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What Can The Eagles Learn From Seattle?

Marshawn LynchThe NFL is an offensive league.  It’s a passing league, supported by changes in rules allowing quarterbacks to stand upright and receivers to run free.  Tell the Seattle Seahawks that, and they would have respectfully laughed and professionally accepted the challenge; developing a plan of execution like the one we saw last evening.

So what did I take away from the dismantling of the Denver Broncos from Super Bowl 48?  First, the Eagles are far away from being in the class of the last team standing.  Second, we can be the Seahawks in regards to some of their values and how they built the team we saw last night.

The Seahawks displayed a defensive masterpiece last night.  Additionally they showed that an efficient offense with smart and interchangeable receiving threats is enough to get the job done.  Special teams were also on display, and a return game with the threat to take it to the house is a “must need” for an NFL “elite” team.

Their quarterback can make plays with his legs or extend a play long enough to allow his receivers to get open.  While our projected 2014 quarterback is not that style of player, some of what Wilson did is the characteristics that Kelly wants from his quarterback.  Wilson made smart decisions to avoid taking sacks, not throwing the interception, execute third down plays and spread the football.

Offense was not and will not be the first or the first thing we think about with the Seahawks.  It’s their defense, and what makes that defense so great is how it was built through the draft and intelligent free agent signings.

Pete Carroll joined the Seahawks in 2010.  After back to back 7-9 seasons, the Seahawks were a legit 11-5 squad last season, and in his 4th tenured year in Seattle, a world champion.  The Seahawks drafted incredibly well, not only in the early rounds, but with the mid and late rounds where scouting and coaching is critical to receive any contribution during the regular and postseason.

The majority of their secondary and linebackers (including last night’s MVP) is the product of mid round selections by the Seahawks.  Sherman (4th), Chancellor (5th), Thurmond (4th), Smith (7th) Wright (4th).  What does their scouting and coaching department see in players?  Size, physical play and intelligence appear to be the beginning ingredients to what they crave.

Their edge rushers in Avril and Bennett were signed in free agency signed to one year contracts.  Like Kelly, their “big bodies” up front on the defensive line are rotated and can play different positions.  It’s a mix of their own veteran players with a few rookies and low salaried castaways from other NFL teams.  Depth, they find ways to get contribution from every player on that roster.

The Seahawks defense; it’s a thing of beauty, one that fans of the other 31 NFL teams marvel over.  It can win you championships and allows your offense to play a controlled style of play.

The Eagles offense is going to continue to be a fast paced attack with the mindset to score and execute quickly.  It’s going to result in our defense being on the field more than most NFL teams.

We can’t have limitations at multiple position groups like 2013, but at the same time, all glaring holes can’t be patched up in “one” free agency, “one” NFL draft and via trade.

It took 4 years for Carroll and the Seahawks organization to be respected NFL team, a talked about team, a playoff competitor, a title contender and now NFL champion.

Kelly did more than we expected in one season.  He accomplished more with less then what Carroll did in his first season with the Seahawks.

We have some young solid pieces in place with promise at several positions.  Two nice drafts in a row and we are in a good place in regards to our salary cap status.

The Seahawks raised the Lombardi Trophy for the first time, giving that city their first ever Super Bowl title.

Is it wrong, far-fetched or unreasonable for us to expect the same from Chip after his 4th season with Philadelphia?

 

Jeff Kolsky

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koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 3, 2014 6:50 pm

“Their quarterback can make plays with his legs or extend a play long enough to allow his receivers to get open. While our projected 2014 quarterback is not that style of player, some of what Wilson did is the characteristics that Kelly wants from his quarterback”
Bottom line! We need to get that QB to play against playoff caliber teams!

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
February 3, 2014 6:54 pm

Colin Kap had a better game than Peyton against Seattle. Goes to show the NFL is similar to boxing, styles make fights. The direction the league is going it would be best to have a guy that can avoid the rush. Otherwise your guy has to be off the charts good like a Peyton Manning and even then its no guarantee. Foles has shown he can be off the charts good so far I hope he stays that way bc we cant win if he is not all world in the pocket.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 3, 2014 8:25 pm
Reply to  NuGreembol

Excellent assessment NuGreembol…Foles has shown that he can be good against inferior, weak defense teams. I am still waiting for some clear indications that Foles can beat a good defense under duress. He has not shown that he can do that as of yet

btc24
btc24
February 4, 2014 8:25 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Kool, Foles lit the Cardinals up. What more do you need to see? I understand you’d like to see it over an extended period of time (as would I) but can you for once just give him credit where credit is due.

My problem with you Kool (and Songs for that matter) is that while you do have a valid case for a mobile QB, you’re too quick to slam the QB we have after a phenomenal year. I will bet anything that Foles would have cake walked his way to a Super Bowl win had he played for Seattle.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 4, 2014 9:33 am
Reply to  btc24

btc24, stop looking for them to accept Foles…as if Foles is not validated without their approval. Let them root for their own teams as neither of them are true Eagles fans anyway. Their history tells you that. Kool was an Atlanta fan who followed Mike Vick here, Songs is a Redskins and RGIII fan by way of announcing his renouncement of the Eagles in 2012 and pledging his allegiance to the Redskins, the 4ers and then the Seahawks…that’s why he is the ultimate fraud! Stop giving those guys power and a sense of relevance…as they truly have none! Let them continue their banter and haranguing on a non-issue at this point. They can have conversations between themselves while being mired in the paralysis of analysis, as the rest of us move forward.

greenfan
greenfan
February 4, 2014 11:27 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Amen EagleHasLanded. Amen.

