced in San Francisco? He had a .210 batting average with 4 RBI’s in the ENTIRE playoffs. Stop it.

  4. Colin Kap for Eagles 2013 QB?

  5. Denny, this is a carbon copy of the 1990′s. It ain’t looking like it is getting any better, any sooner, either! The Birds & the Phillies, both need to be blown up. The Sixers are mired in continual, groundhog day, of mediocrity. The Flyers, while are always promising & in the hunt, are locking horns, in a lockout, & haven’t won since 1975! Well, at least we have Beer & Wing Bowl! LMFBO!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  6. @bsmvideos.. i never wanna hear the term fastballs again for this team.. you would think as fat as andy is he would love big lineman linbackers and receivers. what is his obsession with small rotating lineman?? And all his little mormon affiliations make me sick. mahe, bloom, havili, i think kevin curtis was the only one to ever produce..In his 14 year history he’s never drafted a great player on defense, NEVER!!! thats ridiculous to miss that many years in a row and keep your job

  7. but those fastballs also had HIGH MOTORS! thats the term i never want to hear again!
    The phils will make the playoffs this year in one last efffort!

  8. You have to have Vick restructure his contract to a 1 year deal and have him compete with Foles at QB next year. You cant tell a new coach all we have is Nick Foles welcome to Philly. Then you play out 2013 and get a QB in 2014. If Foles is your starter next year you still need a backup and Vick would be a top backup in this league. If Vick doesnt restructure to a 1 year deal then he is gone.

  9. i kind of agree with that dag– hadn’t thought of it that way but…
    The chances of foles being a player are low- not based on what we’ve seen so far but based on history. The league is littered with more highly touted qb’s than him that were busts-
    Not having a QB absolutely handcuffs a team for years! Look at what happens to a team when they have a qb bust mediocrity forever– scarey times.

  10. Doesn’t work. Divided locker room.

  11. @ haveacigar the one good thing about Philly teams is that they find a way to get marquee players here. They may not always be the right players but they do try. From the Phillies and Flyers always making big moves to the Eagles bringing in big name bold move players. Eithier moving up in the draft or FA. So some way some how I think they will get a frachise QB in here in the next 2 years.

  12. Its gonna be divided no matter who the backup is if/probably Nick Foles sucks. Hes not a top pick or a franchise QB so I would think the next coach could care less about Foles feelings. honestly.

  13. Lets trade for Jimmy Clausen to back up Foles so we dont divide the locker room. Gotta make sure the backup is worst than the starter. hmmmmm. Can you imagine how thats gonna work out. You bring any QB in here and Foles remains terrible its gonna divide the locker room.

  14. Meh its been a lot worse in Philly sports so I can take the birds rebuilding a year, the Phils getting ready for a last push, The Sixers getting Bynum off the rolls and Maybe the Flyers coming back and looking strong. As a fan all I can do is root and suffer along with everyone else here. Not gonna change my teams or root for single players. Here’s to better days.

  15. @ Vinnie I think you live in a fantasy world.There would be no DIVIDED locker room. I would guess 95% of the team would want Vick to strt. He is very popular and right/wrong very highly regarded. And after watching Foles play (only 2 games) i dont think DJax, Celek, Maclin etc are standing up and yelling give me some more of Foles. So no the locker room wouldnt be divided I would gather to say it probably would be 98% give me Vick to be honest with you.

  16. Yes Dag I agree with bringing back Vick under a new deal, no way he sees anything close to that money from any team. Foles isn’t the answer I don’t want Alex Smith or any Qb who gets pushed off another teams roster, unless his last name is Manning. Nobody in the Draft to get excited about so we are pretty much stuck.

  17. There’s some merit to dags suggestion, without earning the job over a highly popular Vick, foles will not win over the support of this receiving corp, especially djax, but that’s why I would get rid of djax and maclin, get big strong, fast wideouts, get a Wes walker type for the slot, the eagles receivers are weak, foles will struggle like Vick did with these weapons, except he can’t run, so don’t expect much from him either

  18. How does this always turn into a Vick thing? I dont care we are gonna stink either way next year. Bottom line is we need leaders on this team, not popular guys real leaders. Where they can be found? I dont have that answer, I just know this team has no generals on the field.

  19. Exactly.

    1 – 95% of the players do not like Vick. This became very evident with Dennis Kelly’s comments a few weeks back (“Peyton Manning would have seen that coming,” Eagles guard Dennis Kelly says of Vick’s not recognizing the blitz. “There are just times when he doesn’t see things. He never really had to worry about reading defenses.”) Vick is not as popular as you have been led to believe, especially among the lineman who have seen their reps completely torn apark with Vick under centre. Whether thats his fault or not is irrelevant, they think its his fault. One thing that is for sure is that Vick makes their job more difficult.

    2 – I would agree that DJax and Maclin probably do prefer Vick. Djax especially who loves nothing more than dancing backwards into endzones on TV highlights. I’m sure he believes Vick gives him the best chance at that.

    So right there you have a divided locker room.

    If Foles wins the job and struggles then a vocal group grumbles for Vick. Vick wins job then starts season getting sacked at his usual rate + turning ball over at career average and you have another divided locker room.

    No win scenario,

    Only option. Purge. (and that is what is going to happen)

    Good-bye vets (Vick, DJax – hopefully), Bell, all gone on O, Jenkins, Nnamdi, DRC, – hopefully- Cole, all gone on D

    Team of 1st and 2nd year players with Foles at QB…team will struggle mightily, but that’s ok. They will expect it. As long as they see slow progress forward. IF Foles is a disaster (distinctly possible) not that big a deal because he’s the guy you have so roll with it, and you can look forward to a #1 QB pick in 2014.

    The idea of keeping Vick around to “mentor” somene is a joke. The idea to keep vick around to “win now” is a joke (Honestly he’s 11-17 since his 2010 run….where exactly does the “win with Vick BS come from??”

    2 -

    • Vinnie, Dennis Kelly will be out of the league next year

      • HAHAHAHAHEHEHEAHAHHEEHEHE – WOOOOOO- sis you never cease to amaze me…Dennis Kelly? Who? Who TF is that? (I know who it is, BTW, just really, Dennis Kelly, really? thats who you quote? C’mon, seriously???

      • I disagree, He is a huge guy with some skill and he is young. Next year we will probably have a more conventional Offensive line coach. Which means he will be looking for a young big Tackle. Move Herrimans back to his Guard position.

