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Malcolm Jenkins Shows Roseman’s Improvement As GM

jenkinsWhen the Eagles signed Malcolm Jenkins back in free agency, the move was met with very little fanfare and heavy criticism.

Desperate for some kind of competent safety play after watching the likes of guys like Macho Harris, Sean Jones, Marlin Jackson, Nate Allen, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Jarrod Page, and Patrick Chung fail miserably to fill the void left by Brian Dawkins in 2009, people were understandably skeptical when the team went out and made it a priority to bring in Jenkins while passing on the likes of high-priced, big-name free agents Jairus Byrd and T.J. Ward.

Let’s compare the impact that the three safeties have had on their respective teams through the first quarter of the season.

We’ve all seen what Jenkins has done for this defense. He’s come up with three game-changing interceptions in three separate games, including one that he returned 53-yards for a touchdown against the 49ers last Sunday. His picks against Indianapolis and Washington were instrumental in those two victories as well. Jenkins may not be a truly elite safety, but he’s given the Eagles some badly needed stability at the position, and he’s establishing himself as one of this unit’s top playmakers and leaders.

Meanwhile, Jairus Byrd, who cost the Saints $56 million for six years to replace Jenkins, hasn’t exactly made his presence known out in New Orleans. The Saints defense looks as bad as ever, and Byrd has yet to record a single turnover. The Saints’ pass defense has been ripped up by everyone from Tony Romo to Brian Hoyer, and Byrd hasn’t been able to make a difference so far.

T.J. Ward, the other top safety available this winter, has also been relatively quiet in Denver. He’s got one sack, but also hasn’t been involved in any turnovers.

This situation shows how much General Manager Howie Roseman has improved over the last few years. Roseman is beginning to understand how to assemble a winning team. His moves over the last two years have focused on getting players who are just as impactful in the locker room as they are on the field. He learned valuable lessons from the free-agency spending spree of 2011, and understands now that big names and high price tags don’t translate into success on the field.

Sacrificing $56 million to get Jairus Byrd would have been a Dream Team-esque move. It looks good on paper, but it also has the potential to really blow up in your face. Much like Nnamdi Asomugha, who was the prized acquisition in 2011, Byrd had spent his career playing for a terrible organization in the Buffalo Bills. There’s a belief that adding the best guy from a losing team isn’t a good thing. Guys from those franchises might stand out and be the best player on their team, but they don’t know how to win.

Can you imagine the Eagles with Byrd instead of Jenkins right now? If Byrd doesn’t make those plays that Jenkins does, and the Eagles currently stood at 1-3 instead of 3-1, we’d be reliving 2011 and 2012 all over again.

Jenkins had been around a contender during his time with the Saints. He knows what it takes to win, and he was also a key figure in the locker room that a lot of players in New Orleans weren’t happy to lose. Credit Howie Roseman for making the smart decision and not the popular one.

Denny Basens

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SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
September 30, 2014 8:03 am

Let’s also give credit to Rosie for the 10 million that will be shelled out to garbage ass Riley Cooper and the 1st round pick on a prospect called Marcus Smith instead of getting depth at offensive line.

Biglion821
Biglion821
September 30, 2014 11:45 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Yep

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
September 30, 2014 12:20 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

yeah…thanks a lot Rosie!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
September 30, 2014 8:37 am

Marcus Smith, Jaylen Watkins, and Taylor Hart are not NFL players ( 3 misses)
Jordan Matthews is a plug and play successful selection.
Beau Allen is reserve and nice selection for a 7th rounder.
Josh Huff makes or breaks the 2014 Eagle draft for Howie Roseman. Right now the 2014 draft is a poor draft class. If Huff is a NFL starter than the draft can become average.

greenfan
greenfan
September 30, 2014 9:44 am

agree with all E0S. Watkins was no longer starting at FLA his last year there. I do not think he can play in the NFL. Smith was a reach at that pick, and unfortunately they went for a need instead of BPA.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 10:26 am

Forgetting the 5th for Sproles?

Smith isnt an NFL player after 4 games?

Lol nonsense like that is how the Dolphins select Dion Jordan after giving up Carey then he has 12 sacks in year 2 after only 3 in year 1.

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 8:59 am

Howie did well picking up Free-Agents Najee Goode,David Molk, Brandon Bair, Brad Smith, Jeff Maehl at the end of last Season which could be added to the discussion to go along with Special Teams Players Free-Agent Signings in Chris Maragos, Bryan Braman and then Undrafted Free-Agent Trey Burton, with adding Andrew Gardner & Wade Smith…

It will be interesting to see who the Eagles Release when Activating
Lane Johnson for they still thin along the OL, so it may be a Surprise Cut
with another Player — Jeff Maehl, Brad Smith, earl Wolff, Nate Allen, Carey Williams ?? Who Knows but someone will have to go…

antitrust32
antitrust32
September 30, 2014 9:14 am

Paulman they cut Graf, no surprise.

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 9:55 am
Reply to  antitrust32

Thnx – I forget that Graf was even on Roster…

Reports are out that Lane Johnson became a “Born-Again Christian” over his months hiatus and may not be ready for Football until 2015 and perhaps never, depending on what God has in store for him …He may just do Missionary Work instead… Good Luck Lane …

haveacigar
haveacigar
September 30, 2014 10:24 am

but byrd was the shiniest new toy out there! LOL

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 10:33 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Saints Safety Jarius Byrd a Bust, as I expected him to be..

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 12:12 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Hey MORON, Byrd has been the best FS in the NFL for the last 5+ years, but can’t seem to stay healthy. Don’t pound your chest, because one of your front office slurpees, seem to have gotten 1 MOVE right! It’s a long season my man. Let’s see how many more times he gets burned, or how many tackles he misses, before sending him to the HOF. You are a troll & a clueless joke!

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 9:30 am
Reply to  DCar

The Best FS for 5+ Years,. is not even close Dcar
He’s a bum like your other FA Golden Boy from 2 Years ago Dashon Gholston is, and just like I said he would be too…

Get some fresh air, get your Eyes checked…

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 2:20 pm
Reply to  paulman

Who was better FS then paul? You need to clear your senile brain. Get some of that fresh mountain air. Maybe if you stop throwing shit at the wall all of the time, maybe you could decipher between reality & fiction. Use your eyes chief. Gholston was a good safety too. You happy with Allen, Chung, Wolff & any of the other stiffs we’ve had the last several years? I ain’t happy winning the f^#@ing salary cap bowl every year. We are $20M+ under the cap, & continue to sign bargain basement, second options, rotational players, & stiffs! If you are happy with that, you are a clueless nitwit! I’ve been one of your advocate supporters on here, but I’m starting to question your sanity & credibility!

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 2:20 pm
Reply to  DCar

BTW, I was responding to the resident clueless troll, havenoclue, not you!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 10:27 am

Because they didnt upgrade the special teams select Malcolm Jenkins got Darren Sproles..drafted a starter in Matthews etc.

The pessimistic nonsense on this site is nauseating.

haveacigar
haveacigar
September 30, 2014 10:39 am

there were three huge plays on sunday and all three were made by people not on the roster last year…This isn’t a one/two year rebuild…
a key FA when you are on the cusp of a SB…this team is not!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 10:44 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Nah…dont state the obvious on here….before you know its a black white innuendo fest of posts….

or agenda trolls….

never about facts……

lmao

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 11:01 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

It is kind of Funny that you never read many Asian People playing the Race Card here on GCobb….

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 10:59 am

Paulman’s Eagles Mock Draft 2015 (Version # 2)
I have the Eagles Finishing up 11-5 and around thw 26th Pick of Each Round

Rd 1 – DT Carl Davis (Iowa – 6-5 315lbs)
Rd 2 – OT – Cameron Erving (Fla State – 6-5 305lbs)
Rd 3 – CB – Lorenzo Doss (Tulane 5-11 190lbs)
Rd 4 – OLB – Trey Flowers (Arkansas 6-4 265lbs)
Rd 5 – Safety – Jermaine Tartt (Samford 6-1 218lbs)
Rd 6 – Guard – John Miller (Louisville 6-2 320lbs
Rd 7 – ILB – Taiwan Jones (Mich State 6-3 255lbs)

Free-Agents I see the Eagles Pursuing after the Season is over

WR – Jarrett Boykin – (Packers)
OL – James Carpenter (Seahawks)
Center – Stefan Wisniewski (Raiders)
DE – Jaball Sheard (Browns)
OLB – Justin Houston (Chiefs)
CB – Davon House (PAckers)
CB – Shareece Wright (Chargers)

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 11:11 am

I also love how certain folk just throw names out there as replacements and dont do their research.

