The Eagles have agreed to a two-year deal with one of Chip Kelly’s former quarterbacks Dennis Dixon. Dixon was on the Ravens practice team and became a free agent, therefore free to sign with any team of his choosing.
We are excited to bring in Dennis Dixon to compete at the quarterback position,” Eagles GM Howie Roseman said via released statement. “Dennis is a veteran in this league that has been a part of two Super Bowl-winning teams in his career. He’s also very familiar with Chip Kelly and how he operates.
This can’t be good news for second-year quarterback Nick Foles. Clearly Kelly is showing that he likes quarterbacks, who can run and Foles can do a lot of things, but running well isn’t one of them.
I think the starting quarterback job is Vick’s to lose. There’s no way they would have agreed to pay him $7.5 million dollars, if they didn’t think he was going to start. The signing of Vick has cost the team big money and it’s cost Kelly time on his honeymoon with Eagles fans. I don’t think he would have done it, if he didn’t believe Vick was going start.
The one-year deal protects the team in case Vick gets hurt, which is a probability. I could still see the Birds adding a quarterback to the team via the draft.
Dixon gives them somebody who is familiar with Kelly’s system and from what I’ve heard it’s a system, which is fairly easy to pick up. I was told that the genius of Kelly is the fact that he has made the system so simple that players are able to pick it up fairly easily.
I believe Dixon is regarded as security for Vick if he falls on his face in the offense, which they don’t expect to happen. Stay tuned.
Vick was never a west coast qb to begin with. He had a winning record in both seasons under Dan Reeves who didnt run WC offense. Vick struggled last season because they switched the protection schemes.Making things more difficult for Vick to pick up.Mudds scheme has been said as very hard to pick up. Several Lineman have complained about it during their time here. Vick said this right after the season on the fanatic radio show.
He said he was allowed to run more with Castillo and the bigger Oline made bigger holes for him. Also our new qb’s coach Bill Lazor has History with Vick he was the Falcons offensive quality control coach in 2003 under Reeves. He knows about Vick from then to know. Vick is gonna shine on you haters! Just like Ray Lewis did when everyone tried to hate on him.He hosted a lombardi on all the racist B*tches
Oh I get it you are a racist asshole…now I get it. Lots of excuses you posted there marcus
What in godtovick’s comment “screamed” racism?
So anytime someone brings any type of analyst of the team that may have impacted Vick’s performance, their racist?
The ray Lewis part ..he is not Germaine to this conversation.
And as stated before if you hate mv because he’s black or defend him because he’s black you are a racist a.hole
HAC, very well put!
Eagles actually saved large $$$ by having Vick take a 35% Pay-Cut G-Man..
Dixon will be a good Camp and Pre-Season body since he knows Kelly’s System, but that’s about it ..I really don’t expect much or will get too excited about this aquisition.. It Definitely means the door for Trent Edwards..
foles is OUTTA HERE, he is too slow afoot in chip kelley’s new offense.. i wish him well
Man if I were Nick Foles and I don’t like him, I would be pissed right about now. I think the Eagles have informed him and his agent that he’ll be traded either before or during the draft. Just my opinion.
Spot on… Hey things happen for a reason. I’m sure there is at least one team that believes RO is a fad and want a 6 foot 5 inch QB with a good arm….you know one of those yucky, stereotypical, out of fashion pocket qb’s…
As I’ve stated all along BigL…Foles should not be handed anything…If coach believes Foles has some potential in his offense, Foles will be here….if not, I guess he was not the right player for the system…As Vick and Foles have been throughout the majority of their careers….
meant “as vick and dixon have been throughout the majority of their careers”
Throughout Foles career? Wtf you talking bout unreal? Foles has a six game career! Don’t make excuses he doesn’t need any, save the for MV
see post above for the “typo” “mistake”…I know your perfect, mistakes don’t happen for you…
Anyway, its not an excuse its reality…if Foles is traded or released or not utilized I guess that’s due to him not being the right fit for the system…what else would be the reason? This is what I’ve been saying since day 1
Hey I hope Kelly installs the RO and Vick is perfect for the system.. I sincerely do and I will admit to a career wasted by wrong system.. But if he blows and we stink I will be on him and with this system there can’t be anymore f.ing excuses, it can’t be everyone else’s fault
I hear you real, if no QB is drafted then all three will be here, If they draft one Foles is the odd man out.
Trade him for what? Maybe a 5th round pick you may get.. Theres no team in the NFL he would start for besides maybe Arizona and he probably isn’t any better than Kolb. 1-5 record with 5 fumbles 5 ints and 3rd round reach doesnt get you much. Plus he has shown us he isnt durable, hurt after 6 games isnt good.
