Michael Vick Needs To Be Untilized Like Harbaugh Is Using Kaepernick
BREAKING NEWS, Eagles, News, Quarterbacks Wednesday, December 19th, 2012
On Monday, Eagles quarterback Michael Vick spoke for the first time since he suffered a concussion injury in the first Cowboys game. This is also the first time he has spoken since, Andy Reid gave the future and reins of the Eagles offense to rookie quarterback Nick Foles.
There are all types of questions that are circling Vick. How does he feel about being benched for the remainder of the season? How does he feel about the way the Eagles medical staff has cared for him after the concussion? Does he think he will return to the Eagles next season? After taking a tremendous amount of pummeling this season, how much football does he think he has left.
I’ve got to give him credit for attempting to answer all the tough questions, starting with his reaction to being benched for the remainder of the season.
“I’m a competitor and I’ve always felt like and will continue to feel like I’m one of the best and I can play at a high level and I know I can”, the quarterback commented. “Saying that, I feel like I want to be out there, I want to play as a competitor, but it’s just not the ideal situation right now, the way things are. So, I have to accept my role, accept it like a man and continue to find positives out of it.”
He has to know he is finished here in Philadelphia. It’s very obvious now. Vick’s agent should have been on the phone for weeks now. Here’s where a good agent with the right relationships is worth it. You need somebody who knows the lay of the land.
Vick seemed to disagree with the report that he had a problem with the way the Eagles had dealt with his concussion.
“I just rolled with punches”, Vick said. “Whatever the doctor tells me, I go with it. I don’t question that. They’re professionals just like we’re professionals at what we do. I respect their opinions and their judgment and that’s just the way it was. Right now, I’m back. I’m healthy. I feel good, feel confident and [I’m] out there just playing ball, enjoying every day.”
Vick responded to a question about how he feels his being benched will affect his future.
“By not playing, I don’t think it can affect my future”, Vick reasoned. “Like I said, I came back healthy and I’m strong. I’m ready to go. The thing is to just keep improving, keep working, continue to get better as a quarterback and that’s about the only thing I can do. As far as my future here, I don’t know. Elsewhere, I don’t know. I’m just enjoying each and every day right now.”
Lastly he answered a question regarding whether he would accept returning to Philadelphia in a backup role.
“I just feel like I’ve got a lot of football to play”, Vick concluded. “I feel like I’ve got a lot left in my tank. I’m enjoying the game, I feel fresh. I don’t know. I’ll have to talk it over with my agent and just see what happens. As of right now, I’ve got to continue to help this football team win these last two games and the future will take care of itself. Like I said, [I’m] just blessed to still be in the position to play good football and to enjoy the game. Like I said, from where I came from, I would have never thought [this was possible]. It’s a blessing.”
You know Vick had to be seething inside to get this types of questions, but the truth is when you turn the ball over the way he did this year, you have no choice. I think Vick would flourish best by going to San Francisco and backing up Colin Kaepernick. The way they’re using Kaepernick would be the best way to use Vick.
Jim Harbaugh is putting the defense in a bind with the combination of their running game, the strong arm of Kaepernick and the pressure he puts on a defense with his ability to get outside and take a run to the house. Vick could do everything Kaepernick is doing just as well in that offense. Vick needs to be in an offense which has a strong running game and only throws the football 25 to 30 times a game.
You can’t ask Vick to come to the line with three plays and decide which one to run. You can’t put in 150 plays for each game and expect him to run all of them flawlessly. But you can put in 75 to 100 plays with the read option available and give him two targets options on each play, then ask to him to put pressure on a defense with his strong arm and amazing speed.
Nick Foles and Peyton Manning can come to the line with three and four plays in their head, then run the offense from the line of scrimmage. Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg tried to make Vick into somebody he’s not. You can’t try to make him into Manning this late in his career.
This isn’t about Vick’s future, it’s about the fact that you can’t try to make a player into somebody he’s not. We have to look at young quarterback Nick Foles in a sober manner. Does he have what it takes to carry a team to a Super Bowl? Can he put big numbers up on the scoreboard?