        • You 2 are missing the pooint (as usual).

          Someone on here said that 95% of the players would prefer Vick. I do not believe that is true.

          In factI am quite sure he is pretty disliked by the members of his Oline. Who constantly get bashed in the media for being the worst ever, when they, and many of u, know that Vick plays a huge roll in that.

          I bring up a player who pointed this out, and of course he’s suddenly a POS – because how dare he mention the obvious in regards to the untouchable former superstar.

          • So if we mention 52.other guys who want Vick in there it wouldn’t matter either right? Who cares I am angry that they suck no matter who they prefer.

  20. my worry is the nfl is a league where you can go from bottom to top or top to bottom in a year. check out tampa– but you need a qb- i would never say vick is elite but chances are foles will not be a franchise qb.

  21. People Forget that Tampa Was a good Team in 2010 and then Lockout last Year rewally hurt their Team and Coach who were young and cocky (like the Eagles) and gave up halfway thru the Season last year, but when you look at their Roster, they have a very Talented Team acorss the LOS, a promising young QB , a good WR and RB Corps.. They lacked Discipline and Focus (again, similar to the Eagles) and new HC Greg Schiano has cleaned house and got rid of malcontents/ego players like TE Kellen WInslow, CB A Talib and it’s whole new Attitiude and Committment he has going on there and brought in some Players with leadership Qualities like Safety Mark Barron, RB Doug Martin, CB Eric Wright, etc,etc
    Owner Jeff Lurie should be paying very close attention to how Tampa Bay bounced back with a no-nonsense,strict disciplinarian HC and should follow suit if the Eagles are to bounce back to relevance next Season
    Eagles needs to look

  22. Veteran Players that will be Purged from Eagles This Office

    Offense – Vick, D Bell, Avant, Dunlap

    Defense – C Jenkins,J Chaney, Asmo, Coleman

  23. TB drafted their QB in the mid first round of the 2009 draft.

    He sat on the bench for 6 games before starting his first week 7. The team stuck with him despite a pretty miserable first year where he through 10 tds and 18 ints through 10 games. He had multiple multi-interception games, including a 5 int disaster at Carolina. Finished the year around 50% completion rate. 6 of his 9 games under 220 yrds, including a 93 yard, 3 interception bucked of crap he dumped in his 6th game!! This coming off the heels of his 5 int performance the week before. 6 games in and he was TERRIBLE. It is to be expected.

    Did the coaches/fans announce he was “nothing special” at that point, like several are so quick to do here after 2.5 games??

    No.

    Season 2 showed marked improvement. Much higher comp%, and a great TD to Int ratio at 25 to 6….very promising especially as his 4 or 5 best games all came at the end of the season. I would argue that his first “good” game came in week 9 that year….16 games into his career.

    What? You mean it took a complete season before he began looking like a competent QB???? That’s odd!

    But year 3 was a disaster. 15 tds and 22 ints. Though there were perhaps other circumstances that surrounded this collapse. Cancers were purged.

    Now….Freeman is having a very solid year and the team is competing.

    4 years. And it wasn’t untill around game 16 or so of his career that Freeman began “showing promise”.

    Enough of this “keep Vick around” BS. It is absolutely pointless. To evaluate Foles, he must be given at least 16 starts. That means the rest of this year, and into next. We will start getting a feel for him around week 10 next year.

    If by the end of next season he stinks, then talk about a first round QB selection has merit.

  24. @ Paulman/Vinnie Do you understand what is coming Sunday night? Do you understand Foles might not make it through the game. If you think passing for 100 yards vs the Carolina at home was difficult can you imagine what is in store for Foles against Dallas and D Ware and 2 pretty good CB? Dallas needs this game and honestly I see a 5 sack 12-36 yard 116 yard 3 int 42-6 blow out. I didnt catch the former GMs name on WIP this morning but he stated to Angelo and company that it didnt matter what Foles did the rest of the year. No new coach is gonna come in here and have him start.They will definetly want thier guy. Foles will be a backup at best next year.

  25. And by “their guy” they mean who exactly?

    A top 5 pick? Geno Smith will go first to the Chiefs who will regret it for the next 4 years. Barkle comes next and whoever gets him will enjoy the curse of USC QBs.

    There is no “their guy” at this coming draft…none that I’ve heard of anyway.

    Who cares if Foles does what you say anyway? I don’t put much stock into rookie QBs until weks 12-16 the earliest….neither do most GMs/coaches. That’s how long it takes.

    You realize that McNabb, in his 4th start (against the Cowboys) was 7 of 17 for 49 yards and an interception? Before he left that game with an injury.

    I guess you would have wanted Reid to bring in a new guy at that point right? Because obviously he was a complete failure. Hitting only 40% of his passes and all….In his 4th start no less (+2 earlier 1/2 games). Shoulda given up on the guy. He was a BUM!

    As for what is really in store…I dunno….I’m very interested in seeing what will happen. This will be the first time Foles will have seen the same opponent 2x. His first action against them was decent. I hope he improves.

  26. If you guys are hoping for us to get a franchise QB, within the next year, or so, you all better hope that the Falcons don’t franchise tag Flacco. Because that’s the only franchise QB available, soon. There ain’t no franchise QB’s coming out of this draft, & Foles ain’t the answer. That’s why in my opinion, they need to rebuild both lines to be physically dominant, get a big, play-making WR, 2-3 play-makers in the secondary, that ain’t allergic to contact, & a natural SAM.

  27. do you mean franchise ryan or flacco? and i’m not basing my thoughts that foles might not be able to play based on the last couple of games or even the next 5- i’m saying the number of qb’s that make a big impact are few and far between.
    hey if he turns out to be a flacco that is 20 for 30 for 250 2 td’s and 0 pics.. hey i’ll take it!

  28. There Will Be PaulMan

    I’m pretty sure that Holmgren knew Parise/Suter were not going to sign in Philly, but made the large offers to get division rivals out of the running for either player. The Flyers were locked in on Weber since the beginning. Who in their right mind thinks that Weber is ever option 3? (that’s farking stoooooopid)

  29. @ Dcar I can’t agree with you there. The most important position in all of prosports is QB and you need that Franchise guy. I agree with your layout for building up the lines ect but throughout the Superbowl era Only Earl Moral, Jim Mcmahon, Doug williams, Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer were Not Franchise guys. Thats one every 10 years or so. Im not saying we couldnt win without one…Just the percentages go down tremendously for a non franchise QB to win a SB.

