• March 19, 2024

“All-In” For Marcus Mariota Would Be A Colossal Mistake

mariotaBetween now and the draft, we’re going to see about a million different reports that state how badly Eagles’ head coach Chip Kelly wants to reunite with Marcus Mariota, and would be willing to do whatever it takes to go up and get him.

Making a move to get higher up in the draft for Mariota would be a mistake, plain and simple.

You Don’t Pay A King’s Ransom For A System Quarterback

A true franchise-quarterback prospect is incredibly hard to find.

Just finding a quality quarterback in the first round in damn near impossible. Look at the names of all of the quarterbacks taken in the first round over the last 10 years.

Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Matt Leinart, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Ryan Tannehill, E.J. Manuel, Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, Teddy Bridgewater.

All together, 26 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round since 2005. Of those, only Rodgers, Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Newton, and Luck have established themselves as quality quarterbacks in this league. That’s 20 busts to six success stories. And even of those six, the jury is still very much out on the likes of Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and Cam Newton.

Teams in this league are always desperate to find their franchise quarterback. And often times, desperation leads to bad teams making bad picks (or even bad trades to make bad picks). And bad picks, especially at the quarterback position, will set a team back for years.

In particular, let’s look at the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Browns. Here you have prime examples of two franchises under poor leadership that made some terrible decisions in the top of the draft at the quarterback position.

Of course with Washington, the Redskins infamously traded three first-round picks just a few years ago to move up and take Robert Griffin. Griffin has had a very rocky career, complete with multiple injuries, questions about his leadership, and has been benched by two separate head coaches. And with no other significant draft assets since 2012, Washington has been left with no other means other than free agency to significantly build around Griffin and improve their team.

The Browns have taken three quarterbacks in the first round in the last 10 years. They traded back into the first round to get Brady Quinn in 2007. They reached on Brandon Weeden at the bottom of the first round in 2012, only to release him a year and a half later. They traded back into the first round last year to buy-in to all of the Johnny Manziel/Johnny Football/next-big-thing! nonsense, and one year later there’s already talk of them considering Mariota if he’s available in round one! Talk about completely and utterly failing to learn a lesson…

Quarterback is the hardest position to project success for in the NFL. More often than not, a guy taken in the first round is a bust. A real “can’t miss” prospect like Andrew Luck happens maybe once in a generation. There’s no quarterback in this draft worth trading a king’s ransom for.

And here in the case of Mariota, you have a guy who isn’t considered anywhere near the level of prospect that Luck or even Griffin was. He’s arguably the top quarterback available in a very weak class. He’s a guy who was a product of a system, and played in the Pac 12, a conference known for some of the weakest defense is all of college football.

And if any team is willing to sell the Eagles an opportunity to move into the top of the draft to select a quarterback, chances are that team (which is most likely quarterback-needy themselves) feel that said prospect is much more likely to be Robert Griffin than he is Andrew Luck…

Giving Up Multiple Picks Would Limit How The Eagles Can Improve In Years To Come

If the Eagles were to give up multiple first and second rounders, it would really tie their hands with how they’re able to improve the club.

In order to make any significant moves, the Eagles would have to rely primarily on free agency to fill other holes that pop up. We saw back in 2011 what might happen if you assemble a roster built primarily around mercenaries.

Free agency is supposed to be used to supplement the draft, not serve as the backbone of a team.

Even if the Eagles do a better job bringing in quality free agents than they did in 2011, those big contracts would all too quickly put the Eagles in cap hell.

The Eagles already had some minor cap issues going into this off-season. They had just about $19 million to work with before releasing James Casey, and may have to part ways with a few more veterans in order to give themselves the flexibility to do what they need to do.

And the other question to consider here is how much would the Eagles really have to work with in the next few years to improve the team?

They’re going to have to re-sign Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Bennie Logan, and Cedric Thornton, among others in addition to bringing in outside help from the free-agent pool.

They won’t be able to afford everybody, so the team will likely be looking at scenarios where they either have to let some players walk or cut other key veterans that have higher cap numbers.

It’s a messy situation that could be avoided if the team is able to primarily fill their holes with first and second-round talent.

If Mariota Is Truly An Elite Prospect, Teams Won’t Pass The Opportunity To Draft Him

Here’s the second critical flaw with the idea of trading up for Mariota.

