Chip Kelly has built a college power house. No argument against that. In his four seasons as head coach, he has accumulated a 45-7 record in the Pac 10/12. His offense is always high powered, always high scoring (his teams have never finished lower than 11 in the polls at the end of the season) and he has coached Oregon to four straight BCS bowls. I understand everything I just wrote may present a positive argument for him, but Chip Kelly should not be the next coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, and here are four reasons why.
Reason 1 – Gimmick Offense
Kelly runs a spread offense that is constant no huddle. He likes smaller, faster skill position players, which the Eagles have but I’m sure we can all agree that’s been part of the problem here. The quarterback is always in the shotgun, even when they run the ball. The offense requires not just a mobile, but a running quarterback. Preach the Packers and Patriots all you want. When they won, they had smash mouth running backs. When they lost, they didn’t. Look at the franchises who have won multiple championships. They had good balance, a quarterback who didn’t make mistakes, and a good defense (see next point). Kelly’s teams don’t have this.
Reason 2 – Oregon’s Defense is Horrible
Could Kelly hire the right defensive coordinator who could cover his lack of knowledge on defense? Sure. But it’s amazing how awful Oregon’s defense has been since he took over, when he actually got his start at Columbia on the defensive side of the ball (he was the DB/SPT coach, then Defensive Coordinator at Johns Hopkins). Since 2009, Oregon has allowed 22.75 points per game, and that includes 2010 when they had two shutouts against 1 AA opponents. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL. I am aware that this is more the responsibility of the defensive coordinator he would hire, but he has shown no interest in improving the defense at Oregon. Remember the last time an Eagles coach totally neglected one side of the ball? I’m sure offensive players who played for Buddy Ryan would tell you this is a bad idea.
Reason 3 – Where are his players in the NFL?
I would accept the argument that his offense isn’t a gimmick or that he could change if need be if his players were anywhere to be found in the NFL. Since the 2010 draft, the first draft after he was hired, Oregon has only had eight players drafted into the NFL, four of those players play offense, and none of those players start. Kelly hand picks the players to fit his system in college. There is no recruiting in pro football. There is a draft and you can’t always get the player you want. If his system was so incredible, you’d think someone, at some point, would translate well into the NFL. The best offensive player in the NFL from Oregon during Chip Kelly’s time as head coach is probably undrafted free agent LeGarrette Blount.
Reason 4 – What if he fails?
If Kelly is hired, he won’t have a lot of time to figure out whether his offense works or not. This is not the city to come and try. When you’re here, you better get results or the fans will turn on you quick. If he fails, that sets the franchise back again and now you’re looking at two more, maybe three, years of bad football in this city. Do you want that? I don’t.
I’m don’t know who the next coach of this team is going to be, and frankly, everything I’ve read recently points to Kelly being it. I don’t want an experiment. I don’t want a retread. Jay Gruden, Josh McDaniels, Darrell Bevell, Bruce Arians have all proven that their systems works in the NFL. Chip Kelly has never spent a second of his career in the NFL. He has never game planned, or been in a room where others are game planning against an NFL team. His players don’t translate into the NFL so there’s no indication that his coaching style will. There are plenty of other, better qualified candidates to take over as head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Vote no to Chip Kelly in 2013.
Thank goodness sound reasons for no Chip Kelly. As a matter fact I do not want any college coaches. Also no retread head coaches e.g Gruden, Billick, Capers, Cameron etc. An assistant who has worked in the NFL, has had success as a coordinator. Mike McCoy(OC) from Denver, Mike Zimmer (DC) from the Bengals, Bruce Arians of the Colts, Greg Roman (OC) of the 49ers, Ray Horton (DC) of the Cardinals. Any of these guys would be the start of a good list.
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It’s about time somebody said something logical about this matter. I have stated since I heard this, That Chip Kelly, has NO BUSINESS being considered for this position. I’m all for moving in a different direction,…..but not that direction.
Howie Roseman, are you seriously going to replace the greatest Coach in Eagles History with this BS Coach? That being said I don’t want Gruden, Bruce Arians, or Bill Cowher……….