    • You don’t have to have a franchise/ top tier QB, to win a SB. But I agree, they have to be at least solid-good.

  30. Look at the Probable PLayoff Teams this Year and see who is an Elite Qb

    NFC – Giants,Packers ( Eli and Rodgers are Elite QB’s)
    49ers,Seahawks,Bears,Falcons,TB Bucs.- are any of these TeamsQB’s Elite..

    AFC – Patriots, Bronco’s have Tom Brady & Peyton Manning
    Texans,Ravens,Bengals,Steelers,Colts. Do these Teams have QB’s considered Elite .. I don’t think Schaub,Flacco,Dalton,Big Ben and Luck are
    Elite at this Time..

    What these Teams do have is Solid Coaching, a Committed Roster of Players who play hard and have each others back and play with Pasion and Energy on a week to week basis and are strong in Fundamental Football..

    Eagles couldn’t hold a candle to any of the these Teams

  31. Ok lets switch the words of elite and change it to FRANCHISE QBs. Eli and Rogers are Elite. Cutler, Ryan are Franchise QBs. Wilson and Kirkpatrick/Smith are on dominating defensive teams with great run-games. 49ers are so dominating in all aspects they can actually win with game manager. Seattle a nice team but will never win SB IMO with Wilson, nice little player. AFC Brady, Manning and Rothlisberger(hes friggin elite). Shaub, Luck, Flaco, Dalton are all franchise QBs.

  32. Those QB’s may not be elite but they are having elite seasons…because their team as a whole, is well, pretty damn good!

    “Team sport” is a concept that you guys just don’t get! To have a solid team in all areas, wow, definitely helps the QB win games….

  33. to Xevious

    Do you consider Bob Griese as a “Franchise QB”, I don’t he was a great game manager and smart player that played within his physical limitations

    QB Brad Johnson of Tamp Bay was no great Athlete of Elite QB either
    Jim PLunkett of the Raiders who beat the Eagles in 2000 could barely move

    As far as playing Foles for the rest of the Season
    Why not, what is there to lose, VIck will be gone after this Season
    There is not going to be a restructure deal, he is dead gone,
    Owner Lurie and Banner did not want him to begin with and it was only thru the Lobbying Efforts of Andy Reid and Don McNabb that Vick even got a chance to play for the Eagles.. Now fast-forward 4 Years later and Vick has not proven to be consistent enough to be a Winner in the NFL but his 10-16 Record over his last 26 Games as a Starter for the Team..
    With Coach AR and Staff Gone, there is no vested interest in keeping Mike VIck around by Owner Lurie, new VP of Ops Tom Donahoe nad GM Roseman since they are not tied to Vick for any reason..

    Eagles HAve Foles and trent Edwards under Contract for next Season and will pick-up another QB from somewhere to compete next off-season/summer camp and of course a lot will depend on who the next HC will be and what their Philosophy will be but my guess is that Eagles will have a Defensive Minded Coach who will rely on McCoy/Brown and a Strong Running game meaning having an Elite QB will not be neecessary to run the Eagles Offense for the next Season or 2..
    Eagles can rebound and need to look at the Ravens and 49ers Systems for these Teams have been productive enough Offensively with limited QB’s and WR’s the last couple of Seasons
    Look at the NFC East– QB’s Eli MAnning and his WR Corp, Redksins with RGIII and a good young RB In Morris and some young WR’s .. These Teams are goign to be around for a while…
    now the Cowboys have improved their OL and Secondary which were their biggest weaknesses comign into this Year and expect them to remain competitive for the short-term as they will keep Romo and live or die with him

    • Paul Really? Bob Griese is a 6 time Pro-bowler 2 time superbowl winner and a HOFer. I agree he wasnt flashy but he was a franchise guy. Made the bowl 3 times. I forgot about Johnson But Plunkett was the #1 pick of the draft and came into his own as a Raider Not only did he win in 1980 not 2000 but he won in 1983 also. He wasnt mobile at all but what does that matter if he won? Franchise QBs win because they beat good teams with other franchise or good Qbs.

      I dont understand why it’s even discussed not to start Foles. This Offense has 2 Starters 3 if you count the FB Starting where they should be this weekend. Maclin and Celek. Mathis is going to be starting at center it seems. Foles needs to get experience, and this is the perfect time for it. We need a leader on both sides of the ball next year. For all this Demeco is a leader talk in the preseason…he isnt a leader. On offense all you had was Dynasty talk…lets not forget that stupid pronouncement from the mount. Clean out these clowns and build a team full of winners. Draft from winning programs…sign free-agents from winning teams…all these former Titans and bengals…..begone.

  34. Heres a better question. Name me 1 starting QB in the NFL between the ages of 20-30 you would take Nick Foles over TODAY. Then tell me 1 team in the NFL that would trade thier starting QB to the Eagles (today) for Nick Foles, any team. Then after you cant find any team that wont do that your telling me hes the starting QB for the Eagles next year. So basically the Philadelphia Eagles are the ONLY team in the NFL that Nick Foles can start for.is the Philadelphia Eagles. Un f$%king believable. Can you imagine the NY Jets calling the Eagles and saying we will take Nick Foles over Vick as our starting QB next year. lol

    • I’ll give you 4. I’d take Foles because these guys don’t seem better or have proved no upside potential exists, while at least Foles may have upside.

      Gabbert in Jax (if you still consider him a starter)
      Quinn/Cassel in KC (both have proved horrible)
      Lindley in AZ (he’s a fill-in starter just like Foles)
      Sanchez in NY (terrible – even worse than Vick)

      I think most people would take a prospect over a resurrection project any day. Vick is a proven turnover and injury specialist with a couple playoff appearances. If you don’t strive for better, your team won’t get better. Sometimes that means trying someone out who isn’t an instant All-Pro and dealing with the consequences.

  35. Xevious

    Phil Simms,Lenny Dawson,Joe Theisman,Doug WIlliams,Trent Dilfer,Brad Johnson,Jeff Hostetler,Bob Griese,etc,etc..
    It’s about the entire Roster,the Coaching Staff, the SPecial Teams play and a lot of things going your way to Win a Championship.. The last few Seasons we have seen Teams like the Giants/Packers get into the Playoffs with 9-10 Wins and then get on a roll and dominate thru the Playoffs..
    We have also seen recent Teams like the Seahawks,Cardinals,Bears with Rex Grossman no less, get to the Super Bowl over the last 7-8 Years, only to lose, but make it in without having dominating Seasons..

