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Seahawks Defense Had The Answer For Peyton’s Receivers

PeytonManning1I sent out the following Tweet a few minutes before the game.

” I’m picking Seattle & their defense. They must jam Denver receivers & get to Peyton. Percy Harvin will need to make some plays. Super Bowl”

I knew the Seahawks were going to force Peyton Manning to hold the football and they were going to get some hits on him.  Seattle’s defense will jam every receiver at the line of scrimmage.  They don’t let them release right away .  Number 18 had to hold onto the football, so it was just a matter of time before he got hit by one of the pass rushers.

For most of the plays, Manning had no where to go with the football.  It wasn’t so much that he couldn’t get the job done, it was that his receivers were no match for the Seahawks’ defenders.

Once they hit him, Manning was having happy feet while waiting to throw the ball.  His receivers were having trouble getting off the jams.

Manning has undergone four neck surgeries and I take my hat off to him for continuing to play football.  Every time he gets hit, he know he is taking a major risk.

Broncos 6’3″ 220 pound wide receiver Demaryius Thomas is the only Broncos wide out who could get open consistently and that why he caught a Super Bowl record, 13 catches for 118 yards and a touchdown.  He was too big and strong to be jammed, but the other Denver receivers had no answer for the physical play of the Seahawks.

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DonP
DonP
February 4, 2014 7:49 am

We miss TO say what you may but the dude was like a gladiator he didnt get pushed around like our present paper tiger receiver corp does, but bottom line is we need pure defense like seattle man the way the outside linebackers were gettin in backfield and dbs just unbelievable the speed and talent besides being football savy have my hat goes off to that team hope chip emulates this team especially the way they draft!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 4, 2014 8:54 am

the 49ers knew what was in front of them that is why the went out and got Anquan Boldin.
The Broncos were as unprepared for Clubber Lang as Rocky Balboa was –

btc24
btc24
February 5, 2014 8:58 am

Great post eagles0. That Clubber Lang reference was spot on.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 5, 2014 9:06 am
Reply to  btc24

LOL- I pity the fool —

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 4, 2014 9:02 am

The eagles will play the Seahawks, 49ers, Rams, and Cards( who already want to kill the birds’ offense since they think, rightfully, they were robbed at the Linc) in a row next year

paulman
paulman
February 4, 2014 9:48 am

Manning and the Bronco Receivers were playing “Scared” from the get go..
(Outside of Welker, did anyone notice how the Bronco Receivers when catching the ball were always taking a step or 2 backwards after receiving, instead of cutting upfield and trying to get positive yardage.. It was embarrassing to watch and it appeared that the Bronco’s Receivers were more concerned about getting hit than finishing a Play.. This is what a tough,physical Secondary can do to a Passing Team and again, we are talking about big,physical Recivers on the Broncos (Thomas,Decker & Thomas) and the #1 Offense in 2013 and they were in essence, playing like smurfs…
Kind of reminded me of the Eagles great Secondaries of the 90’s & Early 2000’s when they to challenge and intimidate most of theie opponents Receivers back in the day…
Eagles need to get back to this .. Need 2 Starting Safeties (1 in Free-Agency and 1 with a high Draft Pick) and another young and physical CB
from this Draft ..

It reminded me a bit

DonP
DonP
February 4, 2014 10:16 am

Paulman like I said and predicted seattles defense would shut peyton and co down cause defense is what wins not the o I said before this game lotta people eyes gonna open up after seeing how seahawks would dismantle broncos, all about the D. If you read my post above not just secondary, we need outside lbs that got speed and toughness to get to qb and get deep penetration to disrupt a qb from standing in the pocket and picking u apart. broncos played average teams during season but when time game play the best d they blew up your boy manning and his team. Dont feel so bad thats what they would have done to us if somehow we were the last team standing to get to the big dance. Hell probably would been 55 to 0 lol!!!!!!!!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 4, 2014 9:21 pm

There is always the excuses for Peyton Manning! Stop it! He was terrible! The first interception was a terrible throw …he couldn’t get the ball deep…he didn’t give his receivers a chance…Peyton’s arm is not that good on deep balls anymore…he has a Nick Foles arm so his deep balls are terrible…that left him with a bunch of short dump off passes where he was getting his receivers killed! The book is now out on how to play against the spread offenses…I’m very curious to see what kind of adjustments Chip Kelly is going to make given the limitations of Foles

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
February 4, 2014 11:10 pm

Peyton had a bad game he overthrew on that second pick, prob should have taken a sack on the first pick. he missed wr’s outside the numbers and the pressure made him make some bad decisions. most NFL qb’s deal with pressure on a weekly basis and are expected to win. Peyton rarely gets touched in the pocket partly bc he is so good of knowing where he wants to go with the football, but when the heat is on as it will be against good defenses you can’t blame the circumstances. If that was any other qb back there everybody would be screaming protect the football take the sack throw it away bad pass, but bc it’s Peyton we want to blame Thomas and Decker. Thomas played his ass off, and the fact that this wasn’t the first time Peyton came up empty if the face of tough D after putting up Nintendo stats shows you he is what he is. Regular season champion who pads his stats throwing in games they are already ahead. He always changes the play so he can pad his stats and he is really good so no one complains except maybe the offensive linemen. Come playoff time it always bites him in the ass and if Rex Grossman wasn’t so terrible he has zero superbowls.

