• April 23, 2024

The Eagles Need A Different Style Of Quarterback

MichaelVick3What do our eyes see now?  Have they become victim to a mirage of images from the past; a 2010 collection of highlight reel throws and elusive runs.  That season did end in an underthrown ball in the end-zone to exit the playoffs; but the Eagles saw enough to cut a check for 100 million dollars.  How about the stomach; can it muster the sense of nausea with every hit Vick takes on the football field?  What has Michael Vick meant to Philadelphia?  At any point did he really make us believe that he could lead us to our first Super Bowl?  “One,” not the t-shirt label which told fans that the Eagles were united as a team.  “One,” the number of playoff wins Vick has credited to his NFL resume; and the number of full season played in the NFL.

When Vick was signed, when he was given not only a second shot in the NFL but a rebirth to humanity, it was Andy Reid who paved the way for it to happen.  Lurie acknowledged that he had to be convinced to allow such a heavily scrutinized move; as a “dog owner” and a “dog lover” it was against every bit of his being to connect himself to such a sensitive topic.  Years have subsided since the media ran storylines of the controversial decision to bring Vick to Philadelphia.  Lurie’s checks have been cashed by Michael and Andy Reid is no longer the coach.  The talent on the football field has rapidly declined and a new coach is at the helm.   So why exactly is Vick still on the roster?

Realism of a once was, the 2010 Michael Vick is not going to once again re-appear.  We have exhausted ourselves as patient bystanders over the past two seasons, watching what no longer “is.”  The interceptions and fumbles have increased.  Vick claims one of these issues is now obsolete; he has been shown how to secure the football.   Does this have any meaning left; do we really sacrifice the energy to this notion?

The injuries manifest and any hit Michael endures you watch and hold your breath to see if he will get off the field on his own power. The elite speed has lost a gear, maybe two.   Vick continues to show the inability to make intelligent adjustment and practical decisions when staring down at the defensive formations in front of him.  He grew up relying on his speed to get past or bypass.  Without that elite speed, he has had to re-define himself, a process we have been overly patient with, and that patience has grown thin.

Is it that we still believe or we fear what is true?  Vick was unable to get it done with Reid’s playbook but now all is possible with Kelly calling the shots?  I have to admit a new coach awakens the reserved sense of any hope that anything is possible.  It allows us to re-visit what it was like as a fan in 2010, proud and confident that our offense could score touchdowns and not settle for field-goals or struggle in the red-zone.

Sure Kelly is a new coach with a different vision but can that really transform an “athlete” who has made a career playing quarterback?  Exactly who is at fault for holding on to the ball too long and missing second and third read options once the ball is snapped?  Foles showed us last season when Vick took his usual trip to the I.R., that he could manage the offense, adjust to the speed of the NFL and keep the Eagles in games.  We saw glimpses of what our future could be.  We also recognized that Foles lacked the speed, arm strength and athleticism that we have accustomed ourselves to with Cunningham, McNabb and Vick.

The running quarterback has been more prevalent with the Philadelphia Eagles over the last twenty seasons than any other team in the NFL.  The next era of quarterback will be new, and that can be scary.  They will have to perform with a different skill set, demonstrate accuracy, intelligence and come up clutch.  The mystique that Vick still possesses, that many think works best with what Chip Kelly wants to do with his offense, surpasses what we already know about Vick.  It clouds our judgement with turning over the playbook to Foles or even Matt Barkley.  When Vick gets hurt because you really can’t teach that as a skill, only Dixon gives any impression that the run option exists from the quarterback position.  Scouts and media have sighted a “bigger” Michael Vick this year.  Let’s run with this update and expect that some added muscle also equates to stronger bones.