Like the consensus after the game….it would have been nice to draft an OL instead of Marcus Smith that could play like Sia Fualo(a kid i loved going into the draft) etc etc

Except that same kid is playing like dog shit only got one start because Ben Jones got hurt then was put right back on the bench and his own coach said he will play when he gets better and practices better.

Lol yet after 4 games our guy is a bust and only our front office doesnt know what they are doing.

Some of you dumbasses are pathetic lol.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 11:23 am

The Redskins trot out Tyler Palombus…..and drafted Morgan Moses in the 3rd who was thought to be a STEAL.

He cant even smell the field.

The draft has not yielded any impact players yet…good players yet…Impact Calvin Johnson type or Von Miller type monsters…no.

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 11:49 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Best 2014 1st Round Draft Picks so far in Terms of Production and Contributions to their Teams are the Following

#14 CB – Kyle Fuller – Bears (Good Call GMCliff, replaced injured Tillman)
#16 OT – Zac Martin – Cowboys (3rd 1st Rounder Starter on OL)
#17 ILB – CJ Mosely – Ravens (I think everyone liked this guy and match)
#20 WR – Brandin Cooks – Saints (perfect match for Brees/Saints)
#24 CB – Darqueeze Dennard – Bengals (Coach Marv Lewis does wonders with young Players in terms of Coaching, Mentoring and Opposrtunities)
#28 WR – Kelvin Benjamin – Panthers (Has better hands, route running ability and is quicker than you think)
#31 CB – Bradley Roby – Broncos (Had some baggage, big physical CB who is being mentored by Aquib Talib… will be an All-Pro in 2 years)
#32 QB – Tedy Brdigewater – Vikings (perfect situation for him to sit a few week and learn under Norv Turner, now it’s his Time to play)

mhenski
mhenski
September 30, 2014 12:08 pm
Reply to  paulman

still pissed we didnt get dennard

reed_richards
reed_richards
September 30, 2014 1:06 pm
Reply to  paulman

paulman,

I agree with all of these except Cooks and Dennard. Cooks had a good first game in Atlanta but relatively quiet since. Dennard was inactive in the season opener and is in a battle for the 4th cb spot in Cincinnati with dre Kirkpatrick. he has one sack and seen minimal action at best (certain nickel packages) for the bengals. for the guys who are saying that marcus smith is a bust, please learn the game. most of these first rounders who are dressing are not getting that much playing time at all.

reed_richards
reed_richards
September 30, 2014 1:20 pm
Reply to  reed_richards

I;m not saying they are busts, but they are not lighting up the league either.

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 1:20 pm
Reply to  reed_richards

On Dennard, You are probably right and was having a strong Summer Camp for Bengals, then got dinged in 3rd or 4th Preseason game and has struggled a Bit so I should not have included him this list

I disagree with you about Brandin Cooks production though,
Thru 4 Games – He has 23 Receptions for 200 Yards & 1 TD which prorates to a 90 Catch – 800 Yards & 4 TD’s which is pretty good as a Rookie on a Team where he is the 3rd/4th Option and he also has 3 Rushes for 50 Yards with another 1 TD.. He clearly is still learning his way and needs to get stronger, but this kid’s a playmaker playing on a Offense that will get him the ball in some form or fashion

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 3:05 pm
Reply to  paulman

But you did…..so….

And if thats the case with Cooks…the Eagles are getting similar production from a 2nd round pick in the exact same situation.

And the only player on there the Eagles had a shot at was Benjamin…who 27 other teams passed on and if the Panthers GM was stuck between a rock and a hard place would have passed on as well because they needed OLine help just as bad as him.

Fuller and Mosely are the only two they mentioned that would have made any kind of impact here.

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 11:58 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Not many knowledgeable Football Fans thought Morgan Moses was a Steal at all, In fact, I stated that he was too soft to play in the NFL (Similar to a Jonathon Martin, Danny Watkins type) and very unlikely to make it in the NFL

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 12:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

And just like me you thought Sia Faulo was a monster so far he isn’t….. And yes many thought Moses was a steal in n3rd.

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 1:12 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Name who thought Moses was a Steal (Outside of a “Redskin Homer”)

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 1:09 pm

2014 Round #2 Players who are Contributing nicely to their Teams so far

#35) Guard – Joel Bitonio – Browns Starting Guard to help Solidify a very Good Offensive Line
#42) WR – Jordan Matthews – Eagles, runs good routes, very versatile, makes yards after catch and not afraid to block which is a Chip Kelly requirement and a area that most Young WR’s struggle with coming into NFL
#43) OL – Weston Richburg – Giants starting LG and has helped solidify the Giants OL ..
#50) OLB – Jeremiah Attachou – Chargers , has played very well, is active and making Plays on both Defense and SPecial Teams (Another GMCliff Pick)
#55) RB – Jeremy Hill – Bengals Big Back to split carriers with the smaller scat back of Giovanni Bernardo giving the Bengals a Dynamic-Duo for years to come… (Bengals have had some great recent Drafts)
#59) OL Jack Mewhort – Colts starting LG and has played well and helped the Colts run the ball a little better while blocking well for Franchise QB Luck
#63) WR Jarvis Landry – Dolphins Slot Receiver, Returnman has made some Plays and given QB Tannahill a Slot WR that has been missing in Miami..
#64) OT Justin Britt – Seahawks Starting RT to sure up a weak link in the Seahawks OL…

Round #3 Picks that are Contributing well to their Teams
#73rd ILB Preston Brown – Bills Starting ILB who replaced injured Kiko Alonso and has made 40 Tackles in 4 Games thus far.. ( I liked this kid alot out of Louisville and has fared much better that MS II & Calvin Pryor)
#91st WR John Brown – Cardinals Slot WR with 3 TD’s Receptions over 20 Yards thus far… A very dangerous runner out in space and reminds me a lot of a TY Hilton/D-Jax/A Roberts type of explosive Players, also contributing in the Return game for Cardinals.. The Steal of this Draft who I thought would have been perfect for the Eagles and a great replacement for D-Jax.. Eagles missed this one for sure and should have taken over Josh Huff
#94th RB Terrance West – Browns – a Strong RB who is splitting the carries and offers the Browns a solid 1-2 Punch in the Backfield ans has 200 Yards with 3 TD’s and a 4.3 Yards per Carry average thus far… Another Player I was very high on from Towson State, though Eagles didn’t really need help at RB..
#96th RB Jerrod McKinnon – VIkings a classic Scat Back with Speed, Strength, low center of gravity and very Versatile in the Return, Receiving out of the backfield, Draw Plays and Screen Plays, would have been a great complement for Adrian Peterson’s Pwer game for the Vikings…

4th Round
Mostly RB’s here with Andre Williams of the Giants, Lorenzo Talieferro for Ravens, KaDeem Carey for the Bears all contributing to spell the starters for their respective Clubs
Does anyone notice a Pattern that RB’s are a dime a dozen and can be had up and down a Draft Board..as long as they fit the running schemes of the Teams that Draft them….

I am sure I missed some Players as WR’s Sammy Watkins & Mike Evans have come on since their slow starts and with QB changes with both theeBIll and TB Bucs, maybe they will be more productive and have more opportunities.. OT Jake Matthews is playing better for the Falcons after a Slow Start… DE Jadaveon Clowney has been Injured and now Young QB’s Bortles and Bridgewater will get a chance to play

I did mean to include DT Aaron Donald as the Rams 1st Round Pick who has been very productive and active as a Starter on the Rams so far and off to a great start..

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
September 30, 2014 1:23 pm

Anyone else catch the 15 yard “unnecessary roughness” penalty on the KC defensive player for blocking Brady on the 4th Q interception return?

No where near as bad/dirty as what Foles got. Hey Troy Vincent, I thought that was a legal hit?

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 1:29 pm

Yes and how about the bogus 15 Celebration Penalty on Safety and Muslim Abdullah as he “Prayed” in the End-Zone after his TD Int Return
The NFL is all over the damn board about Penalties and it’s ruining the game

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 3:33 pm

Draft wise my only critique of the draft was not addressing the secondary. If Boykins is not ideal for your defense at the CB position than they should have drafted someone with ideal size for them to have on the side learning and possibly replacing the DoubleTrouble Twins.

