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Were Michael Vick’s “some fans are just ignorant” Comments Correct?

MichaelVick15I felt I needed to comment on the dustup involving Eagles quarterback Michael Vick which occurred last week.  He was on Mike Missanelli’s 97.5 The FAN radio show, when he was confronted with the criticism that he holds onto the football too long and takes too long to read the defensive coverage before passing the ball to the receiver.  He was offended.

“I’m really tempted right now to just say no comment to that because like I said a second ago, you don’t last 12 years in the NFL not being able to read the defense,” Vick said. “Those people who are talking and saying that are just ignorant, and they know nothing about football. Unless they turn on the film and watch my game and see what goes on, then they’ll replace those comments with the right comments.”

Clearly Vick is open to criticism of his ability to read the defense quick enough to get rid of the ball before the rush gets there and make a good decision about which receiver is open.  Vick knows the coverages, but that’s just a third of the job and probably the easiest.  He’s got to be able to read the defense as he drops, then make the proper decision of where to go with the football, before getting rid of the ball and throwing the ball accurately to the target.

Let me say it again.  Three tasks for the quarterback: 1. read the defense, 2. make correct decision about who is open and 2. deliver the football accurately.

He did show he could do it during a stretch in 2010, but that was a long time ago, in football terms. Quality NFL quarterbacks are able to complete these tasks consistently.

I don’t know too many players who are not very sensitive about criticism of their play and that includes yours truly, but you keep some things to yourself, when commenting to the public.  They are the customers.  You give your customers more room than others because they are your customers, as long as they’re being respectful in their criticism.

Vick has to realize that the Eagles fans are his customers and he shouldn’t call them ignorant because they do have good reason to be critical of his ability to read the defense, make a good decision and deliver the football accurately.  I understand how he feels, but he would admit that he comes into this season with something to prove.

In fairness, we also know that there were quite a few times last year when nobody was open before the pass rush was on Vick, or the pass rush was on him so quick that he didn’t have time to even look downfield, but I think if you were to get him in a private setting and ask him if he could improve his reading of the defenses, decision-making of where to go with the football and accuracy in passing, he would say yes he could improve.

I thought much of Vick’s problems last year were the mistakes made by head coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg.  They continued to run a downfield and deep passing game, despite three-fifths of the offensive line, going down to injury.  Without a good offensive line, you can’t run a deep passing game.  They got Vick killed last year while waiting for wide receivers to get open deep.  Nobody can every accuse him of not having the toughness to take a hit, then get up and play fearlessly on the next snap. But there is plenty of room for improvement.

Reid and Mornhinweg also completely changed the pass blocking and blitz pickup rules with the hiring of Howard Mudd.  Vick had learned the previous system and knew it like the back of his hand, but he had to now learn Mudd’s system.  In addition to learning the new system, he also was given more responsibility in making the pass blocking calls.

Previously the burden of recognizing the blitzes and making the pass blocking calls to pick them up was shared by the Eagles quarterback and center.  Last year it was all put on the back of Vick.  It was another bad decision by Reid, who didn’t do much right a year ago.  Still Vick has plenty of room for improvement in these areas.

I’ve been learning more and more about Chip Kelly’s system and it’s much more quarterback friendly, which could help Vick.  I’ll be interested to see how he does in the blitz pick up area in comparison to Nick Foles and Matt Barkley.  They’ll need to be clearly be better than Vick in that area to win the job because they’re no where near as capable as he is in running the read option.

Dennis Dixon is the other quarterback, who has a chance to make this team.  I think they have reduced his reps at practice because he’s much more comfortable than the other quarterbacks, so they need the reps much more than he does.  Other than Vick, he’s the only other quarterback, who can run the read option.  I giggle when Foles and Barkley run it because they will get destroyed if they try to run with the football very often.

I was also amazed to hear Vick talk about solving his fumbling problem.  The veteran quarterback says Kelly solved his fumbling problem by teaching him how to properly carry the football.  Here’s what he told Missanelli.

“The other day, I broke out in the pocket, and the first thing Chip told me was to tuck the football,” Vick said. “So I showed him how I was running with it, and he looked at it and he knocked the ball right out of my hands. And he was like, ‘Hold it like this.’ And what he told me felt comfortable. I had a tighter grip on the football. That should secure that problem as long as I work on it. Like I said, you’re always a work in progress, and even when you think you know it all, sometimes you don’t. The people who feel like they know everything, they don’t.”

