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Thoughts On Tom Gamble Firing And The Eagles’ Power Struggle

TomGamble1On The Gamble Firing

While I think it’s safe to say that not too many of us expected Tom Gamble to remain with the Eagles’ organization for a long time, I don’t think anyone would have envisioned his exit playing out this way.

If Gamble left the team, I think I speak for a lot of people when say I believed it would have been to accept a General Manager position with another franchise.

Instead, the Eagles forced him out the door after his second year with the club.

What went wrong? Well, none of us really know for sure. Until we get some kind of clarification from either Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman, or Chip Kelly (who will all more than likely go into hiding until the NFL combine), we can only speculate.

Clearly there had to be some kind of tension between Gamble and Roseman. Even though the Eagles were a disappointing team, there was no reason for anyone’s head to roll for this season’s failure. Not after what they had just accomplished a year ago.

There had to be some significant disagreements over personnel over the last year that led to this. What I want to know now is whose pick was Marcus Smith? Is he here now more because of Howie or Gamble?

What about the rest of the draft? Were there other players that Gamble/Howie pushed for that they didn’t get that wound up performing very well for other teams during the year?

Whatever happened, the loss of Gamble can’t be seen at all as a good thing. The Eagles lost a highly successful and well-respected executive that was great at evaluating talent. Having one less set of quality eyes in your scouting department is never a good thing.

On Howie Roseman’s Power Within The Organization

Howie Roseman’s rise to power within this franchise is one of the most fascinating things I’ve ever seen.

Howie started as an intern, and slowly worked his way up to the top of the food chain. He somehow has the unwavering trust of owner Jeffrey Lurie, and during his ascension he managed to convince Lurie to help him remove figures like Joe Banner that would stand in his way and deny him from having as much power as possible.

Now Roseman has apparently made another powerplay, sending a message to head coach Chip Kelly about who really has final say over any and all matters within this organization by sending one of Kelly’s closest and most powerful friends in the franchise packing.

I don’t know what Howie did to obtain so much power, and I don’t like that he seems to be the most powerful figure on the team at the moment, second only to Lurie himself.

For as much as Roseman may have proven himself to Lurie, he’s yet to do anything to earn that same trust within the fanbase. His credentials and background say that he’s a numbers cruncher and a contract guy by trade, and doesn’t have nearly as strong of a history when it comes to evaluating talented football players.

The best move that he’s made as general manager has been the Kelly hire, but through all of his years in this position its unclear which players he has and has not had say in bringing here.

On What This Means For Chip Kelly’s Future

It seems insane to think about this, but Chip Kelly’s future with the team is suddenly in doubt.

While no departure is imminent, I don’t think that Kelly is any longer lock to be the coach of this team after the 2015 season.

It’s so important for a front office and a head coach to be able work cohesively with one another.

If things don’t turn around the team goes through another unsuccessful season, I could see Kelly walking away. The firing of Gamble isn’t likely to sit well with Chip, and the reported tensions between himself and Roseman could only grow if Howie fails to bring Kelly an adequate amount of talent to help the club improve.

We’ve seen throughout the NFL that relationships between a head coach and a front office can dissolve and turn into ugly situations very quickly. Most notably, we just saw Jim Harbaugh, a man who turned the San Francisco 49ers back into a relevant franchise and brought the team to the NFC Championship game in each of his first three years, and made the Super Bowl in his second season. Despite such incredible achievements, things went sour between himself and the folks upstairs, and despite all of his achievements the Niners couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

If a guy who enjoyed that amount of success within such a short span of time could be deemed expendable so quickly, then so could Kelly.

Denny Basens

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paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 10:39 am

It will be interesting to see who Eagles to fill the Personnel Positions
Of Gamble and Rick Mieller’s.. They will have to move quickly and I hope
This was a preplanned, well thought-out decision and not a knee jerk
Decision to Kelly’s PC on Monday, where Howie’s Feelings and ego
Took a hit from Kelly..
This Front Office needs to regroup, start at ground zero
And hit the ground running to acquire the best Talent
For not only their Roster, but for their Front Office which is a bit thin
With Football Talent Evaluatotors right now..

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 10:54 am
Reply to  paulman

ground zero????? Lmfao. gamble wasnt that important and hasnt done shit to speak of here to call his firing ground zero…

and rick mueller is still employed by the eagles and he has received permission to interview for the jets gm job… thats it… his paycheck is still coming from the eagles as of now. also if he left its no big deal as he is the director of pro personnel, that position is easily replaceable.. not to mention what is muellers mark on this team??? because ive read his job description and i would venture to guess his mark is highlighted, wait i mean LOWLIGHTED by cary williams, bradley fletcher and james casey

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 10:50 am

I am not sure if GM Roseman is Married or has Family, but I can tell you
That he will be working 16-18 Hours a Day for
The next 4 Months and will need Quality Help
In evaluating 1500 or so Draft Eligibke Pkayers
To go along with the 300 or so Current Free-Agent List
As well as managing, negoitiating the Eagles Current Roster
With their own Free-Agents,Extensions and Re-Structuring of
Contracts… He also needs a quality person to keep tabs
On NFL Pkayers who are Currentky under Contracts,
But likely to get released due to new Coach’s,Injuries,
Lack of Production, etc,etc for I expect another
50-75 Players to hit the Market come Febuary before Roster Bonus
Hit March 1st — players like Frank Gore,Patrick Wills,
Reggie Bush, Brandon Carr,Morris Claiborne,
Mike Walkace, Wes Welker, Adrian Petersen,
D’Angelo Hall,Ike Taylor,Cortez Allen,Vincent Jackson,
Josh Gordon, as well as many other Players

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 10:55 am
Reply to  paulman

lmfao

what is wrong with you?

do you think its howie, chip and then nobody?

here is his help:

Anthony Patch Director of College Scouting
Rick Mueller Director of Pro Personnel
Tom Donahoe Senior Football Advisor
Ed Marynowitz Assistant Director of Player Personnel
Michael Bradway Assistant Director of College Scouting
Louis Clark Pro Scout
Michael Davis Midwest Area Scout
Trey Brown West Coast Area Scout
Alan Wolking Southeast Area Scout
Brad Obee Southwest Area Scout
Ryan Myers Northeast Area Scout
Matt Lindsey College Scouting Coordinator
Joe Hastings Pro Personnel Assistant
Tom Hayden Scouting Assistant
Phil Bhaya Scouting Assistant

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 10:59 am
Reply to  mhenski

you should probably look at the eagles org chart… probably close to another 100 full time employees helping him in other departments

regarding excessive hours i do expect howie and his team to average 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week from the day ncaaf begins until the draft ends

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 11:14 am
Reply to  paulman

I’m sure Howie is grateful Paul,for you telling him what his job is… I’m sure he had no idea or plan before your riveting post.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 2, 2015 10:54 am

He’s the “messiah” no worries…

upperdecker19
upperdecker19
January 2, 2015 11:05 am

He can just read comments here about what a competent GM should be doing and cut his workday down to a couple hours a day……

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 11:20 am

GM Roseman just e-mailed me an Application

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 11:25 am
Reply to  paulman

Unfortunately Paul you would have to stick to your guns… Something you cannot do…

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 11:36 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Not enough $$$ from Roseman’s Offer
It is what it is…

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 11:49 am

just read an article on philly DOT com and read this:

The 2014 Eagles draft clearly bore Kelly’s imprint, with the coach drafting his former Oregon stars Josh Huff in the third round and Taylor Hart in the fifth. Afterward, Kelly and Roseman told of Roseman having talked Kelly out of drafting Hart in the third; Hart, a defensive end, was the only Eagle who spent all 16 games on the 53-man roster without ever being activated.

