Eagles Will Win At Least One, Maybe Two Of The Last Four
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, General News, News Thursday, December 6th, 2012
I think the Eagles might win a game or two down the stretch. I saw something last week which resembled a football team and all the Birds need is for the secondary to show up and they really have a good shot to win one or two of the last four games. The key to me is their ability to score.
Bryce Brown, Nick Foles and the offensive line played well enough to give them a chance to win against the Cowboys, but the pathetic play of the secondary cost them the game. If Brown can stop fumbling, and he and Foles can keep moving the ball while the offensive line continues to play well, they’re going to score some points.
Putting points on the board will give them a good chance because one, two or three of these upcoming teams are going to take them for granted. This will allow the Eagles to screw up the high draft pick.
I also think one of the keys to the Eagles improvement offensively is the play calling. Finally, Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg have accepted the fact that they don’t have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady playing the quarterback position, so they need to take some of the weight off of the quarterback by running the football.
I hope you noticed that Michael Vick wasn’t hit very hard when he sustained his concussion. The last shots he took weren’t major hits but he had been pummeled so long that the building up of all the hits finally took him over the hill. I think he’s been slow coming back because he sustained as many serious hits as any quarterback in the history of the game in one season.
You can definitely criticize Vick for the way he played this year, but you can’t criticize him for his toughness. He’s definitely one of the toughest to ever play the position. Still, you know he’s not going to be back next year.
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Ah songs, the reverend songs, I always read your posts because you always have something interesting, unusual to say, and you are an intelligent man, I understand the point you are attempting to make, but it’s just not accurate my friend, walk in the shoes of the fans you criticize , do you think for a moment that the fans you criticize would be unhappy if Vick or mcnabb lived up to the hype, Philly fans are color blind you and others make it about color, the real philly fan does not, and I have heard from many of blacks who do not like Vick as a quarterback, nor did they like mcnabb, peace brother and merry Christmas to you and your family
I was born in northbphi
Jake I really hate to call people out of there names but you are a complete and total stooge. Especially if you think all Philly fans are colorblind.
Biglion i really hate to call you names but you have some really horrible interpretation skills. Jake obviously was not talking about ALL Philly fans…he even said the real philly fans could care less…basically they just want to win..and if you dont think thats a fact you probably don’t even live here.
And wake the fuck up, every team in every city has some racist violent you name it fans in the bunch. Its called Sports.
Pheags, please interpret what I wrote I didn’t say all Philly fans and I grew up a minority playing sports in Frankford and heard some of the most vile things that could be yelled at kids so please if you never had to deal with it. Stop talking.
Actually, you clearly did. “Especially if you think all Philly fans are colorblind”…You literally wrote the word “all” in your statement…and again he wasn’t referring to all Philly fans above like you interpreted he was. Sorry man have to call out stupidity when I see it.
Sorry but you can play word games all you want, facts are not all Eagle fans are colorblind that better and again if you don’t know don’t talk about it. Until you have had to deal with it.
Lion not sure where you are going… Support for or against a player based on color is ignorant. Yes there are racist fans AGAINST him. There are racist excuse makers FOR him. Judge him for what he is/was a spectacular qb who never really got it done. He is in pretty good company
You guys see everything as black vs white – that’s BS. I would take RG-III over any QB in the league right now. I think most people in this town would. People don’t like Vick because the Eagles are 18-15 with him as the starter. I would want him gone if he was a lily white Irish catholic. Maybe Vinny is a dog lover…
Jake, look up the word “conjecture” which embodies your last comment.
Read my comment again.
Foles, have thrown the ball right to defenders in the clutch time of the last few games consecutively…..could have easily thrown 3-4 pick 6′s, yet no one here is saying he can’t read defense.
The running game is the reason we’ve been in games with him….the same running game we’ve been begging Andy to employ for years, yet their willing to call runs now to protect Foles.
If the Coaches called the same ratio they’ve called when Vick was in the game, how do you think things would end for Foles?
Answer the question..then come to the realization that because Foles can not beat anyone with his legs, Reid and Marty must call an honest game, when they should be calling the same game regardless of who’s behind center.
Songs your prior post was the best I have ever read on G Cobb, sadly people in denial will either ignore it or act like your crazy. Bravo for telling it like it truly is.