They will never approve of Foles, so why even read their posts. Same old shit, everyday.

Over the history of the NFL, and even the recent history, teams have won the SuperBowl with different styles and player types. Just last year you had a pocket QB in Flacco win, and this year it is a more mobile QB in Wilson. The common thing that both teams had was a very strong defense. FraudSongs and Koolbreeze can continue to bash Foles everyday, but the truth is that until we strengthen our defense, this team will not move forward in the playoff’s and ultimately the Superbowl until that is addressed. I believe that Kelly and Roseman understand that and our first step forward is coming this draft. DEFENSE.

GO BIRDS!!!!!

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 3, 2014 8:31 pm
Reply to  NuGreembol

Kaepernick had a better game against the Seattle because the 49ers were playing Seattle for the 3rd time this year in the playoffs – they are in the same division. Carson Palmer had a better game against the Seahawks than Peyton too, because the Cardinals play in the same division.

It’s all about familiarity. Teams a built to compete with the teams in their division.

DonP
DonP
February 3, 2014 7:05 pm

No it isnt as a matter of fact I think 3 seasons of FA and drafting the right players( emphasis on that D ) and we are right there. Now you have to understand the average age on seattle is 24 yrs so they gonna be good for next 4-5 yrs barring any serious injuries.Our “O” line isnt young anymore with the exception of Lane Johnston so we will have to address the o line too but the defense in my opinion is the place to start, olinbacker, safety,maybe we get jarius bryd from buffalo and good return guy to boost our special teams yea gonna take 3yrs maybe 4 but this coach I feel will put the whole package together. if this coach was in the same position as reid when he took over we probably would have had at least 3 sb under our belt I really believe that, reid destroyed this team he never knew how to draft and fuk us up all way round. I’m excited to have this coachI like and trust he will make this chit right!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 3, 2014 8:24 pm

The difference in talent on the Eagles, and the Seahawks, has more to do with the vision of the GM……..And his ability to identify talent…..period

paulman
paulman
February 4, 2014 10:43 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Seahawks HC Pete Carroll is very invovled with Player Aquisitions/Draft with GM John Scheider’s as they are on the same page and been working together for 4 Years now
Eagles HC Kelly/GM Roseman & Gamble are just heading into their 2 Off-Season together as a Group so they have some catching up to do..
but I feel they are off to a good start and don’t have as many holes to build this Franchise up like the Seahawks did when they took over 4 years ago

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 4, 2014 3:20 pm
Reply to  paulman

I see a lot of holes….

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 3, 2014 8:46 pm

It’s ridiculous to even talk about the QB position when comparing the Seahawks and the Eagles – The difference is their defenses. If the Eagles defense could hold opposing teams to 14.4 points/game like Seattle did Foles would be holding the Lumbardi trophy last night.

Wilson could have thrown 3 INTs last night and the Seahawks would have won. The QB had not effect on that game. Special teams and defense outscored the Broncos.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 3, 2014 8:59 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

SO TRUE IRISH!!!!

Couldn’t have said it better myself….

For the last 3 years, I have been screaming for the Eagles to address the Defense.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 9:14 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

The QB issue as it relates to the Eagles is a dead issue except for those who live in their own alternate delusional world of false hope!

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 3, 2014 9:30 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Eaglehaslanded,
I know… I can’t figure-out what they are hoping for. Do they honestly think if they complain enough Kelly might put Vick back in the starting lineup next year?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 9:40 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

IrishEagle…Yes, they do…but they musn’t forget to close their eyes, click their heels 3 times and repeat….the Eagles must draft a mobil QB . Let’s see how that works for you. Howie Roseman was on WIP today a stated that Nick Foles was the Eagles QB going forward. Those with warped senses of reality can not handle the truth or believe what those in position to actually make decision say is true for them. If you can’t get with the program…to bad!

DMAN
DMAN
February 3, 2014 9:42 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Exactly Mr Irish. And it’s nice to know that some people out there can see that. It wasn’t about the play of Wilson, it was the defense. Like I said before, tough defenses win championships. I’d take a bad ass D over a high scoring offense any day of the week. Keep working on that D Roseman. I just wish we could go back in time and select Earl Thomas, rather than moving up to take Brandon Graham. I’m anxiously awaiting for the draft to take place..Defense! Defense! Defense! And WR 🙂

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 3, 2014 9:52 pm
Reply to  DMAN

Irish is drunk DMAN…and no one denies the defense their due…it is only the fools who cant see that Seattle happens to have a brilliant young QB who took advantage of what his defense gave him…and when Denver stopped Lynch…it was the Qb who picked his game up and started converting key third downs…pinpoint passes…keep plays alive with his feet…Denver defense only wishes that Seattle had someone like Nick Foles to make their job easier!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 3, 2014 9:28 pm

Ridiculous… The Qb is extremely important when you are talking in terms of winning playoff games. If Foles played for Seattle last night, Denver would have had a much better chance to win! Wilson’s ability to convert on key third downs and take advantage of Denver’s offensive woes with Manning was key. .Foles was in the same situation…the defense was playing well against New Orleans…forced two turnovers…Foles couldn’t get the job done…kept the Saints in the game…
Thus we see the clear diffference…Wilson..a clutch, QB making plays with his legs, not taking bad sacks, making down the field throws in tight windows…compared to a immobile Qb who could not take advantage of what the Eagle defense had set up for him!