This draft was weak in OL. There was nothing of significance for them in the 2nd or 3rd round that would make an impact now.

Even my favoritie lineman in the draft looks likes shit right now. Outside of Martin and the kid the Giants drafted at C(who doesnt look awesome but decent) same people would be bitching why did we reach on OL that cant play blah blah blah.

4 game judgements on the draft when the first two picks are seeing the field…the 3rd will probably see the field, they got Sproles for a 5th(WHICH THOSE DETRACTORS ARE SILENT AS CHURCH MICE ABOUT….HYPOCRITES) and Beau Allen, not to mention was Fluellen drafted or UDFA? Either way he was flipped for a starting kicker….THAT WAS MOCKED….

Last years draft has 3 starters with and a supersub….

Man with that drafting no wonder we are 0-4….

OH WAIT……

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
September 30, 2014 3:50 pm

Greg Roninson Tackle went #2 in first round was moved to Guard…then benched. Khalil Mack still underperforming for an overall #5 pick.a

paulman
paulman
September 30, 2014 4:51 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I believe that WR Mike Evans will produce some nice Stats with QB Mike Glennon at the helm with TB Bucs

Word out in St Louis is that Greg Robinson is not a very hard worker and not the brightest light bulb in the room at the the Rams are very disappointed in his wok ethic..

Khalil Mack has potential but is very raw and not many technigques as he was able to rely on his pure athleticism playing in the MAC Conference but as we all know, the NFL is filled with Athletes and he’s been a little slow
to pick-up on their scheme, gap responsibilities, etc,etc.. but he appears to be a good kid with a strong work ethic so they expect him to improve as he gets more reps,practice and fine tunes his techniques at the NFL Level
This was a miss from GMCliff who stated that K Mack would make an impact from Day 1 which has simply not been the case, per some of my notes on pre-draft run up discussions..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 6:27 pm
Reply to  paulman

Lovie Smith is out of touch and was a terrible hire. Going after McCown was ridiculous and he cut Glennons leg out before he had a chance.

Evans will struggle if they flipflop right back to mcown and Evans was my guy this year. He will have a mediocre season.

Biglion821
Biglion821
September 30, 2014 5:46 pm

With all due respect those cats don’t play for the Eagles so who cares what they do. Same thing applies to Kelvn Benjamin, I just think Marcus Smith wasn’t the right guy at that pick. Who knows how those guys would perform in the Eagles system. Why bring everyone else’s pick when discussing Marcus Smith?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 6:47 pm

2014 draft has yet to look impactful throughout the entire league.

Biglion821
Biglion821
September 30, 2014 8:15 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Okay Izell new topic, Huff said he’s healthy I say give Cooper this week to make an impact and if he doesn’t move Matthews outside and put Huff in the slot or do you wait for the bye week, what do you think?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 9:57 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I give Cooper more time because it’s early but by mid season same results adios.

That’s too much to put on huff so early.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 9:58 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

That lineup is definitely the future lineup.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 10:04 pm

Love to see it after the bye if Huff is making plays.

reed_richards
reed_richards
September 30, 2014 10:28 pm

Izzell and Paulman,

good points. I would also like to see more of Huff. He can’t be any worse from what Cooper is. He has not given us anything this year but drops and inconsistency. He is a 3rd WR AT BEST.. over rated and over paid bigtime

reed_richards
reed_richards
September 30, 2014 10:32 pm

Also Paulman in regards to Cooks. He has done just about the same as Matthews and as of now, Matthews is ahead of him in the stat that really counts, touchdowns. I think its just a matter of time before he is on the outside and Huff is manning the slot. I am so over and done with Cooper and Maehl.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
September 30, 2014 11:08 pm
Reply to  reed_richards

Cooper catches those 2 TDs we are talking about him differently but his production doesn’t warrant any security for him IMO because of him being a lightning rod. Drop TDs at home the next two weeks this town will turn on him.

Guarantee it.

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 12:07 am

Improvement as GM? Really???? $20M+ under the cap! Same holes on DF! Reaches in each of the last 3 drafts! Release your best receiver for NO compensation & not replace him! Resign a WR who had 7 good games in his career for $25M! Yeah he seems to have hit on 1 move, so lets over blow & overhype his evaluation skills! Give me a f^#@ing break!!!!

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 6:47 am
Reply to  DCar

Good points DCar, I just don’t understand the cap money it’s like that every year. I also don’t understand the improvement angle of this article after just 4 games. When you bring up Smith your told how can you call him a bust after 4 games? Shouldn’t that apply to everything after just 4 games?

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 9:41 am
Reply to  Biglion821

The Eagles will have to sign 4-5 Key Core Players to big Contracts
after this Season…
QB Foles, WR Maclin, DL F Cox, LB M Kendricks & CB Boykin and possibly Brandon Graham so that 20+ Million Cap space that they have right now will disappear in a hurry… They are just playing it smart with their Roster Management but should be able to free up some more $$$ with the departures of Trent Cole, Carey Williams, Todd Herremans, James Casey.
No reason to go up to Cap limit for 2014 Season and then have to lose Core Players to other Teams due to having no space…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 9:45 am
Reply to  paulman

Exactly Paul. That 20 million is about 3/4 of Nic Foles signing bonus. They are only bringing Graham back if they are releasing Trent Cole.

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 2:27 pm
Reply to  paulman

Maclin & Foles will not receive big contracts! Graham is gone. Boykin is a slot receiver & will not receive a big contract. Kendricks maybe, but he isn’t healthy & won’t receive shit if he isn’t at the end. You make the playoffs, after going worse to first, you have an obligation to do everything to better your team & fill the holes you have, not egotistically penny pinch, thinking you invented the game. GTFOH! No excuses!

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 2:44 pm
Reply to  DCar

Again great points DCar I also will add why the hell is anyone worried about the Eagles saving cap space that money isn’t going your pockets. They will find a way to pay those guys and if not so damn what.

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 11:55 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Exactly Big. I’m all for spending what you can to better our teams, but we just need legit talent evaluators, to do so. Ruin 2morrow is an abortion, Weaselman is in over his head, Hinkie is suspect at best, & Hextall is in his toddler stages, so he gets a few year pass. I don’t gobble the knobs of the front offices & bow at their alters, believing everything that they spew. like some of the lemmings on here do! I have a perfectly functioning brain, able to think for itself. I don’t live in la la land.

Rhino
Rhino
October 1, 2014 2:35 am

You have a point there DCar..cant even argue that. The eagles have brought back jake knott…Man this kid could have shown something to us fans if not for the 4 game ban…he looked good on the field last year.

skayne
skayne
October 1, 2014 4:06 am

Roseman had a good off-season. When you look at the contributions of Jenkins, Sproles, and Parkey, that is tremendous production out of three pickups this off-season. Parkey is the one that amazes me, because they almost didn’t make that move. Then they bring him in and he nails 2 clutch kicks both over 50 yards in the final preseason game. He’s been money from long distance and he booms the ball out of the end zone on most kickoffs, and the ones that don’t have so much hang time that the cover team gets down there and tackles the ball carrier before he reaches the 20.

The main thing keeping the off-season from being great is letting a Pro Bowl receiver go for nothing, nada in return. Resigning Cooper for 10 mil guaranteed was a straight clown move. The guy is a JAG, you could find a million players with his skillset on the waiver wire right now. They cut Benn, who could do all the same things as Cooper but is a far better athlete. Bringing back Nate Allen, and not finding at least one OLB that can give you some production are also negatives, but overall when you sign 3 players like Jenkins, Sproles, and Parkey, and they reward you with this type of production, you had a good off-season.

greenfan
greenfan
October 1, 2014 11:46 am
Reply to  skayne

Skayne you make a good point about Cooper. Along with the big contract, the guy barely played at all during training camp. He and Foles so not seem like they are on the same page at all, and I agree that at least from this pre-season that Benn at least played, where Cooper sat out. Maybe Huff will end up player better than both of them, but the bottom line is that for over the majority of his pro career Cooper has been an underachiever. He tempts the fans with his tall frame and above average speed, but in the end he does not come up with the big catches when his team needs him. Except for a run of a few games last season, Cooper has never been the redzone target or clutch reciever this team has long needed. Real diasappointment.

haveacigar
haveacigar
October 1, 2014 8:59 am

It is funny and I guess its the nature of being a sports fan. But I always laugh at us internet Gm’s… we want this move, that move, spend this money (even tho we have no idea what teams intentions are with salary cap), make this trade etc.—
I watched an interview with Greg Popovich the other day and he was saying that sometimes reporters/fans give him shit because they haven’t won back to back championships. His response is “winning a championship is great but lets face it to be the last man standing you need to be very good but more importantly have GOOD FORTUNE’ — I would say he is an expert on the subject. teams make moves to try to win but in the end it comes down to a break here, a key injury, lose ball, blown call, hot pitcher or QB.
Look at the Oakland A’s, the best or second best team in baseball at the trading deadline, made a couple of blockbuster trades and are home in October…. shit happens!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 9:35 am

The simple reason withe cap space is because it’s already earmarked. You guys are missing the big picture. That 20 million is gone. It’s on the books for one reason only Nic Foles.

