Reid And Mornhinweg Finally Put Together A Good Game Plan
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, News, Quarterbacks Monday, December 3rd, 2012
I loved the game plan the Birds put together for Nick Foles and the Eagles offense. This used to be a strength of the Andy Reid and his staff, but it hasn’t been nearly as much this year. It seems that they stressed the passing game this year despite factors which made the running seem to make much more sense.
Reid and Marty Mornhinweg did a great job of tailoring the game plan to their talent, which should be the first rule of putting together a game plan. Initially, they got Bryce Brown going, then they let Foles start going deeper down the field. He throws the slant route very accurately, they give him the chance to throw it.
Reid and Mornhinweg let him get the football out of his hands and complement the running game. He threw some screens to slow down the pass rush. They got Brent Celek involved, so that Foles would be able to get rid of the ball sooner than waiting for the wide receivers to get open. It’s a shame they didn’t do this earlier in the year.
There were times earlier in the season when Michael Vick was struggling, the pass rush was pounding him and they could have taken the heat off of him by letting the passing game be the complement to the running game rather than vice versa.
The same is true during Donovan McNabb’s time here. For some reason Reid and Mornhinweg refuse to take the pressure of their number one quarterback if he’s getting his brains beat in, by running the football and keeping the pass rush at bay. This is a stubborness which hurt Reid and his staff.
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Right in South Philly is the best place ts but I think that ship may be sailing. The Vikings wouldn’t be a bad landing spot though.
1 – RGIII is the exception, not the rule. There is often the odd exception.
2 – I am very worried about what Shanahan is doing to RGIII. This college read option – triple option is going to get the kid killed….not to mention derail his long term development.
This gimmick is going to fade when film study catches up…pure speed only works for a while….everyone is fast…….He was hammered 4 or 5x last night and already has had one concussion in the NFL….bad omens…..I read he weighs 215 lbs, but I don’t believe that for a second. Mike Shanahan is sacrificing long term development for instant success. Bad move.
BTW – its still funny how some of you, despite mountains of evidence, actually believe that a team adding the former superstar moves that team closer to a playoff appearance.
Who said that? Who said playoffs?
Worried? How worried are you? I think its crazy that u are more worried about the health of the skins qb than u were wheb our starter was getting killed by the playcalling and line.
Just like Vick is listed at 6-1 205lbs..
Vick is about 5-11 & 1/2 and 195lbs at best
What evidence Vinnie, that he can’t will a team with a pop warner defense and a pop warner o- line to the playoffs? Name me one QB in the entire NFL that would have won this year down in South Philly
Rodney Peete
Brad Goebel
So what your saying Vinnie is you would take Foles over RGIII? Say it. Say it.
He will say no….. but rg3 is being used wrong…lol. heres a really good q for stat girl…. what % of rg3 drop backs end in passes.
Fuck, you guys still have these definite reading comp difficulties.
All I said is that what Shanahan is doing with RGIII is selfish and will hurt RGIII’s development moving forward. ANd will probably get him killed in the process.
I think that’s a shame because he’s an unfinished prospect with what looks like huge potential. I could have cared less about the VIcksperiment because anyone who knows anything about the game knew that it was going to end in disaster and the quicker it was going to end the better for the Eagles moving forward.
I would not take Foles over RGIII. But I would take Luck over RGIII.
As for your stupid question Biglion….well…seeing that the Oline is suddenly making pretty drastic improvements, and the team is scoring more points, and a guy in his 4th star is putting up better numbers than your hero….well….I figure we would have won a lot more games with Roethless, Brady, Manning 1, Rodgers, probably Eli, Dalton, Luck, RGIII, Ryan, probably Stafford, Schaub,……..
Vinnie, they still lost talking about reading comp I listed a bunch of factors, everyone of these guys would have a losing record they way this team is performing 33 points Sunday night wasn’t enough. It’s a team game sir that was my point.Maybe your answer was stupid not my question.
LMAO!!!
Vinnie you like to cherry pick you don’t you? The line looked OKAY for ONE game. ONE. Why – well Reid and crew all of a sudden decided to commit to the run. They decided throwing bombs down the field was a bad idea. Oh…and hey 7 step drops anyone? But no – it’s Foles who’s making the line look good. The same guy who looked so shitty behind the line his first 2 and 3/4 starts. Okay.