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
February 3, 2014 9:38 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

WHAT PART OF LEFT THE FIELD WITH THE LEAD DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!!!!!

Foles would have won that Superbowl on that team as well. For all of the QB driven league, Passing league blah blah blah….

THREE WORDS

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!!!!!

Kool leave this site YOU SUCK!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 9:44 pm
Reply to  RegalEagle

As soon as Mike lands in a new city he will start trolling sites for that team like he did when Mike left Atlanta to come to Philly.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 3, 2014 9:37 pm

We saw Seattle against a top flight defense and saw the QB make plays….while we saw Foles struggle mightily against average, sub-par defenses! So the biggest difference between Seattle and the Eagles are two factors:
1. A superb defense
2. A huge gap between the Quarterbacks

One QB-Russell Wilson- is a proven winner…29-8..clutch, mobile,plays his best in the fourth quarter of games where he has lead his team to numerous victories.The other Qb-Nick Foles-has racked up huge stats in games against inferior teams like Oakland and Tampa Bay. A game manager and product of an innovative coaching system…Foles looks good in following the script…but struggles mightily when he gets the slightest resistance from average defenses…(Dallas for example)

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
February 3, 2014 9:39 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 9:45 pm
Reply to  RegalEagle

Regal, Don’t acknowledge him or his nonsense…he’s irrelevant as it pertains to the Eagles.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 3, 2014 9:48 pm

LMAO…i know RegalBeagle…you can scream and cry all you want…and you are so right…Defense wins championships! But poor, subpar QB play can lose you championships! Just ask Peyton Manning!
Sure…we need to improve the defense…we also need a QB that can make plays when the going gets tough….not a QB that piles up a bunch of stats against weak teams and when he gets a little resistence…folds up!

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 3, 2014 9:56 pm

What we learned from last night is you don’t draft a stiff like Barkley in the 4th round when you can find a Richard Sherman or a Kam Chancellor or the MVP whoever the hell is name is. LMAO.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 10:01 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

BL…don’t forget MVP Malcom Smith. The draft is extremely important in the later rounds….that’s what last nights game demonstrated. The Eagles must hit in the later rounds and with their UFA’s too!

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 3, 2014 10:20 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

And guess what Eagles the only reason he was drafted by Seattle was his USC connection. LOL

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 10:24 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

It’ll be interesting to see if Chip will do that with an Oregon player in the later rounds.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 3, 2014 10:38 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Wouldn’t surprise me if Thomas is drafted here and I also wouldn’t be surprised if they picked up Walter Thurmand during free agency.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 3, 2014 10:40 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I would look at Thomas in the 5th.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 3, 2014 10:01 pm

Stop that Seattle had 4 straight losing years which is a big part of why they are good

mimitaro
mimitaro
February 4, 2014 5:01 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

How? They missed on a lot of early picks. Hows Aaron Curry doing for them these days? It’s the late rounds they hit on.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 4, 2014 8:08 am

Aaron curry is the only one your gonna name to

mhenski
mhenski
February 4, 2014 10:32 am

GCOBB college football player talent evaluators i just read this mock draft from sb nation and it kind of got me excited. I have no clue about NCAA players as I hate college ball and there are too many teams and players to follow so I dont do it, so help me out with this mock. Would this be a Win for the Eagles?

22. Philadelphia Eagles – Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
On one hand, you could argue the Eagles were last in the NFL in pass defense because they were on the field so often. On the other hand, you point out that neither Bradley Fletcher or Cary Williams should be long-term solutions on the outside. Dennard is a press specialist who can hang with big receivers and is quick enough to stick with shifty pass catchers.

To no surprise, the first Eagles pick comes on the defensive side of the ball. Dennard seems to fit what the Eagles like in their cornerbacks, given his style of play. Fletcher and Williams were solid in 2013, but long-term depth is needed on the outside.

54. Philadelphia Eagles – Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State
Another secondary piece for the Eagles. Nate Allen is a free agent, and Patrick Chung didn’t do much to live up to the contract he was given. Bucannon is a hard-hitting safety who can cover tight ends in man situations. He’s a better coverage safety than he’s given credit, and is a player who can set the tone in the back half.

The Eagles second selection is yet another defensive player that aims to bolster Philadelphia’s secondary. Bucannon is considered to be one of the top safeties in this draft class. Funny enough, Bucannon is a player who had great games against the Oregon Ducks when Kelly was still coaching in the college ranks. It was apparent through last year’s draft that Kelly targeted players who fit this bill (see: Zach Ertz, Matt Barkley, Jordan Poyer).