Any GM worth a damn doesn’t limit himself in cap space with the possibility of having to make a franchise QB decision within the year. Throw in extensions for Cox and Kendrick’s their space is gone.

There’s a reason a majority of their contracts have them being able to get out of most by the end of this year. Cooper has a only 3 mill guaranteed coming next year. He got an average deal. Both CBs are gone and probably Allen as well.

The DJax situation is the red mark. Situation got out of hand by how it was handled and that is on Howie and Chip.

However the cap space is overblown. 20 million make perfect sense if your gonna give Foles a 15 mil dollar check guaranteed on signing.

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 9:47 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Your 100% Correct IJ

You have Foles, Maclin, Fletcher Cox, M Kendricks, Boykin all wanting and getting new long term deals to secure the Core of the Team with the Eagles for the long-term moving forward..

Then you have Players like Cedric Thornton,Brandon Graham,Bradley Fletcher, Nate Allen, Najee Goode, who Contract’s are all up after this Season..
I am not saying you want to keep all of these 4 Players but chances are they will keep at least 2 from this group.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 11:07 am
Reply to  paulman

And they are probably lowering McCoys number in the next year or two with some roster bonuses and making his overall salary smaller.

Theres a ton to tweak cap wise on this team and overspending when you have young talent to review would be one of the dumbest things ever.

Jarius Byrd critique or not….the real harm of signing a Byrd is what happens if he can not meet what you pay for. Eagles cant afford to make mistakes like that right now. They arent 1 player away.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 9:43 am

This summer is free agency summer for them if the pieces they need are out there….i.e. Justin Houston or upgrade at ILB or DE/NT.

This isn’t Joe Banner Reid years where they are giving below market deals to young talent. Kelce was paid above market, Peters was extended. They made out like bandits on Jenkins.

Cooper got a 2 year deal that easily could be walked away from. He will be no different than James Casey. A backup they can afford to keep but easily walk away from in 2 years. Casey is gone next year or reworked.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 10:23 am

The lost of Desean Jackson was really a blessing in disguise for the future of this team which actually takes pressure off of Howie concerning the quarterback position.

Desean was an home run hitter that teams had to game plan for every week and usually committed a safety deep on every play giving Chip’s offense space and made it easy for Foles to throw to his strengths (Screens and intermediate passes with players wide open).

The Eagles would have been forced to pay Foles Alex Smith type money if Desean was still here and that would have set this franchise and Chip Kelly back at least 5 years.

So, now we see what we have in this quarterback if teams take away the run and forces Foles to beat them, and don’t give me the offensive line is injured excuse because Foles have been playing like this since the end of last year, into the preseason and every game this season before the offensive line injuries.

Chip’s offense can’t run successfully if the quarterback can’t hit the deep ball in man coverage when the run game is struggling.

Teams know Foles don’t have a strong arm is terribly inaccurate with the long ball and that’s why Foles struggles early in games.

Can Chip reset Foles by getting him comfortable early?

The answer is no, because teams are taking away his comfort plays early with taking away the screens and run game.

The opposing teams are crowding the 10 yards scrimmage daring Foles to throw to his weakness. The long Ball.

So, this alone makes Howies job easier going forward.

You can not pay Foles with a franchise contract.

Alex Smith have a strong arm and moblity and would have definately got to the pylons on that last play.

Chip Kelly’s offenseis now being hindered with Foles weaknesses, and I’m sure he’s going to do everything possible to get his type of quarterback to give his offense multiple options from the quarterback position.

Foles has “0” mobility.

That’s a problem.

Foles has an average arm and an horrible long ball.

That’s a problem.

I actually went back and looked at the big plays over 20 yards last year and over half of those big plays can through the run game and screens.

This is reality year for Foles and I believe with a good quarterback with a srtrong arm and some mobility will automatically make this team a contender.

Even with an average defense.

I will bet anyone here who believe Foles is the answer that Chip Kelly pulls the plug on him before the season ends.

Any takers?

For this reason alone, I’m glad Desean Jackson was cut.

D Jax was right getting mad as hell at the end of the season into the playoff games.

Riunning wide open while Foles checks down to hide the fact he could not get the ball there and that’s why Cooper had a good year.

Djax got tired of stretching the field making everyone better and not get ball wide open at key points in the game and he wouldn’t shut up about it.

Djax!!!

Thank you.

Chip…..Do what’s right

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 10:42 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Anyone want to Bet $10 that D-Jax gets released from the Redskins after the 2014 Season… He will end up like the 1 Trick Pony WR Donte Stallworth and will move from Team to Team for 1 Year at time on 1 Year Contracts…

And Regardless on What Songs Says above
This Team is 6-7-8 Players away from being a legitimate Contender whether that have a Black Mobile QB like you want or not …

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 11:00 am
Reply to  paulman

I don’t care if we have a black mobile QB.

So, don’t go there.

Give me a damn Caucasian from the Caucasus with mobility and a strong arm and I’m all in with him.

Copy and paste that so that’s not used as an diversion going forward.

Getting back to the original point.

Do you want to make a bet that Foles don’t get yanked before the season is done?

If Foles make through the season as the starter I’ll never post here again.

Do you or anyone here want to take me up on this and honor the bet non-like Vinnie who whiffed after he lost?

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 11:37 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

SONGS I WILL TAKE YOU UP UP THE BET AND TAKE FOLES NOT GETTING YANKED THIS YEAR AS LONG AS WHEN YOU LEAVE U TAKE UR KOOLBREEZE ALIAS WITH YOU.

THE BET WOULD BE I TAKE FOLES IS NEVER BENCHED FOR A START…

YOUR CALL

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 12:33 pm
Reply to  mhenski

BET!!!

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 12:03 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

There is no longer a “Caucasus” due to the Title 1X and all the Affirmative Action Policies around… All the White Kids beef up and take steroids so they can play OL in the NFL…
Aaron Rodgers was the last one and he’s tied up with the Packers…

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 11:11 am
Reply to  paulman

Paul, I love you man, but you are a hater of DeSean Jackson Brother…

The Eagles need DeSean Jackson, and DeSean Jackson needs the Eagles.

Call him what you want, but, it’s obvious that he was a major reason why Shady, Cooper, and Foles all were successful last year.

Defenses this year, can now focus on Shady, leaving Foles to beat them with average to slightly above average talent, with no deep threat to stretch the field.

I hope Washington does cut him, and Chip swallow his pride, and bring him back with a better attitude, and better appreciation for what they both have in each other…..

No one this year will gain 1,300 yards at any position on the Eagles – Because the most dangerous threat, and advantage they had last year is not there.

I’m fine with Foles – He had a bad game against the Cowboys last year too, and was fine afterwards; Every QB in the NFL, has a bad game or 2 every year…….Look at Brady, and Brees…..Peyton had a horrific SuperBowl…

But would you go all in for Cam Newton if you thought you could steal him from Carolina during Free Agency this year??

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 11:33 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I CAN CONFIRM WITH 100% ACCURACY THAT SONGS OR SOMEONE IN HIS HOUSEHOLD ALSO POSTS AS KOOLBREEZE … A LIL BIRDIE TOLD ME THEY HAVE USE THE SAME IP ADDRESS…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 11:37 am
Reply to  mhenski

^^^^hahahahahahaha^^^^

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 11:38 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

ITS NOT A JOKE JENKINS

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 11:46 am
Reply to  mhenski

If thats true thats one of the saddest things ever….

People dont realize that if you reply to a post your IP is logged and can easily be tracked.

Makes perfect sense though.

