Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Jim Mora once called Michael Vick a “Coach Killer”, in that he shows these flashes of excellence with his speed and arm strength to get everyone all hyped up, but in the end he underperforms and that causes everyone to blame the coach for the disappoint rather than Vick. So far in Vick’s career Mora has been right on the money.
At the beginning of 2013, Vick added another coach on his belt when the Eagles fired Andy Reid. Previously he had helped Dan Reeves and Jim Mora Jr. get shown the door in Atlanta.
Still with that knowledge Chip Kelly was willing to give Vick another year and a new contract to prove that he’s not a “Coach Killer”. That’s got to mean he believes he can win with Vick. If not why keep him here.
In addition to that, I’m sure a number of Kelly’s assistant coaches let him know that he was shortening his honeymoon period with Philadelphia Eagles fans by hanging onto Vick. He has to know this fan base is short on patience right now after waiting for a championship for over 50 years. Shortening the honeymoon isn’t something you want to do with a group like this. Yet Kelly did exactly that. So again that must mean he believes he can win with Michael Vick.
Could Kelly be the first coach to truly harness all the skills of Vick or will he be another coach on the list that’s getting longer? I don’t think he’s going to be another coach on the list because he can get rid of Vick next year and survive him. Still why take this big chance unless you think you can start winning with this guy.
There’s no question that Vick has been a major disappointment in the last two seasons. He got the $100 million dollar contract but couldn’t get the job done. Over the last 23 games, the speedy lefthanded quarterback is only 10-13. He has turned the ball over at an alarming rate and been unable to stay healthy.
I’m confident that Kelly knew that he was shortening his honeymoon and that makes me believe Vick will be the starter over Nick Foles in 2013. Kelly knew the majority of the Birds fans wanted Foles to be the starter unless the coach brought in another quarterback, who was more fit for his offense.
BUT, they surely didn’t want to see Michael Vick take another single snap from center in an Eagles uniform. Kelly must have seen something which really excites him about Vick. He had nothing to lose by keeping Foles and naming him the starter, but Vick cost Kelly something which has tremendous value, honeymoon time with the tough Eagles fans.
Like other coaches before them, Kelly and his assistants believe they can transform Vick into a much more efficient quarterback, who makes good quick decisions and stays away from turnovers and injuries.
Even though Kelly gave Vick a new deal, it’s really only a one year deal, so the coach will be able to release him after this season if he doesn’t perform to a acceptable level. Of course the acceptable level is what Kelly decides it’s going to be.
Jim Mora is just bitter he couldnt last in the NFL if it was vick so much i think the latter wouldn’t be in the league. Hello people its been 12 years he has been in the league and has played in about 10.
I was listening to Mike Gill on the Sports Bash ESPN Radio and they made valid points everyone wants to say vick cant read defenses maybe there is some merit to it maybe he knows how to single out a specific defender and let him play his style of play and he can succeed he is in the league still that says alot for those supposed 1st rounders that didnt make it Russell, Leaf to name a few. But the fans know more then there teams organization. So lets be led by others opinions and assume the worst ( Sarcasm) like this persons article.
true that
Chip Kelly was supposed to represent promising innovation.
His first decision is the return of a depressing retread.
Not a good start.
Vinnie you do realize if he wanted to be completely innovative he would replace the entire 53 man roster or at least the entire offensive roster. He had to bring some of these guys back, he hasn’t had one full squad practice and already he’s a failure because he wants certain guys to implement his system and you guys cry about short sighted give me a break.
The honey moon was going bad she our new bride blew wind with hiring of Davis and ended when sh took a dump while I was shaving with bringing Vick back
Michael Vick really killed Jim Mora in Seattle wait what he never played for Seattle, Michael Vick really killed Andy Reid wait what Vick wasn’t responsible for all the boneheaded moves Andy made his last three years, Yep he buried Andy Reid so deep he got a job three days after the Eagles fired him. Nobody takes responsibility for the poor jobs that get them fired and then sportswriter instead of printing the truth fall back on old tired excuses because most of the public believe what they read instead of what they see.
first G isn’t a sportswriter but i get it. writers take the easy story (see michael wilbon and philly fans)–
however as a vick hater i am going to be onboard with our new coach on this. watching kaepernick run and not get touched, by seeing how the dive became such an effective play because of the end having to respect the corner, how the middle of the field opened up because the backers bit on the dive… come on fans lets give our new girl a shot! it neutralizes that whole 7-8 guy in the box thing~! lets go chip… vick has finally found his man!