86. Philadelphia Eagles – De’Anthony Thomas, WR/RB, Oregon
It’s hard to find a good spot for Thomas, but Chip Kelly knows how to use him. He could line up at wide receiver, running back and contribute on special teams.

Hey, an offensive player! This is a pick that will surely be common in many mock drafts. DAT used to play for Kelly and I’m sure the Eagles coach wouldn’t mind a reunion with one of his former offensive weapons. DAT, who happens to be friends with wide receiver DeSean Jackson, could be used all over the Eagles offensive formations. From a being utilized as change of pace scatback, to lining up in the slot, to being a return man, DAT could offer the Eagles value in a number of ways.

paulman
paulman
February 4, 2014 10:51 am
Reply to  mhenski

I like the First 2 Selections and would be happy with the Picks
CB Dennard & Safety Bucannon
I would prefer Safety Calvin Pryor at #22 & and CB Fuller at #54 instead)

I do not like DeAnthony Thomas at #86 .. He’s too small (5-9″ 170lbs and has fallen to a 6th Round Graded Prospect) He’s versatil and fast but see him as nothing more than a Returnman and an occasional Back out of the Backfield and at 170lbs, don’t think he’s going to be durable enough to warrant a 3rd Round Selection who needs to a be Prospect to compete for Starters Time by 2015 and I don’t see Thomas as more of a 4-5 Touches a Game type of Player who can be has in the later Rounds or even as an Undrafted Free-Agent Player

mhenski
mhenski
February 4, 2014 10:58 am
Reply to  paulman

thanks paul. i wasnt big on thomas either but i know squat except for he wasnt that big of an impact player this year.

cliff what u think:?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 4, 2014 3:22 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I like Thomas, but his size for me is a big concern, because of durability.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 4, 2014 3:23 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I don’t like Dennard

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 4, 2014 3:24 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I’ve mocking Kyle Fuller for months. I think our corners have to be faster, bigger, and more physical than what we have….

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 1:18 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gm, I mentioned this countless and countless number of times on here. Everyone keeps saying we need safeties and we certainly do, but we also need bigger faster more physical corners. Thats not a position we need to overlook, Cary Williams is no young guy hes 29 yrs old and Bradley Fletcher is right behind him at 28 yrs old. Time to bring in two young guys there..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 5, 2014 7:18 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Safeties take priority over corners right now, we have 1 safety that can play a little in Earl Wolffe. Williams and Fletcher can get us through next year.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 9:27 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

JH, I agree with you only to a degree. They have to get it right. I would sign Byrd, or Ward, and draft 2 Safeties with no pressure to draft one in the early if they don’t have to, and risk selling the farm to move up to get Clinton-Dix, or Pryor.

If they sign Ward(SS), you don’t need Pryor, If they sign Byrd(FS), they don’t need Clinton-Dix….But they do need to draft 2, or 3 for depth, and future starters – perhaps Pryor, Buchannon, Jean -Baptiste, or McGill can be converted, and or used to play both -(shrugging my shoulders) IDK….or later picks like : Nickoe Whitley, and Tre Boston….

We need corners, but remember JH, it’s also about positioning, and this is a deep draft for Corners. Kyle Fuller, Jean Baptiste, Pierre Desir, Walt Aikens, and Antone Exum

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 9:55 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

GM, I totally agree. We need to see what they’ll do in FA first. I say these things because I don’t think they will break the bank for anyone, I would like them to sign a proven commodity like Byrd or Ward but the more I listen to Howie the more I think they want to go the cheaper route not the big name. I hope I’m wrong about it..

But I also like these safeties and corners coming out this year. Both Dix and Pryor are two guys I really like. I’ve been following Clinton Dix all year long and he’s a true player, he can make plays all over the field. I’ve been watching Pryor as of late and I like how aggressive he is. He reminds me of Kam Chancellor.. I mentioned McGill on here a number of times who is an intriguing prospect at corner with his height length weight, I think he will be a good player at the next level. He could be a hybrid corner/safety, similar to what the Eagles used to do with Dawk early in his career, lining him up with WRs etc..

I ll be honest with you GM, I don’t think we have neither our starting safeties or starting corners for the future.. I still think that both positions will be addressed this off season..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 10:47 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

1. Kony Ealy
2. Calvin Pryor
2. Kyle Fuller
3. Jeremiah Attaochu
3. Stanley Jean-Baptiste
4. Daniel McCullers

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 10:52 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I agree JH,

Keith McGill, looks to me to be a very good FS, than an every day CB. But could play as a CB, in some packages.

Howie knows even if he drafts a Safety, – Dix, or Pryor – he will still have to season for a year or 2, so signing a Ward, or Byrd, is in the Birds best interest.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 4, 2014 7:56 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Dennard will be a bust, stay away from him not enough size and not fast enough to be an effective slot corner.