The truth of the matter is that people on here blindly support or disparage Vick based on his color. That’s stupid and equally as wrong either way but it stirs up really ugly emotions on both sides of the argument.
Cigar, address Songs post was he wrong what’s your opinion?
he has some points but Vicks bad play and turnovers put them behind and put them in passing situations. He also had pics dropped, part of game. He had the best back in the game… Could he have checked to run more… I don’t know the answer, I don’t know their audible system.
I don’t think Vick is a great cerebral qb. I think that’s obvious.
I’m not in the vinnie camp. I’m not vehemently against him, I have my issues with his play and sometimes the way he carries himself. But I can say this at any other position than qb he would be my top pick.
Great points Cigar, after all these years nobody built an offense around his skills, the biggest mistake everybody has made was trying to fit him into conventional offensive systems.
Thru UD football I know rich Gannon fairly well. When he was a senior there were a lot of teams interested in his athleticism but they wanted him to play WR or safety. He refused those teams and said I want to play qb. Got drafted in I believe 7th round… Later went to SB and MVP. Point is the qb position isn’t always textbook but rich had something Vick doesn’t… The ability to manage a game
He struggles to consistently make the correct play falling back on his athletic ability too often. But what’s crazy is he does win football games.
Watching manning fall down instead of scramble and get killed… Live to play another down. It is not in Vicks genes. It is the difference in their makeup. Some of it on Vicks part is to be admired. Tough sob but…
Bottom line, when was the last Season the QB Vick played a full season (16 games)… It’s been a while, you can’t Win, make Plags and lead your Team in the Playoffs When your Starter misses 3-4 games every Season. Vick is done (in Philly anyways)
Thank you Paulman…Thats my biggest reason why I want no part of Vick anymore as a starter. Maybe the most injury prone QB in the league right now…and thats just the truth…Quoting Dilfer the best ability is availability. end of story cant win a SB with a guy that gets injured pretty much every year. You just cant and its stupid to invest another season into it.
People act as if Foles begged Reid to play him. We simply saw Foles play as early as he did because our starter is injury prone. The season is lost now which is why you continue to play Foles and the rest of the young players.
Now maybe Foles will be injury prone and end up sucking too but who knows right now. We know what Vick is and all the facts show he is too fragile for an NFL season. Extremely tough dude, but fragile. He is Bob Sanders at the QB position except Sanders was better at his position the few times he could actually stay healthy.
ok..let’s put color to the side for one moment.
Someone here please explain why the running game is the focal point of the offense now that Foles is quarterback.
Can someone answer this question?
We’ve been screaming for Andy to run the ball since Duce left.
Because AR & MM misjudge Vick’s ability as an NFl Pocket QB
They know Foles or even Kolb wasn’t ready for their heavy Pass-Happy game plans, but they erred thinking that Vick could handle what McNabb could do..
Which was throw 65% of the time, make some big plays, by using their athleticism to extend plays that Foles,Kolb, Aj Feely, Kafka were my able to do
The big difference here is that McNabb knew how to protect the Ball and himself for the most part where Vick has not been able to protect the ball or himself and that in. Nutshell is where the Eagles Offense has been and is today with Foles at command
Ill do one even better… mcnabb was slamed for not taking chances enough… not trusting his wr’s… not running when he could have. Vick gets ammed for running too much… taking bad risks. Funny right?
Songs is dead on…. foles…. who im rooting for… has not been asked to do what these guys were asked to do.
and why would he? He’s played 4 games.
each passing day you flip and make my points for me.
this is what i’ve been trying to tell you- you want to compare the 2 when they are not asked to do the same things at all.
Coach Ar & MM gave the keys to Eagles Offense to Vick back in 2010 and Vick has a losing Record in his last 25 Starts (10-15)
Vick is among the Leauge Turnovers since 2011, so when do you say enough is enough with him at the Wheel
Vick has no excuses, he simply did not get the Job anywhere near
Accomplished in my book. 2 missed Playoffs Seasobs in a row
If i remember right… the greenbay playoff game…the pack running it down our throat… we couldnt stop them…. also…. last play was a deep pass to cooper… he never made the play. People said.. “hes a rook.. what do u expect?”.
and the fact that Desean, Maclin and Mccoy were wide open on the right side of the field, but Vick was locked in before he even began walkin up under centre.