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 2:31 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 11:47 am
Reply to  gmcliff

NO TO CAM NEWTOWN. WE DONT NEED A GUY THAT CANT THROW

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 12:08 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

No to Cam Newton who is slower than Vick to when it comes to Reading Defenses and being Decisive with the Ball.. Cam Newton would be a disaster in Chip Kelly’s Read and react up tempo scheme…

D-Jax I could care less about and your right, I never liked him as a Teammate, though I highly respect and acknowledge his Talent, but as a complete Player and Teammate, F Him… Not on my Team
Th Guy quit on Team and Teammates mutltiple times and some still love the guys… Makes no sense to me, no one, not 1 Player is bigger than the Team.. If this Means Chip Kelly and Coaching Staff have to be more creative in designing their game-plans, then so be it, for that’s what they are paid to do as Professional, Highly Paid Coach’s

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 12:26 pm
Reply to  paulman

LOL!!….See, I knew you wouldn’t be ashamed to post how you really feel. But if you care about the Eagles

,……you would also admit, that he was sorely needed in this Offense, and we have yet to replace his presence, and impact on the field..

Pride is before a crash…..

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 12:28 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Swallow your pride….Because….

Chip Kelly and Coaching Staff have to be more creative in designing their game-plans, then so be it, for that’s what they are paid to do as Professional, Highly Paid Coach’s…

Up to this point really isn’t working as good as it was with him in this Offense…..Truth be told…

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 1, 2014 2:44 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

the inability to replace jason kelce is a problem not the loss of DJax – don’t confuse a NT disrupting the eagles game plan with djax not being here.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 12:31 pm
Reply to  paulman

Stop it with he quit on his team……He wasn’t getting paid. Anybody would probably acted the same way…

He got paid, and last year was the best year of his career, and neither Maclin, Cooper, Sproles, or Jordan Matthews, has, nor will replace him.

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 12:47 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Who cares, He’s gone and I am glad and have been calling for it for 3 Years ….

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 12:57 pm
Reply to  paulman

As an Eagles fan I care, because our Offense has suffered.

Jeremy Maclin has had a great year, but it’s only as good as the one Riley Cooper had last year. Coopers production is suffering because the better player, and threat isn’t there.

Maclin would have had the same year last year, had he not got hurt, but he only absorbs Coopers production.

You have been calling for it, and this is the result, an ineffective, unintimidating. Unproductive Offense…….that is seriously, and obviously missing DeSean Jackson…….

Worse decision since Norman Braman wouldn’t re-sign Reggie White…He was just as foolish….

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 1:25 pm
Reply to  paulman

I am not sure it’s not healthy GMCliff to keep caring or worrying about things you cannot Control … Whats Done is Done

Lets take a look at some Stats

2013 Offense
Thru 1st 4 Games – Eagles Average 23 Pts per game

2014 Offense
Thru 1st 4 Games – Eagles Average 30.5 Pts a game

So what’s this BS about D-Jax making the Eagles Offense more explosive or making them score more points…
It’s just not true and the Stat’s bear it out…

The Eagles are Averaging 30 Pts a Game thru 4 Weeks

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 1:56 pm
Reply to  paulman

I agree with you Paul. Would he be a weapon in this offense yes. Do they miss him?

NO.

The offense is dealing with injuries and a QB who has yoyoed a bit all season. Maclin is having a monster season and I am liking what I see from Matthews.

Maclin is having a FAR SUPERIOR year than what Riley Cooper ever had last year. Its not even close. Hell hes on pace to have better numbers than what DeSean had in this offense. Which only shows that Kelly can scheme up ways to get his talent the ball.

The line is in shambles and bluntly 2 out of 3 backups arent even close to starting potential.

The QB/line play may solve a ton of the ills on the offense.

DCar
DCar
October 1, 2014 2:33 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul, us wanting him off the team isn’t the point. Egotistically releasing him for nothing, coming off his career year & not replacing his skill set, is! It was stupid! It was ego driven! And BTW, did I say it was stupid?

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 11:13 pm
Reply to  paulman

For me Paul…Those stats say nothing about how the games are played.

Part of the reason why they average those points is because of Special Teams play. Those stats don’t reveal that. Give me the stats that reveal how many points are score Offensively exclusively, and there you will find the BS you’re looking for – But it would be coming from you bruh….Special Teams last year wasn’t so Special

Did the Offense keep us in the 49ers Game, or special teams??
How come we couldn’t get past the 50 yard line Offensively until the 4th Quarter??

Please spare me your partiality, and bias bruh. This Offense is not better without DeSean. Its crippled without him. Last week was evidence of that. The O-Line injuries just compound the problem.

For me, it’s not whether this topic is healthy or not…it’s about the glaring, and obviously painful facts that your too prideful to admit.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 2, 2014 7:53 am
Reply to  paulman

GMCliff – no NFL team can replace 4 out of their top 6 offensive lineman and succeed. Desean has nothing to do with Andrew Gardner, David Molk, Matt Tobin and Dennis Kelly inability to stop Pat Willis and Justin Smith. If you insert those 4 OL in any NFL city then their would be no running game nor points.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 12:36 pm
Reply to  paulman

So you would prefer Foles over Newton?? right?

Cam Newton is a much better QB, than Marcus Mariota, who some want to replace Foles with – Who is better than both of them – but because the impatient, want change now they call for the latest, and newly available just because it sounds like a good idea…..

You need to relax…Foles is fine, and we don’t need another QB, but we do need DeSean Jackson…..

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 12:51 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I do not like Cam Newton as a NFL QB..
He’s wasted too many throws, holds the ball forever and his
Leadership qualities are weak in my opinion
He’ll be another QB we look back on 5-8 Years from now,
and say coulda,shoulda, woulda like we did with Mike Vick
All the Physical Tools, but not enough between the Ears…
at least Vick showed heart at the late stages of his Career but too little too late, too much time had passed
They are both “Classic Underachievers” as far as NFL Championship Caliber QB’s playing goes …

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 3:07 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

LOL

Only people on this board would prefer Foles over Newton. Chip Kelly wouldn’t prefer Foles over Newton. One of those guys prevented him from having a National Championship title, the other he regularly beat the breaks off of.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 3:18 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Are you really comparing Auburn to Arizona?

Do you come up with comments that stupid naturally, or do you have to work at it?

But keep rolling with your “rolls eyes” “LOLs” to deflect from your every growing realization that what others say about your heroes is true.

And now so pissy that your new hero has been sitting on the bench with the towel on his head while the rest of his teammates grind out blowout losses. I’m sure their watching him sulk under the towel is good for team morale.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 3:50 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

I like how you didn’t comment on anything that was actually said.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 12:35 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Foles was not fine after the Dallas game.

The Raiders is and was a damn joke that padded Foles’s stats.

Foles is what we see.

Period.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 1, 2014 12:39 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

He was absolutely fine Songs. The Raiders game was not his only good game after the Dallas game.

Relax with the period because your point wasn’t made brother….

jakedog
jakedog
October 1, 2014 11:08 am

you are a beauty songs, a Caucasian from the Caucasus, priceless

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 12:54 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Wasn’t Al Gore and Arnold Schwartzenager from Caucasus
or was the Steven Segall…… Good Grief…

deserteagle
deserteagle
October 1, 2014 11:52 am

I’ll make some predictions ,and they don’t swirl around nick foles ,as there are many layers that contribute to his poor play of late …when healthy on the O line magically things will revert to form ..running lanes will open ,foles will get his footwork repaired,screens will become a part of the arsenal,and the tight ends will become relevant as they won’t need stay in to compensate for deficiencies..chips play calling will be though innovative ..again..we are all agonizing over 25% of the season ???that’s what fans do.?football unlike 162 games in baseball and 81 in basketball ,makes each Week a focus of high import..going forward and looking ahead ,other than Seattle and possibly arizona ,there aren’t games that aren’t winnable on the schedule ..assuming a split with teams in the division with the exception of Washington ,it’s not inconceivable that 11-5 or 10-6 is out of the question..whom at the1/4 pole do we really believe are head and shoulders above this team ..Dallas ? Giants ? We were ready to bury both a week or so ago..that’s the nature of the nfl..well agree that we are a half dozen or so players away..as things appear ..however ,bringing in Kendrick’s to the fold may very well strengthen the weak corners and with heady safety play ,the pass rush (firstly evident last week) the defense can look better ..special teams if consistent (is top tier) we all agree the right side now is intact (well see how lane looks) it will take some time ,but moving herremans back inside will compensate somewhat for the centers inadequacies ..it’s many layers and all are interdependent ..at 3-1 ..I’m optimistic that with a 4-2 or 5-1 bye week …and a 6-4 finish we are in the playoffs and assuming healthy up front ..all this pain and angst of four games will be put in its proper perspective …
That’s why I love this game ..a soap opera at every turn of the calendar

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 12:07 pm

Is someone mentioning Cam Newton? The same Cam Newton who has been benched in the 4th quarter of the Panthers’ last 2 losses?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 12:57 pm

Guys?