Could have played if it meant something … I will agree his value was spoiled because everyone knows he doesn’t fit RO… I predict Miami, pittsburgh, Denver, NE, maybe NO as insurance. Arizona, Cleveland, for a chance to start
Foles isn’t going anywhere. Dixon will leave before Foles, just a flat out better Quarterback.
Based on what Cliff? I get that Dixon last year was a practice squad guy but your talking about Foles like he’s something special if he were that much better in my opinion Vick would be gone and Dixon wouldn’t even be in the equation. I honestly think that Foles will be moved during the draft and Kelly goes full on read option.
He is that much more better than Dixon; out right that much better than Dixon…He isn’t going anywhere.
Despite his lack of speed, Foles has enough talent to work with to be a franchise QB.
You guys are acting like Dennis Dixon is gonna change the shortcomings of the Eagles, when in reality, his signing is symbolic of the faulty thinking of this organization.
Most of you who are excited about this move are envisioning Dixon playing in the Oregon Offense, back in the day, which is asinine, when in reality, Chip Kelly’s Offense will probably mirror New England’s with a few wrinkles.
Could Dixon run that Offense?….NO….Could Foles?..Yes, and he doesn’t have to be mobile, just smart. And his arm is stronger than Dixon.
Between the 3 QB’s on the roster…Vicks arm is the strongest, and he is the fastest; which gives Kelly more options with him then all three. Thats why I understand why he resigned him, but Howie may be thinking, if Vick can’t do it, then I have a Vick Clone in Dixon, which is where the mistake in the evaluation is.
Too much focus on the Dixon of 2006, or whatever, and not enough attention paid to the Dixon of 2007-2012……Two different animals. It is what it is; He’s on this team, I can’t control that but, in my opinion, this is another mistaken misstep by this organization.
godgotvick,
Did you watch any of the games the past 2 years. What does this have to do with race.
DID YOU? Anyone blaming Vick for anything in 2011 is not smart at all. We had a lock out and new players on the Oline(rookies) that didnt start gelling until the last 4 games that VICK lead them on a winning streak. The defense gave up 5 FOURTH QUARTER LEADS IN 2011 ALSO. The offense was putting up 20+ points a game. Turnovers in 2011 as far as Vick goes. The majority of them were Passes that bounced off recievers hands! SEVERAL TIMES! If anybody could point out a flaw about Vick for 2011 it should be for tipped passes.
EXCUSES!!!! He is slightly above 500 for his career loads of turnovers. It was the coaches , o.lines, defense special teams everyone but mike
Not only that he’s comparing the great Michael Vick to a rookie 3rd round pick. Great players don’t need excuses. I sure hope the Eagles locker room isn’t anything like this post.
2011 the Eagles Offense and OL were intact all Season, it was Vick’s 3rd Year in the System and he led the the Team to a 3-6 Start and right out of Pkayoff Contention.
Im almost certain Vick will be the starter and shine. All the Foles praisers are not that intelligent. Foles played the easier part of the schedule only winning 1 game against the Sh**y Buccaneers team. He only threw 1 TD in both meetings against the sorry a** Cowboys. In the first meeting against Redskins he threw 0 TDs. He thew 0 TD against a sh**ty PANTHERS team as well, and he only threw 1 TD against Cincy.
Yeah he so much better than Vick. You Eagles fans are pathetic. Comare the Teams Foles played to the ones Vick did. Vick beat two Superbowl championship teams. The Giants and Ravens. Vick had to play against the Steelers,Saints,Cardinals when they were 4-0,and an undefeated Falcons team.
Vick had the toughest schedule in the entire NFL with no Oline,run game, and Mudd’s stupid blocking scheme which is more suited for a statue type qb. Vick picked up Castillo blocking scheme quick which is why Vick shined in 2010. Alot of you Vick haters know nothing about football
I don’t have a horse in this race, because neither Vick or Foles is going to be the long term solution with Kelly in town, but I can’t help but respond to this.
First off, your most difficult schedule comment.
-The Saints were 7-9 last year and had historically one of the worst defense in football and the Vick led Eagles scored 13 points against them
-The Cards were playing well at that time but they ended up 5-11. Is this where you defend Kevin Kolb?
-The Giants were 9-7 last year. They didn’t exactly tear it up.
When Vick was the starter they scored 15.5 pts/game
When Foles was the starter they scored 20 pts/game
Must have been the offensive line or players playing around Vick though except he had McCoy and D-Jax for almost every game and Foles was without both of them for 3 games.
My point is that you make every excuse in the world for Vick, but the ones that could apply for Foles too, you conveniently forget to apply when criticizing him. He played behind the same crap offensive line with the same crap defense, but for some reason Vick gets a pass and he doesn’t.