At some point in 2013, we essentially will re-start a season in which we are re-starting an era.   Even if Vick minimizes the turnovers and has mastered an easier to “understand” playbook, it won’t change how hard players hit him or the barrage of defensive looks he must decipher.  Much will be the same, little will be different.  Things will appear new with Kelly, but the old habits of Vick will outweigh all.  There will be those moments; and possibly weeks that much of what I have expressed backfires on me.  It will however be a season where Vick starts, but is unable to stay healthy throughout.  This means another quarterback will get substantial playing time.  The one year contract we gave to Vick will be a step in the wrong direction.  It will be much of the same of old, slowing down introduction process of an Eagles era where a running style of quarterback does not define how we are defined.

Jeff Kolsky

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Turk
Turk
May 19, 2013 9:47 pm

Vick will not be the starter game one because everything Chip Kelly has said so far has come true and when he said that the QB position will be a open competition I believe him and Vick will be outplayed for the Starting QB position by

Turk
Turk
May 19, 2013 9:48 pm

Vick will not be the starter game one because everything Chip Kelly has said so far has come true and when he said that the QB position will be a open competition I believe him and Vick will be outplayed for the Starting QB position by Foles or Barkley.

paulman
paulman
May 19, 2013 10:16 pm

I also believe tha it was a big mistake/step-back by Kelly in his first Year
Of Coaching the Eagles, to even think about bringing back Vick on a 1 year Deal, even if the Salary was the league minimum, so much what had been wrong about this Franchise the last 2 Seasons are directly attributed to Vick’s
Denial about becoming a quality, dependable, consustent and winning QB
In the NFL..
I truly believe that he will not make the final Roster due to his inability to make the quick and proper reads that this Kelly/Shurner quasi Read Option/West Coast Styke will demand.. If Vick is not the clear cut winner of the QB by the first 2 Weeks of Pre-Season, he will be released old possibly traded if another Team gas injuries/disappointments with their own QB’s
The multi TE sets and formations are going to require an accurate and decisive
QB making the proper reads and getting the ball out of his hands,
Vick has been unable to do this consistently over his his 10 year Career
If Dixon plays well and can handle the read-option packages effectively,
Then Vick is out.. I see Foles as Starter, Didon the back-up and Barkkey
3rd String with Kinnie on the Practice Squad for the 2013 Eagles QB Position

gmcliff
gmcliff
May 20, 2013 12:39 am
Reply to  paulman

Do you want to put a wager on that Paul. Not only will he be on the team, he will be the front runner to be the starter by Preseason.

I’ll say something else as well. Matt Barkley, is just a name to me. Skillswise, I don’t see what all the hype is all about him becoming the future. I see him as another failed USC QB.

I know some will debate because he was taken in the 4th Round, that if he doesn’t cut it in the NFL, then they still got value at that point in the draft, because he would have been a 1st Round Pick last year. Thats Bull$%%^!!!

He was overrated last year; He is not better than Foles or Vick. Some people on here will never change, they cling to guys like this, and assume because they were not satisfied with what we already have at that position, that THEIR GUY, is going to change our fortunes. It is obvious to me that he isn’t an NFL QB. I think he knows it as well – He will ride this thing until it’s over – Thats why he’s already talking about his faith, and his ministry.

And before some bring up Russell Wilson, let me say this, If Russell Wilson has an off year – bad year whatever…Will you still feel the same way? And if Barkley is a bust as a pro, what would that say for all those who want him to start this year, and predict he will be the future for the Eagles?

Vick will be fine, just like DeSean Jackson was when he was suppose to be gone as well. Laughable…………

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 20, 2013 1:18 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff, I don’t think Barkley can play either, something else to watch for, this kid hasn’t been on the bench his entire life, I want to see how that affects him as well. We can continue to play bash the QB all off season and into the season and nothing will change. Mike Vick will continue to be the front runner until Chip Kelly decides otherwise. One think people miss that you continue to say is take your personal hate for the person out of the equation and you might see things differently.

gmcliff
gmcliff
May 20, 2013 2:15 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Biggie if Vick isn’t the QB, I’m fine with that, but his outcome shouldn’t be determined by our personal feelings for him. We don’t do that with any other player,

Brandon Graham had 2 more sacks than his best year as an Eagle, and some will give you the impression he belonged in the Pro Bowl. But I don’t see guys killing him, his injury has been two years removed, and although he played ok towards the end of the year, he wasn’t anything special. I want more from him because of what was given up to get him, and because of what we whiffed on in drafting him.