Think about the fact that we celebrated two quarterbacks, Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick, who couldn’t get the job done. I could see at training camp last summer that we were headed to trouble. Vick was having mediocre days at training camp and bad preseason outings. Reid wasn’t able to focus because of his son’s death. The Eagles were fortunate to win the four games they’ve won.
Foles has do some major work shortening his delivery and learn how to throw the deep ball for me to take him seriously.
I’m also not sold on bringing Oregon’s Chip Kelly in here. If he comes in, Foles will have to go. I’m also not sure his scheme will work in the NFL without superior talent. Can we count on Howie Roseman to draft quality players?
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Try a 30 MPH Wind and in the Rain may help you understand why Vinnie
but your point is well-taken.. Foles has a NFL arm, what he needs is reps,reps,reps.. He’s only been throwing to Maclin/Avant for a couple of weeks when as a back-up, he was getting limited reps and tossing to Cooper,Mcnutt,Practice Squa dplayers.. It takes both QB/WR many reps to get down their timimg down and especially with deep routes..
Foles does need to improve his step-in and his overall strength to help generate more leverage in his throws which I see no probablem with him being able to achieve.. It just takes some time..
How many reps did Kurt Cousins have? lol
Thanks for changing the subject. Please let’s just Eagles football.
I hope Foles doesnt “end well” this week.. Like Kapernick didnt against Brady and Ne
For the record, I never said Kolb would win a Super Bowl, I only wanted to move on from Mcnabb so I chose the name for shock value…at a time when most wrongly still wanted Mcnabb. Foles has shown he can take a hit. He was sacked 6 times, knocked down probably 10 in the Tampa game and yet still had the nerve to put together two drives at the end of the game. Also in preseason, he was hit illegally and hard by a NE player, and the next play he came back and drilled a 20 yard pass as if nothing happened. He’s starting to trust the pocket more. Largely the Dallas game and Cincy game were lost on turnovers or bad defense…that were almost entirely not his fault.
Not sure who mentioned it above, but this team really does not have an identity any more. There were years when we were known and feared for our defense….other years where you knew that our offense was going to light you up and you were going to have to score alot of points to stay in the game…..now, we are nothing. Nothing for an opposing offense or defense to be concerned about…..other teams sit on their sidelines and laugh at the birds. That hurts to say as a fan of this team for decades and decades.
I want our new head coach to come in here and develop a team that has pride in what they are working towards and will not expect others who are around him with any less pride. I want our team to be feared again. I want other teams to be dreading a trip to Philly. I don’t know who this coach is or if he even exists, but I know that we need for this nightmare of a season to end and start a new chapter in Eagles history.
I’ve stated the Eagles lacked an Identity many times Greenfan (as has others have)
What is desperatley needed is a no-nonsense type of HC and Philosophy that will stress FUndamentals,Hustle and Physical Toughness and play with an urgency on every snap of the game for a full 60 Minutes
A Vic Fangio, Brad Seely, Russ Grimm, hell even Mike SIngletary type who will not tolerate the lack of fundamentals,discipline or focus that the Eagles have had a few years during these last ‘Lazy AR Years”
A complete overhaul to do away with the “small but fast” philosophy that has got to go and has not won the Franchise anything significant in years and so will the players that fit that scheme will have go also
Give me 6-2″+ 220 LBs WR’s who will make the Tough Catches across the middle and in the Red-Zone/End-Zone and enough of these 5-8′ to 6-0′ 180lbs-200lbs WR’s and less that the Eagles have had for years now.
I’d love to have Mike Singletary as HC. That’s where Reid has failed the team. They have no discipline, no accountability, no sense of urgency, and remain unmotivated. Talk about no nonsense. That’s right up Singletary’s alley. That’s what I envision in a Head Coach. Not softness. I’ve NEVER been completely sold on Reid even when the Eagles were winning because many of the wins were tainted in the regard of the Eagles being a slightly stronger team beating up on the league’s weaker teams but seemingly folding when they got to play the big boys like the Pats, Packers,Steelers, or Saints. Now, the big boys are not only the aforementioned but include the Seahawks, Redskins, Colts, Falcons, Texans, etc. Singletary would bring the slobber-knocker toughness back to the Eagles a la Buddy Ryan. But, unfortunately, the Eagles are too stupid to see the need or the value.