    • Who cares if you get there and lose? Thats one of the reasons they lost because they didnt have the franchise QB. Wait your saying Simms Dawson THeisman Griese werent franchise QBs? . Those guys played in a different era and certainly were franchise QB’s in their time. Granted today they would be seen as game managers but as the time flows so does the definition of a Franchise QB. Those four were definitely Franchise guys for their eras. Im not gonna insult you by questioning your knowledge man but seriously you have to take each Qb in context.

  36. Dag common sense is in short supply here, how bad must Edwards be that he isn’t in the equation. I will say this again Foles only had a third round grade on the Eagles draft board everyone else had a fifth round or higher grade on him. Ladies and gentlemen your 2013 starting QB.

  37. Xevious any player who is a Starter you can call a “Franchise QB” since he’s that Franchise’s Starte

    MAtt Hasselback for Seattle, good QB, their Franchise QB but not elite by any stretch
    Same with Bob Greise, played on a great Team with an awesome OL,RB’s and WR and Coaching.. He played smart and was a natural Leader and won some SB’s with some great Teams..but stop confusing a Franhise QB and an ELirte QB which are 2 Different Things..

    Rex Grossman was the Bears “Franchise QB for a couple year, took them to a SUper Bowl, was he Elite, hell no..
    Brad Johnson was teh TB Bucs “Franchise QB” for a couple years, took them and won a SB, was he Elite and can win a game on his own, hell no..

    Wake up and smell the Coffee..

    Eagles don’t need an “Elite QB’ they need a complete better Team and better Coaching and a more physical ,run first mentality and philosophy

    • No Elite and Franchise should be interchangable. Just because you don’t understand the difference in Era’s or that those intangibles are what make a great QB isnt my fault. You play semantics to prove your point, No football person would have to play the word game to prove their point. Calling Hassleback, Grossman and Johnson Franchise guys to prove you are right is amatuer hour dude. They are clearly journeyman guys that had career years. To call compare Grossman and Griese is laughable man….Not every Franchise guy has a cannon…Thats why before every draft they ask who is a potential Franchise QB..Someone who can be built around and lead a franchise to a superbowl…Elite my ass. I know the game and I know it’s History..Dont try to belittle my opinion with a “wake up and smell the coffee” comment. Your opinion is yours and your welcome to it….but dont play semantics with me…play it with someone who doesnt have a clue.

  38. Biglion dont laugh but I swear to you I thought Trent Edwards was the best QB on this team. I honestly believe he is the best choice at runnning this WCO. I think the Eagles (like usual) cant evaluate draft picks and thier own players. I thought he was very similar to Jeff Garcia. Hes only 28 years old and he Could be your stop gap until a franchise QB is brought in.

  39. Why play Edwards at this point, the Season is over, you spent a 3rd Pick on a QB that you hope has some upside and can play in the NFL, this is the time when your out of Playoff Contention to find out about these things just like playing Vinny Curry and releasing Babin who is no longer in their future plans for when Coach AR and his Staff are fired on 12/31/2012, there will be no more Wide-9 so why bother keeping Babin around.. .
    If the Eagles finish 3-13 or 5-11, does it really matter..
    As far as Draft Postion, I would rather the Eagles play their young players, lose out and finish 3-13 and they should have a Top 4 Pick in every round
    and then try to Trade a Vick,Asmo,C Jenkins, T Cole,J Avant, and see if you can add 3-4 Draft Selections.. With the current Eagles Roster, we have already seen over the last 2 Seasons with their 11-16 Record, of what they can do so what’s the point of bringing these overpaid players back, we already know that they can’t win so let’s move forward

  40. @timm please refresh my memory when Nick Foles has proven ANY upside. That is Philly fans made up propaganda. Oh yeah he was a 3rd round pick, (Eagles draft history tells us he is a stud)lol. Oh yeah he threw for a couple tds in preseason. Didnt Edwards do the same? Hell if we go by preseason stats Phillip Hunt should have 30 sacks by now. D Johnson should have 1500 yards recieving. Philly fans make up shit. He has more potential then Sanchez? really? says who? For as bad as Sanchez is hes led 2 Jets teams to AFC championship games. But Nick Foles two pathetic starts and his 50 qb rating has shown more potential? really? hmmmmm. Eagle fans made up shit at work.

    • If you believe that starting 2 games in a horrible offensive scheme with a lame duck coach and weak offensive line is a solid test on which you can make an accurate and sound assessment, then your opinion just doesn’t mean anything at all. The guy has made some good throws and some bad. He fumbles as badly as Vick. But the only way you can tell if a QB can keep up with the speed of the pro game is to give him snaps against starters. He hasn’t had enough yet.

      Sanchez has been given several years of snaps. He’s not getting much better. And if you think he IS good, then since his first year’s QB rating of 63.0 is worse than Foles’ 65.3, you’ve made the case that Foles will be a playoff quarterback – which is a nonsense conclusion to make… why?…. because Foles hasn’t played enough to reach any conclusions!

      You’re comments make your opinions even less credible – like saying Eagle fans make stuff up while this Eagle fan quotes actual league stats above and you make up a bogus 50 QB rating for Foles. So spare me that crap.

      Foles may be the next Bobby Hoying – but more time is needed to come up with a grade for the kid.

  41. Paulman why not play Edwards? Hes 28 years old. Hes as old as 1st round pick Weeden. Why not see what Edwards can do. At 28 he can play QB for next 3-4 years while you get a franchise QB. I would take the odds that his next 2-4 years are better than Foles. He seems like a great option at game manager. Why not? We arent talking about replacing a top 10 pick. Foles is a 3rd round pick with a 5th round grade.

  42. Xevious,
    15-20 Teams in the NFL have their “Franchise QB in place” even though most of them are not “Elite QB’s” yet due to their inexperience,new Coaches and Schemes but they are not the same and don’t understand why you think they are interchangeable..
    Teams Draft young QB with hopes that their Franchise QB becomes an Elite QB but thus takes time to develop
    Matt Ryan is in his 4th-5th Year with the Falcons and is finally playing at a high-consistent Level.. Packers Aaron Rodgers rode the Bench for 3 Seasons, then struggled his first year as a Starter before settliing and is now one of the Top 3 QB in the NFL..
    Teams like the Titans with Locker, Browns with Weeden, Dolphins with Tannehill, Seahawks with Wilson , Jags with Gabbert, Vikings with Ponder are all hopeing their “Franchise QB”s become good to elite NFL QB’s but this will not occur in 1-2 Years
    You are the one confusing the 2, not me..