IF TRUE BIG UPS TO HOWIE FUCK GAMBLE AND FUCK CHIP MAKING DRAFT DAY CALLS, CLEARLY THEY’RE BOTH SHIT AT THAT

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 11:51 am
Reply to  mhenski

and more:

“According to some in the know, the scouting department lost clout in the process, and most personnel decisions were made more on coaches’ opinions rather than scouts, with Gamble siding with the coaches,” Gabriel wrote.

COACHES CALLING THE SHOTS IS ALWAYS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN. AS GUS WOULD SAY – DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:18 pm
Reply to  Denny Basens

Denny I have no clue how you know that for a fact but I will take your word for it.

With that being fact it means howie is very smart to put an end to chip fucking up personnel and shows he isn’t scared of chip and that he is going to make the best decisions for the team regardless of whose feelings get hurt! I love it!!!!!

Howie gave chip a shot and chip looked like a retard.

Round 1 chip and gamble pick smith
Roseman Uhhh are u sure guys, chip and gamble respond yea number guy he is a beast.

Round 2 they pick Matthews. All approve

Round 3 chip and gamble say Taylor hart. Roseman responds good one guys who are we taking we r on the clock. They respond hart, howie thinks they are fucking with him and then it’s time to turn in the pick and its hart and howie is like fuck off and rips the paper from them and says he has a 6th round grade and howie picks huff with seconds to spare.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 2, 2015 12:39 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Hey…finally something we agree on mhenski!

“Denny, I have no clue….”

Just put a exclamation point behind ‘clue’ and we will have the most accurate assessment you have ever made on here.

How do you know Roseman wasn’t in support drafting Smith in the first round?

The bottom line is Roseman is an accountant! I understand why Chip wants him to do his job as salary cap manager and have Tom Gamble a football man helping him handle selecting the players that he wants.
All we can tell from this move is that Chip aint got the juice that Andy Reid had …and it would not be much of a surprise if we see Chip Kelly bolting back to the college ranks real soon.

Oh, and we also know by your stupid ass statements that your an idiot, mhenski!

But that’s old news!

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:46 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

coming from the guy who has said

taj boyd is gonna be a star

johnny manziel has it and is gonna be a superstar

and

marc sanchez is going to fix the 2014 eagles…

ill take that as a compliment! thanks kool!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 3:43 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

koolbreeze, I get your point. But, do you know what Tom Gamble was prior to becoming a football guy? He was playing baseball. He worked his way up. Matt Millen who was a football guy and player…a horrible GM for the Lions. being a former football player does not make you a good GM…after all, Ray farmer drafted manziel in the first round..lol. Howie had a good 2012 draft…we have to wait and see. It’s a position you can learn how to evaluate talent.
Michael Jordan was the best b-ball player ever…he SUCKS as a GM!!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 4:44 pm
Reply to  mhenski

It is true Big Mhenski. Howie admitted, and talked about it at length after the draft last year.

Taylor Hart, who mirrors most Oregon Players coming into the NFL. which one would you say, has made a difference on this team????

Please don’t say Josh Huff. He thought he(Huff) could replace DeSean. That is all we need to know about his ability to evaluate Professional Talent

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:16 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

What are you asking me cliff ? Are you asking me who mode a bigger difference hart or huff?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 5:28 pm
Reply to  mhenski

No buddy. Which Oregon Player that Chip has wanted on this team has made a difference??

My point was no one from the Oregon Program would really make a difference because most of them are not NFL Players including Huff(OUTSIDE KR), Mariota, Hart, Dion Jordan, Kenyon Barner, Casey Matthews or Jeff Mahael.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 12:19 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I stated this last May after the Draft Henski,
First 2 Selections (MS2 & Matthews) were Roseman’s Call & doing,
While the remainder of Draft was Kelly’s with Gambles sign off
All Old News…
I believe Roseman had his own Selections in mind from 3rd Round on and when he compared them to what Kelly wanted and took
He decided to take action and fire Gamble
I believe Roseman had Players like ILB Preston Brown,
WR John Brown, WR Martavius Bryant, CB Breeland,
Guard Trai Turner,Safety Trey Boston etc on his list for mid-rounds
Instead of Kelly’s Ducks and PAC-10 guys that he chose

Wouldn’t it be great to see this list

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:21 pm
Reply to  paulman

ok after reading chip and gamble wanted taylor hart in the 3rd fucking round and denny confirming it I am 1000000000% convinced those 2 dumb shits chip and gamble picked smith

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 12:13 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I wrote about that two days ago as it was posted on BGN. Coupled with the whole releasing djax and signing Coop long term. That was a move Howie was against. Another Chip Kelly production.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 12:12 pm

Just read an article by Geoff Mosher basically saying you need a head talent guy and a money guy… Seems like the impression is that Howie wants to do both and has an inferiority complex cuz the jocks won’t let him judge talent… Or something

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:24 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

i dont get it. geoff needs to look at the eagles org chart. they have both…

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 12:34 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Mhenski do you not understand that Howie doesn’t give a shit about who works where as long as he has final say in Lurie’s ear? I’ve been reading report after report about the war going on in the scouting department between Roseman and Chip’s guys with Gamble leading the charge. No football guy whether it’s a coach or scout wants to hear shit Howie says and he ain’t having none of that. Feel free to critique my grammar.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:45 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

the war is being reported as between the following parties:

chips coaches and gamble

vs

howie and his scouting department.

its dumb coaches shouldnt be drafting the players nor having final say EVER. scouts scout and evaluate college talent 12 months a year… and work especially hard evaluating during the ncaaf season obviously. while at that same time coaches are coaching nfl teams and scouting their opponents. no way can a coach know anything more than our scouts about these guys ever…

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:49 pm
Reply to  mhenski

not a war in the scouting depart… the scouting department is 1 side and the coaches and gamble the other… coaches wanna call the shots and the scouts wanna do their job. howie let the coaches do it last year and put an end to it this year

at least thats the way it looks

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 2, 2015 1:57 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Its only a “war” because its Philadelphia.

No where else would the firing of Tom Gamble even be on the radar.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 2:04 pm

To the best of my knowledge there hasn’t even been any national article on this… pft, espn etc???