Cigar, I agree with that but also the thing the Kap does even better then Cam Newton is throw the ball all that read option stuff is cool but teams have to respect that cannon he has. Just my opinion, helps also to be 6’5 240, LOL
point is that maybe if the field opens up, the drops get shorter, the backers are sucked in maybe vick can be effective. i don’t know but am trusting that my coach does… if he doesn’t …well you know how that goes!
Yes sir 4-12 here we come.
One of the ways analysts, so far, have recommended stopping the rad option is by hitting the QB everytime he goes back to run this thing. Vicks shelf life is going to be very short lived if that is indeed true.
he only has to keep it 4-5 times a game to make it effective and he doesn’t need a 20 yard gain…. come on guys i’m trying to get behind this! go birds!
all I know is… this Mike Vick dude is good for business……
ain’t that right G.COBB..LOL
a Vick article around here is an easy 100+ hit post.and that =Mo Money
Mo Money Mo Money
forgive my old ass… i’m serious with this question… so sponsors pay G for the number of hits?
Pretty sure all of the web traffic a Mike Vick article brings is attractive to advertisers…
next g article…’michael vick takes a crap at the novacare….should he have held it in so he could watch more film’
One thing that sticks out to me concerning Kelly is that he said he’s gonna play to his players strengths! That’s a big difference from what Reid did, trying to make Vick a pocket passer? Are you kidding me? We all use to sit here and complain about that, now we have a coach who feels he has a system that Vick can thrive in, let’s give him a chance and see what happens.
if he played vick to his strengths then he wouldve cut him because he doesnt have enough strengths to play QB in the NFL
even as a ‘vick hater’ i find that a stupid comment. you base this on his results of the last two years i assume??? on a team that obviouisly was headed in the wrong direction with a lame duck coach and a spoiled/poison attitude? i am an eagles fan, they hired kelly- he is making decisions off of things i have no idea about… you or i don’t know his plan… maybe this year is rebuilding and he has vick in so that he can at least teach the offense to the players that he is bringing in– maybe he gives them the full ability to put in the package. and then who knows… he unfortunately hasn’t filled us in on his plans.
See.. I can respect that HAC !!!
nice post !!
I wonder if Vick will call Ruben to send over the entire Phillies Organization this year to teach him how to slide since asking just Jimmy Rollins to teach him wasn’t enough? I guess you need to be a genius to know how to slide. And before someone calls me a hater for making a completely fair point remember we are talking about a guy that threw away millions to partake in ridiculous criminal activity. Sorry thats what a dumb person does.
Kaepernick and WiIlson will make you look stupid in open field, but both of them slide and avoid contact as best they can. They are smart guys. They know its in the best interests of their team.
post super bowl steve young said Kaepernick will never be this healthy ever again in the playoffs –he was able to start the season late with a first place time
And how many times has Donald Trump declared bankruptcy is he dumb? RGIII will make you look dumb in the open field as well and he will slide how did that work out for him? Not arguing with you pheags but we can play point counterpoint all day. Vick is dumb but he is still getting paid to play a kid’s game and coaches and front office types still believe in his ability who are the dumb ones in that scenario?
Bad analogy Biglion, its also false. Donald Trumps corporations have filed for bankruptcy but he never has personally. There is a huge difference. And he has actually took advantage of bankruptcy law to improve his business which seems smart to me. I’m pretty sure dumb people don’t graduate from Wharton either. I think their exams are a bit harder then the Wonderlic.