And the ball was severely under thrown!
Explain Eli and why he wins, he leads the world in turnovers the last 4 years but has won 2 super bowls explanation please?
Because in those 2 years he dropped his INT % about 2 % and he was in the 2% range both those years…..
So it doesn’t have anything to do with the overall team, just Eli playing better? Because according to stats something your familiar with Eli is a turnover machine.
Last 4 games 155 called passes 90 called runs…. 64% pass 37% run
First 8 games 386 called passes 180 called runs….68%pass 32%run
People that attack vick dont football. Theyre pretenders.. Take away the first game and vick has 9 touchdowns and 5 picks. If the eagles were going to properly build a team around Vick they should have gotten him big recievers like Brees has: 6’7 6’4 6’2. steve young: 6’2 6’2 6’3 6’4 You cant have short receivers and a short quarterback.
Conversely, tall quarterbacks do better with shorter receivers. Its a team that Andy Reid can not build properly. Thats why I would like for foles to succeed because of his height and our small receivers.
Take away the first game and what was his record?
This is what we know right now……
Foles have not won an NFL game since replacing Vick.
“I also think one of the keys to the Eagles improvement offensively is the play calling. Finally, Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg have accepted the fact that they don’t have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady playing the quarterback position, so they need to take some of the weight off of the quarterback by running the football.”…..Gcobb
It should not have mattered who we had at QB. Andy should have been running the football as just good play calling. We are now seeing what many fans and Ron Jaws has been saying for years…You have to have balance.
One Dimentional does not win championships. I knew Andy was never going to win with the BYU offense. The Don Coreyell, Marv Levy play calling will only get you so far. In the end you have to be able to protect a lead and wear a team down. You can’t do that with his sissy offense and undersized defense.
I disliked Andy Reid because he wasted our time and made us the laughing stock of the NFL. The Juan move, was the apex of stupidity.
Andy is no longer calling the shots. Jeffery Loser is the one cleaning house.
He is preparing this team for the new coach. For the next era. In the end. Andy will help us win a Superbowl. Jeffery Loser will have plenty of experience of what not to allow, with the next coach. When you are at the bottom the only place to go is up.
No more trading out of the first round. And those sissy receivers. It’s sickening to watch Maclin looking for a place to fall on every catch. Forget yac Yards after catch with that guy. Maybe Celek can give that guy some lessons on lifting weights and growing a pair. And those corners.
Roseman you picked Coleman from the big ten. Go to the SEC and get a CB who will hit somebody. Notre Dame and Alabama will showcase some football players, not dancers with helmets on.
Andy let McNabb and Vick take a beating. They never stood a chance, because the defense knew in advance what the play was going to be. They pinned their ears back and went after the QB. He adjusted the play calling for Garcia as well as Foles. Baby arm was so scared after taking over, Andy did’nt give a crap what play was called. He wanted him out of town. I think the arm strength of Vick and McNabb had something to do with the play calling. Both throw a nice deep ball. McNabb played on a broken leg. He and Vick are tough.
I really miss Navy and Schiller. Are they still alive? Are they O.K? Have the philadelphia police checked the Schkyll river for bodies? Or is Schiller really Pat? You know. The Eagle fan committed to the mental hospital in “silver lining Playbook?”
What a merry Christmas. Andy Reid leaving. For good. And even a rumor of him going to the Cowboys. I hate the cowboys now. With Andy Reid, as head coach of the Cowboys that game would surpass all events in life. The joy of watch him run that organization into the ground would be to good to be true. To have his predictable play calling on the other sideline.
I’m getting goose bumps just thinking about it. I can’t wait for the press conference of Jeffery Loser saying how much the Eagles appreciate the service of Andy Reid….blah blah blah. YOUR FIRED!!!!!
And in the words of Cee Lo Green…#$% you. Get out.
Last 4 games 155 called passes 90 called runs…. 64% pass 37% run
First 8 games 386 called passes 180 called runs….68%pass 32%run
R.I.P. Navy — song’s superior football knowledge silenced Navy’s keyboard forever
Cee Lo Green! PRICELESS!!!! ROFLMBO!!!!