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 2:06 pm

yea, probably right.

by everything i read chip is a smart man without too much ego and can admit when he is wrong. I HOPE chip agrees that he shouldnt be calling all the shots in the draft…

ive come to this conclusion from an article i read this morning about how his and leseans relationship was built… in that article after a 3rd down where shady got tackled in the backfield and as shady came off the field and the following happened:

On the sideline, Kelly unloads: “Hit the damn hole, Shady!”

“There was no damn hole!” shady

“Shut up!” chip

McCoy heads to the bench. But he can’t let it go. He brings Kelly a photo of the play and says, “Do you see a hole?”

Kelly returns to the game, and McCoy returns to wondering whether he can coexist with his coach.

But in the team meeting the next day, Kelly says something the players have never heard so explicitly from a head coach: “Shady and I got into it, and I was wrong.”

THAT TELLS Me chip can admit mistakes and move on. hopefully this is happening with Howie as we speak

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 2:12 pm

writers gotta write… cant write about the phils, sixers or flyers so grasp out straws!

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 12:48 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

It’s almost impossible to do both well & consistently
In Today’s Year-Round Job of being an NFL GM
Best Plans can too easily fall by the wayside
With off the field issues,injuries,Coaching changes,
Rules changes, etc,etc..
It takes an experienced front office that’s on the same page,
Following a consistent “mission statement” with a solid
Core of Beliefs and Principles on how to achieve these Goals
It starts at the Top,
Being a successful Businessman does make an Owner
A successful Sports Team Owner as we have seen a thousand times
Over the Years in all Sports
There must be consistency in the message and the process
But there also needs to be adjustments, fresh ideas and new blood & energy
To move things forward and keep things challenging & exciting
There has to be accountability and shared rewards and shared sacrifices

I think the Eagles tend to over analyze and over complicate
Things and then invoke too many knee-jerk responses and actions

Some of these other real Successful Organization’s Front Offices you
Rarely hear much about and just stay the course and have done well
Over time.. The Steelers,Ravens,Pats,Packers & the Giants
Come to mind..
Is it about their Coach’s, their Players, their
Draft records for they all have misses too..
Or is it their overall consistent Philosophy and relatively
Stable Front Offices realizing that some
Seasons are down years or some Drafts
Just didn’t turn out as expected..
But they seem to appear to weather the
Ups and Downs well and stay the course..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 12:29 pm

When Chip asked Louisville hc Charlie Strong about MSII…Strong signed off on him and said he could play the OLB position. I think it was a Chip pick.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 12:35 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

He should have asked me EHL I would have given him the correct answer. LOLOLOL

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 12:36 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

if everything i am adding up is accurate ie howie is doing the right things and chip isnt i hope chip is smart enough to know the draft/free agency is not his forte and he should let the people who are talented here do their jobs

i mean this is unacceptable
“According to some in the know, the scouting department lost clout in the process, and most personnel decisions were made more on coaches’ opinions rather than scouts, with Gamble siding with the coaches,” Gabriel wrote.

you have to let scouts do their jobs… kind of a knock on howie for letting gamble and chip call the shots last year but at least he squashed that going forward…

howie should do chip like heinkie did Bret brown last year.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 12:52 pm

Interesting I’m not a Chip guy but I’m telling you if he wants a particular player or part that he thinks will work in his system you give it to him, yeah so what the Djax and Cooper deal didn’t exactly work out the guys are buying in and hell he’s won 20 games in 2 years with that retarded ass secondary and Sanchez QBing games. Howie just better pick the right parts or the Chipper is gone after this year.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 1:26 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Lion welcome aboard the chip bus!
‘Djaxa nd coop didn’t exactly work out’.. Not sure chip would agree with you there

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 4:38 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

It Didn’t….don’t ask Chip, ask the Defensive Coordinators that kicked our ass……….and watch replays of those games……

screw the stats…….reality is not having him took away our leverage to be more productive Offensively – in terms of winning those games, and missing the playoffs.

Coopers season worked out better with DJack than Maclin,, because he took so much Defensive attention with him – Maclin had a great year and is talented in his own right, but he doesn’t scare anyone with his speed. Coopers season was greatly affected by the absence of DeSean Jackson no matter how much Chip doesn’t want to admit it, or is in denial

– I call that STUBBORN DENIAL….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:40 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Exactly !!! Well stated Cliff.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 1:33 pm

Rewatching Rose Bowl..1st Quarter still..
Not impressed with Mariotta Accuracy or Arm Strength starting out,
Missed 2 Wide Open Receivers, 3-4 Passes that were behind Receivers
And 2 into heavy traffic and fortunate to not been intercepted

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 2, 2015 2:00 pm
Reply to  paulman

He was terrible in the first half, but then played very well in the 2nd.

Wait? What? A young QB struggled in the first half of a huge game and then started putting things together in the second half??

Very strange.

Never ever seen that before.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 2:23 pm

I sense more of an exhaustion by the Seminole
Defense more than Mariotta’s great play.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 2:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

Halfway thru 2nd Quarter and sill 11-3 Oregon
Both QB’s should have 2 Int’s each already
Mariotta & Winston are not NFL Level in Year 1

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 3:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

I remember watching Brady and Rodgers missing wide open receivers this year. It happens, stop nitpicking. No NFL QB’s are perfect from Manziel, to Foles to Brady and Rodgers. They all have off games. It’s easy to watch a game and say…see, he overthrew that guy, he underthrew that guy, he threw a pick. Mariotta is going 1, Winston, 2-7 IMO. Bottom line.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 3:48 pm

HAC, Mhenski, in 2012-2013, while the Eagles were looking for their new head coach, Jason La Canfora was writing about NFL personnel telling Chip not to come to Eagles. Also on dead spin. Some had to do with Banner, some , some others. I knew I read it, could not remember where. Google it. Right there for you to read.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 4:29 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

i dont see it cant find it. tell me what to google please… or copy and paste the article… all i see is this bullshit – which everyone knew was from scorned banner:

On Monday, CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora did a hatchet job on Eagles GM Howie Roseman. He wrote that Roseman was “drunk with power” and “woefully out of his depth,” and to add the sheen of authority, La Canfora cloaked it in “a growing perception around the league.”

At the time, the Browns and Eagles had engaged in a high-profile tug-of-war for Oregon coach Chip Kelly, who had at different times reportedly been close to taking both jobs. Kelly turned down Cleveland last week after being wined and dined by the Eagles. He then supposedly turned down Philadelphia, but as we now know, negotiations were still ongoing. The CBS article looked like an attempt by someone to sour the Eagles’ chances of landing Kelly, blasting the front office power structure and noting that an incoming coach would have limited personnel say in Philly. It was only natural to assume La Canfora’s sources were coming from Cleveland.

Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie voiced those suspicions today to CSN Philly, pinning the quote on Joe Banner, who was Lurie’s boyhood friend and second-in-command in Philadelphia for nearly two decades before leaving to become Browns CEO.