If any team sitting at the top of the draft is willing to pass on the opportunity to draft the “next Peyton Manning” (as “genius” Chip Kelly calls him), then there’s a good chance that said prospect is as a matter of fact, NOT the next coming of Manning.

Consider the following: no team in this league other than the Eagles would be willing to part with such a hefty package in exchange for the opportunity to draft Mariota. Sure, plenty of teams are more than likely intrigued by Mariota, but no team or general manager in this league sees him as a guy worth sacrificing multiple first and second-round picks for.

This is a quarterback-driven league where every losing franchise is desperate to find a true franchise quarterback to build around. If Mariota was really something more than just a system guy, why would the teams like Tampa Bay, Oakland, and Tennessee pass up a chance to take him as their own?

The answer is because he’s not a prospect of Manning or Luck proportions, and these teams have a lot more to gain from collecting a high ransom from a head coach with just two years of NFL experience who has already shown a tendency to overvalue his old Oregon prospects.

I Don’t Trust Chip Kelly The GM

Touching more on a point I made above, I’m very concerned about the amount of power that Chip Kelly has right now.

This is a guy who already made some questionable decisions when it comes to the draft throughout his two years with the team. In 2013, there were reports that Kelly was set to take Oregon product Dion Jordan with the fourth overall pick, and the Dolphins trading up and grabbing him was the only thing that stopped the Eagles from selecting him and going with Lane Johnson instead.

Last year, Kelly reportedly wanted Jordan Matthews in the first round last year, and openly admitted that Howie Roseman talked him out of taking Taylor Hart in round three.

This to me says that Kelly, who has only been in the NFL for two years, does not have a good grasp on how the draft works and how to properly organize his board and know when to take and not to take certain players.

There’s some legitimate doubt about whether or not Mariota is even a top-10 pick, and Kelly may be willing to pay a Robert Griffin/Ricky Williams-esque package to move up and take his guy.

As bright as Kelly may be on the field, I’m not even convinced that he’s a legitimate candidate for long-term success in this league. I have even more concern about his odds to make sound decisions as an executive after just two years of NFL experience.

Final Thoughts

It’s going to sound like I’m down completely on Marcus Mariota as a player, and that’s not the case.

If Mariota were to slide to the Eagles at #20, and Chip wanted to take a shot then, that’d be one thing. But this idea of doing “whatever it takes” or going “all-in” and “mortgaging the future” for Mariota just because Kelly coached him before at Oregon?

It’s absolute insanity to me.

And I’m not telling you Nick Foles is the answer either. However, when it comes to deciding on whether I’d rather take my chances with a guy like Foles who I’ve already seen win a lot of games (and mind you, has had more success his short career than most of the 20 first-round busts) and using three-to-four first/second round picks to try to continue to build around him or ship all those picks away and gamble everything on a complete unknown primarily because he and the head coach have a prior relationship?

Would I rather add another top wide receiver/safety/corner/offensive lineman over the next year three years with my first and second round picks, or throw them all together to take a risk on a quarterback that “fits Chip’s system” but might not necessarily fit the NFL?

Yeah, I’m staying the course with Foles. No-brainer.

Denny Basens

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RegalEagle
RegalEagle
February 23, 2015 1:19 am

been saying this. Will change stance to allow for drafting at 20 but no trade up. If chip wanted mm so bad he should have sold Foles after 27-2 and tanked the season. He is either a myopic turd or we get no mm outside a huge slide.

daggolden
daggolden
February 23, 2015 5:52 am

There are some flaws to your thought process Denny. First I agree you don’t move up for a system QB but isn’t this Mariotas system? Second the “set back this franchise for years” comment is kinda bogus to because we haven’t won a SB in 54 years doing it the conventional way so its not like we”setting the franchise back” argument is valid either. Setting us back from what year 55? 3rd please list the other 100 QBs not taken in the 1st round that are bust or 1 year wonders and compare it to your 1st round busts you posted and tell me how many teams flourish and find franchise QBs in the later rounds. Please exclude Brady he is a once in a lifetime find. I honestly don’t care which direction they go, mortgage the future for Mariota or build the defense and cross my fingers with Foles Im hoping either way will somehow work. One more thing that is propaganda and a lie is the notion that the Washington Redskins were “set back” with the RG# deal. That’s a fucking lie. They managed to still get DJax, Garcon, Reed and Alfred Morris on that team being “set back”, the problem is with QB and if RG3 would of been Rogers that offense would be prolific even with giving up picks. What sets teams back are picking Marcus Smiths and RT in the 1st round. Picking Josh Huffs, Ed Reynolds and the Danny Watkins of the world. That’s what sets teams back.