DMAN
DMAN
February 5, 2014 3:38 am

Free agency wist list
1. Jarius Byrd, or Donte Whitner

2. B.J. Raji

3. James Jones ( if we lose Cooper or Maclin)

4. Legarrett Blount (hard runner who can bang between the tackles in short yardage situations)

5. CB depth

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 5, 2014 7:28 am
Reply to  DMAN

No thanks to BJ Raji, he reminds me of that FA who would come in and not give equal effort like he did in Greeen Bay. I think his best playing days are over. I like L. Blunt, but we’re fine at RB. They just have to use Chris Polk in those tough yard plays. I’d prefer TJ Ward to both Whitner and Byrd. I still believe they will address safety in the first 3 rounds.

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 5:15 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

No thanks to Raji either.. He’s too soft and out of shape and has been on the decline the last 2 Seasons… Takes up space, that’s about it..

DMAN
DMAN
February 5, 2014 3:41 am

But of course I would take a successful draft any day of the week

daggolden
daggolden
February 5, 2014 5:29 am

Reports are Bryd and Buffalo may get a deal done and I don’t see the Eagles paying 60 million(his asking price) with 40 million guaranteed for a safety. Look for a Mike Mitchell or a Chris Clemons (Dolphins)to be brought in.at a reasonable price. Howie stated today that the Eagles will not go into the draft with a hole at safety. That makes a team reach for the Jaquain Jarrets of the world.

daggolden
daggolden
February 5, 2014 5:35 am

Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor have skyrocketed the price of safeties this offseason. Half the teams in the NFL need/want safeties from Washington to Dallas there will be bidding wars on FA safeties and most teams have plenty of cap space.The LOB has made a lot of money for big physical FA and draft day DBs.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 5, 2014 6:36 pm
Reply to  daggolden

We got plenty of room under the cap! We need to spend the money and get Byrd or Ward in here!

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 7:57 am

Free-Afent Wish List

1) Safety TJ Ward (Browns) Mike Mitchell
(panthers)
2) CB Walt Thurmond (Seahawks)
Or Nolan Carrol (Dolphins)
3) DL Arthur Jones (Ravens) Lamarr Houston (Raiders)
Linval Joseph (Giants) Michael Bennett (Seahawks)
4) Guard Jon Assmoah (Chiefs) or Geoff Schwartz (Chiefs)
5) WR/Returnnan Ted Ginn Jr (Panthers)
6) An experienced Kicker to compete with Alex Henerey
7) QB Thaddeous Lewis (Bills)

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 7:58 am
Reply to  paulman

Then Draft Safety, OLB, Pass Rusher, WR,CB & OL

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 5, 2014 8:26 am

Paulman u want them to sign all those players or just some of them cause I would get rid of Bradley fletcher and take Thurmond and I’ve said for the longest ted ginn is a must get him in her on a 3 yr deal don’t know to much about those guards from kc but if either comes here herreamans is gone and I don’t think they will get a good safety in fa the way howie talks they are gonna be shopping at Forman mills instead of macys smh if Byrd becomes free and doesn’t want a arm and a leg I take him but his injury history scares me so I would lean more to tj ward since our d.c knows him from his days with the browns the yd from giants I think he will demand a lot of money plus I just read something that Bennie Logan said that he was gonna play next year at least at 320+ so let’s hope it was the truth and guys like Arthur jones and Houston I don’t think they are gonna wanna come here cause they will want to start unless you get rid of cox like said before. Even if you can get a late 1st for cox I would do it

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 9:29 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I would be happy want just one player from each Position…

These Players I listed are all 27 Years old or Younger so they are in their Primes now and all have 3-4 Years in the NFL so they know what it’s like to be a NFL Pro player
I believe M Bennett, A Jones, L Houston or L Joseph would all be solid Rotational Players and play 25-30 Snaps a Game so I would not throw crazy $$$ at either of them
I envision of a DL of 6 Players (Cox,Thornton,Logan,Curry, one of these Free-Agents and a Draft Pick) all Rotating in and out.. Slide Cox inside as a Pass-rushing DT when going with a 4-3 Alignment on Passing Downs and use Curry or Cole as a Pass-Rushing DE when going to a 4-3 Pass-Rush D/Line

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 5, 2014 9:39 am
Reply to  paulman

I think Michael Bennett signed a 2 year 13 million deal last year, I don’t think he is available

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 10:08 am

Per various NFL -Free Agent Lists, Michael Bennett is listed and must have only signed a 1 Year Deal with the Seahakws last Off-Season, Many Fans forget that Bennett had a couple nice Seasons with the Tampa Bay Bucs before joining the Seahawks and who many were surprised to see that they let him walk last Off-Season, so he is not a 1 Year Wonder in my opinion.. He’s a Good Football Player and 28 Years old and can play up and down the line …

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 5, 2014 10:38 am
Reply to  paulman

Paulman all of those dline man are gonna want to start hell they start now why would they want to come here and be backups if the eagles sign any if them to me it means there gonna get rid of cox cause I just don’t see them getting rid of Thornton cause he is those guys he is someone u never heard of but plays well I think cox will be traded to a 4-3 team this offseason wheather they get 1st or 2 second rd picks is up in the air

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 5, 2014 10:43 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Paulman I also think vinny curry will be traded for 3rd pick to a 4-3 team

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 11:08 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I can seee Curry Traded, but more like a 5th Round Pick
He as a 2nd Round Pick 2 Years ago and hasn’t done much since being Drafted and will not return a 3rd Round..
Maybe he can be packaged to the Falcons with a late 6th/7th Round Pick from the Eagles for their 3rd or 4th

