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The Eagles Free Agent And Draft Needs

Philadelphia Eagles v Oakland RaidersI think the Eagles top moves this off season must be at the quarterback, cornerback, safety, wide receiver and outside linebacker positions. Head coach Chip Kelly will be the mastermind of these moves.  Here’s my take on them.

Quarterback – Nobody really knows what is the current status at the Eagles all-important quarterback position.  Kelly hasn’t given Nick Foles the thumbs up that he will be the starter at the position in 2015.

Kelly has expressed tremendous adulation for his former Oregon quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota.  It’s very clear that Kelly would like to have Mariota on the roster, but will he be able to move up from the 20th position in the draft to acquire the young signal caller.   It’s doubtful, but I can’t say impossible.

NJ.com’s Eliot Shorr-Parks reported that the St. Louis Rams, who have the tenth pick in this year’s draft, are interested in acquiring Foles as their starting quarterback.  If Kelly is totally committed to get Mariota, he might be able to put together a deal with the Rams that involves Foles and that tenth pick.  It would move him closer to Mariota.

Sportswriter Mark Eckel over at NJ.com wrote that a veteran player agent believes the Eagles will approach Tennessee Titans free agent quarterback Jake Locker and bring him in as a backup quarterback.  Kelly knows Locker from his days at the University of Washington.  The former Huskie seems to have the athleticism to excel in Kelly’s system, but we have yet to see if he can make those split-second decisions with the football in his hands.

I could see the Eagles drafting UCLA signal caller Brett Hundley in the second or third round.  Like Mariota, he’s athletic.  The youngster would have a lot of learning to do in making the transition to the NFL, but he won’t have the pressure of being a number pick, so they could take their time in developing him.

In the end, I believe Kelly is going to be stuck with Foles as his starter for the 2015 season.  I don’t see any other convenient options.  I could see Foles having a good year.  Marietta and Hundley are gambles.  Nobody knows whether they’re going to be able to play the quarterback position from the pocket, which is a must in the NFL.  Athleticism at the NFL quarterback position doesn’t mean much if you can’t consistently make the right decisions from the pocket.

Cornerback – The cornerback positions are the number two and three question marks for the Birds.  In the 2014 season, Bradley Fletcher and Cary Williams were the Eagles starting cornerbacks.   I can guarantee that Fletcher will not be starting next season and the same may be true of Williams.

I think the Birds will acquire at least one veteran cornerback in free agency.   I also expect them to draft a cornerback in the first three rounds.

Seattle’s Byron Maxwell could be the target, even though he didn’t have an impressive performance in the Super Bowl.  Maxwell has the size they want in a cornerback and the ability to play man-to-man out of press technique.  He will be very expensive though and that could make the Birds look elsewhere.

Safety – It’s very doubtful that Nate Allen will start in the secondary beside Malcolm Jenkins in 2015, so the Birds will need to replace him.  I expect them to give Nolan Carroll a shot at replacing him, but they will also take a look at the free agent market.  Carroll has demonstrated the coverage skills to do the job, but he’s got to show he can make the open field tackles and complicated adjustments necessary to play the position.

New England safety Devin McCourty could be an option.  I would prefer the Eagles look for cornerbacks, who like to hit and convert them into safeties.  Nowadays, offenses force safeties to cover, so I would like to see them convert corners with size to safeties.  Jenkins was forced to cover receivers man-to-man a year ago and offenses like the idea of going after a safety matched up in one-on-one situations.

2015 fifth-round pick Ed Reynolds will get his chance to show what he can do.

Wide Receiver – I doubt that the Birds do much in free agency and in the draft at the wide receiver position, but they must resign Jeremy Maclin.  The Birds may have to overpay Maclin, but they really don’t have much of a choice since they can’t expect Jordan Matthews to be their number one wide receiver.  Depending on Riley Cooper to be a legitimate number two wide receiver doesn’t make a lot of sense and Josh Huff may step up.  Cooper was very disappointing a year ago and it seems to have been a mistake to give him a long-term deal.

Huff the second-year Oregon wide out needs to be much more productive this year because he’s got the speed to get deep and has the quickness to be an outstanding playmaker.  Fumbles, dropped passes and other mistakes hurt him in his first season.

Outside Linebacker – The Birds must resign former number one draft pick Brandon Graham, who is ready to start opposite Conner Barwin.  They can resign veteran Trent Cole, but he’ll have to take a pay decrease.  Second-year backer Marcus Smith must be pressured to be more productive this season or hit the road.  There’s no excuse for him not being a big contributor on the Special Teams unit.  Any linebacker who can’t play Special Teams has to be looked as being questionable.

Inside Linebacker – The inside linebacker position needs help because of the Achilles Tendon injury to DeMeco Ryans.  They aren’t the same football team without Ryans and many times players never return to their top level of play after Achilles Tendon injuries. Ryans said he’s coming back, but the Birds must draft with the realization that they can’t depend on his return.  I would like to see them draft an inside backer with size to team up with the small and athletic Mychal Kendricks.

Offensive Line – The Birds need to draft some depth on the offensive line because that group is getting up there in the years with Jason Peters, 33, Evan Mathis, 33, and Todd Herremans, 32.   Herremans missed much of the season due to an elbow injury.  I expect them to bring him back because upper body injuries aren’t normally career-threatening.

Here are the top 25 free agents according to NFL.com.

1. Ndamukong SuhDetroit Lions defensive tackle
2. Justin HoustonKansas City Chiefs pass rusher
3. Dez BryantDallas Cowboys wide receiver
4. Demaryius ThomasDenver Broncos wide receiver
5. Jason Pierre-PaulNew York Giants defensive end
6. Julius ThomasDenver Broncos tight end
7. Mike IupatiSan Francisco 49ers guard
8. Randall CobbGreen Bay Packers wide receiver
9. Devin McCourtyNew England Patriots safety
10. DeMarco MurrayDallas Cowboys running back
11. Jerry HughesBuffalo Bills pass rusher
12. Jason WorildsPittsburgh Steelers pass rusher
13. Jared OdrickMiami Dolphins defensive tackle
14. Pernell McPheeBaltimore Ravens pass rusher
15. Terrance KnightonDenver Broncos defensive tackle
16. Jeremy MaclinPhiladelphia Eagles wide receiver
17. Brandon GrahamPhiladelphia Eagles pass rusher
18. Torrey SmithBaltimore Ravens wide receiver
19. Greg HardyCarolina Panthers pass rusher*
20. Byron MaxwellSeattle Seahawks cornerback
21. C.J. SpillerBuffalo Bills running back
22. Nick FairleyDetroit Lions defensive tackle
23. Brandon FlowersSan Diego Chargers cornerback
24. Brian OrakpoWashington Redskins pass rusher
25. Jordan CameronCleveland Browns tight end

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dbthehb
dbthehb
February 6, 2015 10:07 am

There is Zero chance Chip signs his pink slip by giving up his whole draft PLUS star players to get an unproven QB. I really wish all this nonsense talk would cease. Draft and free agency should be corner safety oilne depth and linebacker/pass rusher depth. We are not that far off from being a really good squad. I also think the new front office structure with Witz and the new hire from Bama will hell Chip tremendously. It should be a fun off season. Good day everyone

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 10:59 am

I would like the Eagles to do the Following for this Off-Season starting Monday 2/9/2015

1) Cut/Release the Following Players which Saves $28.5 Million off 2015 Salary Cap (Trent Cole,Todd Herremans, Cary Williams, James Casey, DeMeco Ryans)
2) Let Current Eagle Free-Agents Brandon Graham,Bradley Fletcher, Nate Allen,Casey Matthews,Brad Smith,Jeff Maehl all Walk and thank them for their Service
3) Attempt to Re-Sign Maclin, Thornton & Polk, but not at Crazy $$$
4) Pursue the Following Free-Agents

CB – Chris Culliver, Buster Skrine, Davon House, Patrick Robinson
Safety – Da’Norris Searcy, S Gilchrist or D McCourtey
ILB – Dan Skuta, Jerome Whilhoite, Nate Irving
OLB – Jerry Hughes, Jason Worilds, O’Brien Schofield, Jabal Sheard,
DL – Pernell McPhee, Jason Odrick
OL – Clint Boling, James Carpenter, Orlando Franklin
QB – Jake Locker
WR – Kenny Britt, Cecil Shorts or Torrey Smith

Then Draft CB,LB,OL,WR & DL

I think Eagles have a 50/50% Chance at Best to Re-Sign WR Maclin
and must have some contingency plan in place in the event they dont
I see less than 25% Chance of Resigning Graham & Thornton who will leave with bigger, longer term deals than the Eagles Offer so SIgning a Free-Agent OLB is a Priority as well CBs

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 12:35 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paul, We don’t always see eye to eye on particular Free agents, and draft picks, but I can honestly say is obvious, is that you always have a clue as to what is needed to improve this team.

I agree with all your cuts except DeMeco Ryans, who I would keep on a more cap friendly number, and limit his actual playing time. I think he is too experienced, and valuable in terms of training younger LB’s to just let go. We’ll just agree to disagree on that one.

My first objective is to improve the Defense. I start with Cole’s replacement. I want Justin Houston on this squad – and if Andy Reid was smarter, and listened to GMCliff, we would have already had him here –

He very likely could be franchised, but he himself would like to be somewhere else – That is a fact – But, I would pay the price of draft picks, and compensation for him than for an overrated Mariota, even through a trade. I would start there. If I couldn’t do it then I would pursue Jason Worilds…..

Next Free Agents:
CB – Byron Maxwell, S – Devin McCourty, CB – Davon House, OG -Orlando Franklin, OG – Mike Iupati, QB- Brian Hoyer

I would trade Connor Barwin. His value will never be higher, and trade him to the highest bidding sucker. I also trade Evan Mathis to the highest bidder.

Draft:

1a. Alvin Dupree – Kentucky – OLB – 6-4 258 4.63
1b. Benardrick McKinney – Mississippi State – ILB/OLB – 6-4 263 4.65

2a. Ereck Flowers – Miami – OT – 6-6 326
2b. Quinton Rollins – Miami-Ohio – CB – 6-0 203 4.51
2c. Doriel Beckham Green – Oklahoma – 6-3 220 4.53

3a. Jalen Collins – LSU – CB – 6-1 190 4.47
3b. Tre Jackson – Florida State – OG – 6-4 336

4a. Laken Tomlinson – Duke – OG/C – 6-3 332
4b. James Vaughters – Stanford – OLB/ILB – 6-2 256 4.7
4c. Jaquiski Tartt – Samford – S – 6-1 220 4.57

5a. Donovan Smith – Penn State – OT – 6-6 340
5b. Jarvis Harrison – Texas A&M – OG – 6-5 346

6. Terry Williams – East Carolina – NT – 6-1 346 5.17
7. Brandon Bridge – South Alabama – QB – 6-5 227 4.71

seansyh
seansyh
February 6, 2015 12:57 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Trade Barwin are you insane?

Trade a 15 sack player who fills a HUGE hole on our team and is locked in at only $6 million per the next few years? NO WAY IN HELL

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 1:50 pm
Reply to  seansyh

His 12 sack total this year veils, and exaggerates his real talent. Jason Babin had 18 sacks the year before we cut him in season when team caught up to how the Eagles were using him. So his stats mean nothing. Barwin is no different; He’s an average LB at best. We can upgrade.

Many think it’s wise to just cut a consistant1,300 – 1,600 yard Pro Bowl rusher in Shady, and a 3 time Pro Bowler in DeSean Jackson….so why not Connor Barwin who isn’t consistent at all???

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 1:52 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Vinny Curry had 8, in a part time role, and you would trade him… right???

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 6, 2015 3:52 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Paul…. Mariotta goes top 8… Book it…top five more likely

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 4:05 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I think if Mariota doesn’t go # 6 to the NY Jets, then he Drops to #10 (Rams) or even further down
I think NY Jets add a Top WR at # 6 (Cooper or White) or possible a stud RB (Gordon) rather than a Developmental QB as they already have one in Geno Smith

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 6, 2015 4:13 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

But as for your comments that Kelly won’t have to jump much because Mariotta is falling is total bullshit. You do understand that not one nfl GM EVER look at a mock? They are a JOKE!…Mariotta top five

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 4:58 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Only if Kelly Panics will he have to move up much
Remember that most NFL Teams do not run a Spread/RO Offense like the Eagles Do and many NFL Teams,GM’s have become a little leery of QB’s who has strictly worked in this type of Offense in College.. Mariota has never taken a snap under Center and this scares off Teams, who most run their Offenses from the Pocket and Mariota will have a big learning curve and then questions about his lack of Arm Strength or the Big Arm to make all the NFL Throws..
I am sure there will be a few GM’s who try to take advantage of Chip Kelly’s Inexperience in handling the Draft and the fact that Kelly Likes and knows Mariota very well… Can Kelly be Discpline enough to get his man (Mariota) without giving up the farm… We will see..

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 4:28 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I like your List of Players GMCliff

At OLB – I don’t see where Eagles would go Top $$$ for J Houston
or Trade Barwin and with Last Years #1 Draft Pick already at the Position
I see then going after a Jerry Hughes, O’ Schofield Type

ON your Draft Picks which I love

1B ILB McKinney has dropped to a Mid 2nd Rounder and probably could be had at #52 for the Eagles
2A OT Erick FLowers is projected as a Late 1st/Early 2nd and will not be on the Board at #52
2B CB Q Rollins has really moved up to late 1st/Early 2nd and won’t be there at #52 for the Eagles
2C WR Doriel B Green is a Early 2nd and won’t be there at #52
3A CB Jalen Collins has moved up the most and is now looking at
a Late 1st – Early 2nd Round Prospect and surely won’t be there at #84
in the 3rd Rd
6A NT Terry/Xavier Williams from East Carolina will go at least 2 Rounds higher after his Combine Workout that the 6th you listed. He’s a big body with athleticism and a high motor and will go in the 4th and is one of my favorite Prospects in this entire Draft Class

Your 4th & 5th Rd Selections are all Solid Players

I would like you to re-think about a more Realistic List of Players who will be on the Board at #52 for the Eagles to Select for 2A,2B,2C in your above list will all be 15-25 Selections ahead of #52

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 7:55 pm
Reply to  paulman

I respect how you feel Paul. But I see Houston as had if the Eagles get aggressive – and just as important as the secondary upgrades..Connor Barwin is NOT an Elite Pass Rusher…period!!

I see Jerry Hughes, and O’ Schofield, as role players off the bench, not starters. They bring nothing that Trent Cole, and Brandon Graham don’t bring – so I wouldn’t waste my time, we have enough of them.

You know me Paul, I would go after what I need , and get it. If Kelly would sell the farm for Mariota, what could we get if he did that, while trading down, and trading both Barwin, and Mathis?????? – Doesn’t seem unrealistic to me.

I’m trading, and trading down for more picks to fill more holes with Better, Younger Talent, while they grow behind my above average Free agent stop gaps.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 7:58 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Oh, and Marcus Smith at this point is irrelevant; We need LB/OLB’s in the worse way – Kendricks is all we have in my opinion.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 8:03 pm
Reply to  paulman

Combine is coming so It’s too early to tell what round prospects will land.

Mocks mean nothing when it comes down to where players will really be drafted anyway.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 11:04 am

As far as Trading the Ranch for QB Marcus Mariota, I don’t really think that
Kelly will have to do so, for Mariota is dropping in most Mock Drafts and if he sits out the Passing Drills at Indy Combine as expected, he will drop even more..
Do note that Mariota has never taken a snap from under Center, played in a read-option, spread Offense at Oregon… Look around the NFL and outside the Eagles, how many NFL Systems does Mariota really fit to warrant a Top 5 or Top 10 Pick….

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2015 11:11 am

Brandon Graham ranked 17th dude gonna get paid. Again lol. Targets should be Iupati,Davon House, McCourty and Locker and any receiver not named Cooper or Maehl, and I don’t care how much a cap hit Cooper is.

dbthehb
dbthehb
February 6, 2015 11:44 am

Paul i agree with all your releases minus Cole especially if lose Graham. Cole said he is willing to take a pay cut and made the transistion to linebacker pretty damn well. Plus he is still an animal and can get after the qb. Im also partial cause he is one of my favorite eagles ever besides Dawk. I also think if he could make it another two seasons he could definatley join the 100 sack club with us…not to bad for a fifth round pick.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 12:06 pm
Reply to  dbthehb

T Cole is Due to Earn $11 Million in 2015, $14 Million in 2016 and then $12 Million in 2017 per his Contract Extension he signed 2-3 Years ago
I released him, then let him Test the Market and then offer him a 2 Year $6 Million Total Deal… There is no reason to pay a 31-32 Year Old Rotational Player who is at best utilized for 25 Snaps a Game, to get to the QB and should not have to pay more $3 Million a Year for this type of Player… This is not about being Sentimental or taking care of a “Good Guy”, Eagles and Chip need to be much smarter than this moving forward…

seansyh
seansyh
February 6, 2015 12:15 pm

No way Brandon Graham stays. He will get paid more to play DE in a 4-3 system which fits his style of play better. Decent pass rusher but cant be relied upon in coverage and is just out of place at the OLB position. Also, its insane to think that Cole can turn out another decent, injury free season. The guy has had a fantastic career but we can’t get too attached to players like the Phils do. I think we should upgrade the other OLB position by signing Worilds. The guy was almost an eagle last offseason, is probably going to be let go because Pitt has no money to resign him, and he is young and productive. I would rather overpay for this position than Maxwell at CB.