Lets talk about that instead of Vick for once…….

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 20, 2013 7:25 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Damn I almost forgot they moved up to draft him. Thanks gmcliff…..LOL

mhenski
mhenski
May 19, 2013 10:21 pm

vick did beat mccoy in a foot race. lmfao

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 19, 2013 11:51 pm

Wow another genius who can read defenses from the comfort of his living room. LOL my opinion of Foles has changed I would love to see what he can do with a real offensive line. All he has to do is beat out a guy who according to everyone can’t read defenses is injury prone and is a turnover machine.

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
May 20, 2013 7:42 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Then Foles should have no problem at all right ?

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 20, 2013 10:06 am
Reply to  Gotta Luv It

That’s what I’m saying Gotta, Foles should win the job hands down so why all the negative nonsense about Vick like Dcar said every two days are so they post something about the QB’s to get everyone riled up.

DixieFan
DixieFan
May 20, 2013 8:59 am

GM, I agree with Paulman on this point….unless Vick shows he can make quick reads, he’s toast!

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 9:17 am

Another lightning rod article, about the failed experiment?!? What a surprise! Only on GCobb! Where’s vinnie, Songs, Realtalk & jake? 3..2…1…..

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 20, 2013 10:30 am
Reply to  DCar

Hey DCar something else to make your blood boil the Eagles just signed another TE. HAHAHAHAHA

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 12:19 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Big, I know. WTF, do they need another TE for? If we didn’t think Avant & Harbor, to the DF was a big enough, head scratching joke, I can’t wait to see what ways, the Chipper, will try to outsmart the world? I have a bad feeling in my gut, that this Chip Kelly era, is going to be a colossal failure! I hope I’m wrong, but he’s trying too hard, to be cutesy, cutesy, out of the box! It’s mind boggling, that this organization, thinks it can outsmart the rest of the NFL, & reinvent the game! They will never learn, because Limp wrist Lurie will never learn, because his ego won’t allow him too! Let’s hope he can coach & make decisions on the fly, because this rushing of getting plays in on offense, will burn out the DF, by week 5, if they have as many 3 & outs as I suspect they will. I will say it now, as I did when he got hired, I don’t like it, he’s a gimmick college coach, with ZERO NFL experience, at all! This entire off-season, has been a disaster, no matter what the lemmings say. There is no conceivable reason, to bringing back Vick! The coaching staff blows! Almost all the FA signings, are mediocre at best! The draft was a complete missed opportunity, to upgrade the DF! And the jokes keepa comin! I would like to be more optimistic, but until the QB’s get upgraded & playmakers get added to the DF, this team is no better than last year.

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 10:31 am

This has to be the worst topic on here. It is the most unintelligent debate that takes place in Philly sports. It is totally racially charged and emotional and mostly becomes divided across racial lines. And it is disappointing from both sides. The white side just doesn’t like him as a person and wants a white QB, any white QB. And the black side supports Vick blindly and overlooks all of his flaws because they defend him as a victim of biggotry rather than analyzing him as a QB. Too emotional. I’m sick of it. If Vick can play well, I support him as my team’s QB. If he sucks than he needs to go and Chip needs to put in someone better. Thats all that needs to be said.