As far as DL Playing Time goes
Look at Kelly’s and DL COach Arazzano’s past, they like to play 6-7-8 DL to keep them Fresh during the Games and keep them fresh over a 16 Game Schedule..
Look at the Seahawks DL, they play 7-8 Players all game long and look how much energy they bring to the table
The Days of lining up the same 3 or 4 DL and have them playing 60-65 Snaps a game are long gone.. The Good Teams rotate their DL in and out so as to stay fresh ..(Seahawks,49ers,Panthers,Bengals) are just a few Teams that have been doing this for a while, the Giants & Patriots have done this for years as far as rotating…
It’s the direction that Defenses are going to..
With more Teams playing more up-tempo and running 70-75 Snaps a game, QUality Depth all across the board becomes more critical in keeping a Defense Fresh

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 5, 2014 11:34 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

They can get a third for curry he has pass rush skills he just doesn’t fit the 3-4 as cox doesn’t

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 7:06 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I disagree about the Value of Curry
draft Picks are like New Cars, soon as you drive off the lot, the depreciate quite a bot unless your a Soecial Player..
Curry a mid 2nd Rounder 2 Tmyears ago and blahs shown little for a Tram to give up a 3rd Rounder (Which is Top 100 Players) from another Team to give up without seeing any consistent production, which Curry has not done..
Just like Brandon Graham who was a 1st Rounder 3-4 years ago,
eagles would be fortunate to get a 5th/6th for him at this point..
Every Team thinks their High Picks (First 3 Rounds)
Are going to make an impact
I think the best Case for the Eagles, since they are Selecting @ # 22 each Round is to move up 10-15 Spots in the Mid-Rounds 4th-5th By trading a Curry or Graham but will not get an Teams stand alone Pick with either of these Players without being part of a Package Deal..

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 5, 2014 10:18 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Paulman I see them getting a third for curry a4th for cole and a 5th for graham and if they did get rid of him they can get a 3 rd for Ryan’s

DCar
DCar
February 6, 2014 1:36 am

e0, ill-informed, & wrong as usual! He signed a 1 year contract. Like I’ve told you in the past, stop looking to irrationally argue, & educate yourself, & do a little research, before trying to correct people!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 5, 2014 9:02 am

Richard Sherman and Michael Bennett are insinuating they figured out the Broncos audible signals during the game — they not only physically beat up the broncos it appears they out smarted them also

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 5, 2014 9:04 am

Who was it in the last SB…(Sharper I think) who also said he had figured out what Indy was doing and knew the slant was coming (well, so did I, its a Manning staple whenever the pressure mounts)

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 5, 2014 9:27 am

I think it’s called a hot route

andrew p
andrew p
February 5, 2014 12:20 pm

I just read Matt Cassel just opted out of his contract, does he follow Musgrave and become our backup QB and if so, would he be a good pickup for us?

DonP
DonP
February 5, 2014 12:21 pm

Every time I hear Earl Thomas name I want to fukin strangle Andy reid

DMAN
DMAN
February 6, 2014 3:00 am
Reply to  DonP

No, strangle Roseman…he’s the one who wanted to move up and grab the soon to be traded Brandon Graham

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 1:03 pm

Arizona Cardianls WR larry Fitzgerald re-structured his Contract to give
the Cardinals some Salary Cap relief.. He was slated to earn or have a cap hit of $18 Million for 2014 and he re-structured it down to $10 Million to be able to aloow Arizona re-sign some of their Core Players (LB Dansby and DL Rucker)
Wonder if D-Jax would ever even consider re-doing his Deal.. Fat Chance

andrew p
andrew p
February 5, 2014 4:55 pm

Falcons just let Asante Samuel go, should the Eagles take a shot at bringing him back on a one year deal ?

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 5:13 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Absolutely not.. CB Samuel was toast 2 Years ago and has played very poorly
for the last few Seasons.. I believe his Career is over unless a Team gets a lot of injuries at the CB Postion come Camp Time.. Stay away from this Cancer

btc24
btc24
February 5, 2014 5:16 pm
Reply to  andrew p

No thanks. I don’t think he fits the mold of what Chip and Howie are doing. I also don’t think he has anything left. That defense was pretty bad this year and if they’re cutting CBs, there’s good reason for it.

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 5:50 pm
Reply to  btc24

Falcons used their Top 2 Draft Picks last Draft on CB’s
They both played quite a bit and Samuel is not a full-time player any longer
and carries a big Salary.. No brainer move by the Falcons
Watch almost every game and you see #22 Chasing a Receiver down the field for a TD.. He got burned so many times this year it was embarrasing to watch and of course he isn’t going to help anyone in against the running game.. He was goosd in his time, but one thing I like to point out is that the Eagles have always had a good sound Secondary until Samuel signed with them.. Each they that Secondary got a little worse, a little worse and finallly were terrible in Samules final 2 Seasons in Philyl.. I am not blaming him for their Safety Play has sucked for years (yes, even in B Dawks final 2 Seasons) but that do you your own thing attitude, and i just sit back and jump routes and get 6-8 INt’s a Season while giving up big play after big play and not Tackling anyone just never sat well with me…

andrew p
andrew p
February 5, 2014 5:36 pm

What about Matt Cassel as our backup? He just opted out of his contract, could their be a reunion with Musgrave?