RG3 barely slides. Or at least slides they way a QB should, which is a big reason he got hurt. However, I do think RG3 is a smart man and I think he will learn and improve upon it as his career goes forward, unlike Vick. Vick is dumb and there are other dumb players in the NFL as well. If Dan Orlovsky was our QB I would be on here calling him dumb too. Did you see that safety play from a while back? the guy looked so clueless like he has never been on a football field before.
Jay Ratliff getting a DUI weeks after his teammate just KILLED another teammate for driving drunk. Seems to me that Ratliff is no genius either.
NFL is full of them. Probably why so many of them are broke by the time their 40.
True pheags the NFL isn’t full of Rhoades Scholar candidates.
I could read Vinnie write about Vick every day — it is so funny!
Songs ripping the front office is just as good.
Its what I do.
Great article G-Man..
I believe this move will come back to haunt Chip Kelly and indeed, he’s much less likely to get that 1 Year Honeymoon from Fans/Media for deciding on keeping Vick and some of the other underperforming Vets.. He had this one chance in his first off-season as a HC to make a Statement and to have his “own team” and he wimped out on it for obviously he is unsure of Foles Potential in his System.. I get all that, my thing is that if Chip Kelly is going to keep around these same Core Veteran Players of this Eagles Team who have been 12-22 in their last 34 Games and who basically quit on themselves, their Coaching staff last year, then why should anyone be excited about the prospects of 2013.. There was no better opportunity than right now for Chip Kelly to put him imprint on this Organization from Day 1 and has failed to do so.. I now have the feeling that CB Asmo,Patterson,Jenkins,Herremans,Cola, Allen etc,etc are all coming back and that the Status Quo still continues on (even with Andy Reid gone)
if I see Nate Allen in the starting lineup, I’m going to scream
he gets run over literally
he is a weakling, it is like having the punter play safety
they had to Mercy remove Vick from the last game of the year against the Giants
He looked scared out there in that Giant game — Vick took a severe beaten last year, I don’t expect him to recover from that beaten, he certainly didn’t return from that last really bad concussion in the Giant game
Vicks Eagles beat the giants in game 1 19-17 we lost our second game vick played like deer in the head lights sure but he still played and gave his best as a pocket passer not as his own style QB
****EAGLES JUST HIRED TOM GAMBLE AS VP OF PLAYER PERSONNELL****
GREAT HIRE!!!! WE GOT OUR FOOTBALL MAN, BOYS!!!! I LIKE IT ALOT!!!!
Howie swallowed his pride, & got a great right hand man! This takes a lot of the edge off of a underwhelming, lackluster coaching staff, that was hired!
Best news I’ve heard in a long time
Tom Gamble has oversee. The Player Personnel side for the 49ers the last few years with great success
Let Roseman handle Contracts/Salary Cap Management and let
Gamble get the Players for Coach Kelly & Staff
This comes a great time for I was beginning to sour over Kelly
Strength in this area and we already know that Roseman is not up to the task of building. championship caliber Rosyer
Paul, you nailed this months ago, Brother! Good call! Although you premature ejaculated with Donahue! LOOOOOL! This is a GREAT move! Maybe Lurie really had reservations about Rosebuds, & will allow him to assume a Banner type position?
I have some new medications for that now Dcar, so no longer an issue.. Ha,
But back to Eagles.. maybe the “Tres Amigo’s” wanted to make their mark first and hire “their guy” HC Chip Kelly.. But Gamble’s been out there for a little while now and it was no secret that he was looking for an opportunity to come back East to the Philly area (family is down in Delaware) I am stoked about this News..
Meds are good! LOL! Yeah, in all seriousness, this is the best news since flushing the Hindenburg!
Best news we have had from the Birds for weeks!!!
I am actually looking forward to seeing what the Birds do in the draft now….hopefully Gamble is given some real authority,and there is no reason to think that he will not, so looking for some big things. Great news….seeing Roseman make this move shows that they knew they were lacking in the personel evaluation staff. Real strong move.
Ummmm….what are you talking about Eagles0??
They should keep Nate Allen. Forget the results for the past few years. New coach will create a system to play to his “strengths”. I expect his best year.