    • No dude its you…They draft potential franchise QB’s and hope that they develop into a Franchise or Elite QB. Im not letting you off the hook with this man…you think a team wants to call an ok or fair QB their franchise guy…No never…They hope that the guys you named will potentially be the franchise QB to lead their teams to a Superbowl…If they are that good they are usually GONE….Franchise QB’s Dont usually leave their teams until the end…Exceptions of course are Brees and manning. Keep trying to twist it so your correct though….its entertaining to say the least.

  43. Your making too much sense Daggolden.

  44. eagles0superbowls

    if Andy Reid gets a new head coaching position next year – I offer him Watkins, Graham, Allen and Kendricks for a 7th round draft pick

  45. The Ol and WR’s don’t need another QB who hasn’t played in 4 Months to run the Offense these last 4-5 weeks
    Now have an open competition next Summer is fine and needed, but since the Decision was to go to FOles, who the Team has more invested in him and is under Contract for a coupld of Years, then get him out there and see what he can do..
    I am not sure how many of you relalize how little/few snaps a 3rd String QB gets during the Season, they are relegated as playing on the Scout Team for the Defense’s beneifit and not really working with the #1′s and oever #2′s on the Offense.. Pro Players practice about 2-3 Day’s a week anymore which is some of the reason why the overall play in the NFL has gotten worse over the last few years and why such fundamentals like blocking/tackling are just not focused enough ..

  46. Take the training wheels off of #9 and let the dude play
    enough of this RB leading recvr crap..
    lets go downfield with some 5 and 7 step drops…some throws to the TE down the seam
    We featured Brown last week…
    Let’s feature Foles this week

  47. Paulman really,he is one sack away from playing Sunday night. Snaps or no snaps.

  48. Oh wait Vinnie says Foles hardly ever gets sacked so never mind.

  49. Yes,BL821 and that can happen any week with any game, but you game plan with who you are planning to play and right now it’s Foles which means he gets all the snaps with teh Starters, etc,etc.. There is not enough time with 2-3 Days of Practice Time to give Reps to 2 QB’s and at this point
    to change to a 3rd QB with a bunch of Back-up players along teh OL and now even with D-Jax out with 4-5 weeks to go with a guy who hasn’t taken a snap since August makes no sense at this point.
    What does make sense is that the Eagles need to find out about Foles over these last 5 Games and see if he can be a legitimate NFL Starter and right now after 2 Games he has not looked at that good, but if he can improve little by little each week and develop some thythm/chemistry then who knows.. Edwards is under Contract for 2013 and will battle with Foles next Summer Camp while Mike Vick is playing for the Arizona Cardinals, NY Jets or up in Canada..
    Trade Alert
    Eagles Trade QB Vick, CB Asmo and WR Avant to the NY Jets for Sanchez and CB Derrel Rivas who the Jets will not re-do his Contract after injury and have an out with him after this Season..

  50. Paulman I would bet you that Trent Edwards could come off the bench and throw for 116 yards with 0 practice and look better than Foles. So what your telling me is Foles got all the reps last week, played a pathetic Carolina team at home and looked that bad? I cant wait until Sunday night lol. 8 in the box, take away Bryce Brown and tell Napolean Dynamite beat us. What improvement do you think your gonna see Sunday night. Oh yeah I love this one. That was a nice audible to a run play.lol. That was the extent of his praise.

  51. More FANTASY Bull&&&T. We are looking for improvement to see if Foles can play. He CANT succeed. There is noway. Even if I thought he was a player there is noway with this oline, recievers and situation that Foles can/will show anything. Who the hell thinks Foles is gonna succeed in Dallas this weekend? What do you possibly think he will show Sunday night? On the road, primetime vs pretty good defense and pass rush and a team that will probably score 40-50 points. Hes in a position to fail.

  52. Good to see you hoping he’s a bust daggolden. I can’t wait till Sunday night – to see him fail….Then maybe your favourite former superstar can come back I guess? Then the PJs can be worn again??

    Vick is not coming back.

    If Foles fails, then its a QB in the next draft and a year and a half developing him.

    Will you give that next QB 2.5 games before calling him useless too?

    Then another new QB in 2014. Give him 2.5 games and turf his ass…..

  53. Daggolden, you sound like an imbecile, or some scorned woman, foles is a big quarterback with a big arm, he’s shown good pocket awareness, he will get bigger stronger, he made some bad throws, poor decisions like all rookie quarterbacks do, he needs time, the tools are there, although it will be tough this Sunday with these weapons , give him 8-10 starts and you will see him develop

  54. Yawn oh my the internet gurus insulted me. Insult away Nick Foles still sucks.lol . “It may be hard for Foles to succeed given his weapons” lol . ” My daddy big and strong and gonna get bigger and stronger you wait and see”! And Vinnie I wish he was Tom Brady but Im not living in a fantasy world. What the hell do you think is gonna happen Sunday night? Most fans it took abot 6 starts to tell Kevin Kolb couldnt play. 2 down for Foles with Dallas on tap. Pssst Foles has plenty of weapons, Brown filled in nicely and DJax is only 1 trick pony anyway : )

  55. Why can’t he dislike the player w/o being ” an imbecile, or some scorned woman,” ?????

    • I dont know? But these dumb asses have the nerve to get mad now, about things they have been doing for the last 3 seasons, just with a different QB…its comical….

      • Two different circumstances. A high priced vet with 10 years and a rookie with two starts apples and oranges. Keep it real dawg.

  56. Fans make me laugh. You cant have different opinions. You cant disagree. My opinion is that Nick Foles is a backup and stinks. Jakedog and Vinnies opinion is that he is a franchise QB. My opinion is that Foles will suck on Sunday night. Vinnie and Jakedogs opinion is that he will show improvement and be fine. Its ok to disagree. We will see Monday morning who is right. If Foles plays well and becomes Peyton Manning I will be wrong. If Foles doesnt play well and is Bobby Hoying I will be right. No excuses. We will discuss his game Vinnie and Jakedog Monday. Fair enough?

    • Just give the kid more than 2 damn games..I think the rest of the year is a fair assesment that will be 7 starts. It looks like you want him to fail. No Eagles fan should want that. Its not like you can really tell much after these 2 games see if he can adjust.