We’ll have to wait and see if Kelly’s advise proves to be the answer to all of Vick’s fumbling problems.  I think it might help, but whatever Vick is taught, the key is implementing it on the  field.

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75 Comments for “Were Michael Vick’s “some fans are just ignorant” Comments Correct?”

  1. It’s his last chance. Were going to find out within the next couple of months if this system is really as “Simple” as everyone says it is. If a 12 year vet loses out to the likes of a Matt B and Nick Foles then his career is finished. He will most likely end up as a backup at most, or in Canada.

    That being said, I do not believe that will be the case. Not that Nick or Matt are not the future of this franchise, but I personally believe Chip Kelly will work wonders with Vick. With a 50-50 balanced offense, healthy online, great play calling and game management, our offense will be back up to top 3 averaging 450 yards a game, and 28 points a game.. Another thing that’s gonna contribute to that is ACTUALLY SCORING IN THE DAMN REDZONE. Our downfall is going to be on the defensive side of the ball, which I do not believe will be a top 12 this season..

  2. G this is a trick question right? Just look at some of the posters on your site and you can answer this question yourself. Not only are some fans ignorant some members of the press are equally ignorant. Now should he have responded the way he did? Of course not, after 12 years he should know better how to answer these questions. My argument with people for years regarding any QB who people say can’t read defenses is simply this, it’s so easy for writers and fans alike to watch film or replays after the fact and complain or say oh man he missed that guy when they have never been in the line of fire in their lives. Guys like Trent Dilfer piss me off even more because he played the game was below average but will sit in the studio and pick guys off like he is a first ballot HOFamer.

  3. vinnietheevictor

    You’d think after 10 years the guy would “get it”. But he doesn’t. Throws fans, teammates, coaches under the bus…blames everyone from the refs, to the oline, to the coaches for his troubles, and then there is suprise that people don’t believe the garbage he spews?

    Lets break down the lines:

    “So I showed him how I was running with it, and he looked at it and he knocked the ball right out of my hands. And he was like, ‘Hold it like this.’ And what he told me felt comfortable. I had a tighter grip on the football. That should secure that problem as long as I work on it.”

    Translation. I am a 14 year old High school Freshman. No one ever told me this before. Chip Kelly is good. Everyone else was bad. Oh, and by the way, despite being 4th all time % fumbler in NFL history, I never once sought to seek out another coach to solve this problem. It wasn’t my problem, it was theirs. I waited till Kelly told me during my 12 season.

    “Those people who are talking and saying that are just ignorant, and they know nothing about football.”

    Translation: Eagles Fans are idiots who know nothing about football. Unless they like me….then its all good!

    “Unless they turn on the film and watch my game and see what goes on, then they’ll replace those comments with the right comments.”

    Translation: Eagles fans have not “seen what goes on”. They’re blind. One day they will have the “right comments” and the only “right comments” are those that are the same as mine.

    Note: What’s really funny is how he himself says that his critics don’t watch the film (he apparently does) and then he himself later says all the Eagles did was throw the ball downfield a lot when in fact 70% of his passes were less than 10 yards.

    Fabulous way to endear yourself to the fanbase – call them stupid…why not flip them the bird while he’s at it….oh wait…..already did…..

    “We had a lot of deeper throws last year, which required more time,” Vick said.

    Translation: It wasn’t my fault (familiar theme) – it was the play calling. All I did was throw deep. (note: 70% of his throws were under 10 yards notwithstanding)

    “It’s just a big difference. Not to say there was anything wrong with the west coast system, I loved it. I spent seven years in it, and it was cool.”

    Translation: Not to say there was anything wrong with the offense, even though I just said there was something wrong with the offense. But by my saying I didn’t say anything was wrong, the second after I said something was wrong clearly means I didn’t say anything was wrong. You dig?

    “But I think the change of pace for me at this point in my career is good and the game is a lot easier now.”

    Translation: But this year will be huge. You’ll see! He’s just trying to sell the same bill of goods he tried to sell after Reeves, then after Mora, and now after Reid. Why isn’t anyone buying??