How many touchdowns did Foles throw? How many did Brown score? Oh. okay. But Foles is lighting it up.
I didn;t say he was lighting it up. I said he’s putting up better numbers (in almose every category) over the former superstar.
That being said, it wasn’t a high hurdle to surpass.
BTW RGIII is at 71% of his dropbacks result in throws….20% below league average.
But seeing he’s not runing an NFL offense, the number is obviously lower than it culd be…….I do nt know how many are dsigned runs….way too many for my taste though…..this is precisely what I’m talking aoubt….Shananan has abadoned deveoping RIII this year for the lure of instant success….choosing short term over long term. Its a mistake.
It will hinder RGIIIs development and it expose him to muliple unnecessry hits on running plays that ould be beter seved y a disposable RB, instead of an indispenible QB.
RBs like Alfred Morris area dime a dozen….QBs like Griffin come around once a decade. Shannah is being an idiot having him run play after play.
BTW – what sShannahan isoing…having RGII run and get hit…on purpose….is very different than what you guysthink Reid was doing with Vick. Reid was asking Vick to do what about 3/4 of NFL coaches now do…pass 65% of the time. Vick could not handle it because he sucks.
7 sep drops…all bombs….the plays changed!!!!!
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Such garbage.
Have any of you actually ever seen a playbook? YOu make it sound that when vick was in it was “all go!” all the time. That Vick had a 1 page book with 4 straight lines heading up the page.
Such garbage. The fack that Foles now takes what is given, hits Celek 7x doesn’t mean he wasn’t there for Vick too you twits.
Every single play has a route tree. Short, medium, deep levels. WRs , TEs and RBs attacking all of them….
How many weeks in a row did i SCREAM for anything to the flats? How many weeks did i call for draw plays? Are u kidding me? Go ahead…. say it…. play calls where the same. And dont give me this crap about not hating vick… it is what it is.
Vinnie… your bias is crazy. I dont even like the guy yet ive spend months defending him because you hate him so much.
I agree Stevo I find myself arguing with these guys just because of the blind hate they have for that man.
Vinnie I actually agree with you on RGIII, that offense will not make him a better QB in the long run but I understand why Shanahan is using him this way. On Vick, Foles or whoever if this o-line cannot allow 5 to 7 step drops then in the long run they won’t be successful. Foles played a terrific game with a healthy dose of Bryce Brown. The Cowboys were getting gashed run after run so they couldn’t tee off with the pass rush. Any good QB wiuld have thrived Sunday night.
What is with your hatred for Vick? You call us Vick backers and pit Vick vs Foles or any QB for that matter. I want the Eagles to win and I don’t care which QB they use. I don’t think Foles is the answer in the long run but if he is and the team wins I’m happy as hell.
I do not hate Vick.
I hate that Vick was on the Eagles as a starter because I knew how it was going to end.
They were never ever going to win with Vick. No team can win with a unintelligent QB who enjoys giving the ball to the other team. (Neither will any team that he goes to if they make the same mistake of making him the starter.)
3 wasted years.
I hate that. and am happy as a pig in shit that he’ll be rotting on the Raiders next year, and I’d like to thank the Cowboys for expediting the process.
As for the newfound comittment to the run…..what about the possibility that the Eagles Brass now feel they have a more effective runner than they did before…blasphemous I know….but Lesean was near the league RB leaders for runs for loss or no gain the last 2 yeas I believe……just stirring the pot…..
I would love to see that stat you love… the 90% stat for drop backs…. what does that look like for steve young? Rg3? Elway?
Different styles Vinnie, if Bryce Brown learns how to hold onto the football I could actually see him being the feature back with Lesean complementing him but the money wouldn’t work Lesean makes feature back money. Also Brown needs to stop trying to bounce everything outside.
“I hate that. and am happy as a pig in shit that he’ll be rotting on the Raiders next year, and I’d like to thank the Cowboys for expediting the process.”
Thought you said no one would pick him up. And anyway if the Raiders hold true to form he will get paid exceedingly well to rot on the Raiders.