“I’m very supportive of Howie, and if there’s any criticism coming from afar about Howie, it’s just off-base, and so I will support Howie completely, because that’s not right,” Lurie said.

“And, you know, if there are league sources that are really based in Cleveland, that’s not right. We see through it all.”

so a writer used a scorned gm as a source? you are referring to banner telling kelly not to come here ? if yes, of course he did banner wanted kelly and failed!!!!! no other gms or bellicheck are saying this nonsense it was banner…

what am i missing?

am i not reading the right article?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:33 pm
Reply to  mhenski

No..that’s what I was referring to. That’s what I recalled reading,

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:02 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

ok so the scorned gm joe banner blasting howie turned into Bellicheck telling kelly not to take the eagles job. at least we cleared that up

HAAA

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:07 pm
Reply to  mhenski

No, I just was stating that I recalled reading something along those lines. I specifically stated that I could not recall where I saw it, I also admitted that what I was recalling could be off. My point was that I remembered reading something along those lines. Doesn’t matter, look at what is taking place.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 5:11 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

That’s banner who was a rival that wanted the same high profile coach… That isn’t bill Belichek saying the eagles are disfunctional

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 3:53 pm

Koolbreeze and Songs, Brett Hundley will be playing tonight on ESPN at 6:45. Watch it. You need to know things about the QB you are touting.

andrew p
andrew p
January 2, 2015 4:07 pm

It’s being reported Chip wants out of his contract, I dont blame anyone but Laurie for this, from his stupid man crush on Howie to this weird system that everyone reports to him directly, if chip goes guys this team is gonna be set back for years to come.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 4:14 pm
Reply to  andrew p

chip is turning into a fucking circus.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 4:18 pm

not that joe banner speaks for all the gms in the league but he was once a gm and he is saying winstons td/int ratio is gonna hurt his draft stock big time. 25 tds this year to 18 ints.

he is gonna be available at 15 for sure

and for all that think he can run.. he averages 1.1 ypc… not elusive at all

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:25 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Winston is a pocket passer. He will scramble when pocket collapses, but he always goes through his progressions when he can. Not worrying about TD/INT ratio this year. As much as he slung the rock this year, not concerned. We will see though.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:30 pm
Reply to  mhenski

mhenski…as much as you deny it, I think you secretly would like to see Winston here….lol….you are pulling for # 15. Seriously though, without knowing who the coach may be in 2015 or 16, would the Eagles draft a certain type of QB that is a system fit? I still like QB Jared Goff for the 2016 draft.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 4:46 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

im not opinionated enough about winston to want him or not. i wouldnt care if we took him at the end of the day but i wouldnt be happy either. i dont want a qb round. all im saying is i think he will be there… actually i can guarantee he does not go top 10

chip kelly will be the coach in 2015 and 2016, unless he just quits but then he will lose 6.5 million per year unless he goes back to ncaa. chip previously said he will not go back to ncaa… and if he quits we control his nfl rights for 3 more years/

so unless chip goes back to college for a big time job (are there any available?) or unless we trade him. he is the coach..

chips gonna need to stop acting like a dickboy and do his fucking job and coach!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:26 pm

Jason La Canfora is tweeting that people at Oregon is saying that Chip is really upset and wants out of Philly!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 4:50 pm

So pft is saying that the eagles might be trying trade Kelly… This is turning into a circus … I always say you can’t trade an owner… And if this thing turns into buffoonery, any more than it already is… You can kiss my ass goodbye… F this bull shit

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:58 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

LMAO…HAC, YOU ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 5:02 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Dude I am so sick of the 24 hour sports news cycle, the asshole players getting a pass because they are good (I understand that has happened for years but now we know about it),
I’m telling you I used to be a fanatic, yell at the tv, take losses personally…I don’t do it anymore… I’m slowly getting more disinterested

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 4:50 pm

MARIOTTA VS WINSTON: WHICH IS THE BETTER NFL PROSPECT
Bucky Brooks – January 1, 2015
NFL.COM

It is uncommon for NFL scouts to have an opportunity to see Heisman Trophy quarterbacks square off on a big stage, but the 101st Rose Bowl provided evaluators with a chance to see Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston battle it out in Pasedena. Mariota outperformed Winston in this head-to-head battle, leading Oregon to a 59-20 victory over Florida State.

But with each guy considered a potential franchise quarterback in scouting circles, I thought I would make the trip to the Rose Bowl to see which guy has the edge heading into the draft season. With the game serving as a perfect tale of the tape, here are my thoughts on what Mariota and Winston bring to the table as NFL prospects:

Athleticism
The presence of speedy pass rushers and linebackers throughout the NFL makes it imperative for quarterbacks to be nimble athletes within the pocket. Although NFL signal-callers aren’t expected to be explosive runners or scrambling threats, the ability to elude and evade defenders is essential to consistently move the chains in the pro game.

Mariota is one of the most explosive athletes in college football, exhibiting exceptional speed, acceleration and burst on the perimeter. He is a fluid runner capable of producing explosive plays with his legs while also flashing the skills to extend plays within the pocket to create big plays in passing opportunities. Against Florida State, Mariota rushed for 62 yards on eight carries, including a nifty 23-yard gain that showcased his speed and burst on the perimeter.

Winston is not an explosive athlete of Mariota’s caliber, but he is also a nifty playmaker on the perimeter. Although he is a little herky-jerky in his movements, he displays enough wiggle to avoid defenders in traffic and shows exceptional strength warding off tacklers in the pocket. Winston’s ability to stand tall with defenders draped around his legs reminds me of a young Ben Roethlisberger when he first entered the NFL. Although Winston finished with minus-15 yards on eight carries against Oregon, he capably executed the triple option near the goal line and extended a few plays by rolling to his right or left to buy time for his receivers to shake free. Those plays rarely make the highlights, but coaches and scouts certainly appreciate his ability to extend plays in the pocket.

Edge: Mariota

Arm talent
NFL coaches will quickly tell anyone within earshot that arm strength is overrated, but elite quarterbacks must be able to generate enough zip and velocity to fit the ball into tight windows downfield. Moreover, the top quarterbacks in the game are able to throw the ball to every area of the field with exceptional accuracy and placement.

Mariota certainly the displays the arm strength and talent to play effectively in the NFL. He capably pushes the ball to the outside areas of the field, while also showing the arm strength to make vertical throws down the middle. While his accuracy and ball placement leave something to be desired, particularly on intermediate and deep throws, Mariota has the physical tools to play the position as a passer. He displayed those skills on a couple of “pocket” go throws to Darren Carrington down the boundary for scores of 56 and 30 yards in the third quarter.

Winston is a natural thrower with a strong arm. He consistently throws laser tosses between the hashes, exhibiting outstanding arm strength and touch. In addition, Winston fires the ball with precision to the receivers sitting outside the numbers. Those throws are staple tosses in most NFL playbooks, which is why coaches and scouts will give Winston high marks for his arm talent when they break down the film of the Rose Bowl.