Turk
Turk
May 20, 2013 10:36 am

Once again Vick being here for 1 season knowing there’s no way he’s here next season if he starts your throwing away this season because your back at square one again next season who’s the starting QB. Foles or Barkley should be the only choice at QB

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 10:38 am

Three things in favor of Vick: 1) he has a great record when the O line plays well. 2) he has done well with short quick throws in a run first offense several times in his career. 3) Andy/Marty were horrible offensive coaches who did not help McNabb or Vick. Sometimes they would come up with good game plans like 2011 against Dallas on Sunday night or 2012 against the Ravens. But they always reverted to their passaholic tendencies and relapsed into pass heavy, big play based drives. Like two twelve year olds throwing the streak to the outside right WR on Madden over and over and over again. Chip has to be better than that and I believe he will be. If Vick is the starter, he won’t be 2010 because that was a mirage against poor defensive teams that was very brief. But he will be better than 2011/2012.

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 10:45 am

I really like these stories about Harbor and Avant playing on defense. It shows “outside the box” thinking that was so absent during Reid’s tenure. I cannot stress enough Reid’s total lack of imagination. This experimentation reminds me of things the Pats or Steelers would do. And I think they are actually pretty successful franchises.

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 12:36 pm
Reply to  jbird

jbird, & you are 1 of the brainless lemmings, I was referring to above! WTF, reason is there, for taking your teams veteran slot receiver, & converting him to DF, which he has never played. Same for Harbor. It means Kelly doesn’t like them, & they’re on their way out. Just f^#@ing get rid of them already! How is this “out of the box thinking, that was absent from Reid era? How does it differ? It’s the same STUPID, egotistical, flawed thinking, that square peg in round hole Reid had? To name a few beauties- Castillo, from O-line coach, to D-coordinator; Watkins, a Fireman, LT/LG, to starting RT; Graham, from undersized DE, to severely undersized DT his rookie year; Herremans, all over the place; Gocong from a 20 sack DE, to SAM LB; Mattews, Jordan, Bradley, etc, etc. I can go on & on! How does it differ, from Reid’s idiotic, flawed thinking? Use your brain man!

Turk
Turk
May 20, 2013 10:46 am

jbird you didn’t answer my question Knowing won’t be here next season why throw away this season to win maybe a few more games and have the same problem next season not knowing who’s your starting QB?

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 10:50 am

I don’t know what everyone else thinks at this point. But a popular debate has always been “who’s to blame for the Eagles not bringing one home??” I will weigh in and say in hindsight it was a combination of Reid and Banner. Reid wasn’t a good enough coach (he’s a Schottenheimer that can only take you so far) and Banner took too long to spend money. We had a great opportunity between 2001-2003 and he kept pinching pennies when it was time to be aggressive. By 2004, he had waited too long and the window was closing as we obviously began to rebuild in 2006.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
May 20, 2013 10:57 am

I don’t know how good or bad Barkley will be as a pro QB. I have come to the conclusion that no one can really judge QB talent very well. I think if a guy has bad mechanics or can’t set and throw quickly, you might as well cut that guy. But if a guy has the physical ability to make all the throws, you have to put him in some NFL games before you can truly know if he can play.

If I thought that Chip Kelly was so totally inapt at talent evaluation that he would pick a QB that has zero chance of success, then I would be very disappointed that he is our coach. I think some people already are disappointed with Kelly, but I’ll give him a little time.

Frank22
Frank22
May 20, 2013 11:31 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish- Thank god someone uses their head.

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 11:01 am

Turk….it is a complicated issue. First, Chip could not start off with no veteran QBs on the roster so for that reason he had to keep Vick. He is still the only proven talent at the position so he has to stay for 2013. Second, Chip thinks he can win with Vick if Vick is coachable because he has a certain skill set and has had success in a run first approach. You really have to blame half of Vick’s issues on Andy/Marty who were an absolutely disastrous pairing that brought this franchise down for the last six years. Now that still leaves half on Vick. So he should only be half as bad as he was the last two years which would make him pretty decent. If Foles is all that, he will show it in preseason play. Foles has a great head, but I want to see more zip on his passes and a better looking physique and long passes that don’t float. Barkley is totally unknown and Dixon is not an NFL QB. You have to keep Vick until you see what you have or don’t have in Foles/Barkley. The Eagles aren’t going anywhere until the D/STs play much better anyway because they have been a stone cold embarrassment for years now. QB is actually an over-hyped debate.