I’m completely against going ‘all-in” on Byron Maxwell. The guy has been a #2 his career on one of the best defenses we’ve ever seen. The all-pros around him make him seem elite, but the jury is still out on him in my opinion. How will he fare without Thomas and Chancellor quality safety help? Also, he would get $10 million + per year. If I’m the eagles, I’m signing a solidified #1 CB like Brandon Flowers or Jackson from the Texans. Seems like all the Texans players come to philly and have solid seasons in the new environment.

Cuts: Herremans, Cole, C. Williams.
Let Walk: Everyone besides Maclin, Thorton, and Polk.
Restructure: Ryans, McCoy, J. Casey (top notch on special teams, can be utilized as blocker or FB)

Sign: B. Flowers OR K Jackson, J Worilds, D McCourty, J Locker and depth along the O Line.

At WR, let Huff get some snaps. The guy is talented and can make plays but just needs to get more comfortable on an NFL field.

I would like to see the eagles trade Boykin in the last year of his deal and get a mid-late round pick. He regressed last year and 2nd year player Watkins I think could be a pretty decent player. Not much of a down grade. Also a way to get an extra pick in this draft.

Lastly, don’t be surprised if Demeco Ryans and Bradley Fletcher are back next year. Ryans is the leader on the defensive side, and as we saw in the Andy Reid regime, sometimes losing the leadership and communication is more important than the decline in skill. If he will restructure, he will be back. Also Fletcher, although greatly exposed down the stretch, knows the defense, is tall and long, won’t break the bank, and will be looking to redeem himself after last year. Plus we still have Carroll under contract so he will be on a short leash. They might try to maximize his play by keeping the pressure on him.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 1:55 pm
Reply to  seansyh

Brandon Flowers hasn’t been a legitimate #1 Corner for years……update your vision, and stop being infatuated with names of has beens.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 1:58 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Josh Huff is another Oregon Overdrafted reach. He is a special teams player exclusively; He’s not talented enough to impact this team in any other way…

I can see where your are in terms of logic, when you say Bradley Fletcher may be back……LOL!!…You’re borderline idiot…….

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 4:39 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Josh Huff is an excellent Athlete, but he is not a True NFL Receiver and has very poor Receiving Techniques, not a Natural Receiver and it shows..
He will make his Living on Special Teams and a 5th WR Type who can run some reverses, bubble routes, etc,etc

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 7:38 pm
Reply to  paulman

We agree Paul. How do you feel about Deontay Greenbury of University of Houston?

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2015 10:18 am
Reply to  gmcliff

The big kid from Houston,
Long arms, great leaping ability
Not sure how is Route Running, Blocking
Are but he sure has the tools to bd a good WR
In the NFL as a mid-Rounder…
I like this JJ Hardy from Eastern Carolina
Dezmin Lewis from Central Ark as Mid-Rounders
Also.,

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 2:00 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

and Kareem Jackson has sucked since he came out of College

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 4:09 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Another Alabama Hyped Up player who was elevated by the Scheme he Played in while at College..
I think I’ve stated for a few Years now, stay away from U of Alabama
Secondary Players.. Now their OL and LB’s are good to go, but stay away from their Secondary Prospects

seansyh
seansyh
February 6, 2015 2:37 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Brandon Flowers was on PFF all-AFC west team. San Diego was 29th in the league last year in receiving yards against. This year, with Flowers, they were 4th and he was the only addition they made in the secondary. I go by the stats not by the name

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 4:09 pm
Reply to  seansyh

Flowers had a very good 2014 Season after a disappointing 2013 Season with the Chiefs… He will help any Team he Signs with but would be hesitant for any long-term big Contract

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2015 4:55 am
Reply to  seansyh

Right, the stats, Which really don’t tell the whole story of a players season when you’re getting burned down field on key moments of the game, or beat for first downs consistently, but do make a play from time to time – every 4 games or so..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2015 4:59 am
Reply to  seansyh

Speaking to the PFF All – AFC West Team – Which says nothing by the way.

Sometimes the people that vote on those things are enamored with names too, and give props based on reputation, than the actual season they may be having.

But, Brandon Flowers is better than both Williams, and Fletcher. – I still don’t want him on this team.

paulman
paulman
February 6, 2015 4:45 pm
Reply to  seansyh

I would not be surprised to see Nate Allen back next Year
though it would take a longer term Deal to keep him…
He did the 1 Year Deal with the Eagles last Year but will be in demand this Off-Season and probably get some 3 Year Deals from Clubs like the Bears,
TB Bucs,Texans,Dolphins,Panthers,Redskins, etc,etc so he will have options

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2015 9:44 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paulman Stat wise Allen had a better year than Jenkins if they brought him back I wouldn’t be mad as long as they upgrade the cb spot. To me cb is a bigger need than safety.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 6, 2015 2:50 pm

Eagles need to pick up one of these three cb’s
1.kareem Jackson
2.chris Culliver
3.devon house

Safety
1.raheem Moore or the kid from buffalo
Olb
Jason world’s
Qb- Jake locker
Resign Maclin unless the lions release Megatron
In the draft it should go as followed
1st Rd-cb
2nd- og or tackle
3.ilb
4.wr
The rest bpa

utseabee
utseabee
February 6, 2015 7:42 pm

I think defense should be #1 priority starting with two corners. If Mariota falls to a point where you don’t have to mortgage the farm to get him, than take him. You can win with Foles for now and build up the defense. I think there are way too many Oregon Ducks on this team already. I hope Chip doesn’t Ignore a defense like Rex ignores offense or they will be in big trouble. I would go after a fast wr to stretch the field though.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 8, 2015 8:49 am
Reply to  utseabee

When you say we can win with Foles, what are you saying?

Win what?

The Eagles won with Rodney Peete and even a playoff game.

Teams with QB’s of Foles ilk who won it alk had historically good defenses like the Ravens with Flacco and The Bucs with Brad Johnson defense during the time the at defense was in it’s prime.

Foles don’t have the pocket awareness of any of those 2 QB’s and our defense under Bill Davis will never be an historically good defense, so when you say we can win with Foles……

Win What?

You must a top franchise QB that can carry a mediocre to poor defense to win it all….Foles need everything clicking on al cylinders and no weaknesses anywhere to win big.

He’s just a guy and I’m tired of the Eagles spinning wheels with a team that can only go so far.

Yes we need to improve the secondary but I’m not an either or guy. The defense and the QB position needs improvement for the Eagles to get to the next level, and the QB position is more important if we’re talking about winning the Superbowl.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 8, 2015 10:17 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

So what’s your plan, Songs?

Let me guess… The Eagles should trade away any chance they have of improving the team so they can draft a player with LESS pocket awareness than Foles…. With a WEAKER arm than Foles….. With far less ACCURACY than Foles, just because he can run fast…

But I’m sure the fact that the Ohio State’s (college) defense made Mariota look like a mere mortal did nothing to change your vision of Mariota lighting-up NFL defenses as a rookie..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 8, 2015 3:51 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Right now the Rams is showing interest in Foles with the 10 pick, so they should swap picks to move up to 10 which is a more manageable position to get Mariotta.

That’s moving up 10 spots without mortgaging the future, so they can now package the 10th pick with a 3rd and next year’s number 1 for Mariota.

Resign Vick to be the veteran backup which is an upgrade from Sanchez and now the Eagles have a stronger one, two, at the QB position.

There will be little fall off of there’s an injury.

Mariota will now be the missing piece at the helm for Chip with a better veteran option at backup than Sanchez.

The Eagles could then use the 2nd round pick to get the best corner available with their 2nd rd pick at 20 then and get competition for other positions in the later rounds.

But the secondary has to be addressed through free agency, so getting Mariota is not mortgaging the future if you move up 10 spots and have to address the secondary through free agency anyway.

It’s doable.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 8, 2015 4:21 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

But it shouldn’t be done at all…It’s stupid to focus on a QB we don’t need – and isn’t very good – despite the fact the Defense needs major upgrades in terms of talent.

CB, is not the only weakness of this team. They need more picks – not Mariota

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 8, 2015 4:50 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Songs….when Mariotta is 0-4 with 4 tds and 9 ints with TB early next year, will you be able to tell me who the next great scrambler will be?

Could you start doing your research now please so you’ll be ready to tell me by week 4.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 8, 2015 5:07 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

The Eagles can not beat winning teams with Nick Foles…ok?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 9:51 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

If they could stop the opposing teams Offense with a better Defense they can…..

Screw Mariota…Fix the Defense that they have ignored with providing better talent to for 4 years now, holding on to mediocre talent like Cole, Barwin, Williams, Fletcher, Matthews, and Nate Allen…..Who are they going to scare or stop???

We don’t need Mariota……I agree we may need to be proactive if Foles regresses, but the QB we need will be in next years draft Jacoby Brissett……I would be tempted to do whatever it took to get him…..Mariota can kiss my ass..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 6, 2015 9:43 pm

Watch out for the Raiders. They WILL be improved. They have coaches that appreciate Defensive Talent, and know how to identify it.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 6, 2015 10:38 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff the Raiders hired Del Rio, nothing to see there. Worst hire of the off season.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2015 4:51 am
Reply to  Biglion821

I’ve gotta respectfully disagree Biggie. I don’t think he is bad at all. Besides, I think he understands the limitations that he does have by surrounding him with competent coaches.

I’m sure Bill Musgrave will try to borrow some things he learned from Chip Kelly, but his best hire was Ken Norton Jr, as his New Defensive Coordinator.

I felt Bill Davis should have been let go, and replaced with Ken Norton Jr. That was another missed opportunity for the Eagles to improve.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 7, 2015 9:58 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff I’m judging him based off what he did here in Jacksonville, was never accountable for the subpar play, fired more assistant coaches in the history of the NFL and was a horrible judge of talent. Let’s see if he learned anything this time around. Also when looking at some of Foles regression I look at Musgrave as being partially at fault. I will say Norton is a great hire.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2015 3:08 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

You, and I generally see similar trends, and habits, so I see where you’re coming from. But, I also think it’s difficult to see anything positive being associated with Jacksonville period.

If the Jags had better, stronger talent; because they are a very young team outside the veterans, they may have won more games on experience alone. Del Rio could surprise.

I completely agree about Bill Musgrave. He is a very overrated personality in terms of coaching talent – He is directly responsible for Foles slight regression. He is not Bill Lazor, who is an excellent QB Coach. Ryan Tannehill season is evidence of that.

Norton will be an awesome Defensive Coordinator. Look for GMCliff suggested Prospects Khalil Mack, and Sio Moore, become All Pros due to his coaching.

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2015 3:49 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

No doubt GMCliff,
Sio Moore if he was on a better Team
Would be a Pro-Bowler already and has been a good player since coming into the NFL from U Conn

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2015 5:15 pm
Reply to  paulman

You mean like the Eagles Paul….We could have had him; unfortunately another miss……SMH

andrew p
andrew p
February 7, 2015 10:10 am

I see that people on here think little of Huff but I see a guy with a ton of potential who is gonna show a lot of improvement this year, I see a soenerio where they put macklin n Matthews on the outside n Huff in the slot with Cooper as our 4, that would be an upgrade. I think we’re gonna make a splash in FA this year I just don’t like that Howie is still in this organization, the man is not needed, all that talk of him being a great cap guy is BS! This isn’t ten years ago, everybody today has it figured out, theirs tons of teams with major cap space these days, even the horrible Raiders have more cap space then us, I predict the Eagles are gonna realize he’s not worth the money he’s getting with this new title n he goes after ths year, at lease that’s my hope.

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2015 3:55 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Huff is a converted RB to WR during his Oregon Years
He is a not a Natural Receiver which doesn’t mean
He cannot become one,but he has a big learning curve
Ahead of him…I wish him well but don’t think
He will play beyond his Rookie Deal in the NFL

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 7, 2015 5:18 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Huff is an average- below average talent at best…….nothing special; There is no ton of potential. What are you looking at???

paulman
paulman
February 7, 2015 7:20 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

With the #83rd Pick in last years Draft
Eagles should have went with either Size at WR
with Martavius Bryant, or Pure Speed to replace D-Jax’s
Speed in John Brown Jr, or simply just better and more Natural WR’s
like Dontae Moncrief or P Grant, who all four will have longer and more productive NFL Careers than Josh Huff
Eagles missed with their 1st,3rd, 5th & 6th Rd Picks
Last Year and that’s the reality of the situation

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 8, 2015 8:27 am
Reply to  paulman

Anyone recall JH saying over and over and over again on here that the Eagles should draft Odell Beckham Jr because he has all time great talent?

He did nothing but shock the NFL, excite that giants offense and that fan base

(EaglesHasLanded mentioned Martavis Bryant as well, very good find)

The Giants are set at Wr for the next 5 or more years

Eagles should have traded up for him

As much as I like Jordan Matthews and see that he also has great potential, I’d still take Beckham over every other Wr in that draft

paulman
paulman
February 8, 2015 8:40 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Easier said than done JH

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 8, 2015 4:22 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

I remember Mike Evans….

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 7, 2015 9:36 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Yeah, I don’t see Huff becoming anything more than a return guy/number 3 receiver, at best.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 8, 2015 10:02 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

How quickly people forget 14 kick returns for 415 yards.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 8, 2015 10:40 am

Yeah – that’s 29 yards per return… that’s up near the top of the league…

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 8, 2015 1:39 pm

Because the drops and fumbles cancelled that out, also consider Chris Polk returned a kick off for a TD, so I think the special team scheme had much to do with those return yards.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 8, 2015 4:23 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Preach Biggie, and Irish……Waaaeeeeeelllll!!!

andrew p
andrew p
February 8, 2015 11:49 am

Again, I see Huff making major strives this year, I also see this new secodary coach do something special with Watkins, I know we are looking at last years draft as a total bust except for Matthews but I believe teaching (coaching) has a lot to do with it, don’t b surprised to see Foles shaping back to form with this new QB coach too.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 8, 2015 2:15 pm
Reply to  andrew p

It’s just wishful thinking on your part. You’ll get over it when reality hits you in the mouth.

Huff has shown nothing to think that, and what has Watkins done for you to see him improving – even just to get on special teams?????

andrew p
andrew p
February 8, 2015 3:06 pm

They both came from major programs n had big rolls on both, u don’t all of a sudden forget how to play, Warkns is gonna have a breakout with this new coach, as for Huff? He said the terminology was totally different then what Chip ran at Oregon, now that he has it down n doesn’t have to think as much your gonna be surprised the difference in him this year.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 8, 2015 4:14 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Doesn’t mean a thing in the pros Drew..

Most of the bust in the NFL come from major programs – I know that isn’t your measuring stick for assured success???

I respect you feel that the light will come on for Watkins – I hope it does as well – but what is your reasoning for why he couldn’t even get on the field for special teams – because you still haven’t answered my question as to what makes YOU so sure he will improve.

Terminology, has nothing to do with a lack of talent. Nick Foles wasn’t familiar with that same terminology – at the most important position on the field in this Offense – and had success. You don’t need to play in Chips Oregon system to make an impact on this NFL Team.

Andy Reid used to bypass on superior talent for sake of players he felt fit his system, and could never understand why he hadn’t won a Super Bowl in 14 years with the Eagles……asinine……

Dude Huff is an average prospect – at best – that only Chip values. He was a reach where he was drafted…BTW, he values Taylor Hart even more wanting to draft him in the 3rd Round as well ; Major reach for a player that shouldn’t even be in the league – and a wasted pick

andrew p
andrew p
February 8, 2015 7:22 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

G, if u remember what Chip said, he said he adapted to play to Foles strenghts, that’s y he was able to adjust, as for what I see in Watkins? I saw him a lot in college n the kid can play, he plays with something that can’t b taught, INSTINCTS! Because of that he has a shot, I believe with this new coach n a better understanding of the system he’s gonna get some playing time n surprise, listen GM, just because some players take longer to learn a system then others doesn’t mean they can’t play.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 8, 2015 8:48 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Right Bruh, Instincts that didn’t display themselves in the NFL….

His College accomplishments are irrelevant right now. He has proven up to this point that his talents don’t translate to the Pros – Which is a different game.

Kelly won’t be able to beat elite teams without better Defensive talent either. Foles doesn’t play Defense either….