I think the re-signing DRC should be a priority. I realize he’s been a slacker for 2 teams and coaches…but man, does he have talent. I’m confident that with a new coach who designs a system to his strengths, that he can be a pro-bowler for the Eagles.
I understand that this Trent Cole guy may be declining and on the wrong side of 30. But the Eagles should name him the starter. He was pretty good every now and then. The new coach will design a new system for his strentght. I’m sure he’ll have a pro-bowl year.
Not sure why everyone is down on the Fireman. He was pretty good in college. With a new coach and system, I am confident that he will turn it around from his down year in 2012. As long as the coaches design a scheme for his strengths, I’m sure he’ll return to the form that had him as the top rated guard pre-draft.
And this QB? Why the furor over having him as a starter? I understand he’s been a combination of mediocre to awful over his career, but god, what talent! I’m confident that a new coach and a system designed to his strengths will ensure success moving forward.
Brown won’t fumble and Dunlap has potential — I here ya
Might be time to change that tampon
This is perfect and hilarious!!! All Vick apologists should read it!! LOL
The head coach gets 1 year of me following without much crying. If he wants Vick… fine. If he thinks DRC will play for the DC…. fine. This is the soup the passaholic made and im giving this guy a year to see what its like. DRC, Nnamdi…. these guys had talent at one time. Im not seeing it now but they had talent. Let it play out and stop your bi#6ing for 1 min you overgrown babbies.
In other unrelated Philly Sports News
76ers William “Bum-Ass” Bynum is eperiencing “Pain” in his Knee again (as I stated he would) and his return timetable has been pushed back yet again..
This Bum-Ass won’t play a game for the 76ers which I stated back in Novemeber
wheres the Pom-Pom Dweeb JH at, with his breaking news garbage..
IS THAT ANDREWS BROTHER?!? XD
F^#@ him, & the Sixers! They’re non-entities! I hope he never plays again! He’ll get what he deserves for stealing $$$$ & milking this $#!T! Karma is a bitch!!!!
Somewhere JH is crying in his mom’s basement about another set-back to Bumyun., Didn’t he just report last week or so that Bynum was returning around the All-Star Game.. what another piece of garbage that kid is..
maybe Bynum can take JH up to New York after this Season and get them both the hell out of Philly
LMMFBO!!!!
IT BEYOND ME THAT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BLAME VICK FOR THE LAST TWO SEASONS. ITS COMPLETELY RETARDED. Rg3,wilson,and kapernick have the BEST OLINES IN THE LEAGUE are only asked to pass 14 to 19 times a game AND THEY ACTING HAVE A COACH THAT RUNS THE BALL.
Compare this to Vick passing 50 to 60 times a game with no Oline or running game.
FOR ALL YOU SMART PEOPLE OUT THERE.
In 2011 THERE WAS A LOCK OUT. VICK HAD 2 ROOKIES ON HIS LINE. One being a Center who HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD AT PASS BLOCKING(jason Kelce) AND A HORRIBLE RG in Danny Watkins who should be selling insurance. BECAUSE OF THE LOCKOUT THAT OLINE WAS HORRIBLE AT BLOCKING THAT WHOLE SEASON until the last 4 games that Vick took them on a win streak. LETS NOT FORGET IN 2011 THE DEFENSE GAVE UP 5 FOURTH QUARTER LEADS. THE NOT SO SMART PEOPLE NEVER MENTION THIS.
IN 2012 WE HAD NO STARTERS ON THE OLINE EXCEPT FOR EVANS. VICK DIDNT HAVE 2 SECONDS IN THE POCKET. ANDY ACTUALLY RAN THE BALL MORE WITH FOLES. How do you think we realized how good Bryce Brown was? AND FOLES BROKE HIS HAND. So to make excuses for Foles and bash Vick shows the intelligence of an Eagles fans It also shows your hate is more about Vicks past than his play. Just like Ray said when all his haters tried to bring him down. “God dont make mistakes” Itd be funny if Vick won a superbowl.
Is your real name Marcus?
BRUH, you can’t be serious! NO EXCUSES ON THIS SITE, MARCUS!
The Pass/run ratio increased with Foles under centre.