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 11:09 am

Has anyone else noticed the change in Lurie’s approach to ownership the last few years. Early on, he was most interested in marketing a product and recovering his investment. He wanted to win but had to do it on a budget. That approach kept him from winning a championship. After that approach made him rich enough to stop worrying so much about profits, he opened up the check book and now appears to be going all in financially.

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 12:47 pm
Reply to  jbird

He opened his checkbook? Really?? That explains the $23M of unspent cap, from last year, & the $25M, we still have now, huh? He spent 1 time, on the dream team, his entire ownership! He’s content with being the salary cap champ, every year. Stugots, has changed! He’s still the egotistical, $$$$ grubber, he’s always been! WTF reality are you living in, & WTF are you smoking?!?

seansyh
seansyh
May 20, 2013 11:14 am

I see either Vick or Barkley as the starter this year, not Foles. Yes, Foles did have a solid completion percentage last season, but his athleticism does not fit the mold of the type of players Chip is bringing in. Say what you want about “schemes” and how “Chip uses personnel.” I think Foles is the odd man out because he’s not athletic, and he’s not a draft pick from the Chip Kelly regime. If Vick can show enough in camp that he can make quicker reads, he will be the starter. Sorry Paulman and all you other Vick haters, but the reason why Vick took such a beating is because he was throwing the ball 40 times a game!!! Under Chip Kelly the Eagles will be running the ball way more and he will be hit less. You think the Lane Johnson pick was to protect Vick? Yeah right! A rookie OL shouldn’t be expected to be anything more than a serviceable option, not some super star. Lane Johnson’s real value is down field blocking, much like Jason Peters’. Remember Peters’ last healthy season? By the end of it McCoy was seen as a top 3 RB in the league. So if Vick can show he can make the neccesary throws, he will be the starter because of the game planning nightmare he could be with his legs on option and play action plays. If not, Barkley will be the guy because 1) Chip drafted him for his intelligence, leadership, and poise 2) We saw last year a rookie quarterback can completely turn a team around (Russ Wilson, RG III, Luck). So don’t give me any of this Foles will be the starter nonsense. I would be surprised if he wasn’t traded before the season. Chips just waiting for the right team to make a move on. Then again if Vick can’t show up, he’ll be cut and Foles will stay just in case Barkley gets hurt. But I don’t see that happening.

gmcliff
gmcliff
May 20, 2013 12:38 pm
Reply to  seansyh

You’re a clueless idiot, and I say that in the most respectful way………………

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 12:54 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Why be respectful? If he’s an idiot, he’s an idiot. He’s an idiot! Vick blows! Barkley will be nothing more than a BU & Foles is still a major ???? We don’t have our future franchise QB. That comes next year. Vick sucking, has nothing to do with hatred for him. HE SUCKS! THAT IS ALL!

jbird
jbird
May 20, 2013 3:01 pm
Reply to  DCar

Hey Genius! Who is this franchise QB? You think we are going to be anywhere near Teddy Bridgewater’s neighborhood???? We are not going to be 3-13, so who is the QB?? Taj Boyd?? Another “mobile” “athletic” QB who can run the read option. NO THANKS!!!!!! That is not a franchise QB!! I want a regular pocket passer that knows how to play the game the traditional way that has always won championships. In the pocket. How many SBs have been won so far with read option? Who won the SB last year, the gawky pocket passer or the read option guy?? I forget.