    When this guy gets cut in August my emotion will not be one of jubilation, or happiness, just relief.

  4. Answer the question Vinnie? Are some fans ignorant? We know how he should have answered the question, but was he wrong? You just cannot answer any question when it comes to Vick without being biased. We all get it you hate him as a QB. Answer the question.

    • vinnietheevictor

      Well ya. Anyone who looks at Vick’s body of work over the past decade and thinks he’s the guy to lead the Eagles into the future has to be pretty ignorant I’d figure.

      • Still cannot answer one simple question. Sad my friend just sad.

        • vinnietheevictor

          You asked “Are some fans ignorant?”

          I responed “Well ya. Anyone who looks at Vick’s body of work over the past decade and thinks he’s the guy to lead the Eagles into the future has to be pretty ignorant I’d figure.”

          You said: “Stll cannot answer one simple question”

          Even though I answered your question. You asked if some fans are ignorant, and I said yes.

          The problem you have is that the people I think are ignorant, are not the same people you do. (or Vick does for that matter)

          I guess I understand why you hold a torch for the guy. The two of you think alike. And you speak alike.

          Question is answered, you state the question cannot be answered.

          Vick says it was all the playcalling fault, then states he’s not saying anything bad about the playcalling.

          Do you have the same publicist.

          • Sorry sir, I was too busy reading your usual insult to realize you actually answered the question. Maybe my question should have been can you answer the question without throwing a barb or two in there. Is that good enough for you?

            • See your so predictable its funny. Your dislike for that man cannot allow you to think any other way. Its not healthy Vinnie.

            • Big, he insulted him how? Was he wrong? I think not.

  5. You should know first hand he is right “G” . Do you read any post like the one from this coward Vinnie ? I mean you have Denny “Plagiarist” Basens ripping this guy every single day to stir up controversy on your site. You know what Philly fans are not ignorant, BUT THOSE SOUTH JERSEY FANS ARE THE WORST!!!!!!

    • vinnietheevictor

      Are you saying you are from South Jersey? I myself am from East Ottawa.

      Wait, I should say “coward” from east Ottawa….though don’t know why pointing out the doublespeak that flows from Vick’s chops is somehow “cowardly”.

      Perhaps I should visit the wizard and let him have a look at that.

    • “Coward”, says the anonymous troll, sending out insults, hiding behind a computer! CLASSIC!!!!

      • How the the Hell is Vinnie a Coward? He says exactly what he’s thinking. I for one don’t know how he deals with the Stupidity he receives back for the most part. I don’t think he needs me to defend him, but for someone to say he is a coward is just plain ignorant and stupid.

        • Xevious, learn how to read & comprehend, before trying to correct someone! I was talking to the dickhead troll, above him. He called Vinnie a coward, I had vinnie’s back on this 1.

          • Dcar Take Your own Damn advice since I was also responding to the post above yours. Ive never had an issue with anything you have posted till now.

  6. Vick didn’t throw the fans under the bus. He threw “fans” like YOU under the bus. Because you sit there and type and act like you have ANY idea WTF you’re talking about and you don’t. Not even close.

  7. Will Mike Vick ever just learn to shut up and play ball.. He has a very bad habit of continually adding fuel to the fire wigh his ill-timed comments.. I am tired of this washed-up,excuse-laden former “Star of the NFL”, What has he ever won at any level to be so arrogant,aloof and just plain old stupid-ass.. Ans this Guy is the supposed “leader” of my Favorite Football Team.. I disdain the fact that he’s even still with the Eagles after the last 2 Seasons of pure shit by the entire Organization .. Kelly is going to look back 2-3 Year from now and say the biggest mistake I made in Year 1, was keeping this Clown Vick instead of moving forward.. In fact, Chip Kelly may already be saying this to himself…

  8. Whether or not he should have answered the question or not…eh…I think clearly he was just tired of hearing the same questions and criticisms. For the most part, since being with the Eagles, he’s been cool not to say anything wrong.

    Last year he could have said a lot, but he didn’t. And when he got around to saying something, it was the end of the season and he still didn’t name any names so there was no throwing people under the bus.

    Truthfully folk just get tired of bullshit. Football players are human too – they aren’t going to say the right thing 100% of the time.