Navy is doing well fyi, his daughter won a California State Championship
Out in California in Volleyball and he’s been busy Reffing HS Football Playoff games. I chat with him from time to time.
Schiller, I have no idea with him, last he said he was very busy with his job
It would be nice to hear some of thoughts on what’s happened the last 6-8 weeks as we are all disappointed with this Eagles Franchise
Now the debate is how do the Eagles rebuild this Team moving forward
For they need many pieces I believe to get back into Contention with the upper echelon teams, this will be no 1 year quick fix with this club I’m afraid
Schiller is swabbing Joe Banner’s knob in Cleveland
while posting ridiculous positive dribble about the all the Cleveland Browns obvious weaknesses
Post of the month!!!! LOOOOOL!
Who cares?!?
The sad part about this is the fans seen the floor falling out from under us years ago and nothing happened. Now, I’ll make another future prediction.
Roseman will pick up where Andy left off and we’ll become the old Bucs and Bengals…..in a few years you’ll be able to get Seats on the field for 20 bucks and the new PR guy will put green dressed manechin’s in the seats to mask the empty seats…..Lurie have a nervous breakdown and sell the team.
Major problem looming. Was watching DNL and McNabb was on talking about next coach. He said what if next coach comes in and doesnt like half the players Howie picked? What if he doesnt like Foles and likes Vick? What if certain players dont fit his system. So does Howie hire a coach that fits Howies players or does he hire a high powered coach that lets Howie know what will be done? McNabb said he expects a young 37-44 year old assistant thats on board with Howie. One thing is for sure all the fans are saying who will be here next year and who wont McNabb said how can Lurie and Howie possibly know that when the coach hasnt even been picked and he is gonna pick his “own groceries”.. How the hell can Howie and Jeff pick who stays and goes without coaches input?
That will (should anyway) get washed out in the interview process. If, for example, Howie loves Foles (just an example), then one of his questions is going to be something like, “Tell me about Foles strangths and weaknesses? What will you do to ensure Foles continued success as the starter of the Eagles?” Or something like that.
If the potential coach doesn’t like Foles, he’ll say it. “My idea is the Eagles need to use the third pick to select _______________ and groom him. My system calls for……”
So I don’t think its that big an issue……Of course Howie (if he actually gets the decision – perhaps its Donahue) is going to hire a guy who fits his philosophy…..its what every GM does.
If David Shaw is not the next head coach, we’re going to have problems. This guy won with Andrew Luck, won with a redshirt freshman this year and in this day and age still plays smash mouth football. We don’t need some retread or unknown puppet to continue with the destruction that Howie and Andy has started the last two years.
Since you have mentioned him I hav been reading up… I think I’m on board with this
David shaw will be on lurie’s list but it will be tough to pry him from his alma mater, way better choice for this city than chip Kelly
I don’t know, how Chip Kelly’s offense will look in the NFL. I think they need to stay away from him. and your right Jake I think Shaw will be tough to get but he’s coached in Philly before so you at least have to feel him out.
Per my Stanford Sources (Condi Rice ) there is no way Shaw is leaving Stanford
He has a True Freshman (Kevin Hogan) who has started their last 5 Games as a Freshman and who will be great kid to build around and lead this Program to a NCAA Championship over the next 2 Seasons. (Hogan is 6-4 224lbs and if he stays Healthty will be a Top #5 Pick come the 2015 Draft (which the Eagles may have a good shot for him)
I do think he will make an excellent HC in the NFL, but he is staying with the
Stanford Cardinal ffoe the next couple of Season as he has a Team just about full of his own recruits now and wants to see this thru..
My Guess is that Shaw will move across the Bay and take over the Raiders in
2015
Eagles will go an NFL Coordinator Route for then next HC, not the College Ranks, though Pat Fitzgerald and Al Golden could be outside possibilities.
If things continue like this I believe thier definetly no need to draft an olineman in the 1st 4 rounds unless a highly rated player drops. After watching this oline the last few weeks and with Peters, Kelce and Herrimans coming back I am feeling more and more comfortable with what we have. Peters(reportedly is doing very good), Herrimans, Kelce, Scott, Mathis, Kelly, Reynolds and Dunlap(who has done a nice job), with maybe new coaching for Watkins It will be intersting to watch oline the last 4 games. There isnt a high draft pick on our oline right now and they are blowing holes open for Brown. I definetly am taking a impact player on defense in 1st round.