Edge: Winston

Pocket presence

Learning how to play amid chaos is the biggest challenge for NFL quarterbacks. The best quarterbacks have the ability to feel the rush, but are disciplined enough to keep their eyes down field on their intended targets. Watching young passers transition from the college game to the pros, I believe it is the one skill that can’t be taught at the highest level. Thus, elite quarterback prospects must display the courage and composure to function with rushers in close proximity as a collegian, or it’s unlikely they will develop those skills in the NFL despite running through an assortment of simulated drills on a daily basis.

Mariota is an extraordinary playmaker, but he doesn’t show exceptional poise or patience within the pocket. He looks uncomfortable working through his reads when his primary receiver is covered, leading him to quickly flee the pocket or move around to create a potential big play in a scramble drill. While he routinely converts these chances into explosive plays — passes of more than 25 yards — Mariota must learn to play within the confines of the pocket when it crumbles. It’s the same lesson Robert Griffin III, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel are grappling with as pros. Mariota will be challenged to do the same at the next level.

Winston is a superb passer from the pocket. He stands tall at the top of his drop and doesn’t flinch when rushers are in close proximity. Most important, Winston consistently works through his first, second and third receiver in the progression before attempting to flee the pocket. Although his run around fumble against Oregon will make every blooper reel following the season, Winston showed tremendous pocket poise for most of the game. Watching him consistently deliver bullets to receivers working between the hashes, I walked away convinced that he could effectively function within an NFL pocket from Day 1.

Edge: Winston

Football intelligence
The challenge of running a complex NFL offense requires the quarterback to be a cerebral playmaker in the backfield. He must be able to read coverage and defensive fronts during the pre-snap phase, but make quick adjustments after the ball is snapped. Additionally, NFL quarterbacks are routinely tasked with making protection calls or using hot reads or sight adjustments to naturalize blitzes. This is not a standard requirement in most collegiate offenses, but every team has an answer to handling pressure at the line of scrimmage.

Mariota runs the Ducks’ version of the spread with remarkable precision. He makes sound decisions with the ball on zone-reads; he does a great job of counting the numbers to make decisions whether to run or throw bubble screens on read-option plays. Looking at Mariota’s impressive numbers in the Rose Bowl, I was surprised at the production generated off bubble screens and other deceptive screen tactics. He accurately read the reactions of defenders and made the correct call repeatedly. Now, I must point out that Oregon’s offense doesn’t feature the complexities of a pro system, but Mariota thrives running the Ducks’ spread, and that should earn him some points in meeting rooms across the NFL for his superb execution.

Winston plays in a traditional offense that features concepts found in every NFL playbook. From basic smash-corner reads to a variety of level routes between the hashes, Winston is asked to execute progressions that are routinely seen on Sundays. He effectively moved the offense down the field for the better part of a half before a number of turnovers and mental mistakes allowed the Ducks to run away with the game. Although Winston will be tagged with a couple of turnovers in the Rose Bowl, it is important to note that his third-quarter interception resulted from a drop and deflection from an open receiver. When coaches grade the film based on his execution of the assigned tasks, Winston will earn high marks for his play.

Edge: Even

Clutch Factor

Staying or going?

NFL.com’s College Football 24/7 is tracking reports of college football underclassmen in anticipation for the 2015 NFL Draft. Underclassmen have until Jan. 15, 2015 to declare their intentions.

Playing well in the clutch is one of the most important aspects of playing quarterback in the NFL. Elite signal-callers excel when the game is on the line, particularly at the end of the half or following critical errors. These moments reveal a quarterback’s mental toughness, awareness and judgment, while also providing a glimpse at how they will handle intense situations at the next level.

Mariota will earn high marks for his overall play against Florida State in critical situations. He bounced back from a few missed opportunities, missing two receivers for explosive play chances in the first quarter, to get his offense into a groove for three quarters. From using his legs to spark a long drive from his own end zone to making a few big plays on fake bubble screens bombs, Mariota made the plays to blow open the game against the Seminoles. Scouts certainly would’ve loved to have seen Mariota execute a two-minute drill with the game hanging in the balance, but his ability to make the critical plays to seal the game will earn him high marks from evaluators.

Scouts certainly have seen enough film of Winston making plays in the clutch to have a feel for his confidence and swagger in big moments, but he provided another example with his brilliant execution of the two-minute drill at the end of the first half. Winston picked apart the Ducks’ defense on the drive, culminating in a 10-yard touchdown run from Karlos Williams. On the drive, Winston made pinpoint throws in traffic and effectively managed the clock to preserve enough time for a score. Given his history of delivering in the clutch, Winston’s play in the Rose Bowl will further cement his status as a primetime performer.

Edge: Even

Conclusion

NFL Exposure

Jameis Winston through the years
Check out Florida State’s quarterback, “Famous” Jameis Winston, the 2013 Heisman winner and two-sport star.

The Rose Bowl certainly provided evaluators with a terrific opportunity to see the top quarterbacks in college football duke it out on a big stage. Although the game turned into a lopsided affair, scouts will walk away with a better feel for the potential of both quarterbacks. For Mariota, the game showcased his athleticism and playmaking potential as a dual-threat quarterback. He can impact the game as a runner or passer and has a flair for delivering an explosive play at the right time. While he needs to continue to make improvements as a pocket passer and probably needs to play in a system that features several of the components of the Ducks’ offense to succeed early in his career, Mariota is an intriguing prospect capable of developing into a spectacular player down the road.

Winston remains the most pro-ready passer in college football. He is an exceptional pocket passer with big-time talent and valuable experience in a pro system. Winston plays the game in a style that translates easily to the next level; coaches can project how he will play in their system and quickly craft plans to get him on the field quickly as a pro. Although his character issues will raise red flags in most meeting rooms, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the better prospect right now.

Edge: Winston

Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 5:15 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

For whatever it’s worth dept..
Bucky Brooks is an experienced, well recognized
And respectfed NFL Scout & Talent Evaluator
And I agree with most of his Assesment..
I personality am still not sold on Mariotta’s
Arm Strength and still think he’s more of an Alex Smith
Type than an Aaron Rodgers Type at the NFL
Level…while Winston reminds me more of a
Culpepper/McNabb Type as far as NFL QB Skills

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 5:43 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Nice EHL, but anybody who really knows football know this, hell the both of us were saying exactly what Brooks said about Winston in this report for over a year.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:53 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Thanks Big, I thought you guys would enjoy reading it, just sharing the wealth.
No doubt!

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 4:54 pm

can anyone tell me who Darren Degaetano is? it seems like he is some random twitter person and he is the guy convincing everyone gamble was escorted out and that chip is now saying he wants out…

and this guy is basing his information off of anonymous sources that work for the eagles? this smells like possibly an epic troll job?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:02 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I have seen his tweets too. I don’t know anything about him. To me, he is just a guy..but hey…what do I know? Not him, that is for sure!