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 4:51 pm
Reply to  jbird

WTF, are you talking about, you retard? Where & when did I EVER claim to have wanting a mobile QB! What drugs are you taking? Everyone of your posts above, are rantings of an imbecile! You talk about wanting a pocket passer, but earlier showed support for Vick. You talk about Chip thinking outside the box, that Reid didn’t, when both have made square peg, in round hole moves. You said Luries approached has changed, when we still have $25M under the cap. Everything YOU’VE stated, are factually incorrect, ill-advised & rantings of an imbecilic buffoon! WTF are you talking about? Put the aerosol cans down, the huffing is twisting your mind & reality. BTW, I’m no genius, I just have a properly functioning brain, that I actually use.

jbird
jbird
May 21, 2013 9:16 am
Reply to  DCar

I see you are being a total dick and not playing nice. First on Lurie, he is spending more compared to the days when we were goi ng after ND Kalu and Shawn Barber when we should have been signing stars and you can’t spend up to the cap you fucking moron! Especially when you are coming off 4-12. Oh yeah let’s just buy a new team. We have to save that money for the finishing pieces in 2-3 years. Second, I defended the decision to keep Vick. I did not give Vick some ringing endorsement. You can get to the playoffs with Vick but you can’t win a title with him. But you can’t start out with Foles/Edwards because you didn’t know you were going to be able to draft Barkley at the time. And there is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. Guys like Cowher and Belichick have had huge success by doing so. You are comparing apples to oranges bringing up Reid. Reid is an unimaginative idiot who always follows what other people do rather than coming up with stuff himself. And he is an arogant asshole who thinks he can make an average O line coach into a D coordinator. Nothing wong with some experimenting. Reid should have kept Lito and moved Sheldon to safety because he was an average corner that would have made a better safety. And B Dawk was too old to be in centerfield as was obvious in the NFCC against the Cards. He should have been moved to SS where he could smash people in the box and blitz and be disruptive at the line of scrimmage. But Andy couldn’t even see these things that many other sports people suggested besides myself. And I was criticizing your remark about getting a QB next year because I think this team is going to win anywhere from 6-10 games, so who are we getting in the 12-22 range in the first round?? Taj Boyd or some such sort. Another athletic QB who is not a polished pocket passer. Another southern raised black QB not properly coached to play the position from the time he was 14 but instead trained to use his athleticism to win games for his coaches. He will not be great NFL QB. He will be just OK. So we are not getting a franchise QB that late in the draft. And we would have to sell the whole farm to move up and get one of the top two guys.

DCar
DCar
May 21, 2013 12:11 pm
Reply to  jbird

Blah, blah, blah, back & forth, flip flop, flip flop. Everyone 1 of your posts are bi-polar, nonsensical, gibberish, rantings, of an imbecile. You make ZERO sense, make no valid, factual points, & play both sides of the coin, on every attempted point! Again, stop taking whatever pharmaceuticals you are on, put the pipe & aerosol cans down, & seek help. Because you clearly, have no grasp on reality, or fact.

DCar
DCar
May 21, 2013 12:17 pm
Reply to  jbird

Case & point, you thinking we win ANYWHERE near 10 games, is ludicrous, delusional & borderline mental. On top of that, your f^#@ing racial comments about Boyd, make you an ignorant racist too. Just quit, before you bury yourself any further.

seansyh
seansyh
May 20, 2013 11:26 am

Plus Barkley is great with the media. Something former Eagles quarterbacks were not so great at doing. Not that it says anything about his performance on the field, but at least we know he’s not going to cower in fear if the criticism starts pouring in.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
May 20, 2013 11:34 am

Barkely is good with the media. Selling out your coach as predictable is good with the media? Not that I am defending Kiffin, because he is terrible, He has never had to face the kind of scrutiny that he would after a loss in Philly. WTH are you talking about?

There is zero chance that he is the starter to begin the season. USC consistently has the top WRs in the NCAA and that is why these QBs look so good. That and playing in an offensive friendly PAC 12. Kelly is not going to start his first season with a rookie 4th round pick.

gmcliff
gmcliff
May 20, 2013 12:39 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Bugs – Thank god someone uses their head.

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

gm, you gotta realize, alot of guys on here, ate alot of paint chips & Elmers paste as kids, & don’t know any better! F^#@tards!