I am all for competition, may the best man win. I am really concerned about Vick’s history of injuries though especially with his concussions from last year and with what looks to be an increase in run calls designed for him. And I have no faith in Dennis Dixon. He has done nothing in the NFL and if he is the QB that some people think he is, then why hasn’t a team adjusted itself to his talents?
But hey what do I know? I pointed out some things that might put Vick in a negative light, so I must be a racist who knows nothing about football.
@Bugsy – folks on here do the same thing in regards to Foles, but bash Vick…I don’t see you saying anything to them….
Foles is a rookie 3rd rounder.. Even mentioning him in the same breath as a man who was drafted number 1 with ten years experience and 2 huge contracts (actually3) counting his rookie.
Foles a professional football player who’s is not excused from criticism…especially, when you have folks on here (and you know it) who say Foles is better than Vick…so don’t sit here and act like you have not heard anyone say such a thing…
As stated at least 5 -10 times by me on gcobb. I don’t know if Foles is a player, I like SOME of the things he did. I didn’t annoint him. I say Vick sucks based on year after year of mediocre seasons…
I also stated Vick gave us a better chance to win last year. Think of it like smith Kaepernick, hrbaugh kept smith in because he gave them the best chance to WIN.. Fr almost two seasons, then when he thought Kaepernick gave him the best chance.. We know the rest
Stupid statement with Foles Andy ran a more balanced attack. I mean how do you think we learned about a guy name Bryce Brown and by your logic about the team scoring more with Foles. Well maybe,just maybe that has to do with BRYCE F’ING BROWN. They ran the heck of the guy when Foles was in,THEY ACTUALLY RAN HIM ALOT MORE THAN THEY DID WITH MCCOY IN THE REDZONE and He was breaking off big runs and scoring TDs. So you Failed.
Because McCoy was hurt nimrod! Concussion
@GodGotVick….I hear you….There is no question that the Eagles got more production from their running game when Bryce Brown started…And we all know that Brown is not McCoy…Brown had 4 rushing TD’s to McCoys 2…So I guess Brown is better than McCoy now too? nothing to do with the O Line improving? or the play calling?
I think the biggest difference was Bryce breaking off alot of huge runs,nobody having much Film on him and Foles and they actually used him more in the redzone than they did Mccoy.
If Bryce Brown held on to the ball, Eagles coulda beat Cowboys/Panthers
And Fules would have been 3-4 instead of the 1-6 most likely
Im hearin no one talk about defense.. gotta stop people
I’ve been here before Godgotvick. …and we will see about Foles. I am very intelligent, and I conclude that Foles at some point of time, will be the full time starter, and I am not a Vick hater, just a realist.
The young talent will have to eventually play, ala Kapernick/Smith, in San Francisco. I feel Foles will eventually be the Franchise QB, for the Eagles.
I’ll take that bet and see you, when you eat your words brother.
It’s a good signing. The important thing is getting the system they will be using in place. Having a guy that has run it and been successful with it cannot hurt.
Successful…….in College..not the pros
This reminds me of about 30-40 years ago when several pro coaches visited Tubby Raymond at UD, stole some of the wing T action, blocking schemes. Tubby got contacted about being OC or HC in pros…. He told them it was a college offense, didn’t go…. RO is a fad I think it’s gonna be tough when you have 16 games not 12
damn 30-40 years ago…no wonder why you have a problem with the “new” QB…you still operate on a Mac too, I bet
I told you I’m on board with this move! I love it, told Cindy to join me..as for 30 years ago, I was a youngster who idolized my hometown college team… It may have happened before that even but the stories were common down here
Sounds like allot of excuses. And again what does that have to do with race ?
YOU VICK HATERS ARE HILARIOUS! You keep calling him a turnover machine and talking about his career. Why was he at te top of the league in least turnovers in 2010? I guess he just forgot how to play qb the last 2 seasons huh? LMAO YOU VICK HATERS keep me laughing.You make absolutely no sense.
In 2010 yall were talking about how much different he was then than in Atlanta. Mudds stupid blocking scheme is the reason Vick seemed to struggle. The Center is the one that should call protections,but NOOOO they wanted Vick to do it. And the horrible Oline and play calling of Andy reid probably made it worst,
Come on Marcus you are ridiculous… Get a job will ya!
gross organization, gross qbs, gross season ahead. puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke
I only have one word for this signing….championship.
I am sure that Dennis Dixon’s inability to get a starting job has everything to do with fit and nothing to do with ability.
Everybody apologize to realtalk he was the one who talked about right place at the right time ironically using Dennis Dixon and all you guys ridiculed him. Funny how some things work.