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:05 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

OK FELLAS SO IM STARTING TO THINK THAT EAGLES PR PEOPLE ARE PUTTING ALL THIS SHIT OUT TO GET THE FANS TO STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CHOKED DOWN THE STRETCH AND INSTEAD ABOUT FRONT OFFICE TURMOIL…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:08 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Naw, this is bad press and shines a very negative light on the organization. Jeff would not allow his organization to be embarrassed like this over that.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 5:15 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Sam donelon(sp) just said … Maybe Howie is wearingt he black hat and chip wanted gamble gone… This whole thing is hilarious… Not one person knows one thing yet everyone has a theory.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:24 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Right!!!!

And not 1 source. Zero real sources…

Only anonymous.

All the media coverage in philly sports and not 1 reporter or real source saw gamble escorted out or no real sources about chip wanting out haaaa.

And the person breaking gamble being escorted out and chip wanting out is some random tweeter named Darren Degaetano reporting all this and some other reporters taking it as real?

Crap Darren is just doing some epic trolling. Just catfishing the entire Eagles fanbase

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 5:22 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Darren used to work for me at the Boone
Zoo, off the Record… I don’t want to get into
Any legal issues for I have enough of my own!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:10 pm

Tim McManus is tweeting that another big move is coming, not involving Chip or Howie. Could Sherman be taking the Raiders job? Could the Eagles be firing Billy Davis?

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:35 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

That would be amazing but I’d guess it’s just another ” reporter” throwing shit at the wall

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:38 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Please announce the following

Billy Davis fired
Cary Williams cut
Eagles got new uniforms coming out
Resigning of maclin
Removing Eagles fight song from the stadium

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 5:47 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I don’t believe Davis will be fired…. Unless Kelly goes.
Kelly to SF for two third rounders… Lol, eagles hire pat shumur, the fan base riots… GCOBB announces more blog posts in the history of the world… Dcars head explodes, gm cliff proposes multiple trades where the eagles end up with thirty three draft picks, kook breeze is signed as taj Boyd’s agent, Boyd realizes in the first preseason game that this isn’t the flag football league that he’s been playing in, he retires on August 10, Fraudman moves out of his house, denounces technology and becomes a hill person surviving on raccoon meat, songs gets an innacculation, ts Johnson has a torid affair with mike Vick, Vick however was never present during any of the ‘romantic’ interludes, good ol HAC… Logs out of GCOBB, spends his Sundays at museums, vineyards, sits down to dinner at kickoff… All because the eagles have another announcement soon… This according to twitter

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 5:53 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

So is Gamble’s firing a national story yet? Huh Vinnie,Cigar. LOL

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:57 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

LOL…LMAO!!! Fan 97.5 reporting fans from San Fran is saying they want Chip…yeah, it’s national!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 6:08 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

97.5 is local

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 5:58 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I haven’t seen it

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 6:08 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

PFT.COM, NFL.COM. has stories on it and comments from people across the nation. It doesn’t get anymore national than that.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 6:09 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

It’s taken a few days.. Obviously it’s been all over philly radio, news etc… Eventually it will get picked up…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 6:13 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You can get the fan 97.5 on the internet. There really is no such thing as local radio anymore in urban markets. I can go to South Dakota or San Diego and still get it and WIP. The beauty of the internet.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 6:35 pm
Reply to  mhenski

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 6:39 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

That would be nice, because that would probably mean Scott Frost will be our new Offensive Coordinator…

I would fire Billy Davis, and offer Defensive Coordinator/Asst Head Coach to Ken Norton Jr – with the quickness…..Every free agent, and his mama would want to come to Philly to play for him.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 6:49 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

DL Coach and Kelly close friend Jerry AZ
Is already the Official Asst HC for the Eagles
You cannot have more than 1 on a Team

jakedog
jakedog
January 2, 2015 5:43 pm

A lot queer about eagles, starting with the front office

Lurie and roseman. Two manly men. Hahaha, couple of faggots

Chip appears light in his panties. No marriage. Arms Always Folded. Looks like an angry bitch

We are the gay parade

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 5:52 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Too far Jake LOL too far.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 5:56 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

To continue… Lion becomes embroiled in controversy as head coach of the jax 8 year old football team… Apparently a rival coach ran the zone read and cited his inspiration was Kelly.. Lion was captured on video yelling profanities such as ‘FU , you chip wannabe’ ..jake dog became a alcohol counselor and went into business with DCAR in an anger management firm

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 5:58 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

LOL

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 6:08 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Hahahahahahahaha.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 5:53 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Haaa.

Chip does strike me as a gay

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 6:02 pm
Reply to  mhenski

There was never a doubt in my mind about Chip..
Send him out packing out West..

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 6:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

Then again, there are lots of Gays in Philly..

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 5:52 pm

Chip Kelly to the 49ers for their 1st Round Pick in 2015 & 2016
Similar to the Deal that Sent Coach Jon Gruden from the Raiders to the TB
Bucs some years ago…
I spoke about this the other day while Chip Kelly was wining & dining with 49ers Owner J York and GM at Balkke at the Rose Bowl
. You guys should take some of my Post’s a little
More seriously…

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 5:56 pm
Reply to  paulman

49ers throw’s in ILB Patrick Willis for good measure..
Since they already have him replacement in Rookie Chris Borkand and were going to release Willis anyways…

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 6:01 pm

Oh shit how could I forget vinnie! Vinnie becomes an ordained minister and performs Ts imaginary wedding to Vick… He then becomes qb coach of the Toronto argonauts where they sign Vick as a desperate attempt to get fans in the street… Vinnie is the lead story on sports center as he attempts to kill Vick after he ran around, fumbled and then put his hat on sideways on the sidelines!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 6:25 pm

Howie Roseman has been elevated to Executive VP of football ops….whatever the hell that is. No word on GM status.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 6:32 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Chip Kelly is head of player personnel. Uh oh…Eagles are Pac 12 Oregon East. Howie Roseman no longer GM.

andrew p
andrew p
January 2, 2015 6:33 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

And Chip Kelly will now oversee player personal n head the effort to find someone he can work with, wait a minute, wasn’t that guy Tom Gamble? This is crazy

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 6:36 pm
Reply to  andrew p

This scares me, we have seen this before…sigh! Chip wanted tayor hart in the third, that is a problem.

andrew p
andrew p
January 2, 2015 6:48 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

You can’t base everything on that, I was more concerned with all the Texan players they picked up over the past couple years, the bottom line is this, their will be no more guessing on who picked who, it’s all on Chip now, let’s give him a chance n see what he does.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 6:48 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

No problem with this EHL, no excuses get your guys fully implement your system but he better realize that in the NFL talent allows schemes to work and forget that culture crap.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 6:52 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

The positive, I know who to blame and give credit to for talent selection. No excuses now.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 6:42 pm

Chip Kelly to institute a new Eagles Uniform with the Color Yellow
In it… This Franchise is doomed.. “Duck’s East”
Good Grief!!!!

andrew p
andrew p
January 2, 2015 6:45 pm

Below is part of luries statement, I’m sitting here shocked right now that Howie got pushed out, shocked in a good way!