Now go back to your grade 9 typing class.
I agree Sir
No worries about Vick winning a super bowl. the guy has 2 career playoff wins and both were in same year. It’s not about his past for me as far as mistakes. It’s about an entire career of turnovers and injuries. Lack of playoff success and lack of taking responsibility for his part in losing. He is a warrior and I commend the guys changes he made in his life. I just do not think he is a good QB. Other than 2010 his stats are below average and 2 playoff wins is very unimpressive period. His numbers throughout his career really are on par with Jake Delhomme’s. Go look it up bc it’s very true. No thanks at 33 yrs old and no upside. Nothing to do with personal life or anything to do with other factors. Just plain out think Vick is not a good QB and we have all seen enough to know that.
NOW I USUALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON MOST OF YOUR POST G. BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG ABOUT VICK BEING A COACH KILLER. HOW DO I KNOW? I LIVED IN ATL AND WATCHED THE FALCONS.
Dan Reeves lost his job because a new owner of the Falcons by the name of Authur Blank wanted to start fresh and go in a new direction. Vick broke his leg in a PRE SEASON Game and was out nearly that whole season that Blank got fired.
Jim Mora GOT ANOTHER COACHING JOB AND FAILED. HE WAS NEVER A GOOD HC TO BEGIN WITH. VICK AND HIS LEGS GOT THE FALCONS TO AN NFC GAME IN 2004. FOR THE RECORD IT WAS JIM MORA SR. WHO ACTUALLY CALLED VICK A COACH KILLER.
NOW ON TO ANDY REID. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BEGGING FOR REIDS HEAD SINCE MCNABB WAS HERE, IT WAS ANDY THAT DECIDED TO MAKE AN OLINE COACH DC NOT VICK. G STOP BELIEVING THE LIES THAT THE MAN PRINTS OUT ABOUT VICK BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONAL HATE
Can you tell God to let go of Vick so he can play better Football… thnx
It’s called the caps lock button. Press it.
godgotvick,
Vick only threw the ball 33 times a game in Philly – 53.8 % completion…
Kaepernick threw the ball 31 times a game in SF – 62.4% completion.
RG3 threw the ball 26 times a game in Was – 65% completion.
If Vick was as good as either of those two players there would be no discussions about who should start.
Vick passes 60 times against the clevland browns. This discredits your whole statement. The commetators have said several times that the 49ers have the BEST OLINE in the league. Huge difference and the run the hell out of Frank Gore and dont give up on their run game. Only time we ran the ball much was with Bryce Brown when Foles was in. Those guys have smarter coaches than Andy as well. Vick still passed twice the amount of times as both of those guys with a far inferior line. So that discredits your other statement.
Vick passes 60 times against the clevland browns.
No, he passed 54 times against the Cleveland Browns and the Eagles won the game. This discredits your whole statement….
He passes 32 times vs. Balt. – 37 vs Arz. – 30 vs. NYG – 30 vs. Pitt…. He averaged 33 passes per game since he has been an Eagles.
Are you taking his rushing attempts in account Irish, probably 75%of them were called pass plays out of the huddle
Percy Harvin anyone? Talk about the perfect weapon for Chip Kellys offense. A tough runner, a nice slot receiver and a great return man he fits Kellys system perfectly. He is looking for a big payday. I wouldn’t mind trading DJax for him straight up. If the Vikings don’t want DJax would you trade Maclin and your 2nd round pick for Harvin? Just remember the Vikings aren’t giving him up for something dumb like Maclin and a 4th or 5th. You gotta give to get.
Harvin, will be released so there will be no need to trade for him. But I wouldn’t want him anyway.
He hasn’t played an entire season since he’s been in the league. He has the same talent as DeSean, less speed. Some may want Harvin, simply because he isn’t DeSean…….Lateral Move, but DeSean has played entire seasons unlike Harvin.