“Give me 6-2″+ 220 LBs WR’s who will make the Tough Catches across the middle and in the Red-Zone/End-Zone and enough of these 5-8′ to 6-0′ 180lbs-200lbs WR’s and less that the Eagles have had for years now.”
Absolutely. And that’s another of the (many) issues I have with Reid. His preference for smurfs at those key skill passing positions. Where’s our “Megatron”? Where’s our Gronkowski? Practically every team has a monster that will go up and fight for the ball and drag a defender for five more YACs. I watched Maclin fall down into the fetal position almost as soon as he catches the ball provided he doesn’t “alligator arm” it. Foles doesn’t have the confidence to throw a jump ball to receivers covered one-on-one. Reid has to go. I pray Lurie sees the light. We are not going to live forever and we will NEVER see a Super Bowl as long as Reid is in charge.
As for this ridiculous Mike Vick thread. I’ll put it to rest right now. FOrget their rookie records (Foles is better) Or comparing them to anyone else.
This year. This team. These players. These coaches.
Comp % 59 to 58 – Foles better
TD %3.5 to 2.3 – Vick better
Int % -1.8 to 2.8 Foles better
Sack rate – 6.5% to 8% Foles better
QB rating – 79.2 to 77.7 Vick very marginally better
QBR – 48.15 to 47.49 Foles marginally better
Yrds/game – 240 to 226 Vick slightly better
Team points/game 16.25 under Vick, 19.4 under Foles – Foles better (Did not count Dallas game that they both played)
Team win % – 20% for Foles, 30% for Vick
So….there you go. 5 to 4 for Foles.
The only real advantage for Vick is under td %. Slightly higher (though to be expected for a vet.)
Looking at the ‘negative’ plays…and here Foles has a huge advantage. Lower sack rate and int rats means Birds go backwards less under Foles (Foles also has a lower 3 and out rate)
The Eagles are currently playing the BETTER QUARTERBACK.
I am terribly sorry this makes the Vick fans upset. It must be unsettling seeing that their hero is being beaten by a 3rd round pick raw rookie…and this obviously manifests itself in misguided cries of Racist!
After looking at those numbers, and recognizing Foles is also taller, bigger, younger, and clearly humbler….well…..
Its pretty clear that anyone still screaming that Vick gives the Birds “the only chance” has an agenda.
Oh…and the Eagles “changed the offense” claim is complete BS. The Eagles had 1 game where they ran the ball….otherwise the pass/run ratio is actually slightly higher under Foles.
Now see, this is why the comparison exists, why folks are comparing a vet to a rookie…because you have dumbasses like my Sis, who say statements like Foles is better than Vick now….give me a break…
Vinnie, after the first 4 games of the season, where Vick committed the majority of his turnovers….The Eagles record was 3-1….Now how about telling what Vicks stats were after those 4 games…I guarantee you that they were better than Foles by a pretty large margin…The first 4 games hurts Vick’s stats tremendously…but the 3-1 record…and 3 game winning drives, says something…
Cousins came in for the Redskins last week and didn’t miss a beat and won the game had no reps prior with the first dream team. Wilson for the Seattle Seahawks played with no reps with first team and is the number one quarterback in the NFL ahead of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and he’s a rookie. Kaepernick came in the game had no rest for the first team and hasn’t missed a beat. But Foles the reps reps reps reps you got to be kidding me. You right it’s not about race it is about stupid people who can’t see past race to see deposes not starting quarterback. But just keep dreaming you have been for 40 or more years still no SB !
DIfferent scenario. That team has hope. They’re rolling. Energy. Excitement. (Eagles lost this in the Cleveland game I think)
Compare Cousins to his other game back before the run – Cousins was terrible. Terrible.