I will withhold my apology until Vick and DD actually win something in this system…it’s February
True Cigar true, let them win something first.
No apologies needed…haha…my point still needs to be proved…hold off on the apologies until after the 2013 season…
But watch….just a few days ago, everyone was talking about the Eagles not making the playoffs, going 4-12 again, securing a top 5 pick…….If the Eagles make the playoffs next year, that won’t be enough, there will still be a reason to hate/blame Vick for the shortcomings…
I do worry he will take us to 8-8 and a mediocre pick. It’s why I thought Kelly would go a bit more conventional with Foles, because if he was good nothing lost if he sucks we get a great pick…
Apologize???!! For What? suggesting the Eagles bring in another 3rd STRING QB other than Trent Edwards?
He’s not going to help this team on the field, unless we can use him on our Practice Squad.
Dixon is a long shot to make roster? last year this time the eagles added OT D J Jones and LB Monte Simmons
dixon long shot to make his formers head coach team? long shot to make a team on a system he is familiar with? that simply isn’t logical thinking
I totally disagree.He has a better shot at being the starter than not making the roster.A lot of people on this site just kind of downplay dennis dixon ,but if you check out the filmor know anything about football talent you would see he has talent.I remember a steelers fan on this site remarked that he was sorry to see him leave the steelers because he really liked his talent.The thing with dixon is thats hes a very good runner and throws the ball very well also ,and fits like a glove with chip kelleys system.wip interviewed A writer from an oregon paper, who came off as very inteligent, and he said that if chip kelly brougxt in dennis dixon hed win 10 games with him next year.I think whats going to happen is they will draft a mobile qb that fits the system and let the competition begin between the 3 [vick,dixon and the pick]i think Foles will be traded during the draft.I liked foles, but did not love him and he just does not fit the system at all .It would be terrific to have 3 moblie qbs on the roster and even a 4th [darron jackson ] on the practice squad
haha yes @ Joe…my neighbor is a die hard Steelers fan, and he told me, he wished they still had Dixon, when Big Ben went down earlier this season…But us Philly fans no everything…just how it is.
and thats doing him a favor as a former player…He stinks!!
No Steelers fan cares whether he’s on another team. They don’t wish they had him. He couldn’t beat out Charlie Batch, and Byron Leftwich…it’s called reality………..wake up.
Haha reality is the Eagles signed him GMCliff…something that you said shouldn’t wouldn’t happen because Dixon is not an NFL QB….seems that the coach and FO may think a tad differently…go to sleep, but there won’t be any waking up from this nightmare at least for 2 more seasons
Real, They have been thinking differently from me for some time, only to accomplish the same results…….So what’s that mean? That they are still not able to evaluate talent….Lets wait and see, and by the middle of the season, I won’t hear from you again,…..at least not about this topic. If you like Dixon, then to me you are a weak talent evaluator. Like I said lets just wait, and see brother.
He’s not starting on this team. I don’t care who his former coach is….SAY IT WITH ME 3RD STRING…………
haha 3rd string? thought he was nothing more than a practice squad player with no NFL QB ability…looks like he is moving up your boards from practice squad to 3rd string huh?
I hear you talking Real, but I will have the last word. Your gloating as if we’ve won games with him. He is a practice squad player, but if we are going to play politics, and he is on the team, I’ll place him where his talents dictate…….3rd string. It was dumb to waste time experimenting with him as an impact QB……Dont count on him playing out his contract…..They may have signed him, but he still stinks.
Greatest.
Offseason.
Ever.
What a great signing. We’re now set.
Starting QB is a broken down turnover machine and his backup couldn’t make the 3rd string on 2 other teams.
Onwards and upwards.
And lets not forget the OC and DC from the powerhouse Cleveland Browns.
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2013 Philllllladelphia Eagles!!
I’m giddy.
Wish the season could start tomorrow.
Yep its going to be full scale crazy on this site in 2013. LOL
VV but he is finally in a system that fits him! Giving up on a ‘flacco’ type and going RO… Hop on board…
If you boy Foles is so special…he won’t be going anywhere and will be a contributor for the Eagles moving forward…why so mad?
They changed to RO… He can’t run that. Just cant
No….Foles is the truth, he can perform in any system and team…
So now we seem to be getting it…The system in which a player is placed in, is big deal, huh?
LOL.
Only for Foles. Only for Foles.
11years of the wrong system? So the failures were systems fault and his successes were in spite of the system? Interesting, definition of an excuse!