      • THE KID DOESN’T DESERVE TWO MORE GAMES! Only you fans with some type of agenda, are anointing him the future of the Eagles….I’ve never heard anyone in the front office, coach AR, MM say that Foles will be future franchise QB of the Eagles…No one wants to see him fail, like many of you wanted to see Vick fail…But one thing is for sure, if Foles is a long way from the status that you guys want to label him, this early in the game! And that is real talk!

        • Yes a fan with the Agenda of seeing if someone can actually play more than two games and maybe learn something. We saw Vick fail for 10 years but that was ok. 10 years vs 2 games its way too early in any game to say he is a failure. Its a joke it’s even being mentioned. Thats real talk!

          • Really? We saw Vick fail for 10 years, really? I recall seeing Vick win games by HISSELF. I recall seeing Vick win games…Fact of the matter is Vick has better than a .500 winning pct……don’t talk as if he is a losing record QB..A 56-43-1 record doesn’t scream failure to me At some point when will you understand that some QB’s were placed in the right position from the very start which helped them..due to having strong defense, solid O Line, solid coaching…

            Also, if you can read…you’ll note that I never said Foles was a failure…I simply said He has done nothing to deserve the label you and your buddies want to give him…and the talk gets no realer than that!!! Tell me what he has done to deserve being the QB of the future for this Eagles team…and I’ll digress!

            • I have given him the label of Rookie, he was drafted to play QB in the NFL and to learn the position. He Deserves the chance to learn more than two games. He Deserves the benefit of the doubt you give Vick every single game. You even make excuses for him here,

              “when will you understand that some QB’s were placed in the right position from the very start which helped them..due to having strong defense, solid O Line, solid coaching…”

              Yeah sometimes that happens, but he has never ever been placed in the right position it seems. Same tired old story 56-43-1 Out of the top 11 starters this year 2nd worst winning percentage behind only Matt Hassleback. He’s as good as Hassleback. Congrats!! At least Matt Made the Superbowl. Mike Vick is Tony Romo without Tony’s Passing skill. Both can evade the rush Tony can pass where Mike could run….Both Turn the ball over and lose when it counts. Problem with Mike is he’s slowing down his best days are behind him. Thats as real as it gets my friend.

  57. So you can tell after 2 Starts that Foles sucks? Why arent you on an NFL team evaluating talent? A gift like that could make you real money. Bottom line seems you want the kid to fail..If you didnt you wouldn’t be ripping him so badly after 2 starts. The kid needs at least 6-8 games to get up to speed. All the other rookies took the first team snaps in preseason and continued to grow. I believe only Tannenhill and Wilson were even in competition. Its plain BS to rip a kid that is starting his 3rd NFL game without most of his starters. Its good to know that if this gets ugly Sunday some Eagles fans will get pleasure seeing it. Again it just shows where peoples loyalties really lie.

    Also Trent Edwards should look better than Foles if given the opportunity to play since he has 20 something starts in the league. Only makes sense no?

  58. I can tell he is just a game manager why can’t you? He looks worse then Gabbert in Jacksonville he will not become the man playing lights out in pre season means nothing. Ask Phillip Hunt.

    • Because I cant tell anything after 2 games and neither can you. NFL game is much faster than college it takes time to adjust..if he cant adjust you boot him. But not after two games. The kid deserves a fair chance.

      • After 2 games I knew Gabbert blew chunks. I could run a list longer then this thread of guys you knew couldn’t play on first sight and you could too. If you played the game above high school level tell who can and cannot play sorry that’s just my opinion.

  59. Everybody needs to STFU no one knows if he is good or bad at this point. No one can tell if he’s a game manager. NO ONE! His second start on a team of quitters and people are judging him as a success or failure. Some of the most ridiculous claims ever on here

    • You STFU…Fact of the matter is you are making excuses! He’s a rookie, I’ll give you the rookie excuse but that is it….don’t put the blame on other players due to his ineffectiveness. Trent Edwards isn’t 30, Foles keeps stinking it up, bench his ass! He has done nothing to deserve anyone’s loyalty at this point, he is a rookie, he has not paid any dues to the NFL or this team…Nor has he done anything eyebrow raising to win this team a game yet…I’m tired of the backward talking!

  60. What I want is irrelevant. It has no bearing on Nick Foles performance or his life. I could tell after 2 games Danny Watkins sucked. I could tell after 4 games Kurt Coleman couldnt play. I could tell after 2 plays vs the ST Louis Rams Casey Matthews couldnt play. Need I go on?

  61. Actually I lie, I actually thought Kurt Coleman could play. I thought he was aggressive and a player. I was wrong. It was Nate Allen when I saw him get run over 2-3 times in his first couple of games I said wow the draft reports were right he is soft.

  62. I agree with golden. If you know football you can tell after a few games if the guys going to suck or not. Nick Foles is not a starter in this league. He wasnt even a starter at Michigan State so he went to a lesser school to start.. He just doesnt have it. Its not hard to see.

  63. Also, foles does not have a big arm.. His size does not correlate to his arm strength. The defense is getting to the ball on all of his throws becuase he doesnt put enough zip on it . and all of his deep balls were underthrown

  64. Cigar I am going on what I see it’s just my opinion I could be wrong I hope I’m wrong but again why do you think Foles will be anything better then the other reaches on this roster.

  65. Also, foles does not have a big arm.. His size does not correlate to his arm strength. The defense is getting to the ball on all of his throws because he doesnt put enough zip on it . and all of his deep balls were under thrown.

  66. Daggolden and larwd football geniuses wasting their talent on gcobb

  67. I’m not saying he’s a player but you DON’T know enough to say that. You are watching it on tv you know NOTHING! You have an opinion.
    Belichek had Brady on the bench because even he didn’t know how he’d do.

  68. jakedog dont be mad its all opinions. Im not mad at ya. All we can do is watch the games and evaluate what we see. I mean Im not really into the hes gonna do this in the future because thats really just a guess isnt it? What I can do is watch the game Sunday night and evaluate what Nick Foles has done vs the Cowboys because that is factual. I mean taking what we see alawys trumps what we think may happen. Then we will discuss it Monday.

  69. There are many universal geniuses that never get there shot because of politics or only care to post online and watch from afar. The guys shows nothing against bad defenses.

  70. He had Brady on the bench because Bledsoe could still play. So he became a genius because Bledsoe got hurt. And that is fact.