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 5, 2014 6:41 pm
Reply to  andrew p

No… The Eagles like Barkley…we need to draft a young QB to develop with some mobility and arm strength. Have some competition for the backup…and if Foles gets hurt or suddenly becomes ineffective….we have a viable QB….Matt Cassel is a poor option!

andrew p
andrew p
February 5, 2014 7:17 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Theirs no way the Eagles are going with a rookie and a second year guy as backups, their definitily bringing in someone with NFL starting experience, look no further then the Packers this past year without a backup without NFL starting experience, nobody in their right mind would say Barkleys two mob up time he played qualifies him as someone with NFL starting experience.

paulman
paulman
February 5, 2014 7:38 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Which is why I like QB Thaddeous Lewis & yes Mark Sanchez to get a good look by the Eagles as a Back-Up.. Both have NFL Experience and can move around and handle the ball a bit..
And Not an immobile QB like Cassell, McCown, Gary Anderson, etc

DCar
DCar
February 6, 2014 1:15 am
Reply to  paulman

Mark Sanchez???? Off your meds again paul?

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 5, 2014 8:35 pm

Yeah…that’s why the Eagles would do well to draft a QB high this year. They should not just hand the back up job to Barkely…the Eagles should do some wheeling and dealing …perhaps get another 2nd rounder and pick up a Derek Carr get some competition in camp! We dont need Mark Sanchez , Lewis, or Matt Cassel….if Foles goes down or becomes really unproductive…those guys dont give you much. We should get another young QB that gives us some options either as a qualify backup-or a possible starter for the future

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 6, 2014 4:23 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Yesterday you said that picking a QB (Barkley) with the 4th rounder was stupid because the Eagles needed help elsewhere. That a pick at safety would be better. That it was a wasted high pick.

Today you are saying the Eagles need to use another top pick (a 2nd rounder no less) on another QB (despite the coaching staff comtinually expressing their happiness with Barkley). If they do that (unnecessary) they will again be neglecting another position.

So….which is it? A high pick on a QB is a waste because there is need at other positions, or a high pick on a QB is a necessity??

I get it….IF the QB pick is someone you like, then its necessary, but if its someone you do not like, then its a waste.

Charlatan.

Get it through your head – They have a 24 yr old Qb who set NFL recdords and went 8-2. They have a 23 year old QB who they continually praise.

You’re not going to see a pick on a QB this year, no matter how hard you cross your fingers.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 6, 2014 7:57 am

Vinnie your pathetic…you are so desperate you resort to lying…yesterday I did NOT say picking a QB with the 4th rounder was ‘stupid’ at all. I said that there needs to be competition at the backup QB spot. The Eagles are saying that Barkley was hurt, that his arm is better now.
Its Chip Kelly who insists that you need TWO good QB’s …Foles has missed games due to injury both of his years here…it makes no sense to go and get Cassel..he is no fit for the offense and he simply is not that good.
Fool!
What I said was that the Eagles should do some wheeling and dealing if possible…can they move up, what will the board be like…if the receiver Evans is gone, there are no DT or DL that the Eagles value as 1st round quality picking at 22…can they trade down and grab a QB with some extra picks…we have to see how it will shake out.
Face the facts Vinnie…the Eagles are not sold on Foles yet…and they dont have to be…this is a contract year for him….if he shows that last year was not a fluke padding the stats against inferior teams…and he goes on to have a great season and we win a playoff game…he is set…big contract on the way.
But if he falters, cracks under the pressure…and shows he is not a prime time player…then no need to give him a big contract…we should be prepared for both scenarios by having a good, starting quality QB has a back up who can also serve as an answer to our long term needs if Foles folds under pressure!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 6, 2014 4:38 am

What people don’t seem to understand……

You guys have got to get out of the “win now” philospophy. Its not how Roseman goes about business (or at least shouldn’t). Teams that lurch from ‘need’ to ‘need’ become the Detroit Lions.

What is the Eagles’ biggest ‘need’ right now??

Safety. No question.

They will not draft a safety with one of their top 2 picks. That would be a shortsighted choice.

WHY NOT?

Because the GM must have vision. There may be an immediate need at Safety right now, but there is a more important, and more glaring hole at LT coming down the road.

There are several things a GM must consider:

1 – Starting (and competent) tackles are more important than safties
2 – It takes longer to develop a competent tackle than it does a safety
3 – Tackles can have longer career than safeties, thereby maximizing the value for a high pick.

If Roseman was only looking at this upcoming season, then yes, I think safety/CB would be on the radar this draft, but Peters is signed through next year then will be a 35+ yr old free agent. He’s gone, and Howie needs to find that replacement. If Johnson is the replacement, then they need a replacement for Johnson. Herremans is nearing the end also.

The logical move is an OT now, have him groomed for a year, then either him or Johnson to LT and the other at RT. Then you are set protecting the team’s most valuavble asset (QB) for a decade.

I think you are also going to see another TE or WR early…..They’ll be looking at setting up the Offense for when Foles hits his prime in a couple of years (27-31).

The concentration on D will begin after the O has been taken care of first.

D players can adjust to NFL quicker than O players can….especially Olinemen and Qbs. They need those years of seasoning together.

Birds going safety now is a shortsighted move, addressing a problem now, but creating a larger problem (the hole at tackle) the following season.