Stevo
Stevo
February 4, 2014 12:27 pm

Foles is the QB and has played very very well. As I said at the start of last year.. QB is fine (tho we need a #2), the key is D. ( and has been)

Need to sign 2 play makers in the secondary.
Need a olb to get to the qb.
Need to grab a kicker that can boom it out the back on kickoffs.
Need to draft well… lots on D and some fast wr/rbs

As was last year.. and years prior…. need tobget bigger on D and press press press.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 4, 2014 6:00 pm
Reply to  Stevo

yes, Foles is number one and I agree we need a number 2.

Since Vick will be starting next year Chip will find a QB with a similar skill set to Vick to back up and possibly take over the job if Foles goes down.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 4, 2014 9:29 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Or if Foles falters…defensive coordinators are going to use the Seattle defense as a roadmap to defending the spread offense…the read option is key element to take advantage of a aggressive man defense like Seattle plays. With Foles we might as well eliminate that…will Chip go to a more conventional offense to help Foles? Will we use a fullback to help the running game and pass protection for Foles?
Or do we go and get a more mobile QB who can run the read option effectively enough to help the run game

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 5, 2014 6:12 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

LOL. You still on this stupid kick?

“the read option is key element to take advantage of…..”

Dude, pay attention. The R-O in the NFL is already dead. Gone the way of the Wildcat.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 5, 2014 7:22 am

Vinnie…You keep entertaining their thoughts! Let those two guys have conversations with each other. Notice….people are not engaging them as much as that topic is a dead issue. You’re helping in their attempt to continuously resurrect it. Let them and that dead issue go.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 5, 2014 7:53 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I know – but everything else is dull – gets no play.

Other than GMcliff”s little “these are my players and you can’t have them – mine, Mine MINE!” business, nothing else stirs emotions.

This past week I’ve written about the failings of JJs defenses and blitz packages against veteran Qbs, Jennifer Jones choking in the olympics, how the Eagles are going to suprise everyone going OLine with their first pick (or an even bigger suprise……tight end!) and how I am still concerned a little about Kelly, who had a rep in college of beating up weaker teams then struggling mightily vs high ranked teams and how I am still concerned about this with the Birds.

Crickets.

But this silly ‘need a running qb’ business……that’s the gift that keeps on giving!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 9:34 am

I knew you were begging off because you couldn’t handle it,,,,,

I have never thought of you as a coward Vinnie…

Just name some players so I can call you on the carpet in the future.

Greenfan, Eaglehaslanded, Paulman, DCar, AntiTrust, Root, and Biglion have all responded with no complaints…….

I find it ironic that the biggest, and most critical posters are the only ones who have bitched, and begged off……not surprising.

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 8:04 am

I like for back-up QB Thaddeus Lewis (Bills) or even a Mark Sanchez
(Jets) to get a look, once he gets released from
The Jets

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 12:14 pm
Reply to  paulman

Brian Hoyer

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 5, 2014 4:17 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

would love to see Hoyer in the back up spot, though I do believe if his health is right, he should go somewhere to start at QB. He was playing mighty fine for the Browns when healthy.

alwaysphilly
February 5, 2014 8:34 am

Paul, You are spot on with Calvin Pryor with our first pick. This guy can play. In the NFL the good teams have an intimidator on the back end. Just look at the first series of the Super bowl, the hit that Cam put on their receiver. The Denver receiver’s didn’t want to catch the ball. We used to have that for years; Dawkins,Hopkins, Waters, all of em would take your head off. The thing I like most about Pryor is he takes good angles, very seldom does he miss a tackle. We might need to trade up to 15/16 to attain him. The word is getting out that Ha Ha isn’t as good as the media says he is.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 9:32 am
Reply to  alwaysphilly

Don’t believe the hype of paul and his “picks”.. hes already exposed himself when he said he goes to cbssports.com nfl draft section. Isn’t it interesting that when you click on mock drafts both mocks have the Eagles picking safety Calvin Pryor?.. Paul is a fraudman like ive been saying. He said a few weeks ago that he follows that site closely. Others may be naive but im not. Every time he switches his picks its because that site changed its mock drafts. That explains why hes always flip flopping. He changes name after name like he changes his underwear. If you guys dont believe me check it out for yourselves. He goes to that site, sees whos dropped whos stock has risen all of that nonsense. He was big on DT Hageman who was there pick a few weeks ago, now he switched to Pryor as of late just like the site. He ll switch as the site switches. What a fraudman.. haha

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 9:56 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

You are incorrect JH, (as usual)
I follow many sites concerning Draft Prospects and follow College/Pro football passionately to make my own Desicions..
DT Ra’Sheede Hageman did not have a great Senior Week and has fallen a tad from a late 1st Rounder to now an early 2nd Rounder, meanwhile Safety Calvin Pryor has moved up from a late 1st/early 2nd and I really like his game and think he would be a great Fit for the Eagles Defense.. Safety is a Priority which I have been saying all Season/Off-Season…

I will give many Mocks leading up to the Draft and many times my Selections will change based on who is rising, who is falling, what the Eagles do in Free-Agency, who has a strong Indy Combine, strong College Workout Days,who the Eagles invite to NovaCare,etc,etc…
so it’s a fluid situation as it is every Draft/Off-Season
Besides, I am not sure why you are so concerned to have to make a Post on how I come up with my Mocks, or why I think the way I do, This just goes to show your immaturity and I guess jealousy towards me … You got some issues my friend, and who cares what I think anyways…