I know your not counting Vick’s rookie season? in your opinion rookies should not be criticized…I also know your not counting Vick’s wild cat season as an Eagle…or counting his season where he missed the entire year So yes really 7 seasons for Vick…one he led the team to NFC championship (in a system that was the best suited for him of his entire career, a lot of running the rock on that team)
Vick had two seasons where his team was .500 or under. This season and in 2006.
Did you know that Drew Brees had 4 seasons where his teams ended up with a .500 or under record? of course you did, but Brees lost those games because of a porous defense, especially in 2012 right?
Dixon’s hat is on sideways on google page. So he’ll fit right in.
I will take out his rookie year sure … Lots of 8-7, 6-9, Only added up to 16 total once I believe
True Cigar true, let them win something first.
and just the other day Kelley said he did not talk to Dixon in years , i do like the move . WHY all the lies ?
he may not have talked to Dixon directly…maybe he told the GM how he felt about Dixon and thats all he had to do…everything doesn’t have to be interpreted negatively.
All the clutching of pearls is hilarious.
Kelly strikes me as Harbaugh-esque (San Fran). Smith was ass when Harbaugh came aboard. And while it sucks Smith got benched – he was having one helluva season this year and had a great one last year.
Kelly will get the most out of whoever his QB is – but Foles may be the odd man out. Kelly has mad eit clear that he likes youth and speed in his players. Vick has one and not the other. Foles has one and not the other. Dixon has both (28 isn’t super young but young enough) – We will see how this plays out.
Foles to the Jets. From what I’ve read MM was the guy behind drafting him (he hated Vick from most accounts)….so with their Sanchize problems, I could see that as a possible destination.
I have spoken directly at a wedding (before drinks) with a member of the scouting staff, in the war room guy… Foles was ARs choice
hahaha….wow….already moving on to possible destinations, huh? what I don’t get…is this…you compare Foles to Hall of Fame QB’s but yet, you don’t think he can beat out a turnover injury prone broken down QB, as you state it…or a practice squad QB? I don’t get it….what happened to Eagles running a similar O to that of NE?
Yup. He’s gone. That’s clear. Kelly clearly thinks you need a running QB to win.
There’s a lot of evidence to back that up. All the SB winning QBs have wheels.
Just don;t be too upset in a couple years when Foles is playing well for whichever team he gets traded to whilst we watch our 5th QB in 3 years carted off the field trying to run a college option offense against the top 1% of college players who are in the NFL.
what are you talking about? you gave some great endorsements of Kelly….his mathematical analysis and ability to work with the personnel he has….now have a problem with Kelly?
yup
Hiring cleveland brown coaches and hitching his wagon to a POS QB have changed my mind
did you cut and paste this from when you spoke all the time about Kolb?
The Kolb thing was more of an anti-Vick thing than a pro-Kolb thing (and I was right on that). At that time (and still) I’d have taken Heath Shuler over Vick….anyone. Because I knew that all Vick would ever lead to was wasted seasons.
Now we’re about to waste another one.
BTW Foles is better then Kolb was.
So the wasted seasons had nothing to do with Andy Reid and the bad defense of the last two years?
lol ol vinnie at it again trollin wheres your so called source that Marty hated Vick?
It was pretty common knowledge since last season, but to humour you….
According to ESPN.com, the two were not on the best of terms last season when Mornhinweg called plays for the Eagles, and that relationship – along with Vick’s price tag – makes a reunion unlikely.
But Vick and Mornhinweg had issues this past season, sources told ESPN. According to the network, neither the four-time Pro Bowler nor the newly-hired offensive coordinator have any desire to continue their working relationship with the Jets.
In addition, there is a report that says Vick and Mornhinweg’s relationship is not the best after working the past two seasons in Philadelphia.
Unreal not in the RO.. What don’t you get, are you that stupid?
So now this cat starts with the name calling…and is gonna be offended when I lash out….people are hilarious…
simply put, I was talking to Vinnie…and he compares Foles numbers to hall of fame QBs…if kelly felt Foles was hall of fame QB….he would not be going anywhere, that’s my point…
there is so much speculation flying in this room it makes me laugh. Heres what I learned today….
If you love vick you are racist.
If you hate Vick you are racist.
Foles cant beat dixon for the backup job.
Foles cant beat Vick for the starting spot.
Foles is better than both.
FOles is going to Miami.
Foles will go to the Jets because MM is in love with him.
MM hates mike vick.
Foles is 1-5 because of the Oline and team.
the team went 4-12 because of Vick.
lol. Heres the truth….
The best qb will win the job. I hope its Foles but im not holding my breath.
G, you should repost your blog about the D system from a few days ago…. its the best thing written on here in at least a year. Noone seen it because they were bus crying about Vick.
i also learned that we will regret it if Foles does not start.