Next year will be the ‘D’ draft

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2014 6:46 am

It takes longer to develop tackles but 4 was drafted in the top 10 last year. Jason Peters was dominant at times 1 year after surgery. They will not pick a tackle in the first 2 rounds. Every team has the win now philosophy stop fooling yourself. This isn’t the NBA. If Calvin Pryor is there at 22 he will be drafted. Also they won’t be bringing back both Maclin and Cooper, Howie has all but admitted that. They’ll go WR before Oline.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2014 6:51 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Not every good starting tackle was a first round pick, oline will be addressed but not early, they need to be more concerned with Herremans than a tackle.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 6:47 am

I hear what choir saying Vinnie,
But NFL GM’s can’t have too long of a plan or they get Fired before their Cobtravts are up (Which is not Jeff Lurie’s style)
Anyways, Eagles have Alan Barbree who can Play LT
And Dennis Kelly who can play RT ..
I do agree that an OT is needed in this Draft
But not in the First 2-3 Rounds
There are some Young ones to groom that can be had
In the mid-rounds..
The first 3 Sekections need to be Defense
And Secondary & Pass a Rusher
Let’s see the Eagles lose both WR Cooper & Maclin
To Free-Agency, then a WR is needed big time
With an early pick
I believe Eagles will concentrate on DL in this Free-Agency since it’s not very Deep in the Draft and add 1-2 Players along with a Safety, then use the Draft to ups grade Secondary & OLB & WR ..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 6, 2014 7:31 am

I think an edge pass rusher is the most important need on the team. Fletcher Cox and Trent Cole received the most snaps in that role. Cole is 31 years old and Fletcher Cox isn’t very good as an edge rushing.
But if Howie has an OT rated higher than an edge rusher or CB then that will be the selection. Jeff Lurie is going to try and duplicate San Fran’s current success model ( Gamble ) and his own previous success model with draft picks.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2014 7:37 am

I wouldn’t mind seeing the eagles sign Jason worilds, Chris Clemens and Sam shields cause when you listen to howie talk I don’t see them going after tj ward or Byrd and it would tell you a lot if they don’t sign a olb in fa cause where they are picking it’s difference makers at that spot and there not gonna trade up so the dion Jordan rumor maybe true cause i would give the Miami a 2nd and vinny curry or Brandon graham or Trent Cole cause I just don’t see them drafting a olb in the first it either be wr,safety or cb maybe dline depends on what they do with cox.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 6, 2014 8:02 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

gloomy they have to get one of those safeties…Ward or Byrd…and I prefer Byrd! We need experience back there and we cant go another year with such subpar safety play!..Giving up a 2 AND Curry or Graham is too much for Dion Jordan…we do need another inpact defense player…I think we should go DT or linebacker..use free agency to shore up the safety spot, draft another quality QB, and see how it falls out

andrew p
andrew p
February 6, 2014 8:02 am

If they draft a safety then what do they do, play him alongside someone who played in 5 games last year (Wolff )? I don’t see it happening, I see them getting a safety in FA and drafting the best player on their board at 22, theirs a couple big hard hitting safety’s that will be there in the second round though, I wouldn’t mind seeing them pick one up there.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2014 8:08 am

Yeah I see them going after the low in guys at safety chris Clemons,Mitchell from the panthers, captain guy from bears, mane Malcolm Jenkins from the saints but not tj ward or Byrd unless they both drop there asking price last I heard on Byrd was he wanted to the highest paid safety in history do you think howie is gonna give him that money

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 6, 2014 8:56 am

gloomy i doubt it..I dont think they see next year has a year that they can go deep in the playoffs..but safety is such an essential position in today’s NFL. I think they should spend the money and I dont trust the draft for that spot…I want an experienced but young safety..Byrd and Ward fits that description…

btc24
btc24
February 6, 2014 10:57 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Word is coming out that Byrd is likely to resign with Buffalo and Ward could be franchised. Hopefully just rumors. My concern with Byrd is his injury history combined with the money he is going to want. Ward might be the better option (all things considered).

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 11:04 am
Reply to  btc24

Eagles need to Sign a Veteran Strong Safety
Byrd is a Free-Safety and too many injuries issues with his feet for my liking
I like Eagles to pursue TJ Ward, Mike Mitchell, Donte Whitner or Bethea as the Strong Safety to replace Chung who needs to be flat out released
Then Draft Free-Safety Calvin Pryor,Dion BaileyDontae Johnson
along with resiging Nate Allen and then you have a Safety Corps
of Free Agent Signing, Nate Allen, Earl Wolff and a solid Draft Pick

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2014 9:24 am

Howie is cheap I would go after the cb from the titans if it was me

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2014 9:25 am

Sign chris Clemons and Nate Allen get either Sam shields or the cb from titans and ur secondary is set

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2014 8:35 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

We don’t need an old, and injury history riddle Chris Clemons, just a dumb suggestion….

If Nate Allen is re-signed it should be to relegate him to special teams exclusively, and as veteran backup…..He is not a starter.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 9:34 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I think he means the Safety Chris Clemons from the Dolphins and not the ex-Eagle DE who Plays for the Seahawks

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2014 12:06 am
Reply to  paulman

Thanks for clarifying that Paul….

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 6, 2014 10:51 am

Koolbreeze spins his wheel of “essential in today’s NFL” and today it lands on…….SAFETY.

Now Safeties are essential in “today’s NFL”

It would be a complete waste of resources to spend a high pick on a safety. Improve the lines and the DB play will also improve.

You know how many picks in the top 4 rounds your new favourite team, the Seahawks, spent on DBs over the past 4 drafts?

1. On Thomas in 2010.

Otherwise, all their top D picks when where they should….everything in the top 3 rounds went DT, DT, DE, LB…..because that’s where smart teams put value in the first couple rounds.

A first round safety ito the Eagles is a wasted pick as they have bigger longer-term issues to solve…namely Thomas leaving after next year, heremans fading, and the lack of a pass rush….all more important than safety.

6′ 230lb guys who run fast are a dime a dozen. 6′ 7″ 300 lbs guys are harder to find. (planet theory)

Eagles take an OT with the 22nd pick. A TE or WR with #2 as they continue to re-tool the offense. Probably looking for pass-rushers rounds 3-4….then, if they’re smart, head to look for safety/CB help in rounds 4-5. But in reality, the heavy defensive makeover will begin at the 2015 draft.