daggolden
daggolden
February 23, 2015 6:10 am
Reply to  daggolden

One more thing is I just cant believe if the Eagles give up their #1 pick the next 3 years plus their #2 and 3 pick in some combination with Foles that the Eagles couldn’t still find players in the 2nd through 7th rounds in corresponding years when they have them picks, plus be under the cap 25 million dollars for FA and couldn’t find players? If that’s the case then someone should be fired. My god the draft stops after round 1? If the Eagles believe Mariota is a franchise QB and can get him nothing else matters. The Colts personnel is nowhere near the Eagles but they have Luck. He makes that much of a difference. Hes worth the Colts whole draft. If your wrong on Mariota then your wrong you took a shot. What if we are wrong on Foles? We have no QB after 2015. .

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 8:01 am

as for the comment that the deadskins weren’t ‘set back’– um have you seen their record the last two years?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 23, 2015 8:55 am
Reply to  haveacigar

They sucked before the RG3 trade. That deal did not set them back, poor drafting, using FA to try to build a team and a meddlesome owner, coupled with bad coaching continuously retards that teams growth. With all of the rams selections from that deal, they built a solid defense, but still can not win because Bradford stays injured and poor offensive talent selections in the draft.

paulman
paulman
February 26, 2015 10:17 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

WR Tayvon Austin has to be categorized as a Major Disappointment for the Rams as he has done little in 2 Years as the # 8th Overall Pick of the 2013 Draft
He’s caught 71 Passes for 660 Yards and 4 TD’s in 2 Seasons
His Return Game Stats are nothing Special averaging 20 Yards per Kick-Off Return with Zero TD’s and averages almost 10 Yards per Punt Return where he does have 2 TD’s…
He has Rushed the Ball for 45 Times for 375 Yards for 8.3 Yards Per carry Average on mostly end-arounds/reverses..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 8:29 am

Info from fansided…….source information online

headline.

The Philadelphia Eagles are apparently in the quarterback market again and are looking at a pair of players from the Pac-12.

According to a report, the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in Brett Hundley of UCLA as their next quarterback, but are much more interested in orchestrating a reunion in the City of Brotherly Love between head coach Chip Kelly and Oregon’s Heisman Trophy winner, Marcus Mariota.

Cecil Lammey is giving information discussed in private circles.

Now…..

The reality is Chip Kelly really don’t care about the “motrgage the future” talk because if he don’t have the right guy he trusts running the offense, there is no future for him as an EaglesHead coach.

In a nutshell, Chip Kelly’s future is now.

The first 2 years of his program was to fully implement his system in an effort to learn what works and what doesn’t work.

Now, after a full 2 seasons he can now go full steam going forward and that’s why he wrangled full control of the reins going into his 3rd season.

Chip will not allow Roseman or anyone the power to throw a wrench into what he thinks this team needs to go far in the playoffs, which makes me think he’s thinking unorthodox.

Many said his scheme wouldn’t work in the NFL and Chip proved them wrong.

Many thought his offense couldn’t work with a stationary QB.

Chip proved them wrong.

Now, people are saying it’s impossible to move up and get Mariota.

Chip relishes in the moments when others claim it’s impossible.

Chip Kelly know that the Eagles won’t win big with Foles after 2 years of implementing his system. He can win with Foles, but not win big.

Many would point out the corner, safety play, etc., which is well documented but we’re not talking about the corners if the QB…The Leader of the team is not turning over the rock at record pace. Chip sees this.

We all knew when Chip came in the emphasis would offense that covers the shortcomings on defense.

Score 40 and put a defense on the field that keep the other team under 30.

None of us can say if the defense is the real problem without the metrics Chip and Billy Davis discusses.

If they discussed points like…..”Billy you hold em under 30…I’ll get you 35″ then the defense it’s not as bad as everyone thinks.

The reality is this offense is allowed to rack up yards up and down the field but falters in the red zone, and this didn’t start with Chip Kelly because we’ve seen this over and over under Andy Reid.