OK then. So the “worst oline in football” is ok now? Well, that’s all good.
@vinnie removing Danny Watkins and Demitrius Bell has done wonders. Reynolds and Kelly who is actually better than Herrimans at OT IMO. Dont believe me would love to hear Shadys take on it.
There will be interviews and the guy that impresses Lurie the most will get the job. Howie won’t be anything more than a guy that tries to sign the players that the coach wants. Don’t be surprised to see Jay Gruden or Mike Zimmer coaching the Eagles.
Vinnie if it was the QBs who control the oline and the running game then GB and Aaron Roger and NO and Drew Brees would have perrenial 2000 yard rushers. So I highly doubt Nick Foles controls the Eagles. lol
I like both Jay Gruden and Mike Zimmer as potential Candidates for a HC spot
ZImmer has had many interviews over the last couple of Seasons
and I am surprised that he has not been hired yet.. He age may now start to become a factor..
I also like 2 from the Packers Organization
Asst HC WInston Moss and QB Coach Tom Clements
3 from the 49ers Staff
DC Vic Fangio, ST/Asst HC Brad Seely and Secondary Coach Ed Donatell
2 from the Falcons Staff
DC Mike Nolan would be an excellent choice as well, everywhere he’s gone, he builds solid Defenses (for the 49ers, Dolphins adn now Falcons)
OC Dirk Koetter is a rising name and a very innovative Offensive Coach who has help make the Falcons a Run-first to a Pass-first based on their weapons that they have (R White, J Jones, Gonzo)
But do remember who is advising Owner Jeff Lurie.. It’s Tom Donahoe who most likely will become the VP of Football Ops once AR is officially Terminated and Donahoe has been around a while and has that tough Western Pa mentalitiy of building and playing that physical style of football that he learned his craft while working for the Steelers
Don’t be surprised to hear a couple of familiar Coaches names who have a strong relationship with Donahoe.. (Dick Lebeau, Dave Wannstadt) but you can’t count out Bill Cowher who DOnahoe lost a power struggle with while at Pitsburgh and Cowher was the reason he left the Steelers so there is no love lost between the both of them..
Should be interesting to watch it unfold
Fraud you mentioned 12 names above so I predict you may be right. So of one of the 12 is named you can’t crow that Fraudman predicted it.
Oh and you’ve probably mentioned more names in other posts. Take a stand man… Make one prediction and stick to it
Here’s my Call in Order HAC
#1) Vic Fangio
#2) Jay Gruden
#3) Mike Nolan
#4) Tom Clements
#5) Juan Castillo
You only get to brag if it’s Fangio
ive been calling for Vic too and i dont want to brag… just want my guy.
I’ll brag about something else then HAC…
Gas Prices remain below $3.50 a Gallon or that
Peace in the MIddle East finally Arrives, or there will be Snow On Christmas
No haveacigar, the fraud got Vic Fangio from me months ago when I posted it on here and now hes owning it like he thought of it like he does with everything.
JH, you did call that one, but don’t you guys get Paul’s sarcasm, digs & ballbreaking by now?!? 90% of the time, he does, what he does, to get a rise out of you marks. I’ve been reading/ posting on this site from it’s inception, & he’s actually one of the most knowledgeable & classy cats on here, but you guys keep up with the childish, classless, name calling. He never calls you names back, or retaliate, does he? So who’s the real man, & not a fraud on here?
Don’t leave out Mike McCoy, the Denver OC. Took two totally different schemes into the playoffs 2 years in a row, Tebow style and Manning style.
FIRE ANDY !
http://youtu.be/8e1xMiLnLdk
The AFC West has been the Weakest Division in Football over the last 2 Years also…Just sayin… But McCoy has done an excellent job and will have many interested Teams wanting to talk to him… McCoy did Coach at Carolina Panthers and reportedly Owner Jerry Richardson is very high on him and will probably bring him on board to work with young QB Cam Newton
Another thing…… The Oldest 1st round draft pick in draft history…the 27 year old Fireman who loved fighting fires and picked up football late in college?