Absolutely not Dag
Eagles have 3 WR on their Current Roster under 6’0 and 200lbs (Maclin,D-JAx and Johnson) why would you add another smurf to the Receiving Corps
We’ve all talked about the Eagles getting more Physical and Bigger at teh WR Postion to be able to work the middle of the field and be more effective in the Red-Zone..
and Probably the biggest reason to stay away is that he has chronic Migraine Headaches since his Rookie Season, this fella misses a coupld of games a year, missed a lot of practices during the year and the Eagles must stay away from this, he is also had some Teammate and Coaching Issues as well with the Vikings.. He’s very talented, no doubt, but the Eagles do not need to add any injury-prone players or players with medical issues ..
That makes sense, so why would you want them to sign Jennings? I like him but he is 6’0 at best and he has missed 11 games the last 2 seasons. I like Jennings, but I think someone is going to overpay for him.
LOL Vick Lol….Fuck this bullshit.
agreed
Some if you posters rip on Songs and rightfully so for the things he posts. But some of you are just as bad when it comes to the QB. Find another team to root for it might make you happy.
You know one of those teams with a great drop back pocket passer.
you mean like the ones that seem to win the superbowl? those kinds of qb’s?
Go root for one of them Cigar if that is your preference. Trent Dilfer was a pocket passer as well. Great Qb he was but he won a Super Bowl.
I don’t jump ship… Just pointing out that a drop back qb might just be the ticket. We don’t have one nor do we have a coach who wants one it appears. I hope he is right…
If keeping Vick helps implement the system faster I am all for it. I don’t think Vick will be the QB for long because he won’t stay healthy, but I think the system will install faster if they use a QB that is best suited for it. It’s a shame Randall Cunningham isn’t in his prime. I’m fine with a short honeymoon for the coach. He knew that it would be unpopular to keep Vick and he went with it anyway.
Which makes me respect him more….Shows he is a coach that is going to do things his way, regardless of the popular opinion….Seems like a “man” to me! not a puppet!
Did anyone else read this in the Daily News? (Though I’ve been saying it for months now)
A few weeks ago, Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com crunched some numbers on Foles’ rookie season. Roob found that Foles’ 60.8 percent completion percentage is fifth in NFL history among rookie QBs, behind some pretty notable figures — Ben Roethlisberger, Robert Griffin III, Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan. Foles’ average of 243 yards passing a game ranks third all-time, behind Andrew Luck and Cam Newton, neither of whom completed 60 percent of their passes as a rookie. Thus, Foles is the only NFL rookie, ever, to average more than 240 yards while completing at least 60 percent of his passes. (You could argue that Marc Bulger did this with the Rams in 2002, but he was not technically a rookie, having been on the roster behind Kurt Warner for two years, not playing.)
Foles threw an interception once every 53 attempts. In NFL history, only one rookie QB has had a better ratio, RGIII last season, one every 78.6 atempts.
I think Vick is the guy.
Can someone please explain what is gained by a Vick led team going 6-10, 7-9, 8-8…whatever?
Man shut your ass up for once….please, damn….They will compete for the starting job…can’t make it any simpler than that…
If Foles cannot beat out Vick with all his glowing rookie stats and 1-5 record then maybe he’s not the guy. Vick sucks remember guys so he should be easy pickings for Nick.
If it is really an open compettion it will not be close, there’s some strange things goin on with the eagles kelly, is he really going with Vick, or is he securing a contract to trade him, it makes little sense to go with a quarterback that defies all, most of the characteristics you require for the qb as stated at your press conference, no sacks, good decision maker, gets rid of ball quickly to playmakers, none of this is vick, is Lurie once again telling Kelly to go with Vick like he did with Reid, something doesn’t add up and You will see more change at the qb position
Lurie- “um… chip….. heres the deal….. even though the city hates this guy…. uh….. even tho he costs us way more….. even tho i didnt want him here in the first place…. uh…. your going to start Mike Vick because uh…… it causes some of the girls on GCOBB.com to cry a lot and make snit up and i think thats funny so uh……. yea. Vicks the guy…. thanks”.