  71. And if you or anyone can say someone is soft or a punk, then I can look at Foles and say I don’t think he’s good, but I hope I’m wrong

  72. You can just tell. If you know football. After 2. If you know football. Which clearly you two geniusses do.

    So Drew Brees’…you could just tell he’s be good.
    1st game when he went 10 of 30 for 97 yrds and 2 ints…..you could just tell
    2nd game 17 of 31 for 181 otds and 1 int…you could just tell
    3rd game 10 of 18 for 104 1td 1int…you could just tell

    Or Tom Brady…when he came in…you gurus could just tell after 2 games
    1st game 5 of 10 for 46 yrds…you could just tell
    2nd game 13 of 23 for 96 yrds 1 td…you could just tell
    3rd game 13 of 23 for 168…you could just tell
    4th game 12 of 24 for 86 yrds…you could just tell

    Or Arron Rodgers…amazing that you could just tell that he was going to be good after 2 games…because the Pack couldn’t tell
    Second year in NFL: 1st game: 8 of 15 for 65 and 1 int…you could just tell but the Pack couldn’t
    3rd Year:y Second game: 4 of 12 for 32….now this clearly was enough for you clowns (2 games and all) you could tell…but the Pack couldn’t
    4th year Third game 18 of 28 for 201…you could tell

    Take your “you can tell bullshit” and bury it under your former superstar posters.

    You cannot tell anything untill at least 1/2 a season is done. Most QBs don’t begin playing effectively in the NFL untill they are about 16 games in.

    I have no idea whether Foles is good or not, though he does seem to have command and knows the playbook, which is all you can ask for for the first 6-8 games.

    The most ironic partr of this whole discussion is that you two clowns claim to “know football” and can “just tell” Foles is terrible after 2 games, yet you seem to not be able to tell that Vick is terrible after 100!

    • Sis, you are banking on foles being a Brady…that would be like hitting the powerball…unfortunately that just doesn’t happen…When a QB is drafted in the 1st and 2nd round they are considered big time prospects…They will start straight from the start or they will pay their dues like Rodgers did, and then get their opportunity…
      Brees drafted in 2nd round, Rodgers drafted in 1st round…Those are the type of players that teams hitch their wagon too..Those players were proven players before the NFL and were drafted high as a result…

  73. The people I’ve called punks have a long history and in some cases criminal records to prove it. They don’t earn that in two games.
    It’s the nature of a fan, idiots on here were calling for Foles after preseason, now they are saying he sucks in two games. Let it play out is all I’m saying.

  74. Id like to see another game . but FOles couldnt cut it at Michigan State and so far he cant here..

  75. What harm does it do anyone if Foles plays out the Season..
    The Eagles are not going to win more than 1-2 Games if any at all this last part of the Season.. So play the kid and see what he’s got…
    The worst that happens is that he proves he cannot play at the NFL Level
    on the Positive side, if he can improve and play well behind a 2nd String OL and some Receivers and main RB out, then he potentially has some Promise once the Starters Return Next Season (Peters,Kelce,Herremans,McCoy, D-JAx) so it’s really a win-win for him and for the Team in the long run which is how we as Fans should be looking at these final 5 Games where winning any of them is basically meaningless at this point since the Coaching Staff will be gone and why hurt the Draft Status
    as of Right now Eagles would have the Following Selections

    1st Rd (4th Overall)
    2nd Rd (36th Overall)
    3rd Rd (68th Overall)
    4th Rd (100th Overall)
    5th Rd (132nd Overall)
    6th Rd (164th Overall)
    7th Rd (196th Overall)

    Now if the Eagles can Trade CB Asmo for a 3rd Rounder
    C Jenkins for a 4th/5th Rounder
    J Avant for the 5th/6th Rounder

    They could end up with 7 PLayers in the Top #150 which would be a nice Start to Rebuilding this Franchise and then add a Big Target WR (Bowe)
    and a Strong Safety (Jarius Byrd) and maybe an RT through Free-Agency
    and they could be right back in the hunt..
    But they need to cut the Cancer out and these players who continue to make excuses (like Vick,Asmogoah in particular) to make any steps forward

    • Do you really think anyone in the NFl watching these games will take Asmo in a trade? Its been 2 years of just AWFUL.

    • Unfortunately fraud in the real world no one will give you a 3 for Namdi and pick up that contract they watch the games too. And the other trades couldn’t happen either. Therefore when they don’t make those trades you will say “Fraudman said” like it was ever a possibility.

  76. Cripes Larrwd, you make it sound as if he went to SE Pigknuckle St after he left Sparty. He played at Arizona. It is pretty clear from your posts before and after the game that you don’t want him to succeed, so how does that make you any different than Vinnie the Vick basher?

  77. Vinnie how convienently you bring up Aaron Rogers Drew Brees and Tom Brady. You bring up 3 QBS that made it and fail to recognize the 200 that didnt make it. For every Aaron Rogers there are 50 QBs who dont make it especially 3rd round picks with 5th round talent. Hell Foles should of been a top 10 pick. I will see you Monday. I tell you what you better come with more than he had a good audible to a running play.

  78. I was actually was a Foles advocate and supported the drafting.. However It cant be forgotten that he couldnt beat out the redskins back up QB at MSU..

  79. Your Right Xevious on Asmo

    Probably a 4th/5th Pick in Return
    But Teams like the Lions,Redksins and the NY Jets if they buy our Revis could be interested

  80. Tyrann Mathieu will enter this years upcoming NFL Draft. As I predicted months ago on this site, the Eagles will draft him. There is no two ways about it. Expect Mathieu to be an Eagle after the draft. He will most likely be the Birds 1st overall pick. Forget all the off the field issues, his abilities and leadership outway them.

  81. Manti Teo is another player Id target in this draft. The birds will be picking very high this year so theyll have options. This also should be the year they look to draft a bigger more physical wr. Someone with no durability issues. I ll need to hear from GM Cliff on who would be a good wr to look at. I ll have to do my due diligence as well..

    • Sign Bowe as a Free Agent.

      • That’s a good option. Im tired of the whole free agent signing thing, especially with how it has turned out for the team thus far. The redskins are the team that used to do this, now were the new redskins.. sad but true. I need the Birds to build thru the draft not free agency. But, Bowe is a good player. Hes 28 yrs old, 6’2 221pounds, physical receiver. Plays for a terrible team with no QB. He wont be franchised, hes gonna be there if the birds wanna go that route.