The QB falters and turn the ball over when the wide open windows closes as the offense gets closer to the end zone.

Chip see this.

He needs a QB that must be accounted for with the threat of beating a team in the red zone with his arm as well as with his legs.

If the QB can do this giving the “TEAM” a good cushion then that takes pressure off of the defense to win games down the stretch.

The Eagles offense failed last season numbers be damned.

A good QB covers a bad secondary by not putting them in a position to win games.

Do we need help in the secondary?

Yes.

The Eagles will address the secondary in Chip’s 3rd season through free agency by signing Byron Maxwell and bringing and upgrading from Nate Allen.which will not be “mortgaging the future” because Maxwell age “27” (in his prime) is still young but ready and we can find another young Safety through free agency to round off the secondary to play behind a strong front 7.

Even if the Chip give a few 1’s and 2’s this year and next year, there’s still serious talent and value from round 3 all the way to rookie free agents that can fill backup positions and competition coming in to learn under seasoned veterans.

Chip wouldn’t see that as mortgaging the future but getting a sure talent who understands his vision, and would be an invaluable talent for what Chip needs to succeed in the NFL.

I don’t believe Chip will be coaching here for the next 9 years so the future is now for him.

This season is the year we see Chip’s plan take the next step starting at signal caller. Then getting 2 serious FA’s to round off the secondary.

Nick Foles has been a team player and did the best he could do with a limited skill set, but it’s time to turn the page.

We’ll soon know why Chip Kelly took the reigns and I know there will be some guys out there complaining that if Chip move up to get his guy that his days would be numbered.

Well?

If he don’t get his guy and the team continues to regress his days are numbered anyway, so why not feel good about him going out doing everything he feels is needed for the Eagles to succeed?

Chip Kelly’s NFL legacy begins draft day 2015.

Expect the impossible.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 8:37 am

I’m sorry I was a little wordy guys, but the juices starting flowing after I read the sources behind closed doors knows Chip is doing everything he can to get his guy Mariota but if for some reason he can’t, he definitely get Hundley with the first pick at 20.

brace yourselves.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 8:56 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

who are those behind closed door sources? I didn’t catch that?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 23, 2015 9:05 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Like a moth to a flame drawn by the fire…lol.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 9:09 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

someone please tell me when chip said any of this stuff- show me one proposed trade-
I watched about 10 minutes of the combine and they showed chip in the booth with binoculars apparently looking at mariotta run the 40– maybe that’s the speculation!

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 23, 2015 10:32 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

LOL, wait till Viinie gets off the links.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:13 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Cecil Lammey from fandsided dot com. inside reporter who brings private conversation amongst coaches and GM to light without exposing sources.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 23, 2015 2:23 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

a denver broncos beat writer…

Jeff Kolsky
February 23, 2015 8:56 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I’ve been apologizing to people of the site, my wife, co-workers and friends for talking about Mariota since our season ended.

I looked at UFA list for the next 3 seasons, looking at offensive line, corners, safeties, receivers, line backers, every position to be honest. What I saw were players, guys we could sign, guys with PRO level experience in 3-4 defensive schemes, and offensive players that fit the measurements Chip likes, guys who have had good coaching, even guys from schools Chip loves.

What didn’t I find on the list….QB…not one that would allow the “full” Chip system to happen.

The draft picks…. All of these seconds… Nate Allen, jarret, Laws, Abirini… firsts—Watkins, marcus smith..

How do you help to forget about the picks we would give up? With havin Mariota locked under rookie contract, you are going a few years of minimum commitment with money to the QB position an not the 15 plus million you will have to give to Foles with a long term deal. With that $ go over spend for Maxwell if that is your guy, wouldn’t you prefer Maxwell over any CB in round 1 this year? The $ you save by cutting Williams, go sign a Culliver or even t. Williams for a 2 year deal while your CB in rd 3 or a guy like Watkins is ready..

The picks, the picks, the picks…. I don’t care about the picks… I see a QB that will give our coach the piece he needs to try everything in his arsenal…I don’t know if its the answer or if it will work, but I’m all about taking the risk to see it…

Worse case scenario it doesn’t work, but you use FA to get players until your drafting all of your selections again.

Go get Mariota Chip, let’s shock the world.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 8:59 am
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

I am glad chip doesn’t listen to you!