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 10:17 am
Reply to  paulman

None of the above, I just enjoy exposing you when necessary. You can lie all you want on here. We both know that you follow cbssports.com nfl draft scout very closely and switch your mocks as they switch. You change the eagles picks as they change them. Hageman was their pick for the eagles a month ago so you went with him (we don’t hear you saying his name anymore), they then switched it to Kelvin Benjamin after he declared then you began to say on here “The eagles may draft a wr in the first round”.. Now just recently you’ve been on this Calvin Pryor thing on every single post wanting everyone to see that you mentioned his name, which makes sense since that sites mocks have the eagles going Pryor in the first.. Your the ultimate fraud and ultimate flip flopper and I exposed you once again, deny deny deny all you want…

Now pick a new site to copy off of then act like you new all along about this guy or that guy first and announce it on here. Pathetically funny.. You got away with it for awhile, I commend you…

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 5, 2014 10:31 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Says the guy whose “sources” give him information right after it is posted on every sports site on the internet.

Hi pot, meet kettle.

DCar
DCar
February 5, 2014 1:15 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Says the @$$miner, who copies & pastes stories from all other sites, & posts them as from his own sources! GTFOH, you imbecilic, hypocritical, loser!!!! You are the only pathetic, laughable fraud on here, & everyone knows it. Beat it, like you beat your one inch killer!

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 9:44 am
Reply to  alwaysphilly

I like Calvin Pryor’s upside much more than Ha-Ha Dix who I am not impressed with for the NFL level and would take other Safety’s like Deone Buchannon,Ahmad Dixon,Craig Loston, Tre Boston, Dontae Johnson, Ed Reynolds,Dion Bailey over Dix..
I am not a big fan of Alabama’s Players who I think get overhyped for the Program they play for and to be honest, most of the Players seemed to be physically maxed-out by the time they reach the NFL.. It doesn’t seem that many Alabama Players from the Saban era ever improve as NFL Players and are more of a product of a Great College Program

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 5, 2014 10:04 am
Reply to  paulman

DJ Fluker and Eddie Lacy played well last year

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 10:20 am

E0S, he goes according to cbssports.com nfldraftscout, hes the ultimate fraudman/flip flopper. They changed their picks to Pryor so now he’s on this Pryor kick… Go check it out

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 10:59 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Your such an ass JH
I have listed Pryor for 2-3 Weeks now
You get scorned on by every regular Poster on here, so now you turn your attention to me, what a jack-off you are ….Everyone sees thru your juvenile mind … I don’t even know why I am wasting my breadth on a turd like you… Go clean your basement like your Mom told you too and stay off the Internet for a while … Good Grief your an Ass

mhenski
mhenski
February 5, 2014 11:07 am
Reply to  paulman

he really is paul. i didnt understand how big of an ass he was until i saw he called you a racist last year because you didnt think geno smith would be good…

i was reading all his posts last year about his sources, his trades, and his eagles targets and 0 were close or true. its all there for anyone to read just click on NFL draft up top under “union” and right there on the second page stories is all the proof you need to know he is an ass, uneducated and clueless.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 11:21 am
Reply to  mhenski

mhitler, lets not get on any race tirades knowing how you’ve said enough questionable things. Esp in regards to the whole Riley Cooper situation.. Stay out of this buddy and find something else to do during your retirement..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 11:16 am
Reply to  paulman

I’m an “ass” because I exposed you about the site you look at for draft picks and prospects then come on here acting like you discovered the next eagle or great player? I’ll take that, call me what you want it doesn’t change the fact that I exposed you once again fraudman… Why are you so angry bro?!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 1:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

Pwhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 5, 2014 12:23 pm
Reply to  paulman

That’s a pretty broad paintbrush your painting with Paul. Ha Ha Dix is a superior athlete who will excel in the NFL he can hit and also cover receivers in the slot. This kid can play.

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
February 5, 2014 9:48 am

Listen up guys. I worked a Super Bowl event last week and got a chance to meet a lot of players, including TJ Ward. He said he’s love to play for the eagles and is good friends with Desean Jackson. They are even managed by the same guy. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. One bad thing that stood out to me was how small he was. I’m around 5’8 and he wasn’t much taller than me. I’d still take him over Chung anyday.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 5, 2014 9:57 am

isn’t Desean’s new agent Jay Z —
I was watching the Sixers play the Nets the other night and Malik Rose was laughing at Russell Wilson who was enjoying the game with Jay Z and Beyonce – Malik was saying Russell’s agent is in trouble, what better eye candy than sitting next to Beyonce — he was laughing about Russell’s agent is about to be former agent

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 10:03 am

Good stuff concrete. Yeah he’s around 5’10 man. I prefer my safeties to be 6ft or taller. I know FS Earl Thomas is 5’10 but he plays a lot bigger. Ward is better than what we have but hes not better than Earl Thomas..