  82. What is Ruben Amaro doing? I do not worry that the Braves signed BJ Upton. I think he is overrated. Now I read the Nationals signed Denard Span. He was my choice) Hopefully he goes after Pagan because Bourn will cost too much(read Boras).Besides he is left handed. Not Hamilton either. Too much baggage. I hope he is not going to give up the arms on the farm.(Biddle,May,Petitbone etc.) in a trade. This team is old and we do not need more high priced old players.

  83. I see the mediators made no progress with the greedy combatants at the NHL meetings. Bettman and Fehr need to just close it down. I will miss hockey. The Flyers are my favorite local team. The fans have walked away Messr. Bettman and Fehr. We are not interested in whatever diluted product you will try to shove down our throats. You want to fix the problems. First liquidate the franchises that are a money drain. TB,FLA, COLUMBUS,PHX,DAL,CAR,. Reduce the schedule to 60 games This a niche sport in the US. It will never be anything more than that. Reduce ticket prices across the board to bring in the real fans of the game and keep the pretenders out. Once the players and owners accept the fact that you will always be the #4 sport in this country and appreciate the fans you do have maybe you will gain some perspective. As much as I love the Flyers I am debating seriously about re-upping season tickets.

  84. Eagles will not have interest in former LSU Matthieu
    1) way immature with a lot baggage
    2) too small (Eagles already have small CB’s in Boynkin and Hughes for it’s very likely they will part ways with both Asmo for sure and even possibly DRC
    3) with his checkered past and arrests, he’s probably 3rd-4th Rd pick
    4) as a Returnnan, eagles already have D-Jax, D Johnson and Boynkin who can Handle
    5) next regime running the Eagles (which is already under way with Tom Donahoe are going to gut this steam with the pissy attitude players they already have and it started with Babin and will continue with others so why would they bring in another immature young punk onto the steam

    It’s not going to happen, JH
    Not a friggin chance

    • Paul, he calls you the fraud. JH is the biggest fraud on here! LIL BRON BRON! We are going to have a top 5 pick. We ain’t drafting a guy, who was expelled for multiple failed drug tests, is 5’9″, hasn’t played all year, & doesn’t have the maturity to even listen to his coaches, who bent over backwards to help him! Yeah that’s the brilliant move for us to make, with our 1st pick. We need to get bigger, stronger, faster, play-makers. No more mighty mites, with high motors. Can you imagine what we will be doing, if that happens. We would be killing Rosebuds, or whoever is running things. It ain’t happening. Manti Te’o, all the way. Move him to SAm. Move Kendricks to WILL, where he is a perfect fit, for his skill set. 2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds, you go linemen. Both D-line & O-line. Sign a veteran OT & Safety in FA.

  85. QB Flacco, WR Bowe, OT’s Albert/ Long/ Clady, & S Goldson/ Byrd. My preferences. IMHO, Jason Peters is done & too risky, after 2 torn Achilles tears, age & size. We need a franchise QB, a big WR, & 2 safeties (draft 1, sign 1), & an entire O-line.

    • there is no way baltimore lets flacco walk. they love him. my wife and her bro are season ticket holders and really tuned into the team. he is a raven for a long time. the ex-blue hen is happy there and i think they are happy with him.

  86. You can’t expect the Birds to transform this entire team in one off season… its going to take a little time. But the Birds need more help in the secondary. It would surprise me if they go Manti Teo in the first bc the Birds never draft LB’s in the first round, never. Now as GMC mentioned DT Star Lotulelei is someone they would look at too. But secondary is the biggest problem spot and we all can see that, its the safety position in particular. I see them going Tyrann Mathieu with one of the first few picks. And he will not play corner, He will play Free Saftey, an Ed Reed/Troy P type. You cant pass on him if hes there. He has way too much ability and strong leadership. Because he had off the field problems that makes him less worthy of a selection even though it will improve the team? By the way, hes 5’9.. Stop with the 5’6 5’5 crap. There are alot of free safeties in the league at that height or around it. Nate Allen is 6’1 207 and plays terrible so its not all about height and weight. Maybe at the draft workouts that matters…

    • Did you just compare a smacked @$$ like Mathieu, to 2 future HOF, special, once in a decade players, in Reed & Polamalu? Are you sniffing glue again? I like Star Lotulelei, but unless they get rid of Reid & Rosebuds, I doubt we draft a NT type DT. This team needs an entire shift in team philosophy, & start drafting/ signing some monsters on DF & the O-line. I’m sick & tired of smurfs, high motors, fast balls & players playing in positions they have never played.

  87. There are no Cover CB’s worthy of a Top 5 pick in my opinion
    There’s a kid from Alabama whose name escapes me right now but he’s like an
    8th-12th pick. This is not a Deep DrFt at all for CB’s
    The Strength is DT,LB, OL Nbd Safety which is what the Eagles need
    And should draft for the biggest, strongest players at Each of these Posistion
    Then go out and get a Safety, Big WR and OT in free agency
    I think JPegers will be back and able to have 2-3 more Seasons and while he may not be as dominating as before, he would still be the best OL on the Team at a critical position which is LT
    JH continues to show his lack of knowledge about Football

  88. we will not go CB that early anyway. depending on the coach i think we will go LB– whoever they get i hope its not a reach! i hope its not an undersized HIGH MOTOR guy!
    btw i read some of babins comments to the jax media…. bragging that he was HIGH MOTOR! gag!

  89. @haveacigar, I’m glad they are happy with him, because the eagles should have no interest in him, if he were any good the eagles would be 2-9

    • i believe they are 9-2 and i’m pretty sure that he has SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT! not all but he is the QB– 9-2 ain’t awful– if you want to say he’s a game manager or over rated thats ok…9-2 is in fact 9-2– i will take him

  90. There’s all this new lingo out there, “franchise quarterback”, “game manager”, back in the day you were the quarterback, not “elite”, just quarterback, and you were judged not by the highlight reel, quarterback rating, which also didn’t exist, but whether you won, capable of winning the big game especially the late drive when the game is on the line, that’s how I judge the quarterback, who has “it” like montanana, Brady, Eli manning, not Peyton, not mcnabb, never, Vick maybe but to deficient in other areas, we know who they are, were, Kenny the snake stabler, these younger guys posting here would say they can’t play because they don’t woo them with there fantasy stats, but to your point haveacigar flacco does not have it

  91. Who here remembers sonny Jurgensen or billy Kilmer, roman Gabriel, these guys on gcobb if they saw film of them would say they are “busts”

  92. you say flacco is a bust he’s a winner and former blue hen– he has IT

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