But you further prove your hate for the guy. Even Stevo who doesn’t like the guy can have a discussion about what’s a good fit for the guy (I say Jets or Vikings) without gleefully rooting for his misery.
I was rooting for more Raiders misery…….because its just plain funny at this point.
Thought you said no one would pick him up.
The raiders are no one.
Sources state that Vick will traded to to the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL for
Safety Jarrett and DL Ricky Sapp
Argos don’t need a QB. Just won the Grey Cup with Ricky Ray at the helm
I guarantee you that Vick will flame out next year on some NFL deam and then will join the expansion Ottawa ______________ the following year, just to spite me.
Ricky Sapp must be a hellava player to be able to play with the Argos and the Jets at the same time. Vinnie, Vick will never step one foot in Canada whether he flames out in the NFL or not. Wait I shouldn’t say that he may wind up in Buffalo.
I know what you’re looking for Stevo…proof that a “running” QB can win the SB. They can’t.
Remember that today, the NFL average is the QB getting the ball off 90
% of called dropbacks. I have no idea what the % was 20 years ago, but I would suggest the average was lower due to the fact that DBs could murder the Wrs, and DLs could also take more liberties. Every other passing stat has increased over the past 20 years, so I suspect that one has to….but that’s just an assumption
Anyway….to answer the question…..
Aleady said RGIII was at 70%, but he runs a college option offense. Designed running plays are different than scrambles because the entire offense knows they’re going to occur and have assigned responsibilities.
As for the other two…they both demolish Vick on the stat.
Young was at 79% for his career….(HA! – that’s close to Vick you see a QB can win if……) Nope…..
During his 5 year run (1992-1996) with SF that number increased to 84%.
During his SB winning year he was even higher at 86%.
To win the SB a QB must pass the ball, not run the ball. I would suggest to you that he was probably at league average at 86% that year.
Elway’s career average waws higher than Young. He threw the ball on 85% of his dropbacks.
But again, for his SB years, he did even better, at 86 and 87% respectively.
I would hazard a guess he was at or above league average.
To win the SB a quarterback must pass the ball, not run it.
Football is about consistency. The entire offense benefits when they know what the QB is going to actually do as much as possible.
No one has ever won with Vick’s pretty pathetic 75% career average. 20% below league average….I understand that this is always everyone else’s fault, never his of course….but its still pathetic nonetheless.
@Vinnieoursister – you should be slapped and then back handed for the ish that you’ve been talking on this thread…Wishing another man misfortune? really? karma is a mtf!
“No one has ever won with Vick’s pretty pathetic 75% career average”
Your stats are again, flawed.
Vick being the type of QB he was/is, was especially… In ATL a team in rebuild mode, built the team on what Vick could do then! Playbook full of designed runs/options. If you believe that Vick is the same type of QB, looking to run first, pass second, then you don’t watch the games…
But your stats are extremely flawed based on the following point. Vick’s ability to pick up a first down with his feet instead of taking a sack/throwing the ball out of bounds…You are not counting the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down conversions he’s picked up with his feet or the 20, 30, 40 even 50+ yard runs ….He has rushed for more yards than any QB in history, your stat does not include that, nor does it include the critical situations when those runs took place…all were not designed runs Vinnie…he’s broke teams back, escaping the rush and running instead of throwing…
But you also fail to recognize the fact that there are fewer running QB’s than your typical QB. The type QB you believe can only win the SB..So again any stat that you have based on running QB’s comparisons to the typical QB would be flawed as well. Some stats are what they are and are true, but some stats simple just don’t tell the whole story….
unreal…. why do you insist on trying to settle differences with violence. that is not how men who KEEP IT REAL solve differences!
yea and wishing negativity on another man is acceptable? Mind your business!
‘slapped and back handed’ and in early posts you were fixated (sorry another big word) on your ‘balls in peoples face’ etc-
violence is not the proper way to solve things in a civilized society.
what did you just get to the letter “F” in Websters? Some folk deserve to be slapped and the way Vinnie and you run your mouths you both should be. As far as the “balls” talk, never stated anything about “mine” why is your mind on my balls? clown!
you sure did
“all were not designed runs Vinnie…”
exactly my point. Vick scrambling around…no consistency.