    • vinnietheevictor

      ‘Cept its all part of the exact same issue.

      Coached how to hold the ball properly – doesn’t hold ball properly.
      Coached how to make reads – doesn’t make reads
      Coached how to slide – doesn’t slide
      Coached how to drop back properly – constantly drops at different speeds, depths
      Coached (by his agents and publicists) how to deliver an interview – can’t conduct an interview.

      The stupid interview comments are all part of the same package….a guy who is either unwilling, or unable to take coaching/advice and move forward. (without fear of a return to incarceration and loss of millions). Without that he listens to no one.

      BTW – he says the right thing about 12% of the time.

      • Do you ever tire of repeating yourself?

        I know…if you scream it lout enough you’re hoping it will come true…lol…

        • He cannot help it TS, he thinks because we don’t share his dislike there is something wrong with us. Crazy

          • vinnietheevictor

            Incorrect.

            I don’t think there’s anything wrong with you because you like Vick.

            I think there’s something wrong with you because you think he’s a competent NFL QB.

            • Well considering he’s been a QB in the NFL 10+ years I guess I’m not the only one who thinks he’s competent.

              • vinnietheevictor

                Rex Grossman has started 54 games in the NFL. Obviously there are people who think he’s competent too.

                They are also wrong.

          • Big, I share his dislike, it might not be the same dislike, but dislike nonetheless! I think he sucks as a QB! That is all. Vinnie takes it to another level.

            • LOL that’s why we end up going back and forth his obsession is off the charts. After 12 seasons we know what Mike Vick is and Vinnie misses the point that if the Eagles release him tomorrow it will not darken my day one bit. I am a Eagles fan, after the last couple of years I question my sanity when it comes to that. This is on Chip and his merry men right now. All I know is whoever takes the shotgun snap this year I’ll be hoping beyond hope that we catch lightning in a bottle.

              • Right now, we don’t have a choice, unless we change loyalties to another team, because of the QB’s skin color, like our resident, racist, conspiracy theorist does. Not me. I may bury my teams when warranted, but they are my teams regardless. I’m no front running, bandwagon jumper.

              • What he is is a shitty QB. Why does he deserve another year starting? Rex Grossman made a superbowl and he’s a 3rd stringer. I don’t wanna hear how talented vick is either cause he’s clueless on the field. God I don’t get how he garners chance after chance from his fans and he hasn’t earned them.

  9. The Silencer10

    He’s the ignorant motherf*cker that brutally kills dogs. He’s lucky we gave him one chance. He’s and excuse machine. I’m so tired of his bitch ass it’s not funny!

  10. How is this a surprise to anybody?LOL same guy that gave the finger to fans, and screwed over an entire NFL organization/fans by going to prison. Vick is clearly stupid. His actions simply show it on and off the football field. There is no debating it. I’m not offended by anything stupid people say, its actually kind of hilarious. It just shows the sensitive man can’t handle it, the fans obviously get to him.

    Broncos Rahim Moore fucked up bad on the field in the biggest game of the year, got killed for it by the fans and this is what he said today…
    “I’ve had some bad comments, but I keep those to myself because it’s part of the territory,” Moore said. “Just from random people, anybody, you know? So, but I hear them, I just keep walking. Or I just keep them in the back of my head.”
    Moore said he doesn’t blame fans who are angry with him.
    “The fans, that’s what they’re supposed to do, that’s why they’re there for us, they pay all their money, their hard-earned money and they want to see greatness,” he said. “So, I don’t fault them at all. But this year, we’re going to do all we can to put some smiles on their faces.”
    This guy is far from stupid and knows how to handle it. He is not blaming anybody else, making excuses, talking out of his ass by making ridiculous statements he simply cant back up etc…just wish we had more guys like that and that we had rid ourself of the entire shit stain Reid left behind.

    • vinnietheevictor

      amen

      • Why don’t you guys stop pretending that there is anything Vick can say that you won’t be upset with? There’s nothing he can do or say to please you.

        Like I said, Vick lost nothing by going right at people who insult him. I’ve read the comments by some on here and you don’t criticize, you insult. Nobody is going to eat that all day long.