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
May 20, 2013 1:38 pm
Reply to  DCar

How many are laughing reading this post from this guy ?

jakedog
jakedog
May 20, 2013 3:25 pm
Reply to  DCar

Elmer’s paste, now your talking, a good whiff of that took you to a good place

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 4:56 pm
Reply to  jakedog

jake, does Elmers paste even exist anymore? Damn I’m getting old. LMMFBO!!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
May 20, 2013 10:23 pm
Reply to  DCar

hahahhaahaaaaaa!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
May 20, 2013 10:23 pm
Reply to  DCar

hahhhahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 20, 2013 2:11 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Thank you Bugsy, that also makes me nervous about the lack of attention by Kelly to the defense, but damn Foles played in the Pack 12 as well. DCar we need a damn QB pronto!!!!

DCar
DCar
May 20, 2013 4:54 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I hear ya Big! Looks like another year of ????

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
May 20, 2013 3:13 pm

He did. And I agree with you. There is no long term solution on the roster right now in my opinion.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
May 21, 2013 2:37 am

just say you want a white quarterback. Even though many of them come and go and never wins Superbowl.

Look at the Bills..have they not won a Superbowl in 20 years because of a black QB?

This conversation really have nothing to do with Vick because McNabb was also scrutinized. The greatest QB in Eagle’s history would have been beloved and embraced if only he was White.

Losing can be readily accepted if we’re losing with a white QB and the reasons for losing can be any component of the team but him.

Eagles need to wake up and get a white quarterback.

DCar
DCar
May 21, 2013 2:50 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Says you, Sir ignorance! We’ve had nothing but Black starting QB’s, for the last 25+ years, & that hasn’t stopped anybody from rooting for them, you dope! If you warrant criticism, you get it! Nobody gives a f^#@ about the color of the QB, just that he can win, or not. Only you, & the rest of the race gang, care about that $#!T! Keep staying classy racist! Your colors are shining brightly!

DCar
DCar
May 21, 2013 2:59 am
Reply to  DCar

BTW, Genius, when is the last good White QB, we had to root for, Jaworski? He got ripped just as bad in the media & by the fans, as much as the current QB’s. We haven’t had a good QB, since McNabb’s 1st half of his career, so you point is ignorant, & irrelevant!

Xevious
Xevious
May 21, 2013 6:58 am
Reply to  DCar

Dcar again with the most True posting ever. Color is irrelevant everywhere except for Gcobb.com. Jaworski got killed for the entire last 3 seasons he was here. Same for 5…We are tough on our Superstars ask the greatest 3rd baseman ever Micheal Jack Schmidt…We boo’d a hall of famer for years..the greatest ever at his position…but that was cause he was black….oh wait.

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 21, 2013 8:12 am
Reply to  Xevious

Hey Xevious, I posted on another thread it will be just our luck this year that every QB that plays will suck, they’ll be in line to draft Bridgewater or Boyd and we’ll have another round of Black QB, White QB. The Philadelphia Story. LOL

Xevious
Xevious
May 21, 2013 9:58 am
Reply to  Biglion821

I want Manziel lol…but same issue…lol. I think we are being punished for something. Not only with the Black and White thing but the lack of Championships with so much damn talent. Our superstars turn out to Be head cases Lindros, Iverson Mcnabb……..People leave here to go win Championships…Larry Brown, John Harbaugh, Carte and Richards…..We are Cursed Big, Cursed.