You are the guys who are always arguing about “team game!”. How can the offense function as a team when the QB is making shit up 25% of the time??
as for the war between vv and the vick people, let me say it is ridiculous. the bias on both sides makes it laughable and you aren’t going to change the other guy. one side is trying to prove the obvious that vick is a marginal at best qb and spending an inordinate amount of time trying to prove it. and the other side is spending an inordinate amount of time trying to disprove it.
spend some time with a bottle of red and a hot chick…. takes your mind off of this stuff for awhile.
@havenobrain – you’re are on the same team as our sister Vinnie….take some of your own advice…pretty sure you won’t be able to get “hot chick” but get that bottle of red, watch a nice adult flick and choke your chicken!
a sophisticated argument from someone who advocates (sorry for the big word) keeping it real. you are a classless aau coach- trash! utter trash!
and your opinion of me? means what? nada damn thing…shut your dumb ass up! you are a fake…on the same side as Vinnie, then having the nerve to act like you don’t share the same opinions…
i share many of his opinions yes but not all. I just know better than try to convert a bunch of ignorant violent a$$holes. conversely for the violent a.holes to try to convert an opinionated, maybe racist a..hole is just as crazy.
you dumb ass, no one is trying to convert anyone, its an argument based on his dumb ass stat, its that simple…he wan’ts folks to believe the shit he is talking, and I’m giving the other side of the coin, so some aren’t misguided…like yourself! racist? you implying I’m racist? because I dont agree with you? because I don’t like your punk ass?
no your the violent a.hole he is possibley the racist one!
hey as far as sometimes people need to be slapped. is that how you teach (great term) the children you influence on the courts? nice!
Sis – Vick takes off because of protection break down…Vick is not a run first QB any longer, he’s stayed in the pocket and has taken vicious hits behind this O Line, again you don’t make sense! …The O Line either knows he’s making a pass or running, two things (instead of looking to take a sack or throw the ball out of bounds)…so you’re saying its too difficult for the O Line to understand that, what is the O Line worries about when he takes off up the field? …your stat is ass and you are reaching!
“But you also fail to recognize the fact that there are fewer running QB’s than your typical QB.”
But not in the CFL…where the wider and longer field are beneficial to the trunning QB?
Who do you think won the GC this year? The pocket QB Ray or the running QB Burris?
Or last year Pocket Lulay or running Pierce?
Or the 2 years before with 40+ yr old statue Calvillo…
Even in a league that give every benefit to running QBs, they can’t win when the games amp up….
Com-on buddy….I remember being in the parking lot before the 4th NCF champ game and everyone depressed/down because it was try #4 and we were 0-3 at that point…but I wasn’t depressed….and not nervous. We were playing Vick. SO obvious how that game was going to end.
BTW – who did the eagles lose to in all those playoff years? Statue warner, statue Johnson, statue Delhomme, Statue Brady, statue Warner again.
The only game we won? Against running Vick. Running QBs are easier to defend in the playoffs when everyone is jacked. Everything is faster. And everyone is faster.
You know what’s faster than legs?
Brains.
Again, this is just another pointless comment supported by utter gibberish…see my response above again for response…
CFL? are you kidding me? CFL?
Pro football is pro football. Up untill the 1960s Canadian teams would regularily trounce US teams in exhibition games. Current talent differential is not as great as you would be led to believe. Cfl has produced great NFLers from Moon, to Flutie, to Garcia, to Wake.
One constant? Running QBs fail in both leagues.
i’m with the other guys. you are an idiot!
joe theisman had more rushing attempts at ND than vick did at VT. i’m not going to go into the dropbacks etc. i’m not a vick guy either i think he is terrible but you are going above and beyond. to say that the qb position never evolves and that it takes this or that because history says this is ridiculous.
people said it about steve young, people say it about newton, rg3 etc– there is more than one way to skin a cat. but my hope is we have found a traditional guy in foles– THE JURY IS STILL OUT– and i’ve said before i’ll take him IF he is flacco
Theisman…you mean the guy who, after ND, went to the CFL to learn how to play QB, then returned tot he NFL and won a SB? That guy?
he still had a lot of rushes- you are taking it too far. he had a lot of rushes in hte nfl.