The Eagles have been consistent with drafting average players…How long has is taken Nate Allen to prove he can play??, Earl Wolfe??, Danny Watkins??, Trevor Laws?? Kevin Kolb??……Sometimes Drew, it is what it is….

deserteagle
deserteagle
February 8, 2015 9:55 pm

Paulman ..GM…especially ,im appreciative of the insights into the talent pool,that the eagles..will be fishing in ..what I’d like address ,is with proverbially all the chips on the table ,what will be the result ? I do know this much,it can not be as bad as this years draft ,you can’t afford the luxury of swinging and missing ..And you can’t deny that chemistry and culture ,are at the very core of this coach..he’s now surrounded ,not by happenstance a great assemblage of young ,and I’d assume ,energetic techno football guys of the X generation…I think that’s the imprint he’s assembling with his new team ,as well..he had the misfortune ,catching lightning in a bottle with nick foles two years back..he rode that horse ,and ,He witnessed nick foles driving for a late 4th quarter score only to see special teams on the kickoff and the defense of Bill Davis lose that game ..not nick foles…how many guys songs and Kool can you point to that do that ? I’m not happy with his regressions ,as all of us are ..but..they’re coach able and fixable..protect him with an O line …that we pray remains healthy ,(last year we had you and me blocking) just guys …let’s be real…he heard birds in his ear hole …that can’t be optimally how the Brady’s and Rodgers and mannings play ..they’re uniforms remain clean ..that’s a Super Bowl formula..also let’s address the 600 pound elephant…on the 50 yard line …we haven’t yet ,nor do I hear it being addressed …nick or whomever ,needs replace desean ,a guy who takes the safety out of the box..it cures two ailments ..it’s a weapon you must have in chips offense …at the very least ,the threat of it ,creates defensive concerns…it also obviously opens a lane for shady ,without a safety sitting in the box …go get some younger badder talent and sprinkle the back end with one safety who is replacement for b Dawkins …we still haven’t solved that fuck up… Get a premier corner ,shrink the offensive teams options and shrink the field ..guys can swarm …ala seahawks …schemes win on defense …bill Davis instead of norton jr ..isas obvious as the crack in the damn liberty bell…he’s a guy who is a motivator ,who guys respect ..I ask chip?i thought every one and everything is being evaluated ,and potentially upgraded? Swing and a miss in my opinion…next is free agents ,and the pinnacle of mt Rushmore or Barney rubble ..the draft ..I hope he reads this blog …with a cold one…go get em coach but ,remember you already have strike one..

deserteagle
deserteagle
February 8, 2015 10:02 pm

Songs what the fuck are you smoking…all year ad nauseam I’ve listened to your nick folish fetish ..and you mentioned cutting his ass…now you’re posting he will get us the tenth pick in the draft..guessing that shows your football acumen huh? He’s hot shit ..you posted a few minutes ago the eagles can’t beat winning teams with nick foles..but…he’s worth a tenth pick…you’re hilarious …

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 5:27 am
Reply to  deserteagle

He won’t get us the 10 pick in the draft by himself…it’s Foles packaged with our pick at 20.

No one would give up a top 50 pick for Foles but we’re in a situation where a team picking at 10 actually want his bum ass. That can actually work out for the Eagles.

deserteagle
deserteagle
February 8, 2015 10:10 pm

I watched nick foles here in u of a ..he’s tough …he’s a puppy ,and this isn’t the eagles biggest concern ,we all know it’s bill Davis …this is also a guy I saw a lot of here in the desert ..I’ll ask this …how did the cardinals defense respond after his departure ? Look he’s just a guy …I want a coach..there’s a lot of swinging and missing ,in any program ..but coaching is the foundation ,you build,championships on..don’t try to reinvent the wheel …and defy the odds ..talent and coaching ,creates the best culture …winning .hides a ton of ailments ..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 5:25 am
Reply to  deserteagle

OK…So don’t we need a QB that can overcome with a Defense ran by Billy Davis if he’s the problem?

Billy Davis isn’t going anywhere so we need to a QB who can carry the defense and keep them off the field like The Cowboys did for their defense.

That’s being able to convert on 3rd down and you will never guess what QB was one of the worse on 3rd down efficiency last season?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 5:40 am

Trade Nick Foles to the Rams to get up to 10 and give them our pick at 20, then package the number 10 pick with our number 1 next year which will be a late 1st rounder anyway to move up for Mariota.

First cats was on here claiming it shouldn’t be done because the “morgage the future” excuse.

That kills that excuse….We getting a top pick this year for only Foles and a first rounder next year, leaving the Eagles with many picks for the future.

I’d even throw in a 3rd rounder for good measure.

Still there’s a way to get Mariota without mortgaging the future.

He can’t play any worse at the QB position than Foles and if he gets 7 points from both the defense and special teams in the first half of the season like Foles then he can do better than 6-2 coming out the chute.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 9:56 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

If they want Foles, that’s all they would get from me. At this point Foles is better, and more proven than Mariota. Let’s see how fast Mariota get to the Pro Bowl, and wins MVP……

I’m not giving them my #1, along with Nick Foles, because we don’t need Mariota – who I don’t think will be a good pro with Chip, or anybody else – He isn’t that good of a prospect

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 7:04 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Foles led the league in turnovers up until he went down, and played like hot shit sense preseason. How could Mariota do worse?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 9:58 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

“Trade Nick Foles to the Rams to get up to 10 and give them our pick at 20, then package the number 10 pick with our number 1 next year which will be a late 1st rounder anyway to move up for Mariota.”

JUST PLAIN DUMB TO GIVE UP A GUY THAT HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE OUR STARTER, AND 2 #1 PICKS, FOR A QB THAT WILL NOT BE THAT GOOD!!…..JUST DUMB!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 7:44 am

Nick Foles? If Eagles want a Super Bowl, they should get Marcus Mariota, says Mike Mayock

ARLINGTON, TX – JANUARY 12: Quarterback Marcus Mariota #8 of the Oregon Ducks passes out of his endzone in the fourth quarter against the Ohio State Buckeyes during the College Football Playoff National Championship Game at AT&T Stadium on January 12, 2015 in Arlington, Texas. (Photo by Tom Pennington/Getty Images) (Tom Pennington)
By Eliot Shorr-Parks | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
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on February 08, 2015 at 5:30 AM, updated February 08, 2015 at 5:32 AM

Until he is on stage holding the jersey of another team, the debate in Philadelphia will go on and on — should the Eagles do whatever it takes to land Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota?

To NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock, there isn’t much of a debate.

“If the Eagles think he’s the guy and that they can win a Super Bowl with Marcus Mariota, given people around him and a good defense,” Mayock said during a recent interview on 97.5 The Fanatic (via Birds 24/7), “then I think they have to try and go get him.”

Mayock’s belief that the Eagles should move up for Mariota comes from, you guessed it, the quarterback’s ties to head coach Chip Kelly.

Kelly coached Mariota for just one season at Oregon, but has spoken very highly of the Heisman winning quarterback. During his three year stint at Oregon, Mariota finished with 105 passing touchdowns, 29 rushing touchdowns and just 14 interceptions.

In addition to Kelly’s ties to Mariota, Mayock also pointed out that the team’s current quarterback, Nick Foles, doesn’t seem to have what it takes to be an elite player.

“If you take the assumption that you can’t win a Super Bowl without a ‘franchise quarterback’ and in modern football history, who has won Super Bowls without one? Maybe Baltimore with [Trent] Dilfer and maybe Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson? And you could say maybe Nick Foles is like one of those two guys,” Mayock said. “But those two guys had two of the best defenses in the history of the NFL.

“So if you can’t win a Super Bowl without a franchise quarterback, and there’s only 10 or 11 franchise quarterbacks at most in our league today, then you better beg, borrow or steal and figure out a way to get one if you don’t think you have one.”

Where Mariota will go in the draft, and what the Eagles might have to give up to get him, is anyone’s guess. Some mock drafts have the quarterback going No. 1 overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, while others have him dropping to the New York Jets at No. 6.

Why might Mariota fall? Here is a breakdown of what Mayock said he liked and didn’t like about the quarterback.

Pocket Awareness
The second piece is the pocket awareness piece. I think he’s inconsistent. There’s some full-field reads. I think he tucks the ball down and runs early, and the problem is right there. You can’t kill a kid for using his legs to win games. That’s what he’s supposed to do, that’s what he’s coached to do. So you can’t kill him for it because he’s doing all the right things. But it does become a projection as to whether he can do what his coach in the NFL’s gonna tell him to do.

Off the Field
First guy in the building everyday, all those kinds of things. No problems off the field. I want to buy into Marcus Mariota. He’s clean, there’s no off-the-field issues. I love all the individual components.

Physically
From a physical trait perspective, he has everything you want. He’s big, he’s athletic, he’s got great feet, and he’s got a live arm. So on the surface, the individual components all work. The problem is he’s a projection coming to the next level because of the pocket awareness, the progressions and the reads.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 7:59 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Exactly!

Mariota is made for Chip Kelly’s offense and have all the physical tools head and shoulders above Foles, and if you were to have Foles enter the draft right now after NFL experience he still wouldn’t be a 1st rounder, let alone a top 10 pick.

It’s a no brainer if Chip Kelly is trying to win a Super Bowl during his tenure. Foles is just a guy.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 9, 2015 8:19 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I think back to 2012 at the Scouting Combine. I remember Mike Mayock standing at a podium telling reporters nearly the exact same words about RG3. It’s almost eerie how similar his words are… How much stock can you put into what he says?

Eaglehaslanded, I heard Mike Mayock on the radio and honestly, it made me like Mariota less….

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 8:25 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

If you really want a good chuckle go back and take a look at his analysis of thte 2011 draft. He was absolutely GLOWING with praise on the Watkins pick and also the Jaquan Jarrett pick!– said Jarrett would team up with Nate Allen to form one of the best safety tandems in the league! LOL

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 9:06 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

I would never listen to what a person says about another in terms of talent evaluation to the degree that it will sway my own opinion one way or the other. I look at their body of work and make my own decision. Chip kelly was sold on Marcus Smith by listening to what HC Charlie Strong said about MSII, how is that working out? To know Kelly’s philosophy on the draft, i.e., it’s a crap shoot and he just wants to get his guys, even if it means overdrafting them…(see Taylor Hart and Josh Huff) is a problem! As far as Mariota is concerned, I think with the proper development, he will be fine.
Poor drafting, e.g., the J. Jarret’s and Danny Watkins of the world is the reason why the Eagles do not have a championship, sure, they were high character guys, but, culture can not overcome poor drafting.
As far as Mayock, I also remember him saying that the Eagles should move up for Earl Thomas, when he Eagles did move up, he said it was for Thomas, but the Eagles chose Graham, Mayock was right in his evaluation. It’s easy to pick out a guys screw ups, but he has hit on plenty too!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 9:12 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

hence the term crap shoot.
this is all fun to talk about– but its february- chip says nothing to nobody so its nothing more than blog banter… i’m on record as saying my belief (for the reasons I stated at the time) is that chip will not make any attempts for mariotta and if for some reason even if he drops to a ‘doable’ trade area (8-12) chip will not go after him.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 9:27 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I do not believe the draft is a crapshoot. Teams that consistently draft well do not see it as a crapshoot. Teams that do not draft well see it as a crapshoot. A convenient excuse as to why they have poor to average drafts. Just because Chip says it’s a crapshoot means nothing to me as I do not believe in all of Chip’s cute little sayings or philosophies. It is a crapshoot when you over value players talent because you are familiar with them from your college program. It is a crapshoot when you take MSII over a Deone Buchannon who i said the eagles should take. It is a crapshoot when you take a Josh Huff over a Martavis Bryant who I also said the eagles should take..BTW, both Buchanon and Bryant balled out this year, Smith and Huff, not so much..lol!
Now, if Chip beleives the draft is a crapshoot, why would he put much value or stock in draft picks. I postulate that if Chip truly feels like this, then it will not be a big deal for him to get rid of draft picks to move up to get a player he covets and believes in, the risk would be worth the reward for a man who feels the draft is a crapshoot.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 9:35 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

oh when you said ‘mayock has misses and he has hits’ — i thought that meant it was a crap shoot.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 9:38 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Nope, no one is going to get every pick right, however, there are some picks that are just inane and inexcusable…Danny Watkins and Jarret. I hated both picks…let me say it again, it’s not a crapshoot to me!

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 10:19 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Jarrett was just a terrible pick as most who followed that Draft Class had him as a 4th/5th Rd Prospect at Best…
Eagles took him in the 2nd Round… I stated afterwards that Jarret would not even see the end of his Rookie 4 Year Contract with the Eagles … Brutal..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 9, 2015 2:40 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Interesting the Jarret pick, kid is playing well for the Jets but didn’t show a thing in Philly.

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 3:45 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Jarrett is a Special Teamer and a 3rd/4th Safety …
I knew the Eagles were in Trouble as soon as Jarrett stepped on a Scale at Indy Combine, where he measured in a 5-10 3/4″ Tall & 194lbs when Temple’s Guide had him listed as 6-1 & 210lbs… What A Crock…

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 9, 2015 5:51 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Really Paulman how many special team players were named AFC defensive player of the week? Dude plays and plays well for the Jets. He wasn’t coached in Philly obviously or he was being coached differently in New York.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 8:54 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Hey Paul you flat out liar!!! flat out~!!! on May 1, 2011 this was your expert assessment of the eagles draft including your jarrett pro

Now that the Draft is over and teams are mulling over their needs not met in the Draft, I am sure there will be more chatter between Free-agent Playters, Agents and teams.. With all the time on their hands, what else are they going to do. and impossible to POlice from the NFL’s perspective
Paulman’s Analysis and Predictions of Eagles 2011 Draft

#1) OL Danny Watkins – Starter from Day 1 at RG position for the 2011 Team and could take over for Justice at RT by 2012 Season if Justice struggles this Season
#2) Safety J Jarrett — Starter at SS Day 1 and will eventualy be teamed up with FS N Allen (when he returns from injury) to form a very promising Safety Tandem for the next 6-8 Years..
#3) CB C Marsh — Will surprise and open some eyes with his physicality and plays on the ball, Will excel in SPecial Teams and possibly Return some Kick-Offs and see some action in Nickle situations or to match up certain big WR’s (Nicks,Bryant,etc,etc) . Marsh wins the Starters spot in 2012 opposite of Samuel, (Lindley because the #1 slot CB and replaces J Hanson for the 2012 Season and will eventually replace Samuel in 2013)
jection– Fraudman is a liar!!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 9:26 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Ouch, words coming back to bite em in the buttocks!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 9:30 am
Reply to  haveacigar

That happens when you are a chronic LIAR!

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2015 9:54 am
Reply to  haveacigar

That was my Post-Draft Optimistic Look at the 2011 Draft which was a poor one to say the least..
Go look up and forward my Summer Evaluations of this Draft Class once they were in Camp with Pads on and you’ll see a much better and realistic assessment… I did like OL Watkins Potential but he didn’t have the heart and lost it once his best Friend and Coach AR Son’s Overdosed and Died which really set Watkins back ..
So go ahead and check my 100’s upon 100’s of Comments and Posts about anything and go ahead and pick out a few here and a few there if that’s what your into….
Good Grief…Get a Life HAC…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 10:04 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Those archives will bite you in the ass every time lmao…..

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2015 10:15 am
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC with the Strong Language of me being a “LIAR”
As if I have anything to Lie about on here on a Sports Blog… Get a Life you HAC … I have nothing to Prove to you or anyone else on here..If you don’t like my Post’s, then don’t read them and move on… Who Cares.. Really… Since you never have anything of consequence to add to any conversation….

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 10:16 am
Reply to  haveacigar

me get a life? how bout you stop lying on a blog– “I said at the time that Jarrett was a waste” but really at the time you said the exact opposite.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 10:19 am
Reply to  haveacigar

paul how is it strong language when its right there…. you LIED–

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 9, 2015 3:57 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I would never listen to what a person says about another in terms of talent evaluation to the degree that it will sway my own opinion one way or the other.

Then why the half page article about Mike Mayock’s opinion?

Picking Earl Thomas and Eric Berry as top safeties in the 2010 hardly makes Mayock an oracle…. 90% of the Eagles fan base were shocked when the Eagles didn’t take Thomas.

Mayock struggles with quarterbacks and running backs – just check the record.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 6:59 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

I put the article up just for people to read as I found it interesting, nowhere did I say it reflects my opinion….did I?
Once again, I do not base my opinions on what someone else thinks…solely on what I see.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 11:27 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

It is the truth though…Having a chance for A franchise QB is worth the risk or just be content with beating up losing teams only to fall short in the wildcard round.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 7:59 am

Lots of ‘ifs’ in that article–“IF the Eagles THINK that Mariotta is a franchise QB:” “IF you take the ASSUMPTION that you can’t win w/o a franchise qb”–IF mariotta is this freaking good wouldn’t the other 32 teams make the same assumption? don’t the teams in the top of the draft need a franchise qb? don’t they want to win a SB?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 10:04 am
Reply to  haveacigar

You can’t argue with that Ciggy, that right there is sound reasoning…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 9:17 am

I was told on this site a week, ten days ago that Mariotta was slipping in mock drafts- I looked at 6 this morning- he is 1 or 2 in 4 of them and 6 in the other two– there is no way on earth the eagles are going to get from 20 to the 1 or 2 spot…. no way!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 9:35 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I agree with you there, nor should they give up that much to go from 20 to 1-2. I have stated, I am fine with Foles for 2015, do I think he is the answer, at this point looking at his injury history and regression from 2013, not so much. I like Jared Goff and Cardale Jones as future QB prospects. The defense can be built up this offseason and the O line can get some depth if the eagles make the right moves. What scares me is that it seems some of the guys on GCOBB can evaluate talent better than the Eagles..Biglion, GMCliff, Paul, Dcar have found better prospects for the Eagles, players available for when they picked in past drafts….it’s not a crapshoot when you have a sound, philosophy.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 10:06 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

The so called experts are too critical, over think it, and give too much attention to the hype of Popular College Superstars…….then get fired.