Just like we did with Kolb….. I mean McNabb… i mean hoying.
That noise you hear is the exploding heads of all the “gasp”, mobile qb haters. lmao!
You guys all make me laugh coach and those two idiots in front office just going on a fishing expedition with vick and dixon and you know what they gonna end up with squat! Vick a washed up 33yr old broken down product one hit away from concussion wont last 3 games and who annoited dixon to take this team to the promisland what the hell is his friggin credentials. regarding foles I think he should start behind a real healthy ol give him the chance to see whats up. We already know vick aint got an ounce left in the tank and dixon should be foles back up!
So much for us drafting a quarterback.. wtf… They must think vick is still fresh as hell
larrwd I still think they draft a QB, Chip Kelly is going to find his guy some how some way. If he has to go through Vick, Foles, Dixon or whomever he drafts he won’t sit back and watch bad QB play. He will find someone to run his system.
There is NO QB worth wasting a draft pick on this year, with all the needs we have! This is a wasted year now anyways! We might as well rebuild the DF this year & concentrate on the Good QB class next year, because it’s apparent, our QB situation is a lost cause this year, & IMHO, will be a train wreck!!!! There’s no doubt in my mind, that Foles will be traded, Vick will be hurt by game 4-5, & Dixon won’t be able to get out of his own way! Good times! In 3 years, after 3 5-6 win seasons, Kelly gets fired!
I remember reading that Kelly was very impressed with Foles mind set and skill sets. I also saw where someone went through the effort of comparing Foles rookie stats to Big Ben, Flacco, matt Ryan and a few others.
They first displayed the numbers with the name and asked to pick which one was Foles. The fact is that (Note I am not placing Foles in these GUYS league) the stat line of Foles compared very well.
I don’t think that they will trade him during the draft, I think thatKelly is going to let the men compete. I believe Kelly has a plan for which ever QB wins. If Foles wins then we may see a heavy intense run offense With McCoy, Brown, Lewis, and Havel….. Havel…you know who I mean LOL. Mix in some D. Johnson runs, and let Foles round out with passes to keep DJax and the WR Core happy.
I don’t know how it will shake out but I just think that Kelly may be looking to have different type of QB skill sets on his team to give in planning options in case his new Oline is better at pass or run or whatever.
Sorry that should say “Displayed without the names of the QB’s
Fellas, I think foles gets traded to andy in kansas city. We get an extra pick to get the kid Manuel.
I am pulling for the best man for the new system period. Side note, Foles is very smart, learns very fast without the need long periods of practice to master the play. Remember he came right in a learned Reid’s complex, long winded plays and playbook very early into camp.
If there is a true competition (there won’t be) Foles will will. PERIOD.
we might be able to get a 2nd rd pick for foles from andy.
NO WAY PDIDDY! That’s virtually a 1st rounder! WTF, has Foles proved, to get back more, than he was drafted as? I think he has some promise & upside, but you ain’t getting the #34 pick for Foles! Their 3rd, or maybe their 4th & 5th, maybe.
Pdiddy, I think he may stay; however if that scenario played out like you said I could live with that. Foles could do well in K.C. with a good Oline and Pass Doctor Reid. LOL
Yeah it’s a shame tho Mono, I wanted Foles to be the man this year. But anybody with eyes can see where this is going.
Here’s the problem with the RO offence that will be installed.
It caught the NFL by suprise this year…success with Wsh, SF and Sea. Remember. New to the NFL, no tape.
Co-ordinators will spend the entire offseason dissecting it. ANd I know what’s going to happen.
Punish the QB every time he runs or options to the RB. At that poing he’s a blocker, and the DL and LB are going to be instructed to punish him.
And that’s the fatal flaw. While guys like Eli and Brady etc are taking their 3 sacks and 3 or 4 more hits a game…..Read option QBs will be taking those same 3 sacks + same 3/4 after throw hits + hits on every option run play + hits every time they run the ball.
Its 5 to 10 more hits on the QB every single game.
Week 11 rolls around…week 12….geez this is a long season…..shoulder hurts…knee sore….ribs sore….elbow sore…..play deteriorates.
It can work for a nice 12 game season when you’rerolling with 19-21 yr olds….but 16 games in the NFL? + playoffs….17 games? 18….
These read option QBs will be taking 2-3 seasons worth of hits every years…..and that’s why it won;t work long term.
Give me the guy who gets rid of that ball and takes his 6 hits a game and gets out.
But no. Not for the Birds. Intoxicated by the latest and greatest thing.
Mike Vick, Dennis DIxon and some other scrambler.
We’re going to need at least 3 QBs on the roster each year.