LOL.. Funny thing about that game..
Mcnabb ran more times than Vick
Realtalk.
You keep calling me sister and saying you want to slap me around.
To each his own I guess.
But I feel pretty sorry for whatever dress wearing dude you’re dating.
Vinnie – you still talking to strange men from Cleveland on the telephone? lets not forget this is where the “sis” began…you should of never let me know your secret..
Also I said you should be slapped and backhanded…never said I was going to do it…again, you and your butt buddy HaveNoBrain lack comprehension skills
Again your stat is ass…don’t get mad or try to change the subject…you have your butt buddy HaveNoBrain to do that! But he’s not doing a very good job of being a distraction!
so much anger. sure hope those needy kids aren’t learning any of this from you.
HaveNoBrain – I’ve seen you on this site, cursing, talking stupid ish left and right…should I hold you to a standard as well considering, you also have stated you worked with inner city youth for over 30 years? What I do or say here has no impact on the kids I work with. So lay off bringing my “kids” up in conversation!
i don’t curse much and vever advocate violence. i just keep it real.
and you have brought your kids up or i wouldn’t know about them!
hahaha you keep it real? nah son, you are one of the most fraudulent cats on this site…I don’t have to say I keep it real…I let my talk do that for me…thats the difference between me and you…what you say, isn’t realtalk! its backwards talks, double talking yada yada yada…Everything I said on this site today, is real talk!
so the slapping and back handing was REAL– ok enough said. i still say you are drawin’
Now now Realtalk,
Stevo asked me a question about Young and Elway. I answered it….
….and then you went on a rage filled rant during which all your violent, cross dressing fantasies come to the fore…..
But don’t worry, your secret is safe with us.
I understand Vinnie, I proved how dumb your stat was and now you’re staggering…you’ve been KO’d just relax, live to fight another round!
I”ve been in the ring quite a few times, and have had my bell rung a few times, though always byu better men than you.
You”re constant repetition of how my poiunt has no merit only makes it so in your deluded mind. 25% of the time the team lines up, they have no idea what is going to happen. They don’t know if he will follow assigned blocking schemes, they don’t know if they should run their routes, they don’t know if he is going to drop to the proper release point. One out of every 4 plays they’re wondering what is going to happen and where Vick will be.
recipe for inconsistent, ineffective football….exactly what the Eagles’ offense has been the past 3 years.
Now go back to slapping sisters around, its obviously what you do best.
OK sis…do you actually understand what you type? can’t follow assigned blocking schemes when the protections fails sis…so now your saying that 7 doesn’t follow the playbook? he drops 3-7 steps whenever he feels like it?
you don’t know anything about football! you sounds ridiculous! protections breaks down, QB either gets sacked, throws the ball out of bounds, or runs…Those are the options…don’t think there are any others…
No, you’re the one who doesn’t understand. The QB must know that the protection will break down before the snap opf the bal, not rely on his skills after the protection breaks down. It is only the QBs who develop the ability to recognize w3hat is going to happen before the play that are successful in the NFL.
Foles is already doing a better job of this than the former superstar.
And yes, I am saying he doesn’t follow the book…and one of the complaints of his coaches is his dropbacks are wildy inconsistent.
How is he doing a better job of this? Because he gets rid of the ball? Because he is winning the games? Because he didnt throw a pick this week?
Listen, he did a good job this past week…. no pics… but dont get it twisted….. he’s not ready to lead anyone anywhere yet. It was a simple.. easy plan… using the running game to keep teams honest. Curl routes, throws to the flats…. nothing deep down field outside of 1 or 2 times. You yourself said this wont win in the NFL. Now….he’s running the show… calling these plays? You flip flop more than Jon Kerry.
one the complaints of his coaches is his dropbacks?