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 9:53 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Give it time HAC<
Nothing Changes much in the Mock Drafts until after the Indy Combine..
If Mariota fails to compete in the Throwing & Running Drills as expected, his Descent will start then, as I stated… Lots of Time between Now and Late April…

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 10:05 am

I agree EHL,
I guess until the Eagles get a True Defensive-Minded Coach, this Current Philosophy that we will OUtscore you to Win Games will persist…
Both AR and NOw CHip Kelly do not seem as Confident or as Passionate about building a Strong Defense for the Eagles and to be honest, the Eagles won’t win a damn thing until they Focus on Defense, Defense, Defense..
Yes it may not be sexy or exciting to the young Fans of the Eagles, but for us older Fans, this Franchise was built on having Strong Defenses and a Physical Style of Play that brought a Sense a Pride to Eagle Fans..
These Days have been long lost for 10 Years or so now and I am tired of it…
Get back to Basics, with Sound Fundamental & Physical Defenses,Players and & Team…
When you have a Good Defense with Good Special Teams, you are in every Game regardless if your Offense sputters a bit.. Give me a Good Dominating Defense any day over a High-Scoring Offense… but that’s just me.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 10:07 am
Reply to  paulman

How long have I been screaming, and pleading to fix the Defense Paul???

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 10:12 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Now everybody, and their mother can see why – my issue is why couldn’t they see it before. We just can’t be content with the playing over their head game in game out, year after year.

We need better talent on Defense….starting with OLB Pass Rushers, and a viable replacement for DeMeco Ryans, not a Cornerback that won’t be good enough to start anyway, and rush him, with the expectations that he is better than he is, and has already reached his potential – and end up getting Bradley Fletcher results for them.

Sign Free agent stop gaps Maxwell, and House, and let the CB draft pick develop gradually.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 10:13 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I told you guys months ago about Quinton Rollins, but he still need time.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 10:27 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff, Paul, What do you guys think of Nick marshall making the transition back to his original position of CB?

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 11:51 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I see little chance for Nick Marshall at the NFL Level as a CB..
He just doesn’t have the natural fluidness and hip movement to turn and run with NFL Caliber WR’s
He’s a heck of a Athlete and may have a better chance at WR/Returnman than as a CB if he wants to make the NFL in my opinion..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 12:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

I have only seen him play CB in the senior bowl and even then I did not see that much of him. Richard Sherman was a WR before he turned to the CB position, he slipped to the 5th because he was not able to do this, that, and the third, but, he could do it. I am going to youtube him playing CB to see. The combine is next week so we will se how fluid and agile he is. They have the one drill that will show us how he flips his hips, cover, and adjust to tracking the ball. He has great speed, if he shows he can do it, you have to consider it.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 9, 2015 12:58 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

You never know Eagle, but that’s why Undrafted Rookie Free Agents are important to the talent pool. They can make you look pretty smart, but you never draft those projects, especially if you have no tape on them playing that position – unless you are sure you see something no one else does…

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 1:51 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

If he shows the abilities in the Drills , then yes Marshall could be a nice Undrafted Free-Agent where you hope he learns and progresses to a Practice Player level and moves up from there
Remember Curtis Marsh was a RB in College and then Utah had injuries to their Secondary and converted him to a CB where he went on and had a decent College Career but rarely saw the Filed in his 3-4 Years with the Eagles even as a Back-up… A Good Camp and Practice Player but never able to translate it onto the Field at a Consistent Level enough and was never picked up by another Club..
I believe the Eagles took Marsh with a 3rd Round Pick which surprised Draft Geeks for being Selected a Round or two too Soon… There were some nice Players still on the Board when the Eagles Selected like LB KJ Wright, Safety Da’Norris Searcy, Guard Clint Boling, TE Jordan Cameron, OLB Sam Acho, CB Davon House, CB Buster Skrine to name a few

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 9, 2015 2:43 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I’d try him at safety first, EHL he’s one of kids who can play football but has no true position.

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 10:26 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Ever since we joined GCobb which is what 4-5-6 Years ago….

deserteagle
deserteagle
February 9, 2015 10:23 am

Replace B Dawkins …replace desean…address the holes …not foles…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 10:34 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Foles’ regression has a lot to do with the absence of Bill lazor type coaching..tough. Foles did not like it, although he performed well under it. He did not do well under the laid back approach which he received last year. Nick needs to suck it up, stop complaining about tough coaching and open himself up to it. I do not need or want to hear “I need to keep working hard and fix this and that” week after week. He had a direct hand in his lapse complaining about Lazor, it was the Lazor approach that made him successful in 2013.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 10:50 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I never heard or read about Nick complaining, Never. can you refer us to the article that says he didn’t suck it up or complained… I would have thought I would have noticed that article.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 11:38 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Nope, no articles for you. Just recall the discussions about it on IP on the Mike and Ike show after Lazor left. However, articles, written stories which you have read and disagreed with meant nothing to you so no need for me to look for that.
Foles is not the type to put that out in the media anyway. He’s a culture guy.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 11:46 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

well if a reporter had that it would be a big story– its all just made up conjecture– or in other words…BULL SHIT!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 11:49 am
Reply to  haveacigar

We all believe what we want to believe, just like Djax being a member of the Crips, BIIIIG story, all bull shit though.
If it’s in writing and a big story it must be true though..lol!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 12:05 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

well obviously a written story can be crap– but that story you are coming up with is just made up… flat out.
the premise that a second year, third round pick is whining and complaining about his coach? holds no water- he would have no power or leverage to make such a complaint..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 9, 2015 3:15 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

It was known fact amongst Eagles beat writers that Foles had an issue with Lazar and it was written about.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 6:56 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Bleeding Green Nation

Eagles hired Bill Musgrave for Nick Foles, according to report

By Mike Kaye  @mike_e_kaye on Jan 23, 2014, 10:00a 66

The Eagles think enough of quarterback Nick Foles to make coaching hires based on his personality. That is exactly what the team did with the hiring of new quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave, according to Philly.com’s Jeff McLane. Adding Musgrave to the staff was with “Foles in mind,” according to McLane.

The move may actually lead to more success for Foles, as McLane reports that he and Bill Lazor “occasionally butted heads over the coach’s intensity.” Musgrave is said to be more of a mild-mannered instructor, which will likely jell with Foles’ calm demeanor.

The Eagles still have not confirmed Musgrave’s hiring, but if McLane’s sources are accurate, the move says a lot about how the team feels about Foles. The front office is giving him all he needs to be successful, so really it is on him to deliver. Musgrave has helped develop pocket passers such as Matt Ryan, Byron Leftwich and Jason Campbell in the past, so his experience should benefit both Foles and Matt Barkley in 2013

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 9, 2015 9:47 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

LMAO @leftwich and Campbell. Musgrave is a QB killer, poor Derek Carr.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 9, 2015 10:19 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Well as long as Jeff McLean reports that they butted heads then it must be true!

More Philly media-style innuendo and conjecture. You guys love this shit.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 7:42 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yep, we love it, just like you love riding Foles’ jock…funny, you keep commenting on it. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. Or better yet, honor your bet and leave GCOBB!!!

zilents44
zilents44
February 10, 2015 8:35 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Good ole make vinnie honor his bet ehl trust me it never works….lol bitches gonna be bitches

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 9, 2015 11:40 am

Mike Mayock will be on WIP at 12 noon on Mike and Ike show.

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 11:42 am

The more I check and study this 2015 Draft Class, the more I come to the conclusion that there are not a lot of “Game-Changers” on either side of the Ball and especially on Defense… Lots of good, talented DL,LB’s and CB’s but not an
impact or Starter that I see in their Rookie Season outside of DT L WiIliams
Most of the Top Pass-Rushers in this Class really have a lot of Work ahead of them… Randy Gregory at 245 lbs is not disengaging from a NFL OT
Shane Ray at 245lbs , Vic Beasley at 235lbs will find it very difficult to get on the Field their first Season or Two until they bulked up and add 20 lbs or so while still keeping their Speed and Atheticism… These Players all remind me of Eagles Draft Pick W Sapp from Clemson a few Years Back who was quick as a dime, but could not get run thru or disengage from NFL OL

Some real, genuine Pass-Rushers from the DE/OLB Position in this Draft to me are the Following

1) OLB Dante Fowler (Florida 6-2 261lbs – 1st Rounder) – Very Raw, Huge Upside, but lacking “LB Instincts” , probably not big enough to play with hand of the ground
2) DE/OLB Alvin Dupree (Kentucky 6-4 267lbs – 1st Rounder) – Probably a better Fit in a 4-3 Scheme as a DE, but could show some athleticism as a OLB at Indy Combine.. Could be a Aldon Smith type where he moves up and down the DL standing up and playing out of a stance…
3) DE/OLB Owamagbe Odighizuma – (UCLA 6-4 266lbs – 2nd Rounder) Has battled Injuries with Hip and Back which are concerning, has played very well when healthy, High-Risk-High Reward.. More talented and instinctive than Anthony Barr was coming out last
4) DE Arik Armstead (Oregon 6-7 296lbs – 2nd Rounder) Very long, athletic for a Player of his Size, He will definitely need to learn to play “Lower” in the NFL for his loses his strength and leverage playing “High” out of his Stance… I project him as a DE in a 3-4 Scheme and then could slide inside as a Pass-Rusher in passing situations…
5) OLB Nate Orchard – (Utah 6-3 252lbs – 2nd Rounder) A very instinctive and versatile LB, who is probably more of a pure LB than a Pass-Rusher.. Could even play Inside at the NFL Level.. Smart,Tough and Physical, Good in Pass-Coverages.. He’s a complete 3-Down LB which are hard to find these days… Keep your eye on this Player
6) Danielle Hunter – (LSU 6-6 240lbs – 2nd Rounder) A very athletic player from LSU, where does he fit ? Can he play standing up ? is he big, strong enough to play with hand on the ground..
7) Mario Edwards – (FSU 6-3 294lbs – 2nd/3rd Rounder) Would make a nice DE in the Eagles 3-4 Scheme, has the size,strength and athleticism to be a solid Rotational Player on the DL.. A replacement if Thornton leaves, has more upside and athleticism that Taylor Hart
8) Trey Flowers – (Arkansas 6-2 268lbs – Late 2nd/3rd Rounder) Has an crazy wingspan and leaping ability, and could really move up the Boards with an impressive Showing at Indy Combine.. High Motor, plays bigger than he is and covers a lot of ground due to athleticism and wing-span.. Can he play standing Up, moving around the Formations, can he play out in space and pass cover.. Could be a nice lock down on athletic opponent’s TE’s …
I like this kid’s upside
9) DE Preston Smith (Miss State 6-5 270lbs – 3rd Rounder) Probably better suited as a DE in a 4-3 Scheme but see him a Rotational Pass-Rusher with a lot of Upside, curious to see how he does in some Drills at Indy where maybe he can play a little OLB and move around a bit.. He’s a very athletic, high motor Player similar to a Vinny Curry/Trent Cole Type…
10) DE Za’Darius Smith (Kentucky 6-5 270lbs – 3rd Rounder) though Alvin Dupree from Kentucky gets most of the Ink and write up’s, this Z Smith is a nice Player with solid Pass-Rushing Skills as well as the strength to set the edge in the Running Game and is probably better suited as a 4-3 DE at the NFL Level but could be another nice Fit as a Situational Pass-Rusher early in his NFL Career..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 12:37 pm

What is this diehard passion for Foles as if he has accomplished anything in the NFL?

I’ve seen the same fans who has wanted better talent than Foles out of Philadelphia but defend Foles even though he can’t stay healthy a complete season and is a turnover machine.

I just don’t get it why people are not consistent across the board and would be ready to get rid of more talented player but is behind Foles for the same faults.

He’s a damn statue that holds the ball which leads to turnovers.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 9, 2015 12:43 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

only one guy on here seems to be diehard passionate.
I support him as a young QB who has shown flashes of IT.. I think he deserves a shot to show IT again. Part 2 i don’t believe in drafting a prodigy– its very rare to work out well…
turnover machine? well thats not true- he set records for being so stingy with turnovers- did he have more this year, yes- but looking at history all the great ones have a year or two where they turn the ball over too much… simple.

paulman
paulman
February 9, 2015 12:49 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Probably because FOles was incredible in 2013 with 27 TD’s – 2 Int’s
then was average and a turnover machine in 2014
1 Very Good Season and 1 Poor to Below Average Season
Basically there is not enough Sample Size in 18 NFL Games to say
whether Nick Foles is a True #1 QB or a true Turnover Machine like Mike Vick was over his 12 Year Career..

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 9, 2015 1:20 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

” the same fans who has wanted better talent than Foles out of Philadelphia”

And just who is this “better talent” of which you speak.

I was gung-ho for Foles precisely because he was…and is…a better QB than Michael Vick. (I am assuming this is the “better talent” you were referring to) The Eagles were never going to win with that overrated bum at QB.

Anything, or anybody would have been better than Vick.

So we got someone and he was better than Vick!

He regressed last year. It happens to young QBs.

But I’m not married to the guy. He was an upgrade over Vick. If there is an upgrade over Foles available….then lets go! Have at it! With a few caveats:

1 – I don’t think Mariotta is better. (at all)
2 – There are no FAs out there better than Foles – not even close.
3 – I believe, strongly, that if Eagles sell the farm for Mariotta, they’re going to regret it for a decade.
4 – I still think Foles has a lot of potential and want to see how he does this coming year.

I think the best option for the Eagles is to roll into next season with Foles as Qb and hope he plays like 2013. He does and the Eagles are in great shape moving forward. He doesn’t and its back to the drawing board.

Essope
Essope
February 9, 2015 1:05 pm

I just see getting Mariota as a step backwards. With the holes that we have on D, you just have to invest it there. It’s not the sexy pick but when your offense scores as much as it did, it’s not a matter of improving the offense, you have to improve the D.

If they make a big move and get Mariota I’ll be excited to see what he can do but I’d stay with Foles. Foles is going to fall in between his 27/2 year and last year or maybe better than that.

Songs by how frustrated you seem I would bet you too think they are sticking with Foles… and you are probably right.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 9, 2015 6:37 pm
Reply to  Essope

the team can improve the “D” and the QB.

by getting Mariota and address the defense through free agency.

Adomaeo
Adomaeo
February 9, 2015 1:12 pm

Play calling destroyed our DB’s this year. We were geared up to stop the run week in and week out. Single high safety is not the way to go. All it would take is for a QB to look off the safety and throw the ball across the field. Basically if the CB misses the jam, it should be an easy TD.

Stevo
Stevo
February 9, 2015 9:43 pm
Reply to  Adomaeo

im not so sure. Yes, single high safety can be dangerous BUT…. they did mix it up in such a way that at times confused teams. What single high DOES show… is that we need actual players on the outside and if they cant find top notch CB’s…. they need to get out of it… forever. This is something a few of us have talked about on here a lot.

Rhino
Rhino
February 10, 2015 2:17 pm

Well it looks like Greg Hardy will move up that free agent list. The case against him is dropped. Good news for him. My bad if this has been talked about on here on another thread.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 4:13 pm
Reply to  Rhino

Can he sue to get his money back? Was he suspended?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 4:41 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

He was exempt so he got paid. This ain’t over lion this POS bought off the chick…remember he was CONVICTED!, then on the appeal, he reached a civil settlement and the chick never showed to court… It’s a sleazy ass deal. The nfl will not let it go away. This will be a huge appeal etc coming up soon… Nfl is having a rough year

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2015 8:45 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Panthers Cutting the Chord with Hardy who still will
Probably have to serve a 6 Game/10 Game Suspension
By the NFL for his Code of Conduct
Remember that Hardy was Paid $ 13.8 Million
Last Season ($770K per Week) and never played a down
And has not been in contact with the Team since
Being placed on that commissioners “exempt list”
Word is he paid off this Woman $5 Million and is physically out of
The Country with no plans if returning so the Charlotte/Mecklenburg County DA decided to drop Chargers thru the word
of her Lawyer
Not many Teams will touch Greg Hardy

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 10, 2015 2:57 pm

I was just looking at pro foles guys comparing his inconsistent play with other franchise players first few years as an argument for staying with him and realize how asinine comparing just number is.

For instance, they’ll compare Foles numbers to Luck first years knowing Foles is not even on the same planet as Luck as far as talent, arm strength, pocket presence, mobility, and Big play ability, leadership…the tangibles one can not quantify in just looking at numbers.

For instance…Sanchez leads all Eagles QB’s throughout history in passing efficiency in the same amount of games played.

I can pull that out of my ass if I’m pro Sanchez but I seen the games and know that stat means shit and the same can be said for Foles.

He don’t meet the eye test for a franchise QB.

He throws off his back foot and need a clean pocket every play to be effective..and even do bonehead plays with a clean pocket.

The Eagles need to get Mariota by trading Foles ass to get up to number 10 then package that pick with a 3rd rounder to get Mariota.

Chip!

GET YOUR GUY!

Then turn to free agency to fix the defense because rookie DB’s rarely make an impact coming in anyways.

Get your guy!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 3:14 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Shut the fuck up already.

zilents44
zilents44
February 10, 2015 3:28 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Dude izell you see why i left football alone for a bit cuz fuckheads like songs kept on about foles being shit and annoiting mariota the savior but if we get mariota he will be a rookie and suck some and look ok some but the defense will be shit cuz we gave the farm for him and put us back 5 years but hey we got chips guy as he likes to state over and over and over by the way he only does it to get us pissed or else why would he beat the same drum……shit even vinnie said he would be good with replacing foles but he knows draft or free agency their aint shit better and thats why songs is only here to troll

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 10, 2015 3:37 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Even if Mariota put up the same numbers and lead the league in turnovers he would still be a plus, having a greater upside.

Stevo
Stevo
February 10, 2015 4:28 pm

It’s tough when our words come back to haunt us.. eh Pman? It joust points to the bigger issue on this blog where people care more about being right than about the Eagles winning….

I want my QB in no matter what the stats say, The (insert style..running or pocket) doesnt work, I want my guy because Ive been lobbying for him for (insert years here).