“When I said – after the Giants game – that Howie was returning as general manager next season, I meant that. But after carefully listening and reflecting on the lengthy discussions that I had with our senior team, I changed my mind.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 6:47 pm

Howie to Oversee Player Contracts, Salary Cap Issues
And NFL Rules Guidelines and Changes
Chip to Oversee all Player Personnel & Scouting Depts
Which is why Rick Mueller is leaving and why Howie
Talked to Jets about their open GM Position

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 6:57 pm
Reply to  paulman

Slowly but surely we get the truth Paul.

I’m feeling like this whole draft may have been Howies.

I know now we will only get the majority of our prospects from the pac 12 – Here comes another bad draft fellas….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:07 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff…No way will I believe Huff and hart was Roseman, especially after what I have read the dialogue was between Chip and Howie when the 3rd round came up. Chip was taking a Duck. Huff told the media that Chip told him he was going to take him in the draft a month before the draft. Hart told the press that Kelly said he was going to get the “Oregon” family back together. That’s Chip!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 2, 2015 11:16 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

You are correct Eagle. That’s what I don’t want – His overrated scrub recruit Oregon Players that aren’t NFL material.

Get the best talent, and blend their superior talents, and abilities in with your system – They don’t have to play with Oregon to learn this system.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 11:23 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I am just hoping they move away from the Oregon- Pac 10 talent pool. The one Pac 10 player they could have had that would have started, Deone Bucchanon, they passed on. Man…hate to bitch, but the more I think about these moves the worse I feel…lol. Chip has to take better talent over guys he know and feel comfy with. Is it really culture….or comfort?

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 6:50 pm

Hey Cigar, I’m batting 1,000 since December, I need to go play mega millions or something hot damn.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 7:06 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

play numbers 1,2,3,4,5 Mega ball 6; that is my ticket!

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 6:57 pm

Don’t like it at fucking all

Chip got shit for brains when it comes to the draft of the jackass wanted hart in round 3. No good.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:03 pm

2015 Eagles draft: Rounds 1-4a

1. DE Arik Armstead Oregon

2 OT Jake Fisher Oregon

3 CB-Ifo Ekpre Olomu- Oregon

4 OLB Tony Washington- Oregon

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 7:38 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Word is Chip Kelly has petitioned the NFL
For 80 Player Rosters and the ability to
“Red-Shirt”

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 7:10 pm

This does mean that DC Billy Davis returns as the Eagles DC,
If a change were to take Place, it would have be done already…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:14 pm
Reply to  paulman

ya think…captain obvious moment paul.

Chip better make serious progress next year.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 7:35 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Does anyone see DC Billy Davis getting better results?
I don’t . They don’t upgrade the Defense starting now
Then new Titles/Authority for Chip Kelly mean Jack!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:43 pm
Reply to  paulman

Chip better get BD some corners and a legit SS. If Davis gets that he can get better results. Those corners have to have the ability to cover man. What if they bring Nate Allen and Cary back. Then get a fringe cb..a backup from another team…Davis would be done then…by Chip’s hand.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:16 pm

What if the Bucs decide to draft Winston, will Chip go all in for Mariotta at # 2? I think Tennessee liked what they saw out of Mettenberger.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 7:29 pm

So the take away is lurie is a push over pussy and lied to Howie and the fans and was completely cuckholded by chip kelly

Chip looks like he has more on his plate than neccessary. Dudes gonna sink or swim real quick with this shit.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 7:30 pm

Hundley will get drafted before winston

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:37 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Mhensi, you have no idea what you are talking about. Hundley is a fringe 1st round pick. More of a second round talent. Do not let the last game you see these guys in ..or maybe first sum up there QB ability. K-State defense is a sieve, he would look a lot different playing Oregon. I like Hundley, but he is very inconsistent and a streaky passer. His decision making has been good thus far tonight….that too can be inconsistent. He is a streaky player. There is the “Good Brett”..then there is the “Bad Brett”.

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 7:40 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

You know how the combine goes… Dude will outperform Winston…. Winston will drop , hundley will rise. P

mhenski
mhenski
January 2, 2015 7:42 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Winstons decision making is extremely suspect as well as indicated by him averaging over 1 pick per game in ncaa. He didn’t even have a 2-1 td/int ratio.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 7:49 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Brett Hundley holds onto the football way too long for my liking. Every time I see him play I yell at the TV, throw the football.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:54 pm

E0S, that is one of the knocks on Hundley, he holds the ball to long. Speaks to his decision making, and maybe processing.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 7:51 pm
Reply to  mhenski

RG3 with Josh Gordon and Jameis Winston with Kelvin Benjamin look a whole lot different without them.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 8:12 pm

Nick Foles with DJax looks a whole lot different without him!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 8:20 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

ouch! touche, walking into that one didn’t I, LOL

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 8:34 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

It’s all good. QB’s make receivers look good and vise versa. When one leaves, it normally hurts the others performance and production.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 11:28 pm

You mean Kendall Wright with RG3
Josh Gordon got booted from Baylor and only played
A handful of games with RG3..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 7:49 pm
Reply to  mhenski

That speaks to the absurdity of the combine. The tape is the most important thing…game tape. That is why players get overvalued…the combine. Winston threw bad picks this year. He was the exact opposite last year. he and Foles past two seasons mirror each other in that regard. Winston was throwing to 2 freshman receivers and a senior. Some of those picks were on the receivers running the wrong routes. I can say that for certain because I watched most of FSU’s game. Winston would immediately go to the receivers and instruct them on the route they should have ran. That’s why I know he is a good leader on the field.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 2, 2015 7:38 pm

There still is skin in the game….I think the chipper flew back from the rosebowl ,and made Jeffrey blink…his power as Gm is assuredly allowing for him to “buy the groceries” now he had to give something to get something…I’m still hoping it’s bill Davis head…the smoke will clear ,and then …the skin in this game will be revealed…why would Jeffrey flip flop if he got nothing ,in return?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 7:42 pm

Wow, Jeff Lurie took a beating from the National and local media that he had to release a statement. LOL.
That Nova Care Center is a mess. Jason La Canfora had their number when they were on the tour of the USA coaching search.
Someone has to step to the podium and speak … this Howie gets an extension and Chip’s in charge kumbaya magic wand Lurie letter isn’t enough.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 2, 2015 7:42 pm

I’m very pleased with this ,as roles are defined..the organization,just took a major step forward…the emperor ,now buys the groceries..the numbers bean counter,has been put into his proper place…the ownership …flip flopped …that’s ok.to be humbled..

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 2, 2015 7:49 pm

Jason La Canfora tweet..howie gets deal til 2020…

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 2, 2015 8:04 pm

What’s everyones on this move? Will we be better or worse now that Kelly is in charge of all personnel moves?