What if Foles play the same against the Rams, keeping them in the game until the end?

What if the Eagles lose to the bum ass Rams because another horrible game from the QB position.

Will we again point to the offensive line even though Foles was playing like hot shit to start every game this season before offensive line injuries?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 1:17 pm

Who would cut a pro bowl wide receiver and sign a bum ass receiver who is a number 3 or 4 at best to a big contract?

Only in Philadelphia.

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 1:35 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I am happy with it… Gone with the Punk-ass, Team quitting, Thug Wanna-Be piece of Shit… .

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 2:38 pm
Reply to  paulman

Are we talking about the same Desean Jackson that’s currently 41st in yards, 54th in receptions, 49th in tds, 50 in yards/game?

Is it that Desean, or someone else?

No, same guy eh?

Oh ya. He ran backwards into the endzone and tweeted about it. So he must be good. Too bad they lost that game.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 1, 2014 2:30 pm

when will Marcus Smith and/or Josh Huff and/or Jaylen Watkins make a play this season.

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 2:38 pm

LET THE RECORD SHOW WE HAVE A WAGER:

mhenski
October 1, 2014 – 11:37 am

SONGS I WILL TAKE YOU UP ON THE BET AND TAKE FOLES NOT GETTING YANKED THIS YEAR AS LONG AS WHEN YOU LEAVE U TAKE UR KOOLBREEZE ALIAS WITH YOU.

THE BET WOULD BE I TAKE FOLES IS NEVER BENCHED FOR A START…

YOUR CALL
Reply

SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 – 12:33 pm

BET!!!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 1, 2014 2:49 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Tom Brady and Cam Newton Got yanked in a blowouts last week. Does that count?

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 3:00 pm

as indicated when i said

THE BET WOULD BE I TAKE FOLES IS NEVER BENCHED FOR A START…

that would not count nor would injury. if he is benched and doesnt start b/c of a benching i lose otherwise i win and songs and his alias koolbreez is gone

greenfan
greenfan
October 1, 2014 3:05 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I think that you just made a bet with a sockpuppet…..both FraudSongs and Koolbreeze…..sockpuppets to generate more clicks for the site.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 1, 2014 3:07 pm
Reply to  mhenski

injury shouldn’t count, Nick missed game action in 2012 and 2013 due to injury and it appears he has an injured non throwing shoulder now

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 1, 2014 6:34 pm
Reply to  mhenski

bet

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 1, 2014 2:59 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Is the bet that Nick Foles gets yanked like Chad Henne and EJ Manuel for a new starter?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 2:39 pm

So far today I’ve heard people suggesting twice this year benched in blowout losses Cam Newton and a do nothing but preen for himself WR as “sigh” wishful solutions for the Eagles’ issues.

Pathetic.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 3:27 pm

A “Chip Kelly QB” is sitting available right now!! Why haven’t the Eagles moved?

EJ Manuel is sitting right there wasting space on the Bills roster. A pure read-option QB.

5’5″ 235+ 4.65 speed.

He’s right there. There’s no way the Bills wouldn’t do that trade. There’s your big read-option guy. Salaries wouldn’t be a problem. Manuel’s is higher, but the Eagles have tons of space.

There’s the “chip kelly qb” sitting right there.

Lets go Howie. Lets get a big tall athletic read-option guy in here right now. Could get the deal done in 5 mins.

Foles can’t hit the broad side of a barn. He’s useless, holding the team back. Teams are “daring him to beat them deep”

Now we could have that true running threat at QB. The kind Kelly needs. How can you not do this deal Howie?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 3:35 pm

Foles for Manuel I mean. Songs, Kool and TS would cream all over this site if the Eagles did that deal.

But if not, Newton is going to be sitting there as a FA right after the season.. Why wait??

I guarantee you the Panthers would do Newton for Foles right now too. They have no interest in signing that guy to a $100 million dollar deal nor are they happy about that $15 million sitting on the books next year.

Lets get it done. Only way to save the season!!!!!!!!

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 3:59 pm

newton will be franchised for sure

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:04 pm

lol.

Yep I’d take Manuel right now over Foles…wanna know why?

Beacause this year they have basically the same completion percentage, the same passer rating, but Manuel has more yards on the ground, Kelly could add back some of those r/o concepts he took out and defenses would have to respect the QB as a runner, helping out our backs a bit.

Not like we’d be losing anything in the passing game. Mr. Statistician.

Oh and as hot and cold as Manuel has been this year, he still managed to score offensive points for his team. No goose egg for him.

At least if you’re gonna pick a QB to compare Foles too, at least make sure it’s not one where they basically share the EXACT same completion percentage and passer rating to this point in the season.

greenfan
greenfan
October 1, 2014 4:18 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Wow…

You have just officially jumped the shark.

You are now just an “Anti-Foles” critic as far as I can tell.

If you love running QB’s so much, why don’t you stick with the NCAA?

Wow

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 3:35 pm

Foles for Manuel I mean. Songs, Kool and TS would cream all over this site if the Eagles did that deal.

But if not, Newton is going to be sitting there as a FA right after the season.. Why wait??

I guarantee you the Panthers would do Newton for Foles right now too. They have no interest in signing that guy to a $100 million dollar deal nor are they happy about that $15 million sitting on the books next year.

Lets get it done. Only way to save the season!!!!!!!!

paulman
paulman
October 1, 2014 4:08 pm

EJ Manuel is not a real mobile QB and prefers to play from the Pocket
think of him more as a “Jason Campbell” Type than a Cam Newton,Scrambler type… Remember, not all Black QB’s are Scramblers
SLow to read and diagnose Defenses, He would be a disaster in Chip Kelly’s up-tempo Scheme

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

jesus some people… sarcasm dudes and dudettes

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:13 pm
Reply to  mhenski

but good to know ts is on record saying she prefers EJ to Foles. LMFAO. Some peeps

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:14 pm
Reply to  paulman

lol

Way to miss the point Paulman. Manuel has legit wheels. As does Alex Smith and Ryan Tannenhil. How they choose to use them is up to them or the offenses they are in,

A guy with legit mobility (regardless of race or desire) is useful in this offense, as much as folk here like to believe otherwise.

Stats wise (and I say that b/c Vinnie LOVES his stats) Manuel has been just as inefficient passing as Foles. SO if I had to choose between two inefficient passers but one with a set of wheels in an offense based on zone read concepts, well that decision is a no brainer for those of us who don’t have a man crush on Foles.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:20 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

The point for those who are still clearly too slow to get it…

Isn’t about Manuel. Don’t have any desire to see him in an Eagles uniform. I’m meh on the dude.

It’s on Vinnie using a guy who:

1. Has basically the same passer rating as Foles and is completing roughly the same amount of passes as Foles
2. A guy who has the one thing Foles doesn’t and never will, legit mobility
3. A guy, for as inconsistent as he’s been, has still managed to score points for his team in his games this year.

To prove a point about how superior Foles is.

He should have chosen his example better.

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:25 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

vinnie that was like an Eminem mic drop on poppa doc. the girl just said she prefers EJ over Foles. still laughing at this

ahhhhhh who am i kidding she is no popppa doc

mostly like

CHEDDAR BOB

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 4:36 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I know. I’m losing it.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 4:24 pm

TS:

“I like how you didn’t comment on anything that was actually said.”

Lets review how I commented on EXACTLY what you said:

You said:
Chip Kelly wouldn’t prefer Foles over Newton. One of those guys prevented him from having a National Championship title, the other he regularly beat the breaks off of.

I said:
Are you really comparing Auburn to Arizona?
Do you come up with comments that stupid naturally, or do you have to work at it?

I commented on exactly what you said. I did this because that comment was beyond stupid. But seeing you are having such difficulty with your reading comprehension…..I’ll break it down into its component pieces…

“Chip Kelly wouldn’t prefer Foles over Newton. One of those guys prevented him from having a National Championship title….”

No he didn’t. Auburn, from the vastly superior SEC (winner of what is it, the last 7600 Nat’l championships), did.