I have been saying for (x amount of seasons) that so and so was a bum and that they should have drafted this guy or that guy.

Kelly will do what he wants at QB… my HOPE is that he lands somone that can challenge for the starting spot because we need depth there.

I HOPE he lands 2 CB’s and a S.

I HOPE some of you have learned not to spew silliness because it will ALWAYS bight you in the can.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 4:47 pm
Reply to  Stevo

PREACH STEVO PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN……..

pdiddy
pdiddy
February 10, 2015 4:30 pm

I love cyn santana, shot out to my Hispanic mommies

pdiddy
pdiddy
February 10, 2015 4:31 pm

Ok diddy back to the sports, I think we should keep Nick. Mariota is suspect

daggolden
daggolden
February 10, 2015 5:00 pm

Like I st5ated before Nick Foles is holding this franchise hostage and there is nothing we can do about it. If Nick sucks we go into next years draft with no QB on this roster. We will probably pick in the middle of the pack with 5 other teams ahead of us needing QBs. Let alone if the 2016 QB draft stinks. Then we have to find a journeyman stop-gap QB in FA or roll with Nick again. The reality is if Foles stinks this franchise is done for the next 5 years unless you really get lucky in the later rounds. Every f**king thing rides on Foles. I swear to you if I was Foles and his agent if the draft passess without Winston or Mariotta there is noway in hell I send my client on the field with no security of a new deal. If Foles agent lets him play the final year of his contract he should be fired. Right before camp I would tell the Eagles Nick is holding out,for atleast a 3 year deal or good luck with Matt Barkley or some FA trash you have to pick from. lol. The Eagles better hope that scenario doesn’t play out especially if its leaked the Eagles really tried to move up for Mariotta and failed. Just sayin.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 5:20 pm
Reply to  daggolden

foles and his agent don’t have any leverage to do that. And to your point… unfortunately about 20 teams are held hostage by the QB situation- hence the 24/7, 365 blabber on here. After the big 6-8 QB’s most teams are in “i hope he can be the guy” mode. Only sure things with age not taken into account: brady, breeze, flacco, Roth, Romo, Manning (2) (although damn peyton is 100 and eli is eli) and rogers… outside of that the fan bases of the newton’s, ryans, rivers, etc…. are all in ‘i hope he can take us to the SB” mode.

daggolden
daggolden
February 10, 2015 6:09 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

No leverage? There are plenty of teams that would”love” to have Foles. For the last 2 years Foles has been injured. For his agent to trot a starting QB on the field with no secrutiy after 2015 is asinine. His leverage is who the hell is your starting QB if you don’t draft one of the top 2 QBs? Sanchez and company will be long gone. You would have to start Barkley or a journeyman QB with no knowledge of the system going into camp. That’s the leverage. .

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 6:44 pm
Reply to  daggolden

That doesn’t happen in the nfl. He is under contract. He has zero leverage. Yes many teams would love to have him but they can’t have him…and one of the funny things about why teams desire him…um his affordable contract! No leverage

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 7:10 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Foles has ABSOLUTELY NO LEVERAGE….

Justin Houston just laughed his ass off at that thought process.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 10, 2015 7:39 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

you’re missing one….Russell Wilson. who the Hawks are locking up now.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 7:51 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Oh shut up……Russell Wilson and Nick Foles dont compare at all in leverage. 3 year starter off back to back SuperBowls.

Get a clue idiot.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 7:55 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Steelers announced they are beginning the process to extend Ben Roethlisbeger and ESPN reports the Dolphins are looking to lock Tanehill with a big contract up to 100 million. I expect to hear some news about JMac soon, possibly Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks and Nick Foles too.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 8:26 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Tanehill will get a Krap type of contract.
And careful on the Wilson front. The gm said he is looking for creative ways to get his contract done…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 8:46 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

7 years ..100 million is the word for Tanehill, that is pretty good considering he has no playoff experience and a so so record. The Dolphins like what they believe he can be and the fact that he has started 3 years and has not missed a game…me personally, I think he is ok, nothing special, not yet anyway. But they want to lock him up as their future franchise QB.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 8:49 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Just watch the guarantee … That’s the real story…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 8:59 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Pro Football Talk

Schneider hints at outside-the-box approach to Wilson contract

Posted by Mike Florio on February 10, 2015, 3:43 PM EST

Wilson
AP

With Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson now eligible for a second contract and the team apparently willing to rectify a wage-scale situation that has left him grossly underpaid, the challenge becomes finding a way to pay him enough without making it harder to put a team on the field around him. Ultimately, the question becomes where Wilson lands in the gulf between Peyton Manning’s grab-ever-dollar approach (and there’s nothing wrong with that) and Colin Kaepernick’s leave-plenty-behind strategy.

The Seahawks may be planning to devise an answer that doesn’t fit within the traditional way of assessing quarterback contracts. Appearing Tuesday on 710 ESPN Radio in Seattle, G.M. John Schneider said that Wilson’s contract may not look like other quarterback deals, and that the team may use an outside-the-box approach, via John Boyle of the Everett Herald.

It’s unknown what that outside-the-box approach will be. Perhaps Wilson will receive a fully-guaranteed contract for the life of the deal. Common in other sports, NFL teams rarely make salaries beyond the first year or two fully guaranteed, giving the team maximum flexibility when it comes to deciding whether to move on from a player. Fully guaranteeing every dollar of the deal could get Wilson signed at a lower cap number, since the team would be assuming the full risk of the kind of injury that would end or limit Wilson’s career.

That approach would allow Wilson to secure a significant amount of compensation and security without the kind of eye-popping, high-end numbers that: (1) are rarely realistic; (2) are aimed at making the agent look good; and (3) can create even more resentment of the player in the locker room.

A seven-year, $105 million figure has been mentioned for Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill. That’s $15 million per year. What if the Seahawks offered something like that, making the deal fully guaranteed?

It would be simple, but it definitely would be outside the box. And it could spark increased use of fully-guaranteed contracts by NFL teams.

For now, that’s all speculation. But there aren’t many other ways an NFL contract can go outside the box while still being fair to both sides.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 10, 2015 8:52 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

A month ago when KoolSongs was hemorrhaging his “Why haven’t the Eagles signed Foles right nowwwwww! – Why isn’t Foles demanding a contract!!!” garbage….I mentioned that it was Wilson who was the one who should be demanding the contract at the time.

He had nothing to gain and everything to lose (contract wise) over the last 2 playoff games.

4 ints in game one and the stare down int to end game 2…….you’re darn right the Sea GM is going to try to get creative there.

He, like every NFL GM knows, the 100 million QB contract is, for all intents and purposes, the death knell of a team’s SB hopes.

Teams today need to win before that 100 million deal. Seattle did…they were lucky….but now…you know they’re nervous.

Especially when….and here’s the dirty little secret….Wilson’s playoff performances are not exactly as special as the media might lead you to believe……

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 8:45 pm

Nothing to see here, but if after the draft and no QB is taken its time for Nick Foles to draw a line in the sand. Shit or get off the pot.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 8:48 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

No doubt!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 8:50 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

He cant

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 9:14 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I agree with HAC on this fellas….Foles has no leverage even if they dont draft a QB.

His leverage is a bomb ass year. Thats about it.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 9:22 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Last year of his contract, to go in and play 2015 with no new contract or extension as insurance…especially given his injury history…hmmm, his agent can’t go for that if he expects to maintain a client base and remain in business! If they value Foles at all they will offer something, even if Foles rejects an offer, at least make an offer.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 9:25 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Its not the last year of his contract. They can franchise him up to two straight years and he can’t do anything.

Thats why the idea of him having leverage doesnt make sense.

And agents go for that every year….ask Dez Bryant Justin Houston etc etc….

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 9:34 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

What would be the franchise salary for a starting QB? Why would the Eagles do that? So yes Foles does have some leverage especially with nobody else behind him. Barkley isn’t an NFL QB so he doesn’t count.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 9:50 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

They easily do that. The Franchise tag gives you a window to negotiate a long term deal no different than what Houston is going to do.

Youre asking the team to do something for a player no other team has done. Bid against itself on a player who is under contract and they control for at least another year after if they cant negotiate.

Sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever. Especially in a free agency year where the best players at their positions in the league are playing for the franchise tag if they cant renegotiate.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 9:34 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Naw, you don’t fuck around with your QB like that, if you value him and he is your guy, take care of him. Foles is not going to command a ton of money now because of his injury history. If you truly want him, now is the time to lock him up….unless Foles says no because he is betting on himself. I think it would be good for the culture of the locker room to take care of the leader of the team..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 9:36 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Agree 100 percent with that EHL.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 9:47 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Thats nonsense because he hasnt proven hes the QB yet. He has 18 starts. Thats it….I understand the thought process of that for say Tannehil who is a 1st round pick who is playing since day 1 just about….Foles is not in that boat.

You can’t say Foles isnt going to command alot of money and then want him to negotiate below the table. If his agent did that THEN HE SHOULD BE FIRED. He either deserves market rate or he doesnt. Right now he doesnt deserve market rate.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 9:53 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I did not say he deserves the market rate, offer him a deal with escalators. I understand that he can be tagged after this year, but….
And yes I agree, he has not earned “That guy ” money yet….but some on here think Foles is that guy…my point is to get them to see exactly what you have stated!!!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 9:55 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

If he takes a below market deal they make out then I guess.

Dont get me wrong I like the kid….but 18 starts and lost games due to injury…I just think putting all the eggs in that basket is a mistake right now. Not after how last year ended.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 10:03 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I stated the same thing a couple of days ago..not so much on board now..2015 is that “Show Me” season!

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 9:29 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Yes Cigar he can, he can be subtle like the Eagles have been in putting out signals they aren’t interested in him being the future QB. Or he can just flat out say as the starting QB it would be nice to have some security going forward.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 9:46 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Point is game 1 he is under center…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 10, 2015 9:54 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

He can say exactly what you said there… And so what?

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 10:47 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

They would get the message and address it one way or another.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 7:14 am
Reply to  Biglion821

I’m sure the eagles are smart enough to know his message– i’m also sure that if there have been preliminary talks the message is sent…. it is a non-issue-
look around the league– as dag said “foles is holding them hostage’– well every team other than about 10 is in the same boat– waiting to see if your guy can be THE guy.

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2015 8:51 pm

I think the Eagles Select Hundley with the #20th Pick as he is a
2 year Project in the Draft after Extending Foles thru the 2017 Season
With a bump in Salary & Loaded with Incentives both individual and team wise..
Hundley will be the #3 QB in 2015
Then the Back up in 2016 and then compete for Starting
Job for 2017

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 9:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

Hundley is not a first round talent. He is a project that has 3rd round skill. He needs a ton of coaching.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 10, 2015 9:27 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I agree. His combine needs to be off the charts….

but then again…even Jimbo Fisher didnt think EJ Manuel was worth a first and the Bills picked him…..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2015 9:35 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I don’t care what kind of combine Hundley has he’s Pryor 2.0.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 10, 2015 10:15 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Was Marcus Smith a 1st round talent?

You can throw all that out when you’re talking about an Eagles 1st rd pick.

It may just be Hundley if Chip miss out on Mariota because Chip said with his own mouth that, “The draft is a crap shoot.”

Chip will draft players in the order he see fit for his system regardless of where a player is positioned on other teams’s board.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2015 10:37 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

And that is the formula for failure! Taylor Hart in the 3rd…C’mon man!
Take a couple of more Marcus Smith’s with the first picks in 2015 and 2016..lol..let’s see where this organization/team goes! Chip says this…Chip says that..Chip win some meaningful games!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 11, 2015 8:06 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Amen….well said Eagle

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 9:51 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yes Hundley is a 2-3 Year Project as I stated, but won’t last until the 3rd Round I do believe that Kelly realizes that Barkley is not an NFL QB and needs to get a Young 3rd QB this Season into his System who he can groom to be a Back-up by 2016 and then Compete in 2 Years Time for the Starters Job which is not Matt Barkley, but could be Hundley..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 10:21 am
Reply to  paulman

I agree with you pman, Hundley will not last until the 3rd round, it just shows you the desperation for QB’s in the NFL, he is a 3rd round talent though. Jeeeeezus Christ (in my R. Lee Ermey voice), Chip kelly should have realized Barkley was not an NFL QB before he drafted him. This, once again is what worries me about Kelly, he is more interested in getting guys he is familiar with than drafting guys based off of talent. Is this the byproduct lazy scouting, deciding to trust your eye, or a combination of the two? If this is Chip’s final decision making process in his draft efforts, he may draft Hundley…big mistake. Hopefully, Robin (Ed Marynowitz) will be able to set up a decent draft board and Chip will follow it.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 11:27 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

We will see.. I stay away from any QB this Draft Class
maybe grab one late in the Draft as a Developmental/3rd QB

The Strength of this Draft Class is DL/OL/LB/RB & WR and I would focus on Selecting Players from the Strength of the Class
It’s very Average at CB with good Depth but very thin at Safety & TE & QB
When all things are even, I think its a good strategy to Select from the “Strengths” of a Draft Class to increase the chances of Selecting a Quality,Talented Player as opposed to Reaching for a Position of Need where you end up taking a Player who is not as Talented or Ready or pushed up the Draft Boards because of the Position they Play …..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 10, 2015 10:37 pm

Size, Athleticism, Rushing Ability
At 6’4″ and 220 lbs., Mariota has the kind of size you like to see in an NFL QB. Keeping in mind he just turned 21, he’s likely to add some size over time as well.

As dangerous as Mariota has been as a passer in college, he’s possibly been even more dangerous as a rusher. For his career, he’s rushed for 6.7 yards per carry on 327 attempts. As impressive as that sounds, college rushing data also includes sacks. That his per attempt efficiency number is so high likely suggests he does not take many sacks, or at least not many big sacks, while also suggesting that he gains more than 6.6 yards per carry on true rushing attempts.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 9:53 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Mariota is a slender 214 lbs and may even be less than that with a thin upper body, small arms and will get killed at the NFL Level in his current condition and size… He needs a good Year or Two in strength and conditioning in his upper Body…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 10:09 am
Reply to  paulman

Mariota is 220, he will put on weight and gain strength with the NFL strength and conditioning programs teams have developed. Physical size and ability is not a concern, my only concern about Mariota is his deep ball accuracy, but that can be fixed. He has the mental make up and work ethic to continuously work on that aspect of his game. And yes, i think he would be better with Chip then he would be going to other teams that run a standard QB under center offense. I think Mariota would have more of a certain level of immediate comfort with Chip than he would with other teams, but, it’s the pros, he will have to adjust.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 10, 2015 11:28 pm

Signing Foles to any long term deal at this point would be a completely idiotic move.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 8:54 am

I concur, simply for the reason that I no longer think that he is, or ever really was a part of their long term plans. If the 2013 season (going 29-2, with an overall starting record of 14-4) can’t get the endorsement, (but instead, bring forth less than ringing endorsing comments made by Lurie at the end of 2013 and 2014) I don’t know what will. Having him come in and play with no insurance policy (extension) for his future is not how you treat a starting QB that has the coach’s FO’s backing! To offer nothing..zilch…squatta…nada …. not good! Starting QB’s that are under appreciated receive that type of lame duck treatment. Whether they do it or not is up to Chip, and I am well aware that they do not have to, but, it would show Foles that he is truly their guy, I don’t think he is though…and that is why I do not foresee a new contract or extension coming if they can help it. I think that they are willing to let him play his contract out, attempt to get his replacement, and if Chip does not draft what would be his blue chip QB, re-sign Foles while a drafted project like Brandon Bridge is groomed.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 9:00 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

except that every young qb is basically treated this way??? especially those drafted in round 3 that are coming off injury…. playing on a contract without an extension? wtf are you talking about– ? brian hoyer just did it, krap didn’t get his extension till june or july before his lame duck year, wilson right this second is in the exact same situation as foles– with the lone exception that there has been some public banter- and that public banter is talking creativity not breaking the bank… wtf are you talking about!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 9:34 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Bryan Hoyer, LMAO, you’re using Bryan “Stinking” Hoyer, the Browns don’t even want him..you are not a fan of Kap either as you do not think he is good, the 49ers took a wait and see approach, but anted up after the SB.. but you are using him as your example too. We already know that Wilson’s team and Seattle’s team are working on his new contract,call it what you want, they are looking into guaranteeing him a lot of money to keep him there. Rothliesberger and Tanehill have begun contract negotiations. If the Eagles think Foles is their guy, and is good enough, they would not let him go into this final year as a lame duck QB without at least starting to discuss an extension…that is what the fuck I am talking about! Am I saying we should be hearing something today, tomorrow? No, but, before this off season is over, there should be news about it….That is wtf I am talking about.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 9:38 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

well followed by wilson, luck and rg 3– was just saying most teams are holding their breath on the qb positioon. if cleveland drafts one it will be the third in like 4 years in the first round.
Kraps contract is a year to year contract with very little (by nfl qb standards) money– it was NOT a commitment to him-
dude- your boy krap went into the summer of his walk year w/o an extension- its normal business– i would say foles if extended won’t be till minimum of june…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 10:00 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Who said Kaep is my boy? Did you not read my posts clowning him when he was throwing balls all over the place this year. Ask Koolbreeze and songs, or you can look it up, I have not been a supporter of Kaepernick as I think his accuracy is brutal. I am on record stating I’d take Foles over Kaep based off of pure QB play, the only thing better about kaep is his durability and arm strength, but his inaccuracy nullifies that. Trust, you will not find no old posts of me hyping kaep up..never did! You will not have a paulman moment at my expense!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 9:05 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Luck, RG3 and Cam are all in their lame duck year… is that how you treat a starting qb?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 9:10 am
Reply to  haveacigar

The question is do those teams want them back, Of course the Colts do want Luck, he will be taken car of, I don’t know if the skins want RG3 back, I do not know if the Panthers are 100% certain about Newton either.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 9:18 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

and the eagles aren’t 100% certain either! which is why all you guys screaming that foles should be offended or that playing without an extension is somehow a travesty… it is the normal way of doing business- there is nothing to see here, there is no story- there is no ‘foles being disrespected’– IT IS THE WAY BUSINESS IN THE NFL IS DONE.
‘luck will be taken care of’– you are probably right…. would a devastating rotator cuff injury lifting weights or playing hoops in the off season change the discussion? maybe he should report to mini camps? shouldn’t lift?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 9:45 am
Reply to  haveacigar

That’s the point of my argument, I know the Eagles are not certain, but some of you guys act as if Foles is the second coming and the future franchise. My argument is not that I think the Eagles should offer him a contract, more so addressing why I do not think they will, just doing so in the affirmative.