Well he have been replaced by a guy off the street.
a player no team seemed interested in adding to their roster is better than the fireman.
All Andy Reid being smarter than everyone else.
Watkins would not have went in the 1st round if the Eagles didn’t pick him….Why didn’t they address the pathetic safety position or linebacker position instead of this stiff?
Lurie need to fire his ass now!
Watkins would have went in the 1st Round–
He was projected as one of the Top 2-3 OL..
I always thought he should have started out at RT since he played RT & LT at Baylor for 3 Seasons and who passed 40-50 times a game and would have been used to the Pace of teh Eagles Offense..Playing Inside at RG did not benefit him and them with the unorthodox Coaching/ and Blocking Techniques sent him over a the Mudd Falls…
Paulman, If Songs car was on fire I bet he would rather watch it burn down in flames than call Danny Watkins to put it out for him…
Thats been his enemy since day 1 of that draft, but give him credit on this one, he has been right about him so far..
He does suck esp for a 1st round pick and I think its mainly because he doesn’t seem to have passion for the game to get better
You mean he’s not scared or a wuss, just lacks passion. Okay
But our wide receivers are punks and look for a place to lay down.
Dude what in the world are you talking about? I never even brought up Djax/Maclin. However, Are you really going to compare a 6-foot 3 lineman who weighs over 300 pounds to Djax…Im pretty sure our Wrs are more terrified for their well being on the field than Watkins is just on pure physics and the position they play…And I wouldn’t necessarily call Watkins scared… You can call him a lot but i doubt he is a scared wuss…I mean the dude was a firefighter. Do you think Djax or Maclin would ever run into a strangers house if it was on fire?
And again if you didn’t suck so much at interpreting sentences you would see that I think Watkins sucks. He doesn’t have any passion to me. Horrible 1st round pick…you cant draft a guy that high who seems to not give a damn about football. I’ll call him a punk because I think guys like Runyan would play with whatever he is dealing with in his ankle.
Sorry Pheags that wasn’t directed at you, that is some samples of posts that I have read, I totally understand what your saying about Watkins but other folks throw nonsense out there like that. Has nothing to do with interpreting anything but I know you read the same nonsense I do.
The only guy I have called out for playing scared is Nate Allen and even then I hesitate doing that because it takes to get out there and play this game.
Maybe Songs should take Danny Boy to his Doctor’s for some Immunization Shots..
I have sensed that Watkins has almost a “too nice of a fella” attitude and doesn’t have that kick-ass, take no prisoners,play with hair on fire type of mindset that NFL Players need to have and especially along that Line-of scrimmage..
And your drug claim has gone away. Fraud
More like a “Prescription Issue” from what I’ve have heard HAC
And that Mr Watkins is in a very “fraigile” state of mind right now and will not be activated nor play the remainder of the Season as I stated about 2-3 weeks ago.. Eagles will follow all NFL and Federal HIPPA rules governing disclosure
FAVRE had those issues… If it clears up will he end up being a player?
Songs has been right just like vinnie, songs zapped navy from gcobb cyberspace, long live the reverend songs, all hale the reverend songs.
Now songs is not the angry man navy was, and songs believes in redemption, so if navy requests that the reverend allow him back and further shows that he is a changed navy, songs would grant him a second chance, so …
Have some guts navy, ask for forgiveness, show you have changed, songs may allow you back, start now, repeat three times “All Hale The Reeverend Songs”‘ see where that gets you
@cigar that was just a conversation with Pheags nothing more I know plenty of black folks that don’t like Vick and plenty of white folks that like him. It’s a damn shame when you question someone’s dislike for another.
Dude I had a kid play for me hoops and football great kid and once during a hoops game there was water on the floor we were at a rich kid school and the kid got down on the floor with a towell to wipe up the water and the ‘Cameron crazies’ rich white boys started chanting ‘janitor’ and shit like that. I’m not perfect but get pissed at that shit. I aw sembarrassed and apologized to my kid… He laughed and said ‘ f them coach’ scored 22 had 14 boards and was 6for 6 from the line down the stretch. Race in sports is a sensitive issue.
Yes it is and that’s why I get upset at some of the things I read on here. Leave your biases at the door, sadly some people can’t.