LOL AT ALL THE RETARDED VICK HATERS. FOLES PLAYED THE WEAKER PART OF THE SCHEDULE. Couldnt even score 1 TD against the freaking PANTHERS or the redskins in the 1st meeting. Foles best game was against the sh*ty Buccaneers team. He only threw 1 TD in both meetings against sorry ass Dallas. Vick on the other hand BEAT two superbowl champion teams. The Giants and Ravens. He also had to play the Cardinals when they were 4-0,The Steelers. Vick had the toughest schedule in the entire NFL without an Oline or help from the run game. Alot of you Vick haters are pathetic.
Vick sucks – That’s all there is to it… Saying that Foles played weaker opponents doesn’t change anything… Maybe Foles sucks too. That don’t make Vick any better.
You got a computer – go look at Vick’s career stats. He is nothing more than a bottom 10 quarterback who is injury prone. He is in the Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick class… “just serviceable”.
Keep it in persepective GGV
Redskins,Bengals were 2012-2013 Playoff Teams, and even the Cowboys and Giants were still in it until the final week of the Season, meanwhile the Cardinals and Steelers were home just like the Eagles were..
the 2012 Season as well as the 2011 were lost in the first 10 Weeks in the Season where Vick was leading the Birds to many Bird Droppings along the way..
The final 6 Games last Season as the final 5 games of the 2011 Season were meaningless as far as Playoff implications..Vick is 10-15 in his last 25 Starts , enough said..
exactly big, that’s how I see it, unless there’s something else going on, Vick is still money to the eagles, the NFl, theres a lot that goes on behind closed doors that we are not privy to, it’s hard to explain otherwise how Vick is still on this roster, esecially with what Kelly said at his pres conference about the prequisites of his qb, polar opposite of Vick, all of a sudden he watches a few films and Vick is back in the mix, doesn’t add up, or maybe this kelly is a bullshitter extrordinare, either way it flat out sucks we are still talking about Vick, the eagles need to move on from Vick, pure and simple
While the WIP audience overwhelmingly hates Vick I doubt that can be said about the other 80% of the audience. People don’t “Love” Vick, but they also don’t hate the guy. He’s essentially one knock out game away from being well respected as a Philly pro QB again.
I won’t lie, I’m curious to see what he would look like behind a better O-Line, I’m curious to see if he can dig down and find a quicker release. I have the same curiosities about Foles in this new offense.
I am going to stick to this theory. Mike you help us install read option, you run it for a year, then when you are 34 you become a very attractive read option vet FA to backup one of the young guns who run it. If that happens there is open competition on the market to a niche qb to back up other niche qb’s. It’s pretty common knowledge that if you are a RO team then you need a RO backup
If Kelly only wants Vick to install the read option, he wouldn’t need Dixon…By bringing Dixon here, all that garbage about Vick staying to install the read option, is false, he can do that with Dixon….end of discussion….
Need two bro…Dixon is cheap, Foles is gone. Dixon is probably the number two this year then depending on who we draft number one next year he starts or backs him up. Now it’s the end of discussion.
I agree cigar, Foles is gone by day 2 of the draft.
Butch,
Behind a good offensive line Mike Vick would look a little like he did in 2006 behind a very good Atlanta line – Wayne Gandy, Matt Lehr, Todd McClure, Tyson Clabo, and Todd Weiner.
Vick would be slower…. and he might not last 16 games, but if he did he might rush for 1000 yards again. He might electrify the fans again… And the Eagles would finish 7-9 just like the Falcons did. Because quarterbacks are suppose to pass for a little more than 52% completions and 2500 yards.
@Irish and if you were being real, Vick hasn’t passed for 52% since 2006…Anyone that has a clue or without an agenda would admit Vick is better pocket QB than he was in ATL…want to talk about 2012 season, his injuries and turnovers then fine…but using a completion percentage that occurred over 7 years ago is a reach
Real,
Yep – Andy Reid kept Vick in the pocket and made him play in a WCO, but those days are gone.
Go look at John Elway’s completion percentage before and after 1992 when Mike Shanahan installed the WCO in Denver. You’ll see an example of what happens when a QB plays in a WCO compared to other offensive schemes.
Jim Mora never made Vick conform to the timing rules of a WCO like Reid did with Vick since he got him in Philly.