I want, in this order :
1. Vic Fangio
2. Darrell Bevell
3. Greg Roman
4. Gus Bradley
5. Dante Scarnechia
My vote, Gus Bradley Seattle’s DC…! I saw a clip of him a while ago getting in his defense a**** during a game…thats the kind of coach I want to see…If AR is not back in 2013…
LOL – the last phrase is too funny to ignore
you are a company man through and through
For the last time! NO CHIP KELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good article.
Oregon fans do not want Chip to leave. There is no gimmick offense that he teaches, just flat-out discipline. Ask any player who has played under him and they will tell you that’s his M.O.. For Chips sake I hope that he goes somewhere he is appreciated, or stays at Oregon where he is treasured.
Sadly it really doesnt matter what anyone thinks of who writes what article. The Eagles arent asking our opinion and really dont care what we think. They will do what they want. SMH
Funny that’s billion dollar industry would not want input from a bunch of dudes arguing on the internet
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/30715/oregons-defense-gets-noticed
Disagree with this. From reading his interviews I think he would adapt to personnel. We can’t tell if he’s hired.
I can understand the skepticism of #2, but I do think that would be reduced with a solid defensive coordinator but I have no conclusive proof of that.
Regarding #3, he’s beating the NFL players that are being drafted ahead of his guys. He’s not just beating up the lower echelon schools with inferior players. He’s beating the better teams with supposedly inferior players. That’s a bad thing?
And #4 is a throwaway because you can apply it to any coach hired.
I’m intrigued by Kelly, much moreso than Dirk Koetter or some of these other assistants. My #1 choice is Jay Gruden but I’d be thrilled with Kelly.
Tech your opinion is appreciated. But, he is all wrong for this team. To me he is nothing more than a successful college coach. You feel he can adapt based on what? His NFL Coaching experience?
I personally don’t see what the love for Jay Gruden is either, what have you seen from him that tells you he is going to be a good Head Coach?
My feeling is that some want Jon Gruden, and to have the psychological security blanket of having a Gruden coach the team, they affectionately want Jay Gruden.
His Bengals team has improved but there no juggernaut. I think that comes more from the maturation of the defense, AJ Green, and Andy Dalton personally, not because of Jay Gruden. It would be a mistake to think he could accomplish what his brother did just because he has the Gruden name. He can coach somewhere else, I don’t want him. No wow factor at all.
I want Jay Gruden because his offenses have done well in the NFL and he has had title winning success as a head coach. I don’t care if it’s the arena league, having a winning history does mean something. Unless you get a Super Bowl winner (Cowher, Billick, Parcells) you’re going to be asking the same question.
Regarding Kelly:
I have no evidence Kelly is going to succeed in the NFL, just like anyone listing Koetter, Nolan, Horton, or any of these guys has the similar evidence they’d succeed in the NFL. Or just like the similar evidence that you have indicating he won’t work in the NFL. Koetter has already failed in college.
I see his demeanor, I see his moxie on the sidelines and like it. I could be wrong but I’d be willing to take that chance.
I do understand the skepticism though.
Nolan, Horton, and a lot of the desired candidates have coached, or are coaching on NFL Championship teams….They have a leg to stand on. The ones clamoring for Chip Kelly don’t. Thats my point. And all tha you see on the sideline is with Kids, not millionaire men. Not trying to bash you but emphasizing the pessimism.
Jay Gruden, you also make my point. Winning in Arena Football is an accomplishment of sorts, but, in my opinion, it’s not enough to strengthen the point that he should be the next head coach of the Eagles.
There are other candidate who have done just as well in the NFL, or better than Jay Gruden, and would make a better Head Coach. Again , I’m not trying to bust your stones, I just don’t want mediocrity
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I would think that not having a roster littered with NFL talent and winning would be a positive.
If he had NFL talent on his roster, they could be much more dominant.