        And the truth is you don’t know a tenth of what you think you know. Just another keyboard analyst who doesn’t watch any film or can explain exactly what reads you think Vick messed up.

        I mean Foles goes 1-5 and looks only mediocre doing it and you think he deserves the key to the franchise. And your bogus excuses about him being a rookie don’t fly. RG3 was a rookie and wiped the floor with him twice. Just look at RG3′s vast potential. Do you think he’s going to regress to Foles’s level? Mike Vick has talent on that level, Foles can only hope maybe RG3 is still gimpy from his knee injury.

        Vick is still here because he’s actually had success in this league, while Foles has done jack. I’ve got full confidence Vick is going to win the job, and secretly you do to. Which is why there’s so much bellyaching about him being here. You want no parts of a competition.

        • ” I’ve got full confidence Vick is going to win the job, and secretly you do to. Which is why there’s so much bellyaching about him being here. You want no parts of a competition.”

          Those who REALLY beleive Foles is going to win the QB competition aren’t concerned ’bout Vick at all. In their minds their guy has it in the back do to the fact he’s going up against a broke down, inaccurate, non-defense reading QB.

          Those who are protesting the loudest about how horrible Vick is are secretly DEATHLY afraid dude will outplay Foles (and Barkley) and they will be stuck with him for at least another year.

          Vick fans – well they think Foles and Barkly are Godsend ’cause no way those 4th round picks are overt taking their guy.

          Notice you don’t here too much bellyaching from Vick fans ’bout Foles. They don’t even think dude is worth complaining about ’cause they know there guy has it.

          If you have faith in your guy then there is no need to worry ’bout the other guy.

          • We’ll try this again minus the typs:

            ” I’ve got full confidence Vick is going to win the job, and secretly you do to. Which is why there’s so much bellyaching about him being here. You want no parts of a competition.”

            Those who REALLY beleive Foles is going to win the QB competition aren’t concerned ’bout Vick at all. In their minds their guy has it in the bag. To them Vick is a broke down, inaccurate, non-defense reading QB, so there guy has nothing to worry about.

            Those who are protesting the loudest about how horrible Vick is are secretly DEATHLY afraid dude will out play Foles (and Barkley) and they will be stuck with him for at least another year.

            Vick fans – well they think Foles and Barkly are a Godsend ’cause no way those 4th round picks are over taking their guy.

            Notice you don’t here too much bellyaching from Vick fans ’bout Foles. They don’t even think dude is worth complaining about ’cause they know their guy has it.

            If you have faith in your guy then there is no need to worry ’bout the other guy.

        • vinnietheevictor

          I dunno, going to be hard to tap that “vast potential” from the rehab room. “cause that’s where running QBs spend most of their time.

          You clowns are flavor of the month guys. Everything new is best.

          I’ve seen the next fad 8000x, and every time it ends with a pocket passer standing there, dishing to his skill players and hoisting a trophy.

          Vick will be released before week 1 btw.

  11. Rahim Moore. LOL defensive secondary coach killer.

    • Every player makes a bad play. You just hope they learn from it. He also showed class, smarts, and maturity about the situation. Obviously, you look for low life’s, stupidity, and immaturity in the players you want on this team.

      • Nope I just thought it was funny that he made one bad play and the next day Denver fired the secondary coach, so all that analysis and the other nonsense you typed is just that. Nonsense I see you have no problems with jumping to conclusions.

        • And since you brought up that play and how to deal with the press maybe his defensive coordinator should take lessons from him since he basically told the fans of Denver today he’s done apologizing they need to get over it. I wonder if he’ll get any backlash for that.

  12. Your name must be Marcus. I gave you a players direct response on fan criticism that I (and any actual real Eagles Fan) would be completely pleased with. Call me a keyboard analyst all you want, like I said things stupid people say does not bother me at all. I rmbr sitting in the end zone during the wild card playoff game, and I clearly saw the extra blitzer on the right edge (i think Bishop) before the snap. It was so damn obvious, everyone in the stands saw it. First offensive play of the game. yet our QB did not see it, and got crushed. Easy read. I rmbr the same thing in the Cards game right before halftime. The blitzer (i think Rhodes) on the left was so damn obvious. Snap, hit, fumble, TD. Another easy read. Those were a common occurrence. Pretty sad and pathetic for a 10 year vet to not see.
    On Foles, whether you like him or not, he put some pretty impressive stats for a rookie. He is number 2 all time on many rookie stat lists, behind RG3. But again, I never said I wanted him to start. I just want young players to start, everywhere, where the old trash was left behind.