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 21, 2013 10:16 am
Reply to  Xevious

Hate to say it’s so Xevious but it’s so. The ultimate knife in the back will be when Kansas City will be playing in the Super
Bowl next year. HAhahaha.

paulman
paulman
May 21, 2013 12:53 pm
Reply to  Xevious

WC Fields and Former Gov Rendell were right about Philadelphia

DCar
DCar
May 22, 2013 1:26 am
Reply to  Xevious

Can we draft a Black/ Italian/ Cherokee QB, so I have someone to root for! Dear God! What a mess people are! It’s a shame, really!

paulman
paulman
May 21, 2013 10:04 am
Reply to  DCar

Jeff Garcia should get his Jersey # Retired by the Eagles..
Remember he had those 2 Good Games back a Few Years ago when filling in for the injured McNabb.. Plus he has a Good-Looking Wife .

jakedog
jakedog
May 21, 2013 9:04 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs, what’s your response to Bernard Hopkins, probably the most critical of mcnabb?

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 21, 2013 9:16 am
Reply to  jakedog

Sorry Jake I need to jump in here. Bernard Hopkins sounded like an utter fool when he was talking about McNabb. I still don’t understand where he was coming from and really don’t want to know. He just came off sounding like he took one too many shots to the head.

mhenski
mhenski
May 21, 2013 9:55 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Hopkins admittedly hated McNabb because Hopkins attended an Eagles practice and McNabb didnt go over and talk to him and most of the other players did. He felt dissed by McNabb and that was that…

its the corniest most feminine beef ever

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
May 21, 2013 9:39 am
Reply to  jakedog

Read the Willie Lynch Letter

Your answer is in it

Biglion821
Biglion821
May 21, 2013 9:47 am
Reply to  Gotta Luv It

Yea that’s deep Gotta and still true to this very day!!!

paulman
paulman
May 21, 2013 10:32 am
Reply to  Biglion821

As far as Hopkins or others take on McNabb..
There is a % of African-Americans that feel that they are cast aside or left behind by some of the successful,educated and popular Black folks.. Some of the Inner-City Folks who struggle and live in tough conditions, have no Father figures, fear for their safety resent the “Suburbian Black Families” that have made it out of the “City Life” and have a stable Family Unit, stable Employment & Educational and maybe eve have “white neighbors and friends” that they hang out with and do School,Cookout, & Church Activites with..
Some Folks in the “CIty” feel that a Black Man is not really a Black Man unless he’s struggled in life and has similar experiences..
I am not so sure the Black City Community totally accepted McNabb for they felt he acted too “white” where as they have always loved and supported Mike Vick, who grew in the rough streets of the Tidewater area of VA Beach, had his possee, got in trouble,etc,etc
I am not saying any of this is Good,Bad or Indifferent, just the way I percieve the inner-workings and relationships of not only Black People, but to be honest, of all People.. You have Poor, Uneducated White Inner-City Folks or Rural White People out in the Country called “Red-Necks” or “Trailer-Trash” that have these same feelings of resenment toward successful people ot hae the feeling of “entitlement” and this also occurs with the Hispanic Community as well, so this is not anything new or specific to any particular race..
It all starts with a Stable Family Unit, Education which leads to Opporutnities which can lead to more Economic Freedoms and the mobility to move around or get out of some the difficult,violent “City-Life” areas that are hard to make it out for a Young Family with kids who only come to learn that difficult way of life .. This is a major issue in this Country that all the Big Cities face every day that not many people seem to want to talk about..
Not to go off on a tangent, but how do many “Black Folk’s” feel the Job that President Obama has done.. Has he done enough for Safety, Education and Employment Opportunites for the Black Community.. I have read many articles from people that have been rather dissapointed in his Leadership in these areas..
I voted for Obama both Elections and to be totally honest, have been disappointed in his overall lack of leadership and his too cool,sometimes cavalier approach to Governing.. He has missed a great opportunity and it’s a shame, He’s a good man with a good heart and great Father, but as a Leader, I feel he has lacked the backbone to get the important things done and to really set the Agenda and Conversation and Tone in that ceasepool, that is Washington DC..
Anyway’s, time to put my Soapbox away …

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
May 21, 2013 10:48 am
Reply to  paulman

I think its because he married a Canadian.

paulman
paulman
May 21, 2013 12:55 pm

I never thought of that Vinnie, Good Point, You can disregard my Posting above.. Thank You..