Great Article and precisely why the Eagles should not even talk with Kelly let alone consider hiring him
I see his Offense having a lot of Turnovers in the NFL which is the single biggest reason the Eagles have underperformed the last 2 Seasons which were basically over by the 1st Weekend in November
Eagles need a strict Disciplinarian who stresses ball control, physical dominance along both lines of scrimmage with a balanced approach and
BALL SECURITY as the #1 Priority.
Also this HC has to get the Eagles Secondary completely rebuilt
One area that was always a strength with the Eagles Defense was having a physical, fundamentally Seconday which we haven’t seen
In the last 5-6 Seasons
Stop the Turnovers and fix the Secondary and the Eagkes can compete in the weak NFC East
Continue with the small but fast pass happy offense and
And a soft Secondary, then the Eagles will be at the bottom of the NFC
For the foreseeable future
“I don’t want a retread” then listing Josh McDaniels….
Hmmm….
I agree Tech, but McDaniels is an example of a coach who has had more success than Jay Gruden, and would make a better head coach. Although I don’t think he is right for the Eagles, I’d take him over Gruden, and Chip Kelly.
A Coach who Coached for 2-3 Seasons or Less and not having things work out is not a Re-Tread.. Coaches like McDaniels, Mike Nolan,Mike Singletary, Scott Lineham all failed in their first stints after showing some Promise, they probably now have a better understanding and perspective on how they may do things different..
Now a Coach with who had many years experience and that has bounced around with different Team are who I would consider a Re-tread like Norv Turner, Andy Reid, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs,Dennis Green, Dave Wannstadt, etc,etc are what I consider Re-Treads not Coaches who has 1-2 Seasons in a unwinnable situation in some cases..
If you look at the games Oregon has played this year, the only two games where the score was run upon them were when the defense had significant injuries. Kelly pulls most of his starters at halftime after they run up the score 50-0 and then he brings in the 2nd and third string for reps., something he has done every game every year. This changes the overall stats. on offense and defense. I would argue that Oregons defense is in the top ten in the country if the starters were in for 4 quarters. In fact if Marcus Mariotta and Kenjon Barner were left in the games for four quarters you would have seen record numbers that nobody would have touched not even Johnny football. Nobody’s offense has walked on Oregons defense… I think #2 is bad information. If Chip implements a spread in the NFL you will probably see a similar approach to rotation with equal talent across the board meaning scout 1,2,3, all getting equal time. I live in Oregon, watch the games live, and know what Philly fans will be getting out of this guy…you will not be disappointed.
Dear Jeffery Loser,
I am sure you or one of your flunkies have read this article. Please post it on your walls.
No more tuty fruity offenses. Fundamentals.
Andy Read had a habit of losing to Fundamentally sound coaches. Even thought he is not a great coach, Lovie Smith and chicago beat the eagles all the time, because they played fundamental football.
No more undersized gimmick players.
The Harbaugh brothers have both been successful right away with fundamental football. Unlike the detroit lions the 49ers are winning again this season because of fundamental balanced football. The Lions and their wide 9 gimmick defense and the one trick pony offense fell flat on their face this year, playing a playoff team schedule.
We are going to have a top 5 pick in the draft. Hopefully top 3.
High 2nd round and 3rd round picks mean a chance to add several quality players. WITHOUT TRADING OUT OF THE 1ST ROUND.
Jeffery you are losing the fans. Many of us have already fallen off a Fiscal Cliff. Bring in a crap coach, that plus the cost of a divorce and you’ll be joining us.
Paul an’s Wish List Of Candidates
1) Vic Fangio
2) Brad Seely
3) Russ Grimm
4). Tom Clements
5). Mike Nolan
6) Mike McCoy
7) Ray Horton, Jr
8) Winston Moss
9) Gus Bradley
10) Juan Castillo
please remove #10
Oregon will have several players in the NFL in the next three years. Remember Chips only been coaching at Oregon for 4 years, so it takes time for those players to show up as Oregon ullum.
Just say no to Chip Kelly please and thank you.
Wrong Kelly. Brian would be very sucessful, but why would he lave ND for the Eagles? Clearly a step down.