    Competition? Foles outplayed Vick last year in preseason, yet Vick still started. So that shows you how much you know about the NFL. It all comes down to money the owner is giving out 99% of the time. Not the BS coaches say to the media.

    Vick has the same talent level as RG3? Really man? You insult your own intelligence by making ridiculous comments like that. I feel bad to even make fun of how crazy you sound.

  13. This is like Mark Sanchez telling Jets fans they are ignorant, for simply telling him the truth. It would sound so pathetic that it would actually be hilarious, a fan cant even feel insulted by it. Its pure comedy.

  14. Truth hurts, doesn’t it Mikey? Just STFU & go away fool! You suck, & you’re an injury prone, TO machine, that can’t read a DF, that talks too much $#!T! Deal with the reality BRUH, & STFU!

    • DCar honestly. Who the hell are you to tell someone to STFU? LOL. You mustbe mistaking Vick as if your talking to your wife or girlfriend because I guarantee you talk that STFU shit out in the street you will get punched right in your mouth. I guess everyone should check with you to decide what is appropriate to say and what isn’t. You have all this computer muscles and mouth why don’t you go to camp and tell Vick yourself to STFU. Take Vinny with you. Let me know how that works out..

      • Hey dag, I’m me. & I’ll say WTF I want, & there ain’t been 1 person, been able to shut my mouth up yet. I’ll bring it to the street, you gonna shut it for me big boy! I think not, so you STFU too, punk @$$! Why so serious anyway, because I hurt your feelings, because I took a shot at your hero, the false God Vicky boy! F^#@ YOU & his bitch, phony @$$! If you don’t like what I say, too f^#@ing bad! Don’t read it! Don’t act like a keyboard gangster, unless you are ready to do something about it, tough guy! I’ll say it to your face, his face, & anybody else I choose! NOW, I’m being a tough guy, before I was stating my disgust with his constant verbal diarrhea! Again, if you don’t like it, nor the truth, TOO F^#@ING BAD!

        • BTW, I never talk to my Wife like that, nor any other Women, except little Internet gangster bitches like you! So keep her name out of your mouth!

          • You must think you are talking to some punk from Suburbia, or something?!? I grew up in the Philly hoods, bitch, so don’t bring that $#!T to me! I’ve been around the block quite a few times. Try being in the Military & be an Officer of the law, for 10 years, then tell me how tough you are, punk! You don’t know me, or nothing about me, so keep your wannabe, know it all talk, in your basement, & stay there!

  15. Vick likes to talk about what he is capable of. If only he could back this up in his play. Whether some fans are ignorant or not is irrelevant. Vick’s abilities or lack thereof are more relevant.

  16. People that have never played QB at any level (or even grade-school to middle school QBs) attempting to tell a long tenured professional QB that he doesn’t know how to read a defense isn’t respectful. The comments aren’t respectful in any sense simply because 99.9% of people that make those comments are only regurgitating what some ignorant sports radio journalist said or what some ignorant sports journalist wrote and it’s disrespectful enough to cover up whatever personal grudge they actually have with the guy.

    The reason I know this is because the same idiots made the same comments about Donovan McNabb and Randall Cunningham while they were piling up thousands upon thousands of yards against all of the defenses in the NFL…is it a coincidence? I think not.

    As soon as a few bad games happen or after a loss most people thought should have been a win late into the night on one of those sports talk radio show, “I don’t think he can read the defense” and it speaks to every one that had a grudge with the guy from the start so of course it catches fire, becomes a catch all phrase for some and of course it has no basis in reality.

    Certainly you can make the case that Vick holds the ball too long waiting for somebody to get open that’s not going to get open and hasn’t been trained to effectively work back to the QB when the play breaks down, or he is too stubborn to throw the ball away versus trying to squeeze it into a ridiculously small window which virtually insures it will be intercepted, or that he he has the misguided belief that if he delivers a ball late his receiver will fight for the reception and get it when the receivers aren’t big enough for that, or that he’s too prideful to think that the ball could possibly get chopped out of his outstretched arm dangling it around. Those things are generally 10 talking points away from what a lot people want to talk about, which is the fictional stuff that belittles him and questions his overall intelligence and it says a lot more about the people making the comments and their personal insecurities…pathetic.