As far as Luck, I am not interested in hypotheticals..Luck will be taken care of. Let’s deal with the reality of the situation as it stands, based off of his performance and availability..which is the best ability…that is what Luck will get his contract based off.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 9:52 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

i believe we are the ones saying ‘of course they haven’t extended him, why would they?”

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 8:04 am

oh the mariotta guys are going to love this one! Mariotta is working with a private QB tutor and the guy is going to be hired by the browns– get this, the browns have 12 and 19 in the first round! LOL–
Of course that says a lot about what they think of J. Football! oh man these clowns on here and their J football, gotta have mariotta talk.. it really is hilarious!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 11, 2015 8:07 am
Reply to  haveacigar

LOL!!!!,,,,It’s the Irony of it…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 9:07 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Yes, it is being reported that the Browns are looking into trading up to get Mariota, they definitely have the fire power as they hold the 12th and 19th overall picks in the first round. I don’t know what Ray Farmer and the owner was thinking by drafting Manziel..I guess they were thinking of ticket sales..how myopic and short lived was the Johnny football experiment…Fools! However, Manziel and Mariota are totally different, Mariota has his head on straight where Manziel is/was an undedicated professional who thought he could rely on his college athletic ability and quickly found out his college athletic ability would not give him an edge in the pros. And let’s face it, Johnny alcohol also allowed is lifestyle interfere with his preparation, I do not think Mariota will have that problem.
McNabb was a mobile athletic QB, what made him so good was his dedication to studying the game, studying his opposition and putting in the work on and off of the field. Was he perfect? No, but I would take a young McNabb over any QB coming out now and any QB presently on the Eagles roster.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 9:13 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

A young mcnabb is not available… as i’ve said many times– the nfl every team is clawing desparately to find an IT guy– there just aren’t many of them– hell in the final analysis one of the greatest qb’s of all time didn’t have IT- marino– shows how difficult it is…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 9:53 am
Reply to  haveacigar

You can not say a young McNabb type is not available, have you watched all of the QB’s coming out of college this year or next year….I will answer that for you..NO, you have not. I think Brandon Bridge and Jacoby Brissett has a very good shot at being a very good QB with the proper coaching. They have D. McNabb ability, their success will be determined on how much they study, prepare, practice and dedicate their life to developing their craft. That’s what made D. McNabb who he was..his preparation and dedication. Have you ever watched QB’s Brandon Bridge or Jacoby Brissett play? How about Jared Goff?, we have all seen Cardale Jones.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 10:09 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

you said a young mcnabb, not type — all the names you mention are in college and project to be this or that…mcnabb was what the number 2 pick? none of these guys project that high

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 10:34 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Brady did not project that high either. But fair enough HAC, you are right, I did not say McNabb type. You are a letter to the law type of guy, say what you mean and mean what you say..it’s all good!
Because I can not resist the urge to banter a little, plus I have cleared my cases at work for the moment, I have time to do so. McNabb was a projection too until he was drafted #2 overall. We will see where these guys go, Bridge is projected to go 5th round, next year, Brissett, will be a 2nd round projection unless he lights it up, then he will be a first, Goff is a first round projection unless he stinks..don’t see that happening, he reminds me of a skinny Elway, and Cardale Jones, well we will see.
HAC, were you in the military or military family?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 11:24 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

not military just don’t like how guys on here are all over the place- lying and stuff-
my point is ALL college qb’s are a prospect,project, maybe kind of players– there are more busts than successes. it is not an exact science by a long shot especially at qb…

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 11:09 am
Reply to  haveacigar

McNabb was in a pretty Weak QB Draft Class..
Wasn’t Tim Couch the #1 Overall Pick to Cleveland Browns
then Akili Smith to the Bengals at #3 Overall

The Best QB was probably Duante Culpeper who went #11 to the Vikings with Cade McNown at #12 to the Bears

Look at the 1st Round in 1999 and after about the 10th Pick, lots of Misses and short NFL Career in that Class…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 11:15 am
Reply to  paulman

I think those guys had skill, they either did not get good coaching, or did not dedicate themselves enough to developing their skill on the pro level. They all had the ability to play the game and be successful as far as playoff caliber QB’s in my opinion. A lot of these guys flounder because they do not put the work in the classroom or work on their mechanics. Wasn’t the knock on Culpepper small hands?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 11:21 am
Reply to  paulman

did you just say culpepper is better than mcnabb? is that what i just read? is this kind of like you saying on one day that Jarrett will be a dynamic SS and then when it doesn’t work out say ‘i said all along he stunk”
you really must be getting huge coin from gcobb… ridiculous!

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 11:36 am
Reply to  paulman

I think Culpepper and McNabb were very Close
Neither Played Well in the BIg Games under the Bright lights, Both had good Careers but not Great Careers.. I consider neither as “Great or Elite QB in the NFL”, but they were both Good Players…
Culpepper had some great WR’s to work with but was a little lacking in Fire and Leadership, while McNabb lacked the Accuracy that Culpepper had.. Once both were injured and loss some of their mobility, their Production and Big-Play Capability dropped and they weren’t the same in their later years…
I would not say either were real students of the game for their Decision-Making was average at best and mostly relied on their Athleticism and Big Arms that they had..

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 11:55 am
Reply to  paulman

I always thought donovan got a bad rap on the ‘big game’ thing… looking back at ‘the run’ they sure did win an awful lot of big games. fair enough he was 1-3 in NFC champ games and 0-1 in SB– undeniable– but there were a crap load of big games and big wins during those years.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 11, 2015 12:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

McNabb was a far better QB than Culpepper…. Jezz, Paul…. are you getting senile?

Culpepper had a couple good years (3 time pro bowler), 4-4 playoff record…. McNabb won twice as many games (6 time pro bowler) 9-7 playoff record.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 1:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

Career Stats for McNabb Vs Culpepper

McNabb – 167 Games Played over a 13 Year Career
59% Pass Completion – 6.94 Yards per Pass Average
234 TD’s, 117 Int’s, 62 Fumbles and 223 Passing Yards per Game Average — Career QB Rating of 85.6%

Culpepper- 105 Games Played over a 11 Year Career
63% Pass Completion – 7.55 Yards Per Pass Average
149 TD’s, 106 TD’s , 62 Fumbles and 230 Passing Yards per Game Average — Career QB Rating of 87.8%

McNabb played almost 62 More Games than Culpepper so obviously he would have more Attempts,Yards, TD’s, in his Career.. But when looking at the Averages amongst their Passing Stats, they were very similar in Production
and both Underachieved in Big Games when Playing on Good Team in my Opinion…
I see very little difference between McNabb/Culpepper

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 11, 2015 1:41 pm
Reply to  paulman

McNabb’s passing stats never looked good compared to guys throwing the ball to Randy Moss.

If you put Randy Moss on the Eagles, McNabb’s passing stats would look a hell of a lot better.

Show of the stats that matter – wins and losses….

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 1:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

Irish its just paul the liar being paul the liar.

mhenski
mhenski
February 11, 2015 2:34 pm
Reply to  paulman

culpepper lmfao. all he had to do with throw it as far as he could and randy would get over the safety and corner. while FIVE was throwing to james fn thrash. lmfao

minny also had the best o line in the NFL with culpepper and an amazing rb

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 3:14 pm
Reply to  paulman

Neither of them (Culpepper & McNabb) were Elite or HOF Material, just simply Good Solid NFL QB’s who had nice NFL Careers… 1999 was a very Weak Draft Class in Terms of Overall Players and the QB’ Position as well…

Philly Fans, now that some time has passed are making McNabb out to be a better player than he was.. He’s definitely the Best QB in Eagles Franchise History but looking over the Year’s that really is not saying a whole lot… Any QB that plays 10 Years as a Starter for Andy Reid’s very QB Friendly-System where all QB’s put up good #’s and you will put up some good Stats… but can you Win the Big Games

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 10:46 am

Eagles 2015 Mock Draft (Version #14)

1st – DT Malcolm Brown – (Texas 6-4 320lbs)
2nd – Safety Anthony Harris – (Virginia 6-1 195lbs)
3rd – CB Steve Nelson – (Oregon State 5-10 200lbs)
4th – Guard Ali Marpet – (Hobart 6-4 310lbs)
4th – WR Vince Mayle – (Washington St 6-2 220lbs)
5th – ILB Taiwan Jones – (Michigan State 6-3 258lbs)
6th – CB Byron Jones – (Connecticut 6-1 196lbs)
7th – Center Greg Mancz – (Toledo 6-5 310lbs)

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 11:07 am
Reply to  paulman

I like Steve Nelson, his height will be frowned upon by Chip though. I would be surprised if the Eagles went D Tackle in the first. Anthony Harris is good, I think I’d prefer Prewitt though, just more size and pop in his hits as Harris is an ankle tackler when it comes to the run. Melvin Gordon headed towards Harris with a full head of steam would not be pretty for Harris. I have not watched Vince Mayle, but I like Dezmin Lewis as far as a small school prospect.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 11:44 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

This a very Deep Draft at DT and I am thinking that the Eagles go DT for I believe they will lose DE Cedric Thornton in Free-Agency and can then shift Bennie Logan at DE and then would have that need for a Bigger DT/NT which Malcolm Brown is… (I also like DT’s Carl Davis, and the Williams Players from Northern Iowa & ECU)
I like WR Dezmin Lewis from Central Arkansas as well
but know that Chip Kelly is familiar with Mayle from his Pac-10 Days and give him the Edge there
Both CB Jones and OL Mancz are coming off Injuries and would be Practice Squad Players for 2015 with an eye for 2016

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 11:46 am
Reply to  paulman

CB S Nelson is a tough guy and plays bigger than he is…
He could really excell as a Slot CB and replace Boykins who I believe
will be gone after 2015

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 12:06 pm
Reply to  paulman

I like Senquez Golson from Ole Miss, he would be a great slot corner, agility, speed, and ball skills. I can get him in the 3rd or 4th. It would be a shame for Nelson if he was taken and made to play the slot as his talent is good enough for the two spot to start out. if I was a starting cb and my height was 5’10’ I would not want to come to the Eagles, they would retard my growth as a player and my potential bank account growth.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 1:07 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

S Golson is an excellent Slot CB Prospect and could also add to the Return Game as a Punt Returner..
So many Teams play with 3 WR’s now and especially in the NFC East that the Slot CB has become very important and has as many chances to make plays as the Outside CB does..
Teams need to have 4 Solid CB’s in Today’s NFL not just 2

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 11, 2015 1:57 pm
Reply to  paulman

Sounds good Paul, Logan is a natural 3-4 DE. I’d rather have Jordan Phillips, or Terry Williams at DT/NT than Malcolm Brown though

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 11, 2015 1:58 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Just not in the first round

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 2:30 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

There are a lot of Good DT’s in the Class GMCliff..
A good one can be Selected in the 3rd/4th Round..
Either way, I do believe that a DT is needed whether it’s in Free-Agency (J Oldrick or T Knighton) or in the Draft..
Eagles need to get Bigger up the Middle (DT,ILB & Safety) in my opinion..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 11, 2015 2:43 pm
Reply to  paulman

I agree we need to get bigger at those positions, but I pass on Oldrick…prefer Knighton…..

We could get Phillips in the 2nd, and Williams in the 3rd-4th….They are the only ones I like.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 4:02 pm
Reply to  paulman

Jordan Phillips from Oklahoma is Huge at 6-6 335lbs
He did miss much of the 2013 Season with a Back Injury and had Surgery on his Back in which scares me off to be honest…
He did play all 12 Games for Sooners in 2014 with 32 Tackles
(7 for losses and 2 Sacks) and has only played 16 Games Total at the College Level..

I like the Upside of the Following Players
1) Eddie Goldman (Fla St 6-3 320lbs – 2nd Rounder)
2) Carl Davis (Iowa 6-5 320lbs – 2nd Rounder)
3) Joey Mbu (Houston 6-3 315lbs – 3rd Rounder)
4) Xavier Williams (Northern Iowa 6-2 325lbs – 4th Rounder)
5) Leterrius Walton (Central Michigan 6-5 321lbs 5th/6th Rounder)
6) Terry Williams (East Carolina 6-2 340lbs – 6th/7th Rounder)
7) Darius Kilgo (Maryland 6-4 320lbs – 7th Rounder-UDFA)

andrew p
andrew p
February 11, 2015 1:47 pm

Colts released laRon Landry, I say bring him in on the cheap to compete for a spot, dept is just as important as starting.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 11, 2015 1:58 pm
Reply to  andrew p

no thanks…….

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 2:32 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

No thanks either.. I wouldn’t mind the other Colts Safety (Mike Adams) for a 1 Year Deal, but honestly, Eagles need to get a good Younger Safety to play with Malcolm Jenkins whether it’s Free-Agency or in the Draft which both are not very deep this Year…
I like Da’Norris Searcy from Buffalo BIlls or S Gilchrist of San Diego as far as Free-Agency goes…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 3:19 pm
Reply to  paulman

mike adams is a former blue hen that played on the same team as my nephew is probably 32????

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 3:20 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

ooh man paul i’m getting OLD, mike will be 34 next season!

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 3:42 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

That may be a tad too old for Mike Adams who had a nice Season
this Year.. ..

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 4:07 pm
Reply to  paulman

COlts released 3 Players who all had Baggage

Safety Landry 2 Years into his 4 Year Deal
LB Andrew Jackson who has been arrested Twice in the last Year and was a back-up and Special Teams Players
OL Xavier Nixon who missed the Team Plan for the AFC Championship Game versus the Patriots and who was a back-up..
I imagine that RB Trent Richardson is next of their Cut List as they continue to upgrade their Roster with Players who are more Team Players and in the likeness of Coach C Pagano and GM R Grigson

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 4:13 pm
Reply to  paulman

Colts did sign the Top WR from the Canadien Football League Duron Carter, who is the Son of former NFL Great & HOF Chris Carter and goes at 6-5 205lbs,,,
Duron Carter was among the CFL Leaders in Receptions & Yards last Season…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 4:24 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul re: the colts roster… you are showing that its not just chip/eagles—CULTURE MATTERS

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 6:09 pm
Reply to  paulman

All those Colts players were bums and backups that may not have made the team next year anyway..no big deal or difficult decisions there. Wake me when big time players are released in the name of culture.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 6:22 pm
Reply to  paulman

Right.. Bums… Landry has been a starter since day one… I’m not saying superstar but… And I found out since Paul mentioned mike Adams who is an above average guy and average player and 34 that the colts think he world of him even at his age and average ability because he is such an upstanding dude…keep your eye on the ticker, will sign a 2 year deal 4-5 million…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 6:29 pm
Reply to  paulman

Laron Landry is a bum, have you watched him play? He gets burned, they can’t even allow him to play coverage. He is strictly an in the box safety who has difficulty making tackles in the open field. He is so muscle bound he can’t even move well enough to make plays at his position. He was signed because teams are trying to find safeties to play, but he can’t…not at all. Stop it!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 6:49 pm
Reply to  paulman

And the fact that he is an a.hole makes it easier

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 7:05 pm
Reply to  paulman

He did PED’s, which makes him a cheater in my book, but elucidate this matter for me, what has Laron Landry done that makes him an A hole?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 7:09 pm
Reply to  paulman

And it’s not as if the Colts were ignorant to his PED use prior to signing him, so they can’t use that as an excuse for cutting him. He was only going to make a couple of mil. in 2015 so it’s not heavy cap hit. His play was just garbage, when he was healthy enough to play.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2015 1:58 pm
Reply to  andrew p

my original thought was the same andrew- then i saw he is 30 going on 31 and had a PED suspension last fall– without knowing particulars of the exact ped i worry that an older athlete clawing at a competitive advantage… i don’t think the eagles bring in an old safety even at a price…

seansyh
seansyh
February 11, 2015 4:11 pm

There are reports that Brandon Graham is asking for a 4 year deal worth around $30 million with around $20 million guaranteed. He only played 39% of the defensive snaps last year. If this is true, he definitely wont be resigned

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 4:23 pm
Reply to  seansyh

No way is a Career Rotational Player getting $20 Million Guaranteed $$$ from any Team… The $5-$7 Million Per Season Salary I can see, but not that Guarantee piece..
The Only Way B Graham Re-Signs with the Eagles is if the Eagles Cut the Chord with Trent Cole and Graham replaces Cole as the Starter…

This is why Marcus Smith II was Drafted last year with this exact Scenario playing out…. Trent Cole comes back on a Re-Worked Deal and Graham Bolts Free-Agency giving MSII the Back-up Snaps for 2015 Season and then MSII competes for the Starters Spot for 2016

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 12, 2015 7:39 am
Reply to  paulman

Paul, Marcus Smith is never going to compete for a starting role with this team.