Auburn D held Oregon to 19 points. And good thing for your hero too, because his pedestrian 20 of 34 for 265 2td and 1 int only helped Oregon score a paltry 22.

“Newton” did nothing…In fact, They won DESPITE Newton!
He threw a pick. He had first and goal and threw 2 incompletes (they didn’t score) and his 4th quarter fumble let to Oregon trying the game late in the 4th!

On the final drive, Newton’s first pass was incomplete, and they never let him throw again. It was all rbs! (wait, they did let him QB sneak 1 yard to centre the FG. His own coaches took the ball out of his hands, their faith in him so strong!

Newton played like shit in a big game. Newton always plays like shit in big games.

The Auburn D ansd their running backs won that game.To say Newton kept Kelly from winning a National Championship is Stupid.

So I called you on it…and you responded with your typical backtrack….”its not what I actually said….”

Fraud.

Lets continue……

“the other (Foles) he regularly beat the breaks off of.”

No he didn’t. He beat the lousy Arizona Wildcats. Winners of just about nothing over the past 100 years. And a team with a completely abysmal defense.

Over those 3 losses, Foles went 93 of 157 for 1160 yards 10tds and 2 ints. The Wildcats scored 41, 29 and 31 points…only to have 44, 48 and 51 scored against them. Might have been different if they had an Auburn D to hold them to 19. And BTW – Arizona RBs contributed a palty 220 yards over theose 3 games, barley suppassing the one game rushing totals of the Tiger’s backs.

I guarantee you Kelly got a much better appreciation for Foles coming out of college than he did about the always folding in big games Newton.

You keep posting stupid “I love Newton” shit, and I’ll keep calling you on it. Sorry it bothers you so much.

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:29 pm

MIC DROPPED!!!!!!

god this is great. Vinnie 9 – ts 0

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:39 pm

Sigh.

3 QBs played crappy this week.

Newton –
Kaep-
Foles –

2 of those guys managed to score offensive points 1 of those guys managed to NOT score ANY offensive points when gifted 21 non-offensive points – only the SECOND TIME IN NFL HISTORY that has happened.

And you’re talking about folk playing badly in big college games?

Let’s play Vinnies Stats game shall we:

QB 1 – Passer Rating: 80.3 Comp%: 58.0 YPA – 6.4
QB 2: Passer Rating: 81.7 Cmp%: 57.8 YPA: 7.07

Looks eerliy similar to me.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:41 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Like I said. Choose your examples better.

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:41 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

WHO CARES ABOUT 1 WEEK YA BLOCKHEAD??????????

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:42 pm
Reply to  mhenski

YOU DONT CLINCH THE PLAYOFFS BASED ON YOUR BEST 1 WEEK PERFORMANCE

YOU DONT WIN A SUPER BOWL BASED ON YOUR BEST 1 WEEK PERFORMANCE

YOUR REPUTATION AND TRACK RECORD IS BASED BASED ON 1 GAME

GOD WHAT A BLOCK HEAD

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:44 pm
Reply to  mhenski

VIN NOTICE HOW THE BLOCKHEAD DOESNT RESPOND TO YOUR OREGON VS AUBURN SUMMARY… AND POINTING OUT HOW STUPID HER ORIGINAL POST WAS????/

WHAT A DUM DUM

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:45 pm
Reply to  mhenski

BLOCKHEAD LION AND BLOCKHEAD JOHNSON SHOULD GET TOGETHER… JUST PLEASE DONT REPRODUCE!!!!!!!!!

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 5:38 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Look everybody it’s the Internet stalker who doesn’t have a life so he tracks down people’s IP addresses. What an idiot

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:50 pm

To this point in the 2014 season.

EJ Manuel has: 5 TD 3 INT 1 Fum
Nick Foles has: 6TD 4 INT 3 Fum

Choose your examples better.

mhenski
mhenski
October 1, 2014 4:55 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

hey DUM DUM.

SO BACK TO YOUR POINT YOU WOULD TAKE EJ BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN ABOUT THE SAME AS FOLES THROUGH 4 GAMES AND EXCLUDE ALL PRIOR INFORMATION.

GOD YOU ARE INCREDIBLY STOOOOOOOOOPIT

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 4:59 pm
Reply to  mhenski

EJ Manuel has: 5 TD 3 INT 1 Fum
Nick Foles has: 6TD 4 INT 3 Fum

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 5:10 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Oh my bad…I forgot to include Manuel’s rushing TD:

EJ Manuel has: 6 TD 3 INT 1 Fum
Nick Foles has: 6 TD 4 INT 3 Fum

Funny how one of those guys was benched. The other many are saying is the future of the franchise.

Interesting what some teams find acceptable play and what others don’t.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 5:11 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Once again choose your examples better.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
October 1, 2014 5:50 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

One of them is also a pro bowl MVP….

One has an 11-3 record in his last 13 starts the other one is 6-8.

I could keep going, but I think you get the idea.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 5:56 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

One of them hasn’t played a full 16 games.

And you do realize you’re not helping your point right? If Foles is all that then why do his numbers look the same as a guy who hasn’t played 16 professional games in the NFL yet and was just benched for those numbers.

I could keep going, but I think you get the idea.

The point remains. If you’re going to use another QB (with less experience) as an example of how superior Foles is then at least make it one where the numbers (comparing apples to apples) show that.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
October 1, 2014 7:05 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

I’m not hurting my point at all – My point is that Foles has shown that he can win – he has won. Manuel has yet to show that he can win. Hence, the fact that Manuel is benched with numbers similar to Foles numbers this year.

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 7:31 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Irish you do realize people were on this very site saying that you can’t be critical of Foles because he didn’t have 16 starts. Facts are this year Foles is 3-1 and Manuel is 2-2, Manuel shouldn’t have been benched.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
October 1, 2014 7:56 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Oh, I don’t think it’s the kind of benching that is permanent… The guy was an early first round pick. That coach will be looking for a job if that kid is a bust..

Manuel’s benching is a “start listening to what I tell you to do” type benching… He is far from washed-up… The coach is teaching him a lesson. It happens…

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 8:25 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

I agree with that Irish, maybe even a little sit and learn.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 9:24 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Manuel getting benched is pretty much a death knell for him. It’s rare for QBs who get benched that early in their careers to be successful after.

Marrone wins with Orton…Manuel doesnt see the field again.

Marrone loses with Orton….Hes fired….Manuel is not the new guys pick….so he has an even shorter leash.

Regardless….hes been atrocious. Foles has been up and down and left plays on the field….Manuel hasnt made plays with his arms or feet. Before the bomb this weekend because of a screw up on the Texans that left a guy wide open he was abysmal.

Hes been that way for 3 weeks pretty much.

And I liked the kid coming out of FSU. He doesnt have it.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 8:14 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Y. And the Bills are experts at defining acceptable play.

Manuel should not have been benched. That was a stupid move. I made that point when it was announced. My understanding of the situation is that its not necessarily because of his play on the field, but rather off, though I cannot confirm this – just rumors.

Clearly he should have been given more time.

That being said, your opinion that the Eagles would be better with him is also off. Body of work – Foles/Manual? There’s no comparison.

How’s Auburn doing BTW?

haveacigar
haveacigar
October 1, 2014 5:16 pm

I really wonder why the sky is falling crowd doesn’t just shut up. We are 3-1. The qb played poorly not he west coast against a power house team, yet the team drive down the field down by five, got it to the 1.5 yd line… Had two cracks at the end zone and didn’t get it in… That is sports. Damn I think it showed a lot to play so poorly and have that chance to win.

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 5:56 pm

I wonder if the Eagles record was 2-2 would Kelly bench Foles for Sanchez considering Manuel and Foles has the same numbers basically. Now Foles has earned the right to get his accuracy issues corrected because of his last year numbers coupled with the oline injuries. I for one don’t want to see Sanchez play one down but Nick needs to get it going ASAP.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 1, 2014 6:05 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Neither should be benched.

And let’s be real, we should be 2-2 Colts were a gift. I’m not knocking the gift, but a gift it was.

You don’t bench a guy who your drafted first who hasn’t even played a full 16 games. That’s dumb.

You don’t bench a guy who is obviously struggling this year, but had a good year last year. That’s dumb.

But what’s even dumber is trying to make a claim that one QB is superior over the other when they are basically rocking the same numbers at this point in the year. That’s REALL dumb. (sorry couldn’t resist lol).