And keep dreaming for your magical top round QB choice….’cause that isn’t happening either. The Eagles think they are set there for a long while.

I do think they’ll pick up a safety in FA though…..hopefully the guy from Cleveland.

andrew p
andrew p
February 6, 2014 10:55 am

As for another offensive weapon, how would free agent Dexter McCluster look in Eagle green? You would have your scat back that everyone says we need and your kick n punt returner too, if I’m the Eagles I’m trading Bryce Broen for whatever I can get n jumping on him, you could probably get him cheap since he doesn’t come with a specific position.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 11:08 am
Reply to  andrew p

No go on Dexter McCluster, another player who misses 4-5 Games every Season.. There are plenty of “Scat Backs” in this Draft Class that will cost the Team 500-600K as a late Round Draft Pick who have fresh legs as opposed to McCluster who will command a couple million Per Season
plus Sign-On Bonus

mhenski
mhenski
February 6, 2014 11:15 am
Reply to  paulman

surprised at that response. mccluster was ur boy paul

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 11:57 am
Reply to  mhenski

He was coming out of College 3-4 Years ago, but has never stepped it up to be a consistent Player in the NFL.. and man this guys gets hurt at a drop of a pin.. misses a lot of practice’s and just doesn’t seem to play up to his talent level.. which is a shame.. but 4 years in the NFL and what has he done… Not much.. He’s KC version of the Eagles Brandon Graham…. Where’s the Beef…

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2014 3:26 pm
Reply to  paulman

Just like Brandon Graham? When did he play in the pro bowl I must have missed that.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 3:49 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Dexter McCluster has underperformed for the Chiefs just like Graham has for the Eagles, But at least the Chiefs dudn’t move up 13 Spots and trade away 2 other Draft Picks to select him in the 1st Round like the Eagles did with Graham…
That move still hurts to this day..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2014 7:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

How the hell do you under perform and make the pro bowl?

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 7:26 pm
Reply to  paulman

Pro-Bowl as 3rd/4th Sub who take place of Players in the Super Bowl/Playoffs or backs out due to injuries etc, etc..
McCluster is not an impact Player and gets hurts too oftener to be on my Team.. Just my Opinion of course, players like him that touch the ball 4-5 Times a game are a dime a dozen.. He’s has 1 Solid Season out of 4 , no thnx

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2014 7:57 pm
Reply to  paulman

No he didn’t replace anyone he was voted on to the team, what are you talking about? He is an impact player for KC dude even mentioning him in the same conversation with Brandon Graham is stupid. He would instantly upgrade the return teams in Philly and negate the need of drafting someone like a DeAnthony Thomas.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 6, 2014 9:52 pm
Reply to  paulman

Big L, don’t waste your typing muscles man. He’s only good for looking at nfldraftscout.com and basing everything off of that.. He’s a joke..

For him to say McCluster has underperformed is stupid talk. How does a pro bowler underperform? They’ve had terrible coaches for years, they now have a quality coach in Andy and he gets voted to the pro bowl. Get a clue Fraudman…

frankdialogue
February 6, 2014 12:30 pm

The Eagles should bring in Tim Tebow as a backup QB, as he is mobile and will ‘fit Chip Kelly’s system’.

As far as FA WR, Terrell Owens is out there, and you can be sure we will be in good physical shape…He could be had for a minimum salary with incentives, and could have his own special smoothie, which he would then have marketing rights for…A ‘no brainer’.

On the more serious side, I suggested Donte Whitner quite a while back as a strong safety pickup…It would depend on what he wants as far as salary, but he may be looking for a new environment to work in, and might be a nice fit for the Eagles.

DCar
DCar
February 6, 2014 2:22 pm
Reply to  frankdialogue

Tebow, & TO????? Bar opened a little early today, huh frank????

DCar
DCar
February 6, 2014 2:23 pm
Reply to  DCar

Thanks for the laugh!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2014 8:36 pm
Reply to  DCar

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2014 3:46 pm

Mike Neal anybody

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 3:53 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Just read an article on him.. Looks like Player and probably not a big contract
Had a strong final 6-7 Weeks for the Packers while Matthews was out..

greenfan
greenfan
February 6, 2014 4:07 pm

Seems like it has been forever since there was a new article about the Birds on this site.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 4:44 pm
Reply to  greenfan

GMCliff said no more New Articles until he gets everyone’s list of NFL Prospects…. Get yours in Greenfan..

greenfan
greenfan
February 6, 2014 4:52 pm
Reply to  paulman

Lol. Good one Pman. I put a couple picks in earlier. I rely on the draft guru’s on here for the lists, and then see what starts happening after the combine. With free agency starting first, I would like to see who they are targeting and who they plan on resigning before laying out the draft. It should give a clearer picture of how they proceed in the draft once we see some signings, or not, during this period.

PASTE IT

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 5:11 pm
Reply to  greenfan

This Draft can go in many Directions

1) Let’s say the Eagles fail to re-sign Cooper/Maclin for whatever Reason, then Getting 1 to 2 WR’s in this Draft becomes Critical..
2) If Eagles sign some Free-Agent Secondary Players..
3) If Eagles sign some Free-Agent D/Line Players ..

Should be Fun to watch it unfold.. by Mid/Late April, we should have a much clearer picture of their Draft Strategy based on what happens in Free -Agency ..