Most every NFL team today use the timing routes of the WCO. That’s why QB comp % are so much better these days.
But if Vick plays the way he did in Atlanta (being his own dump-off), running 125 times in a read /option offense, expect him to be back to 53%…
Also if you were being real, you’ll also see that when the Eagles had an healthy but still struggling O line in 2010 Vick completion percentage was 63%…
If Vick didn’t restructure his contract he would have been the number one FA out there I believe…. You would think he would have done better than one year at about 7 mill….
52% and 2500 Yards is outdated Stats required by the Top Dozen QB’s..
it’s more like 58% and 3500 YArds to be an Upper Tier QB Statistically anymore in the Pass-Happy NFL.. The Top QB’s approach and even surpass 4,000 Yards now over a 16 Game Season.. The Problem with Vick is that he hasn’t played a full Season since 2006 and very unlikely that he ever will in the Future whether it’s for the Eagles or another NFL Team..
New Blockbuster Deal between the Eagles & Chiefs
Eagles send QB Foles, WR Maclin , OL Herremans to the Chiefs
Eagles Recieve the Chiefs 2nd Round Pick (#33rd Pick)
4th Rd (#97th Pick) and 6th Rd (#161st Pick) and 2014 Draft 4th Round Pick
The Eagles then Trade their #4 Overall Pick in the 1st Round to the Rams
for their both of their 1st Round Picks (#16 & #22 Overall)
Eagles end up with #16th,#22nd,#33rd,#36th,#68th,#97th,#100th,#132nd,
#161st, #164th & #190th Picks of the 2013 Draft (7 out of the Top 100)
and then Draft like this
#16th – DE Ezekial Ansah (BYU 6-5 274lbs)
#22nd – OL DJ Fluker (Alabama 6-5 350lbs)
#33rd – DT John Jenkins (Georgia 6-4 350lbs)
#36th – LB Kevin Minter (LSU 6-1 245lbs)
#68th – WR Justin Hunter (Tennessee 6-4 205lbs)
#97th – Safety Tony Jefferson (Oklahoma 5-11 212lbs)
#100th – CB Leon McFadden (San Diego St 5-10 195lbs)
#132nd – Guard Alvin Bailey (Arkansas 6-5 315lbs)
#161st – Safety Duke Willaims (Nevada 5-11 205lbs)
#164th – TE Ryan Otten (San Jose St 6-5 245lbs)
#190th – DT Josh Boyd (Miss State 6-3 315lbs)
Hmmmm that is almost logical…
Except I don’t think the rams would do it
Rams want OT Eric Fisher who will be gone in the Top 6-8 Picks
Joeckel goes #1 to the Chiefs (who get their QB Foles, get their WR and
and versaatil OL in Herremans)… It’s already in motion in my mind..
Unfortunately it’s your mind… That would be huge but I’m pessimistic
The main reason they’re keeping Vick is the primary reason why the hiring of Kelly was probably a mistake – there are only a few quarterbacks on the face of the earth who can run that fad offense full time in the NFL. There are no credible candidates in the draft who can do it and there are no free agents who can run it.
My hope was that Kelly would cook up some sort of hybrid system that could be run by someone other than RGIII, Cousins, Kaep, and Wilson. Something like what they do in New England, maybe. But what we’re going to get is Vick for the first 5 or 6 games until he’s seriously injured – which is when Kelly will be “forced” (who could ever guess that Vick would miss several games in a season due to injury, so this couldn’t be part of the plan, right?!) to put in Dixon.
But when Dixon gets hurt, then what? Are we gonna luck out like the Redskins and end up with two QBs on the team who can run the same system equally well?
Remains to be seen… but the long-term question for this offensive scheme is how many quarterbacks are available to run it effectively and what do you do when you run out of them on your bench.
“But when Dixon gets hurt, then what? Are we gonna luck out like the Redskins and end up with two QBs on the team who can run the same system equally well?”
Missed a line in between those two sentences: “Worse, what it Dixon is a bigger turnover machine than Vick and can’t run the offense?”