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:23 am
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

I really think That’s what’s on Chip’s mind Jeff.

Chip couldn’t have a better climate to get his guy now that he have full power.

If guys talk about valuable 1st rounders then he can point to Marcus Smith and now Brandon Graham who’s best years will be played on another team.

If they talk about valuable 2nd rounders then pull Nate Allen’s ass out and put the spotlight on that valuable asset for the future.

We’re in a year that have the perfect corner in free agency for what Billy Davis likes to do.

We don’t need draft picks for corners now that Byron Maxwell is available and we have a boat load of money for him and any other position we need to bring in “YOUNG” “PROVEN” talent.

That’s not mortgaging the future….

That’s building a contender!

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 8:52 am

Again it really comes down to the fact that Chip Kelly will never have a top 10 defense like the other teams have won in the past with ordinary to average at quarterback.

So, all the coin goes to offense and having a defense that’s geared to stop teams who are playing from behind.

Will it work?

That remains to be seen.

I also think that Chip will employ a jumbo package to smash mouth within the 20 yard line using Polk this coming season.

yojoe
yojoe
February 23, 2015 9:21 am

BEST article I’ve read all off – season! Great job!!!

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 9:25 am

the term all in makes me cringe. brings back bad memories of the eagles “dream team” and the cool aid man saying that dumb expression

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:36 am
Reply to  mhenski

it’s no where near that year.

Who is talking about breaking the back for a corner?

or bringing in a bunch of mercenaries to help save a lame duck coach?

no comparison.

But I’ll tell you this….At least they tried with the dream team year.

Trading up to get Mariota is not selling the farm.

Signing Byron Maxwell is not like the Asmo signing.

Chip needs his guy to run his offense so we can actually get in the end zone once we get to the red zone.. We need a guy who threatens defenses and is not a turnover machine, or injury prone.

Chip will not let last season happen again.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 9:28 am

I hope I’m wrong about this whole mariotta thing– I hope they give up 5 draft picks and foles for him. I really do– then I hope he and foles battle in about 6 super bowls in the next 10 years….either that or foles wins 3 SB and mariotta is chips QB coach/OC at the university of ________.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 23, 2015 9:35 am

1999 Saints go “all-in” for Williams.
Ditka Fired
Saints go 32-48 over next 5 years

1999 SD Chargers go “all in” to get Leaf giving up 2 firsts, a 2nd and 2 players
Riley Fired
Chargers go 26-54 next 5 years

2012 Washington goes “all in” for RGIII
Shanahan Fired
3-13 and 4-12 last 2 years after a good first year.

Never works.

Again, look at the 26 1st round QBs. I’d take Foles over 22 of them (and that’s pushing it with Ryan and Stafford).

The vast majority of drafted QBs are busts.

Lets be honest. Of the (potentially) 3 first round Qbs (Winston, Mariotta and Hundley) history says that maybe….maybe one will be a quality starter. One will be a marginal player, and one will be a complete bust. That’s an absolute best case scenario.

Because the draft is a complete crap shoot, and because the VAST MAJORITY of QBs are complete busts, it behooves a responsible team to save as many picks as possible and use them to cast the widest net in hopes of landing good players.

Putting all a team’s eggs in one basket that has about a 20% chance of success (at best) is stupid.

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 9:38 am

HUNDLEY WILL NOT GO IN THE 1ST ROUND

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 9:36 am

AND THIS HUNDLEY STUFF HAS TO STOP THAT GUYS IS GOD AWFUL. HE IS A 4TH OR 5TH ROUND TALENT WHO IS SOFT AND CANT THROW. HE WILL NEVER BE A FRANCHISE QB EVER

HE IS A NAME WITH SPEED, HE ALSO BLOWS

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:38 am
Reply to  mhenski

He can’t be any worse than what we’ve seen with Foles last season.

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 9:39 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

YES HE CAN

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 23, 2015 2:24 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

your posts are worse than Foles game against the cowboys where he got concussed.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:37 am

The colossal mistake would be sticking with a QB that can’t beat winning teams.

Everz11
Everz11
February 23, 2015 9:43 am

Great article Denny, spot on. Plus the drafting of Mariotta signals Chip is completely implementing the Read/Option system which to me is a college offense and doesn’t work in the pros. QB gets too beat up, defenses are to fast and QB never learns the game from the pocket.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:52 am
Reply to  Everz11

It sure worked with Russell Wilson.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 9:47 am

Here’s a colossal mistake to keep running a read option with only one option.