I wouldn’t mind having Ward at FS but we’d need to draft a big SS like a Calvin Pryor, put him at SS and have Ward on the other side. We’d be set for years to come..

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 10:38 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

TJ Ward is strictly a Strong Safety… get your story together JH…

Strong Safety’s are typically smaller in size but more Physical in nature
look around the Strong Safeties in the NFL and many of them are in that 5-10′ to 6”0 Range..(besides Cam Chancellor)
The Free-Seafety is the more athletic and usually taller Safety and repsonsible for the Deep Pass Coverages and Double Teams and tends to be less physical, but more of a Ball Hawk and to be able to make Int’s and plays on the ball while in the air…
The Strong Safety is more relied for Run Support, down in Box, the Physical Enforcer,Covering TE’s, Covering Backs out of the Backfield, Blitzing on occasion

List of Free-Agent Safety’s

TJ Ward is a Stong Safety
Donte Whitner is a Strong Safety
Mike Mitchell is a Strong Safety
James Ihebigo is a Strong Safety
Taylor Mays is a Strong Safety
Antoine Bethea is a Strong Safety
Brandon Meriweather is a Strong safety
Kurt COleman is a Strong Safety

Jarius Byrd in a Free Safety
Major Wright is a Free Safety
Bernard Pollard is more of a Free Safety, but can play Strong as well
Nate Allen is a Free Safety

Patrick Chung is a Strong Safety and needs replaced with a Free-Agent,
Then the Eagles Draft a Top Safety in this Draft (Pryor or Buchannon)
and maybe even re-sign Nate Allen along with Wolffe and there is your Safety Corps

I like a Safety Corp of TJ Ward or a Mike Mitchell, to go along with a High Draft Pick of Calvin Pryor or Deone Buchannon, then re-sign Nate Allen & also have Wolff returning and then another have another later Draft Pick, undrafted Free-Agent battle it out with Colt Anderson for a 5th Spot/Special Teams

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 10:44 am
Reply to  paulman

I know my positions guy. That’s my point I want TWO physical safeties. Don’t get upset because I exposed you, it needed to be done..

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 11:14 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Exposed me JH, what a joke.. I have nothing to prove here to you or anyone else for that matter .. I pass along my insights,opinions and analysis on Players,Teams and anything on Football..
I have forgetten more about Football in my sleep than you ever known JH
So stick with Bron-Bron and the pitiful NBA that no one cares about here ..Your an embarrasment to real Football Fans here on GCOBB..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 1:53 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Ward is a strong safety

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 5, 2014 11:06 am

Don’t give me any of that “coward” bullshit GMcliff. Its too grade school playground all right.

I’ve never been much for looking at college players because its a waste of time. I mean I read a bit in the days before the draft, but that’s about it.

70% of all drafted players flame out. This despite millions upon millions of dollars, resources and energy spent on scouting.

Aside from a couple of “can’t miss” players (recently Luck, Calvin Johnson etc) its a big crapshoot.

Who’d I just read was the fastest rising QB? Blake Bortles?? No one had heard of the guy 6 months ago, now he might go top 10. That’s a joke.

Anyone on here who says they can predict who is going to be good or not is lying.

Because they can’t.

You post a 15 person list of “here are the guys I said would be good!” Meanwhile you’ve got a notebook with another 100 guys who were never heard from again.

I have no idea who the Eagles are going to pick (players wise). I have no idea what other teams will do (other than the Raiders will fuck up and take a nobody or 2). Nor do I know if the guys they pick are going to work out or not – no one dows. I have a bit of an idea of team needs, but not the players they covet.

I also think you are all wasting a lot of time trying to figure out what safety the Eagles are going to draft in the first round, because its going to be a lineman, and probably an offensive lineman. The economics of the game dictate Lineman or QB in the first round and that’s it.

They’ll take a safety in the 3rd or 4th (where they should)

Though don’t be shocked if a guy like Ebron slips into the 20s because of his position….Kelly will start salivating………

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 5, 2014 12:56 pm

Depends on where your from Vinnie, Bortles is from right down the road here and most of the people here were wondering why he had no buzz. If the Eagles draft oline at 22 that would be to far of a reach. Ebron is a gamechanger you would have to consider him if he’s there at 22. Get your safeties in free agency but Pryor or Dix need to be picked if they last until 22.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 1:59 pm

Paul, Dcar, and I have done it for the last 3 years…

So what your really trying to say is this isn’t you thing. I can respect that Vinnie.

My real request from you is –

Don’t associate yourself with that asswipe – Eagls0Superbowls. Your better than that, with more class. We’ve always had reasonable conversations in the past, and I have respect for you. So please disassociate yourself from that Jerk, so we can continue to have mature dialogue. Brother…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 5, 2014 7:41 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Whoops…guess you wint like what I just put on the other thread then….oh well, frankly I thought it was funny though.

There’ no real benefit to spending a lot of time researching college players when the vast majority flame out.

I much prefer to evaluate them in the pros, its the only way you can truly determine if they will be successful

And in that area, birds are in good shape with 3 young players (foles, Johnson and ertz all pricing the game isn’t too big for them.