So they drafted him? He was a bad pick, and they have to acknowledge that and move on. No sense trying to save face. He won’t be a part of this teams future.

And Brandon Graham has no business being spoke of as a starter in any scenario – He is another example of wishful thinking – a wasted pick, even though they should get rid of both Cole, and Graham without giving it a 2nd thought.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 12, 2015 9:40 am
Reply to  paulman

Marcus Smith cannot play, you don’t draft guys in the first round hoping they become starters 3 years later unless your name is Sam Hinkie. Stop with the nonsense man.

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 9:51 am
Reply to  Biglion821

It appears that MSII was a Poor Pick, I am not ready to simply write him off after a non-existent Rookie Season.. He may become a viable Rotational Pass-Rusher this Season/NExt Season where he plays 20-25 Snaps a Game and gets you 5-6-7 Sacks in a Rotational Situation similar to how Brandon Graham has been uses the last couple of season, which is clearly not what you expect from your 1st Round Selection, but they Drafted Him and have him under Contract for 3 more Seasons so they better find out what he can do well and see if he can help the Team, If Not, Then cut the chord and move on…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 12, 2015 11:10 am
Reply to  paulman

Wishful thinking, and a waste of time Paul……The same process has been given Brandon Graham. How long do you propose you wait before you state the obvious??

When a player has the talent to play, it displays itself – sometimes in small portions, but most of the time – it stand out plain and simple to the naked eye. Graham never had it, and Marcus Smith doesn’t have it whether you write him off now, or 4 years from now.

And while you’re trying to save face for drafting him, he’s taking a roster spot from someone who would be more productive, and bring more talent to the benefit of the team.

By that philosophy, it’s way too early to write off Johnny Manziel too huh??…Again, it’s obvious he is not a n NFL caliber talent at QB, just like it’s obvious Marcus Smith, Josh Huff, and Taylor Hart aren’t the talents Chip Kelly thinks they are…..and neither is Marcus Mariota

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 12, 2015 11:16 am
Reply to  paulman

Were the Cleveland Browns impatient with Trent Richardson – who I told you was nothing special????

They did the smart thing by taking advantage of his value at the time to benefit the team.

They are going to do the same thing by correcting the mistake of drafting Johnny Manziel, and possibly draft Mariota………sometimes it is what it is……

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 11:35 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Yes the Browns fortuanately for them moved away quickly from T Richardson.. MS2 has no Trade Value to speak of so the Eagles are stuck with him for 2015 and lets see what he does come Camp Time and Preseason Time.. If he doesn’t warrant a Position on the 53 Man Roster than I expect HC Chip Kelly to make that decision and move forward… If MS2 does improve, work hard , getting stronger and more physical and actually makes some plays, then you keep him with the hopes that he can help the Team..
It’s up to him and if he wants it bad enough and works hard this off-season and focus on what the Coaching Staff told him than he has a chance which is all you can ask at this point…
A OLB selected 26th Overall is just simply not going to have any Trade Value as a Overhyped QB or a Top 5 PIck like Richardson was at the Time… It Is what it is..

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2015 12:42 pm
Reply to  paulman

Wait till the browns package 12 and 19 to move up to 5 and trade with dead skins and draft Mariotta…. Then the dimwits on here will clamor for Johnny ….I can’t wait! Mariotta won’t get the browns a four yet these numbnuts will be pissed we don’t trade for him

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 12:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

I could see the Rams at #10 looking to make a Deal with the Jets at # 6 to try to obtain Mariota..
Rams Offer #10, QB S Bradford, WR T Austin and a 3rd Round Pick to move up to #6

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2015 1:43 pm
Reply to  paulman

6 won’t get him… I’m not sure five will either… He is gone no later than five

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 2:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

Mariota no sooner than #6 (Unless a Team Trades Up which is always possible)

Top 5 Draft Selections
1) TB Bucs – QB J Winston
2) Titans – DT L Williams
3) Jaguars – DE R Gregory
4) Raiders – WR A Cooper
5) Redskins – OT A Peat
6) JETS — Either Select Mariota themselves or more likely to Trade to a Team who will Select Mariota (Rams,Browns or Eagles) There is a big concern per most NFL Teams on whether Mariota can adjust to a Pro-Style System and make Plays from the Pocket and make all the NFL Throws)
7) Bears – Bears could be in Play for Mariota though new HC John Fox hates Young QB’s and will focus on their Defense

This is my Story and I am sticking with it for now

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 2:23 pm
Reply to  paulman

To HAC

There is really no need to Move up before #5 or #6
Both Jags(#3) & Raiders (4th) have young QB’s from last Draft and need Talent and other Holes to Fill
Redskins with RG3 & McCoy in Gruden’s 2nd Season are not in the Market for a QB just yet as he have Both of them Compete this Summer for the Redskins Starters Spot.. .. It will be at # 6 when a Deal needs to be made by an interested Team if they want QB Mariota, anything before 6 would be a Panic Move and that Team would end up giving up way too much for Mariota ..
I still think he can easily slide down to #10 Spot (Rams)

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2015 3:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

The jets at six probably want him… The skins at 5 don’t need him, you have to move in front of jets…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 12, 2015 3:41 pm
Reply to  paulman

I’m not talking about his trade value though Paul. I’m referring to when a prospect demonstrates he isn’t a pro player – It doesn’t take long to evaluate he shouldn’t be on the team.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 12, 2015 3:49 pm
Reply to  paulman

The operative word in your post is “If”……..

But we already know he won’t….

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2015 10:03 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Or Aaron Rogers!
At this point a bust …but it is WAY too early and reactionary to say a total bust…and will never be a player

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 12, 2015 1:28 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Yea because playing behind Brett Farve is the same as playing behind Trent Cole and Brandon Graham, Smith can’t play period.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2015 1:45 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

You may very well be correct… And kudos for taking a stand… I know there are many players that didn’t develop until year two or three… Rogers played behind FAVRE correct but if the eagles ‘wasted’ a first round pick on a guy that didn’t play for three years this site would blow up

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 12, 2015 1:59 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

According to Paulman they just did last year his name is Marcus Smith.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 12, 2015 10:05 am
Reply to  Biglion821

This is Chip’s draft philosophy, draft the players you want, as long as you get them, what difference does it make what round they are taken in. Recipe for disaster. “Hey..Taylor, I’m getting the family back together”.
“Hey Josh, don’t worry, I am drafting you”! Charlie Strong says MSII will be able to make the transition to OLB, he has the measurable, let’s draft him…so what he has a 2nd to 3rd round grade on him.” How much does Chip really respect the nuances of the draft process?

seansyh
seansyh
February 11, 2015 4:15 pm

Couldn’t sum it up any better…

“If you extrapolated Foles’ 2013 numbers, he would be bound for Canton. Extrapolate his 2012 and 2014 numbers and he’d be bound for Cleveland.”

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 11, 2015 4:45 pm
Reply to  seansyh

You take Foles 2012 and 2014 seasons and put them together. 13 total games. His 2 worst “years”.

What do you get if you giggle them a bit and extrapolate over 16 games?

60% 4753 yards 24tds and 18 ints. That’s his ultimate worst. You are damned right Cleveland would take that.

So would the Eagles, seeing, other than Foles, the Eagles haven’t had a QB throw 24 tds since 2004.

You take Foles at his absolute worst, and its 60% 4700+yrds 24td and 18 ints and a .500 record.

Thats’ the floor….a floor that came over the past 6 games of a lame duck regime and without 4/5ths of an oline. Hmmmmmmmm.

Again….fins me another rookie Qb, other than 2 guys Luck and Wilson) that were able to do that over their first season.

Find me someone whose absolute worst looks like that.

Because I’ll find you 1000 rookie QBs whose absolute best doesn’t even begin to compare to that.

And then, at some point, after recognizing that Foles absolute worst is a lot better than most young QBs best…..then, just maybe then, we could actually talk about what Foles’ best looks like…….

That being said, The Eagles would be stupid to sign Foles to a long term deal when there is no reason to (at this moment)

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2015 6:34 pm

Joe Theismann says Eagles signing Nick Foles to 2-year deal ‘makes sense’

Matt Lombardo | For NJ Advance Media By Matt Lombardo | For NJ Advance Media
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on February 10, 2015 at 1:45 PM, updated February 10, 2015 at 2:22 PM

Given the fact that neither head coach Chip Kelly or anyone else within the Eagles organization has publicly endorsed Nick Foles as the team’s starting quarterback moving forward, there has been rampant speculation about who might lineup behind center in 2015 and beyond.

Foles, coming off of a disappointing and injury-shortened season, is entering the final year of his contract and Mark Sanchez is a free agent that likely will not be re-signed when the new league year begins in March.

That leaves Kelly and the front office in a difficult spot heading into the head coach’s third year at the helm of the franchise.

Given the lack of options, former Redskins quarterback Joe Theismann believes sticking with Foles — who finished with 13 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in just over seven games last season — could be the Eagles’ best move.

“I think it makes sense,” Theismann told Harry Mayes and Eytan Shander on 97.5 FM The Fanatic in Philadelphia Tuesday when asked if inking Foles to a two-year deal and following the Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick blueprint would be a wise choice for the Eagles. “I think when you talk about losing someone or someone going into the last year of a deal, you have to understand what you’re options are. What are the options besides Nick Foles in Philadelphia? You don’t have an option. I think you work the deal and it makes an awful lot of sense to do that.”

Sure, the Eagles could try and move up in the draft in an attempt to pluck Oregon quarterback and Kelly pupil Marcus Mariota, an idea that NJ Advance Media has reported is already being explored. However, short of a Mariota slide down the draft board to a spot where it makes logistical sense for the Eagles to strike a trade, heading into the season with Foles and a veteran backup might be the only option the Eagles have.

Theismann though, isn’t convinced that Foles would sign a deal and could theoretically ‘bet on himself’ as Eagles’ wide receiver Jeremy Maclin did in 2014.

“I think Nick is the one that has the decision to make. Not the Eagles,” Theismann said. “Nick could do what Joe Flacco did. He could go out and bet on himself.

“He could say to himself ‘hey, I have a heck of a football team around me. I have what I believe is the best running back in football. I think Shady is the best overall back in football. I feel like the team is going ot upgrade the offensive line. I think we’re going to upgrade defensively. Our wide receivers are exactly what Chip has been looking for. Hey, we can play the Cowboys toe-to-toe. We can play the Giants toe-to-toe. We can play the Redskins toe-to-toe. We can take care of business in our division and then we can see about the Green Bays and Seattles and Arizonas and all the other teams as we go forward.””

However the Eagles wind up addressing the quarterback position this offseason, it is likely to be the most speculated decisions between now and at least the NFL Draft in April. That is, unless Kelly and the front office commit to Foles before then, which at this point does not appear to be likely.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2015 8:37 pm

****NFL News ****
TB Bucs Released/Cut QB Josh McKnown
After HC Lovie Smith brought him in Last Year as his
First Player Personnel move which did not work out to
Well.. The Bucks still have QB Mike Glennon
Who similar to Nick Foles is still on his Rookie Deal
and really costs them very little when you factor that the Bucs
Will most likely Draft their Franchise QB this coming Draft so why keep
A Veteran QB costing a few Million $$$
This also could signal the Start of the end for Lovie Smith
Where the GM & Ownership are positioning the
Team for their next HC come next Off-Season

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 1:59 pm

**NFL News****

GB PAckers HEad Coach MIke MCCarthy to relinquish “Play Calling Duties”
and will let Former OC Tom Clements handle the Play Calling while McCarthy focuses on the Game and works with all 3 Parts of the Team (Offense,Defense & Special Teams)
The Cowboys found Success with HC Jason Garrett giving up Play Calling and to another Coach (Scott Linehan) while Garrett manages the Sidelines, Players,Coach’s, the Clock,Challenge Calls,etc,etc)

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 2:09 pm
Reply to  paulman

Tom Clements has been Promoted from OC to Asst Head Coach
While WR Coach Edgar Bennett moves up to the OC

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2015 2:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

On an ENTIRELY different level…. When I was a head coach at e HS level I moved from a DC to HC… I gave DC to another guy… My dad was livid… ‘Why in the hell do you need a DC? It’s just football’… And this was a time and level of ball that was far less complicated than today’s nfl… I tried to explain there is too much going on…. You have to do it…either that and have HC title, run the D or O and give game manage responsibilities to another.
McCarthy is a good coach… He did the right thing

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2015 2:41 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

It may be a Trend where some Owners/Front Office’s feel that some Coach’s get so active and consumed in their “Play Calling” that they miss the overall pulse of the game, their sidelines, the other Units on their Teams, etc,etc… You can look at Coach AR, Jason Garrett (b4 last Year) Tom Trestman last Season, McCarthy, Mike Shannahan with Redskins and maybe even Chip Kelly a bit….

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 13, 2015 7:12 am

Here’s what Chip said about Mariota……

“He might be the fastest guy on the field,” Kelly said. “But his mind is even faster. He thinks like Peyton Manning.”

Here’s a question that wasn’t asked on here.

Would Chip Kelly rather have Foles or Mariota? and if so….why?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 7:37 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

will be answered in early may…

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 7:37 am

Well Mariota seems to be slipping down in the draft. Maybe we will get to see for sure how much Chip Kelly thinks he needs Mariota.

It’s really not a question of who Chip would rather have – Foles or Mariota…. He has Foles. The question is who would Chip rather have – Mariota or the two other first round picks he would have to give for Mariota.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 8:45 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

there is zero chance of Mariotta coming to the Eagles– zero! — he is going to the browns at 5. The browns have more to give and the need a QB– Eagles don’t need a QB, they have theirs….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 8:57 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Eagles don’t need a QB, they have theirs. That has yet to be determined.
You believe that, but does Chip? Chip will ride with Foles due to a lack of other options if there is no other alternative to who he wants. But that is just my opinion based on Chip’s and Jeff’s responses when it comes to Foles’ future as an Eagle.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 9:00 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

its my opinion that he is chips guy based more on actions then words.
when you look around football at all the QB shuffling, all the first rounders not picked up after their rookie contract etc…. its because of one thing, and one thing only… lack of winning- foles wins–for all the talk, hyperbole, arguing etc… in the nfl it comes down to wins- chip has won 14 games with foles starting and lost 4–

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 9:52 am
Reply to  haveacigar

The real action and proof will be if Foles is given an extension. I think Kelly is waiting to see if he can upgrade the QB position before he does anything with Foles. At some point the contract extension will have to be addressed before the 2015 season commences. If Chip is waiting to see if he can upgrade the position…then he does not believe Foles is thee/his guy.
As far as 14-4, that is fine…but..does Chip believe Foles can win him the big game in terms of playing against high caliber defenses. So far the record says no. Is Foles good, yes…is he good enough for Kelly? That is the question that needs to be answered.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 9:55 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I don’t think the extension is going to happen too soon- i believe it will be handled from both sides in a cautious manner–similar to how baltimore and flacco did it. Remember Krap didn’t get his extension until June/july, Wilson, luck, Newton and RGME no extension yet
I don’t believe there is an upgrade anywhere- certainly not in the draft or free agency and teams don’t trade good QB’s- i’m pretty sure the packers wouldn’t trade rodgers

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 10:23 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I can not look at other teams decisions and apply it to the Eagles as it relates to Foles ‘ situation. I agree, nothing will be done soon, in in part because Kelly is waiting to see what he can do during the draft. I do not know HAC, I have been a Foles suppporter. I am on record for that in 2013 & 2014, however, Chips and Jeff ‘s lukewarm responses at best speaks volumes as it relates to their belief in Nick. I have removed my thinking as a fan with invested emotion onvthis matter. Honestly, I do not think Chip or Jeff think nowhere nearly as high of Foles as some fans do. I believe they see him as replaceable and are looking for the right QB to replace him.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 10:27 am
Reply to  haveacigar

yeah i never listen to what a politician or a coach says– its all a lie or at best a misdirection.
as for looking at other teams way of doing things i mention that because there is a process and reasons for doing things in regards with contracts-
The qb position is so freaking important (understatement) that I think if you find one that can win you have to ride him. Remember that with the franchise tagging of players I think Foles has at least two more years of eagles control- its no wonder they are in no hurry.
As for the draft lets say chip has a man crush on mariotta and in some scenario trades foles and 20 to the rams for 10– how much more do you have to give to move to two or 3? so now you have a rookie qb, maybe make a few FA pickups of 28 year old secondary help, an aging offensive line, a premier back who’s days are numbered all that and zero draft picks for this year and next- meanwhile you have cleveland with no qb and two first rounders…. I just can’t see it.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2015 10:48 am
Reply to  haveacigar

That’s right on Cleveland Ciggy, and………. they are 47 Million under the Cap……Do you think they’ll spend it, or go for the Salary Cap SuperBowl?

They will lose Brian Hoyer, so they will be looking for a Franchise QB – Meaning, if Mariota is within reach, they WILL draft him.