I think Cousins have beat Foles out before, Cousins was terrible, he beat the hell out of Foles….but who knows Foles my just get that ring for ya LOL, just don’t hold your breath
So the Birds should have treated Vick the same as a guy that has barely a handful of NFL starts? Wow, people must have some low expectations for Vick skills. Same goes with the people that say he should have had the same game plan with Foles, 3rd round rookie…If Im Vick and hear that Im really embarrassed and insulted.
Read option like Kapernerck? come on man, Vick would be on IR by week 3. Hes fragile and doesn’t have the size to get it done anymore. WHy do people fail to mention that simple fact…Forget whatever stats and skills you want to throw out..the guy can’t stay healthy. IF your not available for 16 games who gives a damn what you can or cannot do. Thats why I don’t want him as the starter here anymore. Plain and simple.
Nope you’re getting confused again, gameplan should have been for either qb to win, should have been to accomodate that jacked up oline for either qb to win. Foles is being paid as a backup who should be able to step in and produce just like all the other backup qb’s even the rookie backups. If Foles was all you folks are saying he is why would it be necessary to change everything for him, he should be able to play behind the same line, with same gameplan and Mike. What should have been an insult for Vick is the fact that Reid decided run the ball to accomodate Foles and the line decided they would block/protect Foles, but didn’t give him the same consideration. As far as health is concerned, if Foles feels he needed the time off to rest from football and heal, after just playing two games, it just makes me wonder how he feel when he takes the hits Mike did….my guess not too good.
Greenfan! we missed you bro. How is everything?
Going well ES. Been a tough season, but I have to believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, just hoping it isn’t a train. Your Gmen have fallen back to the pack the last few weeks, but with the state of this division they are a good bet to make it back to the playoffs.
Hey Vinnie you forgot to add the stats the Foles has the most dropped interception in the league.. With half as many pass attempts
LOL that’s drole.
Cleveland game?
Just be happy I didn’t add anything about being the all time QB fumble leader…
You must just HATE this…..
Nate Allen benched for Kurt Coleman. Just imagine how bad you have to be to be benched for Kurt Coleman. Also Stanford coach David Shaw signs long term contract extension.
jmt, the thing you are missing is those teams have running games, better defenses, better special teams, and better coaching than the Eagles. The playcalling inside the 5 yard line vs. the Bengals was atrocious. I don’t blame that on Foles at all. Comcast showed what was wrong with every play and it came down to mostly coaching calls and players making mistakes, not Foles.
Remember folks this is the same Gary Cobb who said we should not have traded Mcnabb. Go back and look at what he wrote in 2010 on his own site. He’s a defensive player, so why trust him on QB’s?
Does 2nd rd pick Jarrett and 1st rd pick Danny Watkins say enough? No, i do not have faith in Roseman. If Reid goes so does Howie. Clean sweep!
Thats a very good point DMAN. Andy Reid is probably the worse coach ever when it comes to evaluating talent in the secondary. From Ellis Hobbs to Macho Harris these guys are scrubs. Then they let go of 3 guys who could have been starters on this team Danny Admendola, Daniel Te’o-Nesheim and Chris Clemons. As much as we bash Andy Jeff Lurie deserves a chunk of the blame also because I think he is bad at judging the right staff for this organization.
It depends on who is making these picks though. On WIP the other day, I heard that this last draft was more Roseman than Reid which is a change from the last couple of drafts.
I don’t know if that is true and I am not defending Howie, because I think that he should go too, but AR has had his stamp on pretty much the majority of the last couple of drafts.
It wouldn’t shock me one bit if the Eagles hired a bum coach like Jack Del Rio.
I mean seriously a 2nd rd pick cut from the team after 2 yrs, and then a 1st rd offensive lineman who probably will be a back up next yr. Oh, and let’s not forget about 1st rd pick Brandon Graham. Now granted he is making strides and looks more comfortable in a 4-3, but these kind of picks are unexceptable. Someone needs to be accountable. It’s one thing if these were 4th, 5th and 6th rounds but not your 1st and 2nd picks. And geez i hope your wrong about Del Rio. I think Lurie will take his time and hopefully will make a good selection
I admit I dont know much about star lotulelei but word on the street now is that The Eagles would draft him.