So you argue that Kelly’s players aren’t in the NFL, but Oregon has gone 49-7 in four years. Well if the players aren’t that good, then the coach must be doing something right?
Chip Kelly is just the latest flavor of the month. The NFL is littered with college coaches who tried and failed. I think quite a few individuals would put Nick Saban in the top 5 of college coaches today for what he did at LSU and Alabama. He tried his hand at the NFL and when he realized he wasn’t going to turn the Dolphins around quickly he grabbed “Bama’s offer and went back to college. As far as Kelly’s offense goes, please don’t think DC’s won’t figure that offense out. These guys are not idiots. I think the Houston Oilers many years ago ran something similar with Warren Moon and it didn’t get them a ring either. I am not worried about the Eagles scoring points, they will do that. THey need to stop the other teams from getting 30-35 a game.
Kelly beat Harbough when he was the coach at Stanford in 2010, 2011.
If he were attached to such an unconventional gimmickof an offense, why he would be generating so much buzz around the league in the first place?
He declined a NFL offer last year and he has been linked to every team with a possible opening
I just don’t think the spread offense is the sole quality Chip Kelly has to offer.
Those are such trendy things to say about Kelly?
The article is B.S
You really fuckin think he’s going to bring that offense to NFL? If you do you’re an idiot.
Who has a defense in the PAC 12? It has been know. For years that the PAC 12 plays no defense. Kelly stayed ahead of the curve and blasted teams with his offense. You honestly think that’s going to happen in the NFL?
Why can’t Foles run his offense? Brady runs a spread, no huddle. Not comparing Brady to Foles, just saying if a slow, white guy can do it in Boston, one can do it in philly
I’m not saying I think he should be the next coach of the eagles, but the notion that he can’t is absurd!
Everyone is clamoring for a disciplinarian, well there he is!
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Not a question mark
Everyone in the Pac 12 knows this both De. and Off. under kelly are very disciplined, they tackle very well in open spaces, understand assignments and lead block better than any team. They flat out play well as a team (which is kelly’s montra). If you watch the players interviews they always talk about the team, never individual accomplishments.
And opponents of Kelly’s continually score 35-40 its a game. I don’t care how “talented and disciplined” his defense is. Teams still score off of that defense. And to use the logic Kelly beat Harbaugh twice is short sighted. If you want to use that logic then the Eagles should take Shaw from Stanford because he beat Kelly this past season.
Opponents scored 35 or more one time this season. 21 or fewer 8 times.
Philly- it’s almost common knowledge that the PAC -12 plays no D at all. Do you really think he would take that philosophy to the NFL? Honestly I don’t, this is a real smart guy. He knew what it would take to win the the PAC-12- offense! I think he would bring a really balanced, up-tempo offense and a stout D. He should have a lot of the offensive peaces in place. I think he would come here and build the D
Frank, you are kind of making my point. The comment was made how “talented and disciplined they are” Really? don’t you think talent and discipline would account for a few stops during a game? When you talk about talent and discipline lets reference the Giants, Steelers defenses. The NFL scores points. They made the rules that way. I don’t give a damn about Kelly’s “alleged genius” on offense. The Eagles score points and when the offensive line returns the starters the running game will bounce back.The only addition the Eagles need on offense is a big wide receiver to complement Jackson/Maclin. The Eagles need defense. They stopped no one this year, could not generate turnovers and could not get to the QB. Review the season and if the Eagles could have done any of those things a few time a game they would have played some meaningful games down the stretch, particularly in a weak NFC East. Defense my friend, defense. And Kelly is not the answer.
Take Shaw, We would love to keep Kelly… Go to the Oregon website and tell me how many teams scored 35-40 points on Oregon and then compare points allowed by lsu, texas a-n-m, Alabama. You probably didn’t read my earlier article concerning the starters getting pulled at halftime.
The coach of Mount Union in Division Three pulled his starters at halftime every game too. I think his teams averaged 40 points a game. Lets make him the coach of the Eagles.
reads more qualified than Howie and I don’t know his name
Shaw signed an extension to stay at Stanford.
If I were the Eagles Frank, I would still reach out to him, he would be a better candidate then anyone mentioned here.