And the big question – Will Lurie continue to take “voluminous notes” on which staff members like which players in the draft? lol

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 8:08 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

whoever is on the telephone during the draft discussing trades is the head honcho.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 2, 2015 8:04 pm

Meant to say – What’s everyone’s opinion on this move?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 2, 2015 8:08 pm

I LOVE IT

All I read was everyone in the universe – including a zillion on here ranting on and on and on about how this was a:

“circus”
“dysfunctional”
“laughing stock”

LOL

Eat crow bitches.

Maybe Tom Gamble is just a guy they didn;t want around anymore.

All Philly is is a mess of insane conspiracy theories and speculation.

As I said earlier….the firing of Gamble would have been an absolute NO STORY in every other city (maybe not if it was the Jets) in the NFL.

Now a minor restructuring at the top.

Wow.

Shocking!!

Only in Philly do people go apeshit over this non-issue.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 8:16 pm

will they hide in their bunker & ignore the media’s interest in this issue all winter like the DJax release?

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 9:51 pm

You are out of your dumbass mind if you think this wasn’t a major story and Chip told Lurie fix this or I am out if here. You Vinnie become more of an idiot with each post.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 2, 2015 10:41 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Really? Saints just fired 3 coaches with more to come. Yawn. Minor scroll across an espn page.

No “turmoil” or “circus” or “dysfunctional”.

Just a team making changes.

Packers just “promoted” some guy you’ve never heard of named Elliott Wolf to director of player personnell.

Who the fuck cares?

AJ SMith is being promoted in Washington.

Who the fuck cares?

Bill Polian is reportedly about to usurp the GM in Buffalo.

Who the fuck cares?

There are 18 million guys being interviewed for HC positions.

Only in Philly is this “dysfunctional”, a “circus”, a “toxic environment”

Its everyday business in the NFL.

Re-fucking-lax.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 8:20 pm

Eric Kendricks is a stud. He would be a nice compliment in the middle with Mychal.

daggolden
daggolden
January 2, 2015 8:46 pm

I may be wrong but with the announcement of Chip being in charge of all personnel it tells me we are all in for Marriota.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 8:59 pm
Reply to  daggolden

It’s a strong possibility if Tampa takes Winston.
There is a reason why Chip has repeatedly failed to endorse Foles! We will know in 4 months.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 2, 2015 9:27 pm

So this means Kelly wanted gamble out?
Chip Kelly has just become belichek …
Funny three hours ago fraud man was giving Bowie advice about how much work scouting is…
This is priceless! The chip haters are gonna love this! The foles haters are going to say chip needs his kind of QB … This will be interesting

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 9:50 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

who knows what is going on?
Lurie says Howie is Absolutely coming back as GM Sunday then Friday he is promoted and/or demoted with an extension? Is he just placating the football world to get the spotlight off himself?

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 9:56 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

No cigar this means Chip told Lurie fix this or I’m gone. Real easy to see Howie picked on the wrong dude this time. Not a Kelly fan but damn I like it my way or no way. Get that backstabbing bean counting egghead back in a office somewhere far away from me and let me do me.

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 9:50 pm

Chip Kelly just e-mailed me an Application….
I told him Howie tried to low-ball me earlier,
He said, “I’m in charge now, how much you need”
I Start Tuesday 1/6/15

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 10:10 pm

When Chip came to Philly he stated that he was a coach and did not want to be a GM. Now he’s the coach and GM.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 10:16 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

LOL that was before he actually started working with Howie.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 10:43 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I’m not feeling this move Big. I hope I’m wrong, I just don’t see Kelly as a great talent evaluator to the degree he gets complete autonomy over personnel and talent evaluation at this stage of his NFL career. In my opinion, he has done nothing to earn that power yet.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 11:05 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

The most important acquisition this off season will be the guy he hires to be his personnel guy. We’ll have a pretty good idea where this is headed during free agency.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 11:12 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

He had Gamble this past year, and Wanted Hart in the 3rd Big…lmao..gtfoh. I don’t know about Howie, but Chip needs a guy who will check him..It seems as if Gamble just co-signed. You can’t have yes men.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 11:26 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

LOL no denying that but I truly believe he’ll learn that talent trumps scheme and culture if not Howie’s lurking in the shadows knife in hand.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 11:49 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Big, that knife Howie will have in his hand…I will supply to him if Kelly does not learn that…shiiiiiit! I don’t know. I’m ok with Kelly the coach, Kelly the talent evaluator…not so much. If he gets it done I’ll gladly eat the crow, but Chip is stubborn and arrogant, it’ll be hard for that leopard to change his spots!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 2, 2015 10:28 pm

Philly media and over-reacting fanbase too funny.

This is a complete non issue.

Eagle headlines the past 3 days:

Gamble was a Kelly ally
Roseman gains edge on Chip in power struggle
Eagles’ future gets complicated
What Roseman wants, he gets
College looking good to Chip?
Eagles give Chip Kelly more power
Report: Lurie has created a “toxic environment”
Chip has expressed interest in leaving?
Eagles Power Struggle Saga:
Lines from different articles:

tension has developed between Roseman and Kelly
bad blood in Roseman’s scouting department has been brewing and Gamble’s departure could be just the first shoe to drop.
those quotes “infuriated” Roseman.

And Gcobb posters:

soap opera
dysfunctional
circus

and on and on and on and on.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.

Only in Philly do the media and fans CREATE a circus where none exists

Wow….Tom Gamble, an executive assistant is fired.

Guys like that get frikkin’ hired and fired about 20x each and every year yet no one cares.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 2, 2015 10:39 pm

And yet, you continue to post page long write ups about us caring about something you do not care about…lol…hilarious!!!!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 2, 2015 10:51 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

and the Owner has to release a page long official statement concerning the matter 3 days latter.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 2, 2015 11:00 pm

Yep no big deal. LOL

paulman
paulman
January 2, 2015 10:53 pm

Eagles should look to Interview Terry Malone who was TE Coach for Saints and a 9 year Asst with Sean Payton who was let go today.
Malone can help with Development of Ertz & Burton,
As he did with Jimmy Graham and David Hill at NO.
Not a bad guy who to have on your Staff and learn some ideas
& formations From Sean Payton’s Playbook
Bring him in Chip..

Butch007
Butch007
January 3, 2015 12:06 am

Hmmm…Roseman canned as GM. Chip in charge of finding a new GM and is the director of personnel operations? I kind of wonder if Roseman and Gamble went at it and Roseman unilaterally terminated Gambles contract and that’s what brought all of this on?

Some good some bad, hopefully they won’t hire the Oregon Mighty Ducks AD as Eagles GM. Finally, Lurie decides to put Roseman in his place but then it creates a vacuum where Chip conducts a power grab…some good and more Ducks on the way. I don’t get way Kelly needs to be the director of personnel he already clerly had a lot of influence over draft personnel decisions, unless it’s just to insure he can keep the door open to Ducks when the new GM is hired. It would be nice if the Eagles hired Gamble as GM, but considering what went down I know it’s highly unlikely.