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 6:18 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

LOL

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 1, 2014 8:20 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Fuck you make this too friggin easy…

6:05 pm
“But what’s even dumber is trying to make a claim that one QB is superior over the other when they are basically rocking the same numbers at this point in the year. ”

4:04 pm
“Yep I’d take Manuel right now over Foles…”

Damn! I don’t even have to call you stupid. You’re calling yourself stupid!

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 2, 2014 7:27 pm

Cherry picking comments again are we?

Typical Vinnie.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 1, 2014 7:24 pm

The eagles lost against the 49ers because of Nick Foles — he looked like Matt Barkley.
Bucky Brooks from the NFL network in the preseason predicted Mark Sanchez would replace Nick Foles midseason so Songs does have an expert agreeing with him. Donovan McNabb doesn’t project Nick Foles as a franchise QB. There is speculation on ESPN that the Eagles won’t pay franchise QB money to Nick Foles preferring the 8 million range that Mike Vick got in 2013.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
October 1, 2014 7:28 pm

Here yall go with the innuendo black vs white qb nonsense…..

Foles aint Peyton Manning.

EJ Manuel sucks.

Arguing one against the other…..dumbest shit ever.

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 1, 2014 7:54 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Izell race has nothing Nothing to do with thIs conversation. You’re reading a little too much into it.

paulman
paulman
October 2, 2014 12:54 pm

Eagles Offense and Season rely on the Legs of RB Lesean McCoy and not
the Right Arm of QB Foles..
IF McCoy doesn’t get his head on straight here and start producing
this Eagles Offense and Season is going nowehere
Wheres the Criticism for McCoy been…

Here;s the Rankings of All RB’s in the NFL thru 4 Weeks

# 1) D Murray (Cowboys) 99 Attempts 534 Yards 4.5 Average 5 TD’s
# 3) R Jennings (Giants) 81 Attempts 341 Yards 4.2 Average 2 TD’s
# 5) A Morris (Redskins) 71 Attempts 316 Yards 4.5 Average 3 TD’s
# 21) L McCoy (Eagles) 70 Attempts 192 Yards 2.7 Average 1 TD

I don’t want to hear or read about QB Foles, WR R Cooper, TE B Celek or the OL or the loss of D-Jax, M Vick, John Runyan……
If McCoy doesn’t step it up, the Eagles 2014 Season is going nowhere
If Fans want to look at other issues fine, but the Eagles Offense goes as LeSean McCoy goes and right now, it’s firing blanks…

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 1:14 pm
Reply to  paulman

Yeah because RB’s can play 1 on 11 with no help. Thanks for that insight paulman.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 2, 2014 2:32 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Haven’t you been the one on here the last 2 weeks saying the Oline issues are irrelevant? (at least in terms of Foles) “Next man up” and all that.

So which is it….need help, or don’t need help?

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 2:50 pm

Next man up means next man up does his job, so what don’t you understand? You get paid do your damn job. No excuses does that clear it up for you? It wasn’t in regards to your man love Foles it was in regards to the fact if your getting paid to play then perform and earn that money, see your problem is thinking every comment reverts to Foles, stop the narrow minded ass thinking that you do.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 2, 2014 4:25 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Molk is doing his job, I am quite sure to the best of his ability. Problem is, his ability is that of a high school coach, which is what he was doing 3 months ago.

I can’t even talk about Tobin. twice shredded and leaving a guy alone to hammer Foles on a 3 man rush!

They might be getting paid, but they cannot do the job. Overthrows all year….beacuse Foles is throwing it as soon as its in his hands.

Don’t we pine for the days when he was holding it longer than anyone else in the league…..

The real issue, perhaps, is Kelly calling the most deep passes in the league when his oline is in the shape it is. Who does that?

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 6:16 pm

Hint hint maybe it’s because the safeties are playing closer to the line of scrimmage.

paulman
paulman
October 2, 2014 3:06 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Everyone says the Giants and Redskins OL Suck, and that their QB Play stinks, yet that have the #3 & #5 RB’s in the NFL right now…
It’s time for McCoy to man up– The Rams Rushing Defense is not very good and another klunker Game by McCoy will doom this 2014 Season…

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 3:24 pm
Reply to  paulman

You also said a strength of the Eagles was the oline depth who for the better part of 2 weeks got their asses handed to them so which is it? Can Shady block for himself? Now if everyone does their job and Shady cannot defeat the one guy unaccounted for then yes he needs to step it up. But that’s not the case and you know it.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 2, 2014 4:27 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Molk is 6’2″ 290. He can try all he wants to do his job, the issue is there are about 15,000 sitting in the Linc who are bigger than him. I know because I’ve unfortunately had to sit beside a couple of them.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 2, 2014 4:28 pm

For God’s sakes I’m 6’1″ and about 215….I’ve never been so close to being able to play NFL lineman in my life.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 2, 2014 4:53 pm

Ruuuuuudy! Ruuuuudy! Ruuuuudy!

Holy shit. For the best laugh (or cry I suppose, depending on your perspective) go right now to Philly.com and check out the article titled “Domo’s Eagles/Rams Scouting Report”

Look at the picture.

Really, look at that picture.

Rudy Ruettiger is playing centre for the Eagles!

Ruuuuuudy! Ruuuuudy! Ruuuuudy!

And we wonder why there’s been no run game and Foles was throwing early last week.

greenfan
greenfan
October 2, 2014 5:18 pm

Holy shit is right. That picture says it all. If the Rams have any sense they will just attack us up the middle all day. Obviously you attack the backups, but when you have an undersized backup it makes even more sense.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
October 2, 2014 5:32 pm

I don’t get how guys can say – “the loss of DJax is a major issue”…but when it comes to the loss of three starting offensive lineman, it’s “next man up”…

I can guarantee you one thing – there is not a coach in the NFL that would trade you half his starting offensive line for any WR.

Losing three starting offensive linemen is a HUGE problem. Anyone who has played offensive line knows that it takes weeks for an offensive line to jell… and that’s if they are good players… If they suck, they might never get on the same page,,, Dick Vermeil said he would rather lose his starting QB than lose three offensive linemen.

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 5:54 pm

Irish according to everyone here it was next man up replacing DJax, so what’s changed, listen maybe you guys don’t understand but using injuries as an excuse is just plain old BS. Trust your coaches and trust the guys your paying to come in and be reliable replacements. Now missing 3 starters is a bit much but you just cannot curl up into a ball I say I quit.

jakedog
jakedog
October 2, 2014 6:21 pm

You are out of shape vinnie

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 5:22 pm

Why is he on the team? Who signed him? Who decided that David Molk could step in and replace Kelcie in case of injury? Like I said you get paid do your job if you can’t upgrade its that simple. Better yet lets get 22 really good guys and 31 guys who can’t do the job if we need them.

paulman
paulman
October 2, 2014 5:36 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

J Vandervelde was supposed to be Kelce’s Back-up at Center until he had his back injury and then surgery putting him out of the picture.. At least that was the plan back in Summer Camp..
Molk most likely was fighting for a Roster spot or Practice Squad Spot before the Injuries to Vandervelde came

paulman
paulman
October 2, 2014 5:39 pm

Rams Front will get to Foles, no doubt..
Aaron Donald, Robert Quinn, Ethan Wesbrook have got to be licking their Chops.. James Laurenitis, ALec Ogletree..
This could be another long day for the Eagles Offense if they can’t run the ball with some success early on
Screens/MisdIrection/Reverse Plays do not work well against the Rams Front 7 either…

Rams 26 – Eagles 20

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 2, 2014 5:43 pm
Reply to  paulman

Ethan Wesbrook – another GMCliff guy……..

Wow!, would he be playing in front of Cedric Thornton, and Benny Logan if he were drafted by the Eagles Paul??

Biglion821
Biglion821
October 2, 2014 6:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

Rams are 30th in the league against the run.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 2, 2014 7:30 pm

Not worried about the offense – just curious if the defense is gonna continue with it’s trend of letting back up QBs look like super stars..

lol

Rhino
Rhino
October 3, 2014 4:15 pm

Dont know if anyone mentioned this…but Jarius Byrd is on the season ending IR…Shame..Saints put a lot of money out on him…We escaped that one!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
October 3, 2014 4:19 pm
Reply to  Rhino

injuries are part of football and in this case sometimes the moves you DON’T make are the best moves, contrary to what the whiny fans say!

haveacigar
haveacigar
October 3, 2014 4:41 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

But i don’t necessarily blame the saints, they thought they were a player or two away with an aging roster…. had to go for it but as its sports sometimes it doesn’t work out!