2 Things I do know…

This Draft Is Deep at OL, WR and CB’s
but It’s not very Deep along the DL,LB,Safety,TE & QB Position’s

For Teams in need of DL, LB & Safety Help, the will need to get them in the Top 2-3 Rounds for the Depth is just not there … (and I believe these are the Eagles biggest needs going into the Off-Season)

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2014 4:44 pm

Paulman that’s the kind of guy the eagles would look to get and then draft a development one in the 4th rd

andrew p
andrew p
February 6, 2014 5:18 pm

I still believe Musgrave is bringing one of those QBs over with him from the Vikings, I say Matt Cassel but I wouldn’t be surprised if they pickup Josh Freeman, I think that’s somebody Chip wouldn’t mind developing, he’s still young and can move, yes, we all know about his drop off but he did out yo done big numbers at one time, sometimes a change of scenery does wonders.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2014 6:16 pm
Reply to  andrew p

I thnk Musgrave wants as far away from the Vikings QB’s as possible.
I was thinking of Josh Freeman the other day.. Tall in the Pockey, bigh Arm but he actually doesn not move around all the great and is by no means a Dual-Threat QB .. He’s more like a Jason Campbell which is a Pocket QB and since the Eagles already have Foles/Barkely, they need a back-up who can handle the ball, be mobile and move around a bit..
and when you look around the Free-Agent QB’s there are not many atlehetic,mobile QB’s out there that have any experience
maybe a Tavaris Jackson, Thaddeous Lewis, Mark Sanchez (when he gets cut)

DCar
DCar
February 7, 2014 12:30 am
Reply to  andrew p

Yeah, lets bring over those stud Viking QB’s?????? That’s why they will draft another 1st rounder this year!

DCar
DCar
February 7, 2014 6:34 am

My new plan. Will probably change again. XD
Re-sign- Cooper, Thornton, Jones. All else walk.
Cut- Chung, Hennery, Avant, Celek, Benn (All, saves us about $12.24M).
Restructure- Casey, Peters, Herremans, Williams, Cole, & Fletcher.
Sign FA’s- SS TJ Ward, NT Linvale Joseph, CB Tarell Brown, K Graham Gano/ Nick Folk.
Trade Graham, for a 3rd. Curry for a 3rd. Bryce Brown for a 4th & 6th.
Draft
1st- FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix/ Calvin Pryor
2nd- Jerrimiah Attaochu.
3rd(1)- SS Deonne Buccannon
3rd(2)- OG Gabe Jackson.
3rd(3)- WR Martavis Bryant.
4th(1)- ILB Lamin Barrow.
4th(2)- NT Justin Ellis.
5th(1)- DE Brent Urban/ De’Andre Coleman.
5th(2)- KR/RB D’Anthony Thomas.
6th- OT Justin Britt.
7th- Aaron Colvin (if he drops).

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 7:51 am
Reply to  DCar

Good Plan DCAr
I do ‘t see how you get a 3rd Rd Pick for Graham & Curry each
I also don’t see a 4th & 6th from RB Brown…
I believe all can be used to move up in a around some 10-15 Positions
But not receive any higher than a 5th Rounder stand alone from any of these. Players… RB’s are a dime a dozen and rarely return multiple picks
Let alone mid round picks for a back-up..
Restructuring Peters make no sense, he earns $10 Million which is middle of the pack for LT’s and he’s still one of top 3 in all the NFL
You would create a bad locker room by restructuring 5-6 Veteran Players deals which would permeate the entire Locker Room and send a poor message to what Kelly & Company are trying to put together..
and especially when the Eagles presently have $20 Million of Cap Space..
It’s one thing if they were tight or over the Cap but very risky to do
At this point.. If Veterans have to take cuts for a Winning/Playoff Team
for a steam well under the Cap, the perception is that Eagles are cheap and don’t live up to their Contracts therefore putting the feeling that no Players want to come or stay with Eagles long term when their Deals are up

DCar
DCar
February 7, 2014 3:08 pm
Reply to  paulman

You don’t think Graham, nor Curry, can get you a 3rd? Yes they can. Restructure Peters, because he is 32, an injury concern, & $10M is too much. What have the Eagles always done, even with Weaselman? Restructure. Needs to be done to the overpaid, & underperformed. There will be cuts, & there will be restructuring, due to either dead money issues, or overpaid.

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 4:29 pm
Reply to  DCar

How did Jason Peters underperform
Didn’t he make the All-Pro & Pro Bowl again??
They screw with his Contract, he will become a major distraction and probably hold out, in fact I would not be surprised if he even demand an extension & raise.. Look at the Deals that OT Trent Williams,
Joe Staley, J Bushrod, Jake Long , Ryan Ckady received the past 2 Off-Seasons.. These LT are playing a Premium Pisition and we all remember tge turnstile the LT Position became when Peters missed the 2012 Season with Demetress Bell, King Dunlap, etc..
There is no way the Eagles are going thru that again..