I think Vick could be good in a system that only throws the ball 25-30 times a game, but I don’t think he can run an option offense like RG3 or Cam Newton.
I don’t think Vick can carry the ball 10 times a game like a 25 year-old. Guys like LaDainian Tomlinson and Deuce McAllister who were drafted in Vick’s class are done from getting pounded on like Vick has over the years.
Some things are very worrisome about Foles.
1.He only won four games as a senior.
2. His back up is having the same statistical year he had with more wins, 8.
Larrwdthevictor, we have been over this many times. Foles was on a terrible team and statistically he had a good season. You say that no one can judge Vick from this year, because he was on a bad team, but you can criticize Foles when he was on a bad team last year.
What is your point on his back-up? if he is playing the same as Foles, then the team has gotten better. Your argument makes no sense. Haven’t you also stated that a team is more than a QB? That point doesn’t apply here?
The jury is out on him, I agree, but you seem to be actively rooting against him even though you say that you aren’t.
Vick ain’t gonna be here next year. whether you think he should or shouldn’t. Get over it.
Anyone else wonder what the next G-Man’s Article will be Titled, probably,
“Vick should be utilized like Belicheck Utilizes’s Tom Brady”
So clearly Peace, Daggolden, Larrwd and Realtalk are excited.
Looks like Mark Sanchez is going to be released by the Jets. Maybe he’ll come here to provide competition for Foles.
He’s obviously a very successful QB. Has a winning record in the pros. 4-2 in the playoffs. Been to the AFC championship game 2x in 4 years. If only the Jets had provided him with some weapons, and tailored their offence to him he would have been great.
So you guys would obviously think he’s be a great addition to the Eagles.
There are clearly no “Football” reason to not want him on the team…..clearly anyone who wouldn’t want him around is a racist who hates hispanics. That would be the aonly possible reason someone would be against Sanchez joining the Eagles.
So you guys all in on Sanchez?
Sanchez sucks, was put into a position he wasn’t ready for, not enough starts at USC to many OC with the Jets, no ability at all to read a defense. He sucks.
Does anyone remember how poorly Vick played the first 8-9 Games in 2011
where he literally blew games and had huge mistakes and tons of turnovers versus the BIlls,NY Giants,Bears and Arizona as they Started 3-6 and were virtually out of th Playoff Race by the 1st Weekend of November just like this year.. The Recent Track Record of a losing Record (10-15 in his last 25 Starts) and being among the Leauge Leaders in Turnovers (Int’s & Fumbles)
has Sealed his fate as a QB on the Decline
I would pass on Sanchez.. but do see the Arizona Cardinals interested
and possibly the Raiders checking on him..
I dont want sanchez.and im simply stating things that worry me about Foles.. Also we dont know whats going to happen with Vick. Foles is an Andy Reid type quarterback but Andy Reid isnt going to be here. Positively, we will get a couch with a little more defensive toughness and a coach that will run the ball more. The whole philosophy of the team is going to change. Its important Foles looks amazing these last 2 games, if not, anything can happen..
*Trade Alert***
Eagles Send QB M Vick, OL Todd Herremans, CB N Asmogoah, WR J Maclin,
to the NY Jets for QB Tim Tebow and their 2nd, 4th & 5th Round Draft Selections in 2013 and a 2nd & 4th Rd Draft Selections in 2014
this crap people keep saying about putting Vick into a read option offense similar to RG3 is killing me! RG3 is getting killed and won’t be the same an in 4 years ( same thing happened to Vick ). Rg3 is already hurt!
Sisterhood is as big as tim Tebow! You want to run an option in the NFL go get Tebow! Cause at least he is built to take a beating.
sisterhood is running west coast mixed with college stuff and so fsr , lets be realistic. That offense doesn’t look great.