I also do not believe the Eagles.are.done remaking the Offense yet, and I think that will remain Kelly’s priority this draft with early on that side of the ball before getting around to defensive players in year 3. (and I have been saying this consistently for 2 years now)

1st pick Oline (Johnson to Lt to replace peters next year, new guy to Johnson’s spot), or perhaps ebron if he’s there when eagles select.

I do believe they will grab a safety in free agency and puck another in round 3 or 4…that makes sense….safties.in the first round are a waste of resources.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 8:07 pm

Johnson is not a LT. Are you saying you think he is?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 5, 2014 8:09 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I agree with your theory on Safety. We will sign one in free agency quoting Howie on WIP.

Don’t know if it will be Byrd, or Ward, but it should be.

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
February 5, 2014 11:31 am

I wouldn’t mind that at all. Ward and Pryor would give us two athletic, interchangeable safeties that can hit. I like Bucannon too. Honestly if think about giving up a first and a second next year if we could get K. Mack. I think he could be a better pro than Clowney.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 5, 2014 12:06 pm

Exactly. Two interchangeable Safeties. Some guys on here just don’t have vision. They need to look at draft sites and hear what analyst have to say in order to form an opinion or a thought then act like they came up with it..

More good stuff concrete..

frankdialogue
February 5, 2014 2:09 pm

Already, the diarrhea mouthed media are spewing bullshit about the Seattle Steroids: ‘How can Seattle possibly be beaten?’; ‘Surely, this must be one of the greatest, if not the greatest defense the NFL has ever seen!’

OK: Seattle has a very good defense, ‘performance enhanced’ or not, but there have been a ton of good/great defenses in the NFL, and the Eagles have had a few of them…So this glorification of Seattle’s defense is very premature…And as to ‘How can Seattle be beaten?’ the answer is simple: score more points than them.

As for dynasty talk, there is only one ‘dynasty’ in the NFL this century: the New England Patriots: they’ve been on or near the top for over a decade…Viewing current trends, I could see the Steroids imploding as early as next year, but then again, they might have the stuff to be contenders for a few seasons.

I still have my questions about the Super Bowl: Denver’s performance was so bad, across the board, that ‘fix’ was the first thing that entered my mind, and ‘laying down like dogs’ was the second.

As for our Birds the solution remains to stay the course, improve and build a ‘Philadelphia style’ defense, add the best players available, strengthen both O/D lines, and fine tune the offense.

You win championships with balanced attack and tough ‘D’…This is how the Steroids won, and how every team wins…What Philadelphia does have is superior fitness program under Kelly, which was proven by our lack of serious injury to players this year.

Stay the course: that’s ‘how Seattle can be beaten’.

frankdialogue
February 5, 2014 2:13 pm

One last thing: the Eagles need improvement in both the punt & kickoff return game, and improvement on special teams as a whole, with the possible addition of a new kicker.

Thank you.

pheags88
pheags88
February 5, 2014 2:29 pm

Just came back from Vegas. I recommend for all to go watch a Superbowl there if you haven’t already. Nothing like it, didn’t even matter that the game was terrible with all the women around. BTW easiest money I have ever made. I don’t think I have ever been so right on a Superbowl, said weeks ago it should be an easy win for Seattle because Denver was really only better as a team in like 2-3 positions. Thats equals blowout every time. There wasn’t even one Denver player on defense you would take over any position on the Seattle defense. Von Miller would be the only guy.

Cant wait for Free Agency. Hopefully we pay enough money for Ward or Byrd…need one of them

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 5, 2014 3:12 pm
Reply to  pheags88

did you have to buy a ticket or reserve a space at the betting parlor for the SuperBowl?

pheags88
pheags88
February 5, 2014 4:38 pm

I saw the game at a super bowl party. However, the sport books among the different casinos all had their own things going on. I think you needed a reservation/tickets for admission for all of them. And if you wanted to get a seat you had to make your reservation well in advance.
I think the best sports books are at Caesars and the Wynn. Mandalay Bay is nice too but its all the way on the other side of the strip. I hear there are some nice ones off the strip but never been to any of those. Im thinking about going there again during March Madness.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 5, 2014 6:32 pm

We can expect some improvement from the defense…we need a stud defensive tackle, another impact linebacker, and most importantly an impact safety! The defense will be average to middle of the road… The question that will be answered is do we have a franchise QB that can be consistent against quality, playoff caliber defenses in Chip Kelly’s spread offense.

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 7:24 pm

We will see a lot of Pkayers cut/releSed from Teams in the next 10 Days or so as Trams get their Sakary Cap Situations cleared up for whatever Free-Agents are out there.. Look at any underperforming, non Playoff Team and you will see high paid Veterans let go which will add to the agree-Agency Pool
Of Players..
I see Teams like Redskins,Cowboys, Giants, Ravens,
Steelers,Bears, Texans, Titans, Jags, Jets and others cutting the chord with a lot of big-name Players
soon…

The Silencer10
The Silencer10
February 6, 2014 12:52 am

The number one thing to learn is.. NEXT TIME TAKE EARL THOMAS NOT BRANDON GRAHAM.. Assholes