Graham a 4th or 5th Round at Best
Curry a 4th/5th Rounder at Best also

I trade Graham & a 7th Rounder to the Falcond for their
4th Pick and maybe get some action

Curry I keep for 1 more Season
Cole I keep for 1 more Season

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 4:31 pm
Reply to  paulman

Makes that their (Falcons) 4th Round Pick

DCar
DCar
February 8, 2014 9:29 am
Reply to  paulman

paul, it’s all about age, my man. Teams release, & rework players contracts every year. Rightfully so, or not. In this case, it is warranted. If he bitches & moans, you release him. I don’t care what bogus Pro-Bowl he made. Plain & simple. You can’t take a chance on a 32 YO Offensive lineman, who is over 330+ lbs, with an Achilles tendon timebomb, that can go off at anytime! We luckily staved off a disaster last year, now you think we should give him an extension, & raise? I don’t agree with you about the worth off Graham, & Curry, & in no way, would Weaselman either. In the right system, & scheme, Curry & Graham, can be productive players. Graham & Curry are 4-3 DE’s, not rushing OLB’s, nor DE’s, in the 3-4.

paulman
paulman
February 8, 2014 9:46 am
Reply to  DCar

32 is not ok’d for OL
Runyan/Thomas still played at a high level until their mid
30’s.. Walter Jones, Ogden, Matthews all played well until their
Mid 30’s and besides, who is ready on Eagles Roster to step in to be the every day LT, that’s right no one..
Draft a OT this Year to groom and maybe Lane Johnson can slide to LT by 2015, but he’s not ready to do so in 2014
, nor is Dennis Kelly.. Alan Barbree is not a bad back-up but I am not sure you want to go into 2014 with an unproven LT with still a young QB in Foles, who h is recipe for disaster
Peters at $10 Million is a steal in terms of Contracts signed recently for LT so let Peters and his Contract remain as is and worry about the other 4-5 Positions that needed upgrading
Peters will be an issue to deal after next Season,
But not now in my opinion..

paulman
paulman
February 8, 2014 11:44 am
Reply to  paulman

Should be 31-32 is not Old for OL
Jason Oeters has 2 more Solid Seasons left..
He started slow last Season but was pkaying very well
Down the Stretch.. A 85-90% Peters is still better than whatever options the Eagkes gave for 2014

andrew p
andrew p
February 7, 2014 8:43 am

I just read the Jets are targeting Macklin, I guess Marty M is having more say over there, I hope it doesn’t happen, our receivers need an upgrade, I don’t care how good he played, Cooper is not a number two and we can’t go into the season with him there, I’ll take Macklin over a draft pick.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 7, 2014 9:24 am
Reply to  andrew p

only so many footballs – McCoy, DJax then everyone else —
Maclin knows he will always be 3rd option at best here

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 9:37 am
Reply to  andrew p

I would expect Maclin to receive multi-year Offers from the Jets,Chiefs,Colts and possibly the Rams & Vikings and would not be surprised to see him leave for a better, longer Term Deal.. I see the Eagles only offering him a 1 Year Deal due to his various Injuries he has had over his 4 Years with the Eagles where he has missed 21 of his 80 Games in his 5 Year Career (26%)

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 7, 2014 9:29 am

That’s a lie cause if Maclin came back this year and had a career year I think they would get rid of djack next year and have a big wr with Maclin

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 7, 2014 9:30 am

I just seen a bunch of mock drafts from last year and all of them had ertz in the 1st rd so I guess the eagles got two 1st rd picks last year

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 9:40 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

There were many Mocks that did have Ertz going late in the 1st Round last Year.. I bet the Patriots wished they grabbed him but thought they were set with Aaron Hernandez/Gronkowski .. Now they have no legititmate TE on their Roster , Just shows how things can change and often do so in the NFL…

larrwd
larrwd
February 7, 2014 10:17 am

Nate allen actually hit people this year.. But id like to see us draft Calvin pryor .. wolff cant stay healthy

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 7, 2014 10:31 am
Reply to  larrwd

was it that Nate played better or Chung was so bad, probably both

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 11:04 am
Reply to  larrwd

I agree Larrwd..
I think Nate Allen is more than Serviceable as a “Free-Safety” and Play a Centerfield Type/Deep 1 Cover but must be paired with a True “Strong Safety” who would handle the Physical Part of stopping a Strong Running Team
Allen has never been a very sound Tackler and takes poor angles, drops his head and misses many Tackles for being a little gun shy on the Physical Side of things, but he did play much better in 2013 from really the KC CHiefs Game on and his Fundamentals in Tackling inproved as all the Eagles Defensers did with their new Coaching … Allen has remained relatively Healthy during his Eagles Career and I have no Problem with him returning on a 2 Year Deal with the Eagles, I would not pay him big $$4 by any stretch, but pair him up with a TJ ward, Mike Mitchell and Draft a Clavin Pryor or Deone Bucannon and he can be serviceable for the next Season or 2…
I am not big on Earl Wolff as being a Starter in th NFL and really think he is simply a Back-Up/Special Teamer moving forward..

DCar
DCar
February 8, 2014 9:34 am
Reply to  paulman

Nate Allen is a f^#@ing useless stiff! Because Chung & the rest of the corps was so horrific, is the only reason Allen & Wolff are being looked at through greener goggles! They were like the tallest midgets in the circus. Give me a break!

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 7, 2014 11:50 am

I may not be anymore gcobb site soon for he may be running for congress

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 12:46 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Maybe Ike Reese will take it over….

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 7, 2014 12:54 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

If it is for Rob Andrews seat,G better start kissing George Norcross’s back side then because Camden County is run out of his office chair

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 7, 2014 1:56 pm

G is going to run against George Norcross’s brother Don Norcross — I hope Gary wins and ends that old school corrupt Norcross regime

greenfan
greenfan
February 7, 2014 3:45 pm

I hope that G does run and he wins. You are right about his chances being steep against that machine, but G is a good man. I think that he would do a great job. Too bad I live in PA and can’t vote for him.

GO GCOBB!!

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2014 4:33 pm
Reply to  greenfan

is G-Man running as a Republican or Democrat..

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 7, 2014 11:50 am

It