Foles obviously going to be traded. I have a feeling, as we’re on our 5th QB by 2015, we’ll regret the move,
Yup…only a 53 man roster… Gonna be ugly
This is where i agree with you… i know.. i know… crazy right? As ive said all along… my issue was with andy not vick. Andy did this. Andy wanted this.. i think the last 5 years was more about andy. I wanted a d hc. But…. this is what we got. Im just praying hes got more up his sleeve.
In Chip Kellys offense the Qb doesnt run the ball alot.This thing about the NFL catching up to the offense is a bunch of crap.You stop the offense by winning at the line of scrimmage!!Like anything else.If the Cardinals would ran the read option It wouldnt have been as succesful.If the Eagles oline becomes great and doesnt miss many assignments then the offense is going to work.The reason Oregon struggled against Stanford this year wasnt beacause they figured out the offense,its beacuse the defensive line dominated upfront.
I think Dixon will win the starting job over Vick. He’s younger and bigger, and he don’t put the ball on the ground.
I bet you he doesn’t Irish……They may have signed Dixon, but he still stinks.
Not happening Irish!
Vinnie you may have a point except for the fact that the NFL bends over backward to protect QBs. If what you say happens they will find a way to discourage defensive players from T’ing off on them.
If you got to smartfootball.com they have a link there to a bunch of tutorials of Chip Kellys offense which are awesome and shows why theyve been so devestating.Im excited to see how it translates in the NFL
No but there has to be a threat that he can/will exploit an end/olb that bites on the dive…. It essentially eliminates the loaded box… Makes one defender a statue… They have to be a threat… Not like a superstar but a threat
Is there a found defensive player in Kansas City that “the big red mustache” is willing to give up for Foles?
Maybe the Eagles can get their best linebacker (since Andy thinks that position is not important) and a 4th rounder for Foles and Casey(can’t play)Matthews.
Of course,you take the defenses advantage away because it actually 11 on 11.
It is a hybrid of the old triple option from OU etc… You have to have that qb threat but in nfl… Long season good luck with that
Koy Detmer > mike vick
Ty detmer > mike vick
Andre ware > mike vick
Dennis Dixon >. Mike Vick
Bubby brister >. Mike vick
Rick mirer > vick
Mike Phipps > mike
Vick
Tim tebow = mike Vick
Ryan leaf > mike Vick….
Frank22, I don’t like Vick as a QB either, but comparing him to those stiffs, is absolutely asinine, & borderline insane!!!!
Haha I am busting chops. I’m just damn sick of having this convo. Ya know what? It’s not going away any time soon and I have to live with it.
godgotvick, you Sir, have officially been elected, as the King of the GCobb imbeciles! AND that’s saying something! Bruh, go get a clue, with your delusions, excuses & idiocy! DEAR LORD!!!!
@Dag
That Foles is not durable is one of most stupid observations made on here. Hand injuries are not symptomatic of durability problems. And in fact hand injuries are probably the most common injury for QB’s… most hand injuries occur when their arms are going forward and make severe impact against a player’s helmet/face mask. Other times the hand (or shoulder) is injured is when trying to break a fall when tackled. Countless QB’s in the NFL from Farve to Elway to McNabb to Brady have had hand injuries they played with, but not when a finger/thumb is broken on throwing hand.
You can “hate” Foles all you want; your entitled, but don’t pervert truth to push your bias.
Ok ok Iggles hes durable. I was wrong. He missed no games due to injury.
As I said when they restructured Vicks contract, they ain’t paying $7M with incentives, $3.5M guaranteed, to a BU QB, to compete for the starting QB! HE’S STARTING, whether we like it, or not!!!! Dixon is now the BU! All the verbal diarrhea that Kelly spewed, is total crap! I don’t know who is a bigger septic system, Kelly, or Lurie! Both are F^#@ING liars, hypocrites, that spew nothing but contradictions & BS! Neither have any credibility, in my book! I believe ZERO, that comes out of their mouths!
Look for a package deal with the Chiefs with Foles & Herremans
Moving to KC for a 2nd and 5th Round Picks in return
It would be dumb to trade Foles, and rely on Vick, Dixon, and a draft pick that won’t be any good anyway……If they do they will regret it. Another 4 years looking for a QB.
And do assume because that draft class is better next year is going to fix it, that would be dumb too.
Cliff…. looks like you haven’t bought into the RO yet! lol– i hold out some hope that they will modify and give foles a shot in a hurry up spread… but if they are going to a true RO he is toast.
i just think bringing kelly in to run a real modified version of his offense is not what the geniuses were thinking… i think they are committed to the fad!
cigar, there was an article on here a while back that I didn’t think much of at the time but it may ring true. Kelly changed his mind about coaching in the NFL when he saw the success that SF and Seattle had running modified versions of his O. With the moves he’s making I think there is some truth to that article now. Let me go on record I don’t like the read option in the NFL eventually defenses will get free shots on your QB and you don’t want that. Kap and Newton are bigger then some linebackers but most QB’s aren’t.