    One thing about Mark Sanchez…I agree with Joe Namath. Lack of talent, lack of focus on football and more on sensationalism from the coaching staff and poor coaching is ultimately responsible for the inconsistency of play from him as far as I can see. If he gets an opportunity to start under Morningweg (even though I’m not a fan of his) it will bring a measure of normalcy back to the coaching staff and the play calling which won’t leave Sanchez snake bitten by his own organization again.

  17. To answer the question posed in the headline of this article – yes i think vicks statement that some fans are ignorant is correct. I also think that there are some players on the eagles who wear number 7 and play quarterback are ignorant also.

  18. I would like to move on from this subject. It’s becoming very boring with only a few people saying the same thing over and over again. Talk is cheap. Vick needs to play better and stay healthy if he wants to stay. It’s really that simple and it’s only May.

  19. Was reported that Coach Kelly has sent QB Mike Vick down to Bishop Eagan HIgh School to learn more “Ball Security” from BE HC Bill McIntyre, who has refused to comment on the Subject .. Details at 1100pm

  20. “Certainly you can make the case that Vick holds the ball too long waiting for somebody to get open that’s not going to get open and hasn’t been trained to effectively work back to the QB when the play breaks down, or he is too stubborn to throw the ball away versus trying to squeeze it into a ridiculously small window which virtually insures it will be intercepted, or that he he has the misguided belief that if he delivers a ball late his receiver will fight for the reception and get it when the receivers aren’t big enough for that, or that he’s too prideful to think that the ball could possibly get chopped out of his outstretched arm dangling it around.”

    Now that’s a nuanced critique of M. Vick. All of which is true.

    Also I find it funny that there’s been no article posted here on how wide receivers weren’t allowed to change their routes…and how that affects QB play. But no – that would require actual research, facts, nuanced thinking and critique – something most “sports” blogs don’t do these days.

    • tsjohnson, if given the chance would you toss vicks salad?

      • No.

        But considering how much you’re worried ’bout a man who who isn’t responsible for your life in any way…I think you would.

  21. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Mark Sanchez went 6-of-11 with three interceptions in Jets OTAs Wednesday.
    One pass was picked off by UDFA DT Damon “Big Snacks” Harrison. Geno Smith wasn’t much better, going 4-of-10 with a pick of his own. Coach Rex Ryan called Sanchez’s display “unacceptable.” The Jets’ QB competition is going to get worse before it gets better.

  22. All of us are ignorant to a certain degree aren’t we? i don’t have a problem with that word because I am ignorant just like everybody else to certain things Mike is right a lot of people did say he can’t read defenses That’s being ignorant and I agree with them. Chip Kelly is a very smart man He has a lot of football sense to me That’s what I hear all of the time ,And he opted to keep Michael Vick after looking at film .He is going to be our starting quarterback and You ignorant clowns need to get over it

  23. Here is why I would say that about him. Over the last couple of years, it doesn’t seem like he knows where the blitz is coming from or where his progressions a lot of the time. Now that could be blamed on bad offensive line play, poor play calling, whatever. That is just how I see it. If that is ignorant fine.

  24. I got money – I got juice
    I got to the party and I got loose
    I got rhythm – I got rhymes
    I got the girlies with the Def behinds
    I got I’ll – I got busted
    I got dust and I got dusted
    I got gold – I got funky
    I got the new dance – they call the Brass Monkey
    Because I’m hard hittin’ – always biten – cool as hell
    I got trees on my mirror so my car won’t smell
    Sittin’ around the house – gettin’ high and watchin’ tube
    Eating Colonel’s chicken – drinkin’ Heineken brew
    I’m a gangster, I’m a prankster – I’m the king of the Ave.
    I’m hated, confrontated for the juice that I have
    All the fly ladies are making a fuss
    But I can’t pay attention – ’cause I’m on that dust

  25. You can understand why Vick would take offense to fans questioning his ability to read defenses.But that’s what happens when fans see the QB sacked every single time the opposing team blitzes.