I do agree with ya..
Shaw is not going anywhere as stated numerous times
He has a Heismann Trophy Candidate in his own Recruit in QB Hogan for next Season and a real good Chance at a NAtional Championship at his Alma Mater in beautiful Palo Alto,Ca
He’s beginning his 3rd Season next Year as Coach of Stanford and is finally having his own recruits play big parts of his Programs Success..
He’s committed to these kids and why would he want to give that up to go to PHilly.. This is a man of character and honor and not about his own ego..He will become a NFL Coach and a damn good one, but it will be on his timtetalbe in about 3 Years or so when he see’s his Goals thru at Stanford
Heisman trophy candidate or lucrative NFL coaching job? Tough choice.
Winning a National Championship at his Alma-Mater, Stanford is what is Driving him, not a bigger paycheck or his ego Biggy.. Why trade that in what he has going for him for Philly, are you nuts???
Because if he turns this franchise around and wins a Super Bowl he becomes bigger then just Stanford, come on paulman being the best at the NFL level is what it’s about. I bet you Nick Saban would trade all his NC wins for one Super Bowl win.
Philly- I think Kelly would realize that D is what’s needed on this team. I alluded to that in the previous post. My reference point o all this is Brian Kelly, when he came to ND, he was known as a offensive guru. What did he do when he got to ND? Built a nasty defense! These smart guys know what’s needed to win, wether or not they can obtain the talent is another question.
Chip is a smart guy, he will translate and adapt to the situation well…
whoever gets him will be lucky. Division three is Division three.
I will stand on my comment that many college coaches have tried and failed in the NFL. Just like the NFL is littered with star college players who couldn’t make that jump I believe it is the same with coaches. There is a distinct separation of talent, intellect and the ability to be successful in the NFL. Listen to a lot of ex players who talk about the “speed” of the game. That is not just physical speed but “mental” as well. The ability to adapt to what is front of you. Maybe college coaches also fall into that trap like players do. You do not change the NFL, the NFL changes you. It’s great to think you can come into this league and think you have found the next great revolutionary idea but eventually things get figured out. Winners in this league play defense and have an effective mix on offense. You pass to open things up and when the time comes run the ball effectively to seal the game. Please temper your enthusiasm on Kelly. Look at the history of the NFL. Hey, if the Guy who sits in the Nova Care Center wants Kelly it will be Kelly. All we want as fans is a Super Bowl Championship. If Kelly gets the fans one I will be at the parade. But if he doesn’t, the fans will make sure he hears about just like we did to AR but this time LUrie will also bear the brunt of our anger.
Kelly has the brains to make it work,
Best wishes to Philly fans!
Kelly much better suite for a warm-weather City or a Dome Team
I really see him landing at Arizona/San Diego wheere his up-Tempo Style could poop out opponents in the Heat..
When you think of the CArdinals, they have a decent Defense in place
they have some WR’s and will have a Top 4/5/6th Pick in the Upcoming Draft
Say the Chiefs at 1 pass on QB Geno SMith, I can see the Cardinals with Kelly at the helm selecting Geno SMith with that 4th/5th/6th Pick and could hit the ground running as far as implementing his System…
Weather means nothing as I proved to you fraud. Also, it’s so warm and dry in the pacific northwest
Philly- your completely correct in your assessment of the past college coaches. Also, you should stand by your comments that’s why we’re on here, However, there are always exceptions to the rules. I think Kelly is smart enough to realize that it’s going to take a real D to win in the NFL. I’m not suggesting that he’s going to come here and revolutionize football. I think he will run an offense very similar to Seattle.
Playing a Spread Offenses with lots of Pitches, Toss-Backs, Reverses, Screens plays behing the line of Scrimmage is much more riskier in the Northeast come mid-late Fall when the Turf starts to slow up and get muddy, and the winds begin to pick-up.. See Tons of Turnovers with his gimmicky High-School/Backyard style of playing in the Northeast come Mid-November thru December and in Playoff Season..