When was this stated? when did they ever say he was inconsistent in regards to drop backs..again making shit up.
also what does the QB do when the protection breaks down…how will you know the protection will break down..QBs are supposed to have faith in the protection not breaking down, but be able to adjust in situations it does. you sound ridiculous!
what happens when the protection breaks down for most QB’s? they throw the ball out of bounds, take a sack, possibly make a play to a receiver (of course the WR has to be open or doing their job as well) So your saying the ability Vick has to break a 30+ yard run when protection breaks down is a bad thing? again you show how ignorantly selective you are
No other factors involved in those games just the QB right? Vinnie come on man
@realtalk, they will never get it too focused on the negative.
Hey Guys, I thought I was the only “Fraud” on this Site..
Andy Reid is sabotaging the eagles. Foles starting cut Babin Fired Castillo Fired Washburn.. He going to coach Dallas net year and he already knows it.
Coach AR is simply following his Superiors Orders at this point
“Senior Advisor” Tom Donahoe is calling the Shots and advising OWner Jeff Lurie/Roseman on what to instruct Coach AR on who to play,fire,change as
Donahoe will be named teh VP of Football Operations once AR is officially
Terminated on Monday 12/31/2012 (after their final Season game)
for playing the Good Soldier, Coach Andy Receives his complete 2013 Compensation Package which is worth Approx $7 Million..
Would you mind following orders for 6 Weeks to receive $7 Million and go out the right way..
Bench old, unproductive QB – sabotaging
Cut old underperforming malcontent DE – sabotaging
Fire ancient, unproductive malcontent DL coach – sabotaging
IRing underperforming, non-TD scoring, malcontent WR who quit on team last year and had 2 catches in previous 2 games, – sabotaging
And on top of all that sabotaging…..in the final 6 meaningless games….
Playing young QB to determine if good moving forward – sabotaging
Showcasing new rookie runner – sabotaging
Playing young DEs like Graham, Hunt, Curry to see what they have – sabotaging
Focusing on young Wrs like Cooper and Johnson (McNutt soon) to see if they part of team moving forward – sabotaging
I really see where you’re going with this.
Too bad Reid didn’t “sabotage” the team 2 years alo.
You guys are nutz…. Andy is doing the right thing. He is leading this team AS IN IF he would be here next year. This is the right thing to do. I dont like the coach but as a person… he is spot on.
Should of benched McCoy because apparently he sucks to. Amazing how Bryce Brown is ripping it up. would definelty have to ask Shady if he felt removing Bell and Watkins and bringing in Scott and Renolds developing has had anything to do with Browns production. hmmmmm. Cant have it both ways. If it was Vicks fault he couldnt perform behind that oline than its McCoys fault he couldnt run for shit. He should be released. I dont want to hear nothing about no blocking for him.
Um…Reid is doing what’s best for the team. They were out of playoff contention and it isn’t likely Vick would be back. No need to start him. Same with Washburn and Babin firings – good decisions based on the current landscape.
This right here:
“Should of benched McCoy because apparently he sucks to. Amazing how Bryce Brown is ripping it up. would definelty have to ask Shady if he felt removing Bell and Watkins and bringing in Scott and Renolds developing has had anything to do with Browns production. hmmmmm. Cant have it both ways. If it was Vicks fault he couldnt perform behind that oline than its McCoys fault he couldnt run for shit. He should be released. I dont want to hear nothing about no blocking for him.”
Says it all. That’s how you can tell real Eagles fans from Vick haters. You can’t have it both ways. This configuration of the line is MUCH better. Scott is probably the best lineman we have right now. Mathis is back to playing where he is most comfortable. Overall they are decent and Foles and brown are the beneficiaries of this much improved line.
Scott has solidifed the RG spot and has helped with Center Rynolds improvement having both Veterans Mathis & Scott beside him
Dennis Kelly is playing his Natural Position which he played in COllege which is RT.. He is not athletic enough to the play the Left Side and is a fish out of water playing the Guard Spot..
If RB Brown doesn’t improve his ball security, he will not see the field much regardless of who the Coach is ..Right now he will continue to play since McCoy is out. Maybe Next Season, they can rotate them complete series
HAve McCoy play 2 Series then put in Brown for a complete Series
Shuttling RB’s every 3rd play usually doesn’t work were a RB and his OL need to get into a rhthym, to get into the flow of a game..