    If you blitz Drew Brees he will kill you because he finds the open receiver. Brees’s QB rating goes up when teams blitz him. Same thing with Brady and Manning. Why can’t Vick find the open receiver when teams send a safety or corner?

    If Vick can read defenses and pick up a blitz, it’s hard to tell from watching him play…lol

  26. vinnietheevictor

    Eagles QB coach Bill Lazor (you may have read this)

    On Vick:
    “great maturity” and “great perspective”

    “Now he approaches work every single day like someone who wants to be better, wants to maximize what he’s doing,” Lazor said. “He’s really been a lot of fun to be around.”

    “He’s seen defenses. He’s seen coverages. He’s been blitzed,” Lazor said. “He’s made good decisions. He’s made bad decisions. He’s had them work out and not work out. . . . Now he brings all that experience. He’s an extremely willing learner.”

    Well – I for one and glad that “now” approaches work professionally, and its good to see he’s “fun” to be around.

    On Foles:
    “poise”

    “He can evaluate what’s happening. He can make decisions, and he can make it look like it’s really easy for him,” Lazor said. “He has a calmness about how he plays. But I know he’s taking all this information in and computing it and making the throw. And I think it’s really a testament to mentally how on top of the game he is and the kind of athlete he is.”

    “I think he really can play the game,” Lazor said. “He knows how to put it together.”

    On Barkley:
    “You’re talking about extremely high football intelligence, great work ethic,” Lazor said. “Some of the off-the-field skills, what he had to deal with, as far as the ups and downs. . . . Really, it’s a guy that became the face of the franchise out there.”

    Muy new call – Vick released before training camp. (And this because its how you treat veterans. Teams release them with time to catch on with another team….not after pre-season games.)

    Foles, Bark, Dixon into the season.

    • vinnie on my first read you said “Foles, Bark, Dixon’…. and i had to admit i thought you were using bark as a synonym for Vick..lol
      as for Lazor…its all coaches speak- they never tell the truth nor sjhould they.

      • vinnietheevictor

        That’s a pretty good one actually – “bark” for Vick….too bad that’s not what I intended….would like to have been able to take credit.

        I agree that its all coaches speak…and thet all they do is praise, but if the only words of praise are: “now” and “fun” and “some good decisions – some bad decisions” compared to “make good decisions” “poise” “makes it look easy” “mentally on top of the game”….

        well, then I think the writing is on the wall

  27. I agree Vinnie, but I do think it may come 2 weeks into Camp
    If Dixon performs well and it seems that he has so far from all reports and knows the System pretty well playing under Kelly at Oregon, the less chance the Eagles keep Vick.. Why should they ??
    Dixon will eventually be the Read-Option QB and have a few PLays to run per Game, maybe red-zone, a couple of series a Game..
    This Offense will be a West-Coast/Stanford Style Offense, and not Patriots as many have claimed it will be.. Kelly will commit to a more physical rushing attack than the Partiots ever have and be very similar to what the Stanford Cardinal Offense has run over the last few Seasons, 2 Backs (McCoy/Casey) with Double TE Sets (Celek/Ertz) and some smash-mouth Football.. Fans who are expecting a lot of Read-Option, and QB Sweeps, and Pitch-outs are going to be very disappointed.. This Eagle Offense will look very similar to what Coach Shaw/Harbaugh have run at Stanford the last few years that Coach Kelly has faced and struggled to stop the while Coaching Oregon, Kelly understands the value of Physical Football at the NFL Level..he could get by at the College Level with Speed, Speed,Speed Fast Up-Tempo Offense with Superior Athletes to run opponents into the ground, but realizes that this isn’t going to be the “Base” Offense to be successful at the NFL Level which is why he Hired Pat Shurmur as his OC

    • vinnietheevictor

      well, whenever, it will be earlier rather than later if its going to happen. They’ll give him time to latch on somewhere else…they won’t screw him over by waiting till the last minute. …if he’s still here near the end of camp, then he’ll be here thru the season…..

      But I really think you’ll see something happen after the June passing camps…perhaps even after these OTAs.

  28. Paulman and Vinnie still grasping for straws. Don’t worry fellas it will.happen one day.

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