Now in a Dome/Warm Weather City, It could be effective
Teams are going to score on an offense that scores alot of points because they get the ball back alot more as well!!
Chip Kelly is absolutely the man for this job. The skillset our current set of players have fits in perfectly.
Is he going to bring his college scheme to the NFL? Yes, but he’s obviously going to make a few wrinkles in it so it can be successful in the NFL. I think Kelly is the type of coach that can make any team a better team. Where was Oregon football BEFORE Chip Kelly?
Only idiots like YOU Paulman would think that the exact same offense Kelly runs in college, will be the one he uses in the pros. Moron.
Chip Kelly is an offensive mastermind and will win a Super Bowl with whatever team he goes to within 5 years.
Birdo, very bold statement. I hope you’re right. While his system does probably fit with the players we have; that’s my concern, because I don’t like the players we have. We need to get bigger and tougher.
I think we do need that desperately on D.
What has this current System of Players actually Won in the last 2 Years
(Vick,D-Jax,Maclin,McCoy,Celek,Avant,etc,etc,etc)
Their Best Record is 8-8 so what does this Tell You
I like what realtalk posted about Gus Bradley, if he could bring that intensity and defensive mindset here from Seattle the Eagles would be okay.
I agree Biggie
I would take Bradley in a heartbeat. We need a tough Defense and Im sure he would toughen up that embarrassing unit. Chip Kelly Kinda reminds me of Petrino…next thing you know he will be crashing his Harley with a 19yr old on the back.
Bradley has 7 Years Coaching Experience in the NFL
4 Years with the TB Bucs (Quality Control/LB’s Coach)
3 Seasons as DC with Seattle Seahawks and has built a great Defensive Unit
with it’s Starters average a shade under 27 Years Old (2nd Youngest in the NFL)
Not sure what his Offensive Philosophy is or what Type of System he would run but he’s done a fantastic job on the Defensive Side of the Ball.. Just not sure if he’s quite ready yet for the HC Spot.. But he will definitely be on Teams Radat this Off-Season… He’s from North Dakota which probably means he’s not interested in the rat-race of the East Coast..
Seem him as a possible hire for the KC Chiefs
Was he with Gruden or Dungy paulman ?
The guy has been a consultant to the Patriots for crying out loud. There is zero guarantee that he’d bring this particular offense to the NFL.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/12/26/3803606/the-chip-kelly-conundrum
To hell with this gimmick everyone talks about. I have also stated I think Foles woul e a good dot for his offense.
Tighter spread with doubles, quads, option QB and roving tight ends.
I have a hard time thinking his team is goi g to go with a defensive coach.
Great article on bleedinggreennation.com. I posted the link but its “awaiting moderation”. The title is the Chip Kelly cononedrum. You should check it out wether your for or against the hire.. It’s dispelled every point that was written in this article.
Shaw’s been around Football with some of the Best minds in FOotball
Played 4 Years as WR under Dennis Green and Bill Walsh
Cut his Teeth at the NFL Level with the Eagles,Ravens and Raiders as a Quality Control Coach focusing on the Offense
Joined Jim Harbaugh’s Staff at San DIego State in 2006 as Offensive Passing Coach and then Joined Harbaugh and his Staff (Vic Fangio,Ed Donatell and Brad Seely) in 2007 when they tookover the Stanford Program as he focused on the Passing Game?WR’s Coach, RB’s Coach and eventaually become Stanford’s Offensive Coordinator under Harbaugh and then Took over the Stanford Program once Harbaugh and his fellow Coaches joined the 49ers
He lives out West will be a great Leader for a Team in the NFL, My gut is that he will remain at Stanford as long as he wants to and probably at least for the next 3 Seasons as he just turned 40 and is in no rush to jump to the NFL at this point of his Career where he’s calling the shots for his Dream Job and his Alma Mater at Stanford..
His 2 Year Record is 22-4 and has been the Pac-10 (12) Coach of the Year the last 2 Seasons… He has a lot going for him right now…
His Father was a lifetime Asst Coach in the NFL with many Teams as well and has been around the game most of his Life..