I agree with you that all this talk about trading for Mariota allows the Eagles to smokescreen their offseason plans – Because they have no shot at getting him without selling the farm – and in my opinion he isn’t worth it, nor any other QB in this draft.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 10:52 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Jeff backed McNabb and Vick…verbally. Kelly has verbally and publically supported players he likes and wants…even Cooper in his free agent year. Why would he verbally…on record back and praise and endorse some players..but not Nick. There is no true logic , reason, or rational behind it…except he is not feeling the same way about Nick. Chip was evasive with djax…same with Nick, not with Mac , Shady or Ryans…his feelings …he has made them crystal as it relates to them.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 11:15 am
Reply to  haveacigar

EHL you are comparing apples and oranges- mcnabb was a number 1 pick, vick was a rescue pick up a public relations situation that they had to get in front of…
there is a big poker game going on- eagles and every other team are running misdirections, double reverses etc– blowing smoke up the medias ass, giving espn something to talk about, getting blog hits–
i guess underwear day is coming up soon and there will be more smoke up asses at that point–

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 11:52 am
Reply to  haveacigar

It doesn’t matter, if Nick was balling lights out do you think they would be hemming and hawing when asked about him? The round he was selected has nothing to do with it….it is based on what they think of him as a player. Matter of fact, I think he has played well for a third rounder, but they are looking at what it is they want to see at the position. RG3 was selected 2nd overall, Washington is hemming and hawing, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Ryan Leif were all high first round picks and Foles is better than all of them, but their respective teams did not back them when it was time to re-up them because of they turned out to be something those organizations did not want or believe in. We have to stop with the excuses and deal with what it is…clearly, they are not infatuated or believe in him enough with to make him thee guy. Even Nick is not sure where he truly stands with this team or in the coaches eyes. He knows what he wants and where he expects to be, that does not mean that Chip feels that way as Chip continues to be ambiguous as it pertains to Nick.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 12:14 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

‘chip continues to be ambiguous about foles”…really? continues to be ambiguous? he hasn’t said anything to anybody in about 2 months???
you don’t understand that there is zero to be gained by saying anything right? zero! they are going into this draft and he is blowing smoke– does he love mariotta as much as his sound bite? does he like foles or not? don’t you think you are in a better situation by not showing your hand– i have an idea — lets play a few games of poker– 5 card stud- three of your cards are dealt face up and i play it close to the vesst… betchya i win

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 1:03 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Umm, did you not hear Chip’s and Jeff’s responses in regards to Foles being thee guy at the post final game news presser in the locker room. It was anything but one of assuredness or certainty, however they have been more positive and certain of other players at the end of the season presser. I can’t be a part of the Foles Protection Agency (FPA), not because I do not like him, but, because the coach and owner seems not to think he is the answer. I was all wrapped up in DJax, yes, who I still like, and was pissed when he was let go. I simply will not emotionally invest in players anymore….but, this has made me see things more clearly.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 1:46 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

EHL– chill bro-
Those answers in early january mean absolutely nothing– actually less than nothing- they are to be taken no more or less seriously than ‘nicks the eagles qb for the next 1000 years’==
i continue to believe that they can’t start over with a rookie qb–

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 1:56 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC, I am trying to chill, I am just going through my weekly episode… I want answers…LOL!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2015 2:00 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

EHL- if you don’t know it already I suggest you google ‘serenity prayer’ goes bro you got a bad case of trying to control what is not in your control.
It took me two psychotic episodes to become non-chalant about sports- some say i give too much credit to the FO etc.– i realized my anger, losing sleep, yelling at wifey for no reason did nothing to help or change it– those two episodes: 1. eagles/bucs last game at the vet- 10 degrees, vet closing tampa hates the cold, we are on our way to the superbowl– then joe jaravicuos happened! and 2. 4 run lead, cliff lee on the mound and ‘thats baseball’ comment comes from his mouth… i now root for them and when they win i smile, lose i turn the tv off and go ho hum!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 2:08 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC, I hear you. I am trying to control myself. I have lost a woman over my passion for the Eagles before, not paying her enough attention…so I have backed off since that happened, but Yes, I still have some more work to do. I will check that prayer out.Thanks bro!

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 10:31 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Kelly better be more concerned about fixing his Defense which has been terrible for the last 4-5 Seasons against the Pass and until that is Fixed or at least Improved Big Time, the rest of the QB Chatter is meaningless, for they won’t even make the Post-Season unless he Rebuilds the entire Secondary to go along with Malcolm Jenkins, Nolan Carroll, Brandin Boykins and ????????

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2015 11:26 am
Reply to  paulman

And I wouldn’t even keep Nolan Carroll. He’s no better than Bradley Fletcher, but I guess you have to consider his experience in case of injury.

If I were them, I would make an attempt to trade for Justin Houston to begin the rebuilding of the Defense through free agency first….

Then give me McCourty, Maxwell, House, and Orlando Franklin

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 12:27 pm
Reply to  paulman

It would be Impossible GMCliff to add or sign Houston,McCourty,Maxwell,House and Franklin

Would this be after signing WR J Maclin ??

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2015 2:42 pm
Reply to  paulman

No it’s not impossible Paul….

and yes after signing Maclin, restructuring Shady’s money, and cutting ties with the likes of Trent Cole, Brandon Graham, Cary Williams, Nolan Carroll, Todd Herramans, and Riley Cooper…

and you know me, I would trade Connor Barwin – He’s not an elite pass rusher, and we’ll never see another repeat of last years aberration – so get value for him now before his figurative coach becomes a pumpkin, and give me more talented, longer range option at OLB Pass Rusher in the draft.

Also trade Evan Mathis, and perhaps Vinny Curry, if the deal works for the Eagles…

I don’t want players like Chris Culliver, I don’t want Brian O’Shefield, Jerry Hughes, or Jake Locker. They’re all average to well below talent players at best that will not help this team get to the next level….

I’ve had enough of the mediocrity with the Eagles.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 10:31 am

I can not look at other teams decisions and apply it to the Eagles as it relates to Foles ‘ situation. I agree, nothing will be done soon, in in part because Kelly is waiting to see what he can do during the draft. I do not know HAC, I have been a Foles suppporter. I am on record for that in 2013 & 2014, however, Chips and Jeff ‘s lukewarm responses at best speaks volumes as it relates to their belief in Nick. I have removed my thinking as a fan with invested emotion onvthis matter. Honestly, I do not think Chip or Jeff think nowhere nearly as high of Foles as some fans do. I believe they see him as replaceable and are looking for the right QB to replace him.

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 11:06 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I think the Opposite here with Eagles and Foles Situation
I believe something will be announced shortly since there really isn’t a better Option out there, whether it’s in Free-Agency or in the Draft this Year…
Solidify the Position shortly on who your QB is for 2015 (Foles) and then move Forward in adding Talent to the Team, makes more sense to me..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 11:53 am
Reply to  paulman

Nothing will happen prior to the draft, as Chip may use Foles as a bargaining chip to attempt to move up.

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 12:42 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

That’s Possible but again, a Team really in Need of a QB is going to have the same Questions about Nick Foles as Chip Kelly Does…

1) Is he Durable Enough to play a Full 16 Game Schedule?
2) Is their Upside in his Game or a 1 Hit Wonder ?
3) Do I get the 2013 Foles or the 2014 Foles Production wise?

Since these are all legitimate questions and concerns about Nick Foles and if your a Team that really needs a QB moving forward, Wouldn’t you just pick your Own QB in the Draft and then Mold and Groom that QB in your System the way you want…

Now if your the Denver Bronco’s and Peyton Manning Retires and your Team is Built to Win Now, then maybe you inquire about Nick Foles since there are not many Veteran QB’s out there in Free-Agency
but if your the Bucs,Titans, Jets, Browns or Rams and in a rebuilding
mode, why would you want Nick Foles if you can draft a Younger QB with more Potential Upside that’s “your guy”

Nick Foles and Chip Kelly are in a odd spot, but it’s the way it is..
I think Kelly commits to Foles for I am not sure there is a better alternative at this time…
I will say this 1 final time, the Worst Thing that happened to Chip Kelly was the 2013 Eagles Playoff Season… The unexpected Success of the Eagles and Nick Foles play in 2013 has delayed Kelly’s Rebuilding Program already by 1 Season.. So now the question remains, will it delay it again for 2015 Season and stay “status quo” or does Chip Kelly move forward with his Rebuild Program and take some risks …
This is what we will find out over the next 30-60 Days

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 1:17 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I read absolutely nothing into Chip or Jeff’s comments regarding Foles. The truth is that Chip has never publicly endorsed Foles. With the exception of saying that “Foles is the starter for 1000 years” – which was just a non-answer to a media question.

In other words, Chip’s lukewarm responses this year are no different from his lukewarm responses of prior years. Chip is not madly in love with Foles… It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out….

Kelly is going to do what Kelly is going to do and the words he says ahead of time have nothing to do with it. He told DJax to “get ready for camp” and “don’t worry about anything”….. Then he cut him…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 1:51 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish, you can Google or youtube Lurie and Chip interviews after the final game against the Giants. They address it there. There is not much left to interpretation.
I never read Kelly told Djax that, that is what Djax said Kelly told him…Kelly never said that from what I read. All of a sudden people want to believe Djax now..how funny!

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 2:21 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

What Coach’s, PLayers, Front Office Personnel or even an Owner, Says Publicly right after any Game, should be taken with a Grain of Salt..
Now in a prepared Press-Conference afterwards where Emotions have settled down,etc,etc, then that’s a different story, but right an emotional game with the Giants, which even though the Eagles Won was their Official end of the Season, is not a great time to get a real reflective answer about anything moving forward..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 2:30 pm
Reply to  paulman

Historically speaking, Jeff Lurie has been quite clear and honest in his opinions about things at the end of the season….even when he just gave a little info, but, he was a little more open and talkative in the game season finale presser. So, while I will not dispute what you say about other teams, I disagree with you as it relates to the Eagles, especially Lurie.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 3:36 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Irish, you can Google or youtube Lurie and Chip interviews after the final game against the Giants.

Oh I have, I know that neither Lurie nor Kelly give Foles a glowing endorsement. My point is – they never have given him a glowing endorsement. It’s nothing new…. Last year, Howie Rosemen had good words to say about Foles – but Kelly never has.

So, to me, Kelly’s non-commitment to Foles is business as usual…. I feel no more, or no less confident that I know what Kelly might do with the QB position.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 1:53 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

And if chip did say that, then he is just a liar and can’t be trusted. I don’t trust him anyway, however, I do believe him when he says the best ability is availability, and Nick has not been to available. You can’t help the club sittin in the tub!

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 13, 2015 2:37 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

EHL that’s the part everyone is glossing over the injuries, all we heard about Vick and rightfully so was he’s injury prone. What is Foles? He’s not athletic enough to avoid hits in or out of the pocket so he’s going to take hits and right now he’s showing that he’s not durable at all.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 2:47 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Wussup Big, I know, I figured I’d just throw that out there. Kind of important..ya know!

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 2:42 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

One of the Few things that Chip Kelly has stated since Day 1 that I do believe in is when he says you need “2 QB’s to Play in the NFL”
So I expect him to add a Veteran Free-Agent (maybe a Jake Locker,
Thaddeous Lewis, Casey Keenum or even bring Mark Sanchez back)
for he will not go into the 2015 Season with Foles,Barkley and a QB Draft Pick..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 2:49 pm
Reply to  paulman

By Barkley, an absolute waste of a pick and roster spot.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2015 3:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

Would rather have Brian Hoyer, if not Sanchez

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2015 3:35 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I think Barkley gets Cut this Camp and possibly even before depending if they bring a Veteran in and Draft a QB

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 4:06 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

If availability is important to Chip, he should be concerned with his offensive line who have totaled 61 missed games in three years.

Kelce – 18
Peters – 16
Mathis – 7
Herremans -16
Johnson – 4

I think most clear thinking coaches make a correlation between offensive line injuries and QB injuries. Not that it will help Foles….

If Kelly thinks he can win more with a different QB, it’s his job to replace Foles. I will be a happy fan if the Eagles win…. i don’t give a shit if koolbreez is the QB.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 5:59 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

The O line was healthy all last year…Nick missed time due to injury last year too…he injury prone…not good.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 13, 2015 6:20 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Where is stat man when you need him? How many missed games did Vick’s lineman miss and how did that correlate to his injuries? LOL

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 6:37 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

LOL!!!

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 6:55 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

The O line was healthy all last year

What?

Mathis missed 7 games
Kelce missed 4 games
Johnson missed 4 games (suspension)
Herremans missed 8 games

Foles played behind the worse line in the NFL, as ranked by Pro Football Prospectus for the first 8 weeks.

And to answer your question Big – Vick got his ass kicked in 2012 playing behind Dallas Reynolds and King Dunlap.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 7:05 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Dude, I meant 2013, I am sure you knew that… yes they were healthy. Stop with the excuses for Nick though, QB is a different animal. The QB must stay healthy and he has not been.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 7:42 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Who’s making excuses for Nick Foles? He fractured his clavicle? Rogers did too, so did Romo, so do lots of QBs. McNabb missed some time in 5 of his 10 years as starter.

Yeah QBs are a different animal….they get injured often, almost all of them do at one time or another in their career.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 8:33 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Mike Sielski, Inquirer Columnist
Posted: Friday, February 13, 2015, 1:08 AM

In a scene that won’t be repeated, the man in charge of the Eagles’ player-personnel decisions huddled with some media members at Lucas Oil Stadium during last year’s NFL scouting combine and spoke at length of his affection for and commitment to the team’s No. 1 quarterback.

Howie Roseman went on and on about Nick Foles that day, about an up-and-coming quarterback whom the Eagles had an obligation to support, and things certainly have changed since then. No Eagles representative is scheduled to speak at next week’s combine. Chip Kelly has all the control now. And Foles has gone from a prospective franchise centerpiece to a guy perceived to be keeping the seat warm for his more-Kelly-friendly successor – presumably, if you believe the scuttlebutt, Marcus Mariota.

Yes, things certainly have changed, and it’s only when you look back at the Eagles’ structure then – the power that Roseman believed he had, the hope that accompanied Foles’ continued development – that you see how different everything is now. One year later, and Kelly’s calling all the shots, Foles’ future is uncertain, and Roseman’s perspective seems from another time, another era in the Eagles’ history.

“I think we’ve been unquestioned about Nick, that when you talk about Mike Vick, that there’s not an opportunity for a starting spot here and that’s a reflection on Nick Foles and where he is in his career,” Roseman said at the time. “It’s exciting to think he’s in his second year in this league and really one year in the system under Coach Kelly. There’s room for growth, and I think he has tremendous support within the building, within the organization, and I’m really excited for him as a person and a player.”

Already, this promises to be the sports story of the spring here in Philadelphia – whether Kelly, who recruited Mariota to Oregon and coached him there for a year, will be able to acquire him in this year’s NFL draft. On one level, the notion that the Eagles ought to pursue Mariota, one of the draft’s two top quarterback prospects, is ridiculous. They pick so late in the first round (20th) and have so many other needs (the secondary, inside linebacker, offensive-line depth) that the cost of moving up high enough to draft him would be prohibitive.

Besides, they’d be giving up on Foles, who in 21 games under Kelly has thrown 40 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions and has a 14-4 record as a starter, and NFL teams usually don’t give up on 26-year-old quarterbacks with resumés like Foles’. Even after the kind of season he had last year, when he turned the football over too often and suffered a shoulder injury that limited him to eight games, they would give him at least one more season to show just what they really have in him.

On another level, though, going after Mariota, doing whatever it takes to get him, makes perfect sense for Kelly and the Eagles. If Kelly considers the draft a complete crapshoot, as he suggested he does in an interview last year with Sports Illustrated, then of course he’d make Mariota his top priority. Of course he’d bank that the player he knows best and values most would allow the Eagles to overcome all their shortcomings, and of course he’d be willing to sacrifice draft picks and players if it meant he’d have the ideal quarterback for the full potential of his offense to blossom.

That’s the power of a great quarterback, after all. The New England Patriots, the Green Bay Packers, the Indianapolis Colts – those teams aren’t perfect, but their quarterbacks elevate them. If you knew Mariota would be that caliber of quarterback, if you knew he’d be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck, how much would you give up to get him?

These are the questions that define a franchise and the people in charge of it, and the answers to all of those questions are, at the moment, murky. Me, I’d play it safe. I’d do my best to sign Foles, who’s entering the final season of his rookie contract, to a short-term deal, then address the roster’s other weaknesses. I don’t know what Kelly will do. I have my suspicions. Everyone does. And those suspicions are all pretty much the same.

But man, you should have heard Roseman last year. Everything sounded so clear then.

“Throughout our organization, [Foles] has tremendous support from all of us,” Roseman said last year. “You watch him at the Pro Bowl, and you see him having fun and winning the MVP. He represents us tremendously well. He had a tremendous year. He’s a young quarterback who really fits into our culture and our chemistry.”

It was true, every word of it. Last year.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 8:43 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Rodgers has played a full season…No? Let’s not even mention the two in the same breath.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2015 8:47 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

And Roseman all of a sudden lost the power that he had…last year!

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 13, 2015 9:02 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Yes he did, and I’m glad he lost that power.

I for one, think that Kelly should have full control of the roster. I think Kelly should go out and get the players that he thinks he can win with. That includes replacing Foles if he thinks he should.

I’m a Kelly believer – for now…. If he gives away multiple first round picks for his QB it better work… Because if it doesn’t work it’s the Eagles fans that live with it… Kelly will be coaching in college again.