Kelly changed his mind when Oregon didn’t bump his salary up — Jeff Lurie doubled his Oregon salary
i too am on record.. RO can’t work long term… too much money invested in QB’s… RG3 and Kap will demand 15 mill a year after rookie contract. everytime the ball gets tucked into the rb’s belly the QB will get hit… whether he keeps or hands off. its not sustainable on a 53 man roster of 16 games with no east bumcrap states on the schedule… playoffs start 1 week after the last game, not 6 weeks like a bowl game.
i never saw a QB run and not get touched as much as Kap.. it was amazing.. but right now 32 DC’s are watching that tape saying the same thing i just said…difference is they are watching it and designing how to kill him!
I agree big. But where’s our Colin cappernick? Where’s our russel Wilson?
Ciggy, this version of Chip Kelly’s Offense will look a lot like New England’s, per Jeremy Maclin, and that’s part of my reasoning with Foles. Most think this will be a total Read Option System, which I doubt, because that’s probably what most teams expect Kelly to run, but it has to be different.
So NO, I haven’t bought into the Read Option. I think he will run it when the situation deems it necessary. That would be smart coaching because, now the defense is on it’s heels; keeping the defense off balance is smart, so you want to have as many options, and schemes, in your arsenal as possible.
I think Foles talent balances more with a New England style Offense than Dixon.
cliff i said exactly that on this board the minute they signed kelly! however the signing of vick makes me believe you and i are wrong!
Not really because Kelly spoke highly of Vicks skill level. – I’m not implying that Vick is going to lead us to a Superbowl, but I do think he is adequate if he can protect the ball, and not throw interceptions – But, he thinks he can turn him into a mobile, cheap version of Tom Brady.
Look like New England?
Because I can guarantee you Bill Bellicheck wouldn’t have touched Mike Vick or Dennis Dixon with a 10 foot pole.
You cannot sign Vick and dixon and then attempt to run what NE is running. Cannot.
Those signings = us watching QBs get carted off the field for the next 3 years.
Relax Vinnie,
He thinks he can get that out of him, thats not exactly what I think Brother. But that is the style of Offense that he will run, or some version of it mixed with his creative creations.
It doesn’t matter what I think GMCliff, it’s what Chip Kelly thinks and obviously he feels that Foles Skill Set is not a fit for his System or they wouldn’t have kept Vick and then go out and sign Dixon on top of this..
It will be Vick as Starter, Dixon as back-up and 3rd Stringer will be some young kid they pick up in the Draft.. Both Foles/Edwards will be shipped out and as I have stated before, I like Foles’s upside as a NFL Starting QB more than then what Vick/Dixon bring to the table or any of the QB’s in this 2013 Draft .. but it appears Chip Kelly is going with his type of Players for his System whether we like it or not as Fans…
I wouldn’t etch that in stone Paul; Foles being traded. I know how you guy are perceiving it, but you know me, I buck trends, and see things differently despite the popular opinions. I say he stays, and we will see when it’s all said, and done.
We’ll see how it pans out GMCliff.. If AR makes a legitimate Offer to Roseman for Foles, then I think Foles is on the next plane to Kansas City.. in the meantime, can you find us a damn QB for the Eagles in your Drafting/Free-Agency Search.. There is not a whole lot out there..
That will be our loss Paul……
I am looking at Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville, as the next project, but you will need a good veteran to play in front of him for a year, before we see his true talent, like Vick, Jay Cutler, or Joe Webb
Right you are Paulman. This has more to do with the system not who the better QB is. None of us know for sure how Chip Kelly will run the offensive but it sure looks like he’s going to continue using the read option. I was hoping the new coach would go back to more basic offensive and not try to be the smartest guy in the room. Hopefully Kelly approach will work and he is the smartest guy in the room
maybe so eagles and yes that is a lot of money to turn down but I’m telling you he’s going to go full out Oregon offense if he can.
it appears so, God please save Vinnie’s blood pressure and heart on Sunday afternoons from popping his head off his shoulders right into the TV set
LOL
Things will be worse with Kelly than with Reid, Brian billick’ s off stated mantra will come true, “be careful for your wish to be rid of Reid “, we are in for some bad times, and to think how different things would have been had they hired the right man , Gus Bradley, the defense, the offense the culture, everything would be different, and it all falls on the owner, his pussy ass style, his pussy ass coach and football team