Run bootlegs in an read option offense with a slow quarterback.

Go into the season with no other option than Foles knowing he has yet finished a complete season due to season ending injuries.

This is what we do know….Chip will run and call plays as if there’s an athletic QB taking snaps and he will not change his offense to suit Foles.

It’s insane for one to do the same thing and expect a different result.

Foles did a good job while Chip acclimated himself to the NFL but this offense does him a disservice. Foles needs a west coast offense and need to be as far away from a read option offense as possible. He’s getting killed in a read option.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 10:00 am

The Redskins and Browns are terrible comparisons.

Both of these teams sucked ass well before their plans to move up or draft their QB and even them….you can’t blame them for trying to get the most important position in sports even if the plan failed.

So please stop!

Skins and Browns both sucked ass…so throw them out!

This Eagles team will hit on all cylinders and get further into the playoffs if Chip get Mariota and the secondary gets improved with 2 key signings.

That’s not selling the farm and the move can not be compared to those 2 losing organizations.

This would be Chip getting a guy he feels can run his offense, so it’s not a shot in the dark for Chip Kelly.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 10:06 am

Here’s a good question for those who want Foles as the franchise QB.

What would have to happen for you to turn the page on Nick Foles?

Another year leading the league in turnovers?

Another season ending injury?

Another season barely beating below average teams only to lose against winners?

What would it take to know Foles is not the guy?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 10:08 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

what would it take for you to back him—another 27-2 season? another 14-4 in his next 18 games?
he wins!

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 10:20 am
Reply to  haveacigar

No…I’ll back him if he can win a playoff game this season if he’s starter this year.

Foles isn’t 14-4…last I checked QB’s records don’t conveniently start when a new coach is hired, secondly we all seen how Foles got the 27-2 season before last so let it go.

That stat would me something if the Mannings, Aaron Rodgers, or Roethisberger did it.

They are NFL MVP’s if they go 27-2.

We seen the terrible balls thrown and dropped by opponents…the dinks and dunks turned into TD’s by the legs of the running back and 7 of those TD’s coming against the woeful Raiders who gave up 5 and 6 TD games against them the same year…so give it up.

Last season is the current sample of Nick Foles and that is what we need to look at when evaluating his play now.

27-2 is finished and will never happen again. ok?

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 10:09 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

DUDE SHUT THE FUCK UP. NOBODY HERE IS MARRIED TO FOLES ITS ABOUT OPTIONS AND WHAT IT COSTS TO GET AN OPTION. NOBODY HERE IS A 100% BELIEVER IN FOLES. NOBODY HERE HATES MARRIOTA, EVERYONE WOULD BE FINE WITH MARRIOTA IF WE GOT HIM FOR A REASONABLE PRICE WHILE NOT MORTGAGING THE FUTURE AND OUR NEEDS ON DEFENSE

BUT STOP WITH HUNDLEY, HE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE A STARTING CALIBER NFL QB

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 23, 2015 10:20 am
Reply to  mhenski

I have no problem with Eagles taking a QB this draft.

I think trading away 2 drafts for 1 guy is stupid.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 10:30 am

If those daft picks were Marcus Smith and Nate Allen would you agree with trading them away?

Brandon Graham and Danny Watkins…would you trade those picks away?

Did we mortgage the future when we picked ..

Freddie Mitchell?
Jerome Mcdougle?
Brandon Graham?
Danny Watkins?
Marcus Smith?

So, I’m trying to understand how trading 2 #1’s and 2 #2’s is mortgaging the future knowing the Eagles may get the caliber of some these guys on the list?

Especially if we can address our secondary needs in free agency. Look, there’s no corner we can draft in the first round that would be better than Byron Maxwell…..is it?

So what the hell are yall talking about?

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
February 23, 2015 11:21 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Conveniently you pick the the worst picks we have had to prove your point. How about cox, Kendricks, lane Johnson, shady, maclin, jordan Mathews ……all fit’s and second round picks As well. That’s why giving up that much is sick a big deal.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 4:51 pm

that wasn’t the question.

Would you do the deal if trade was for the guys on the list I posted?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 10:23 am
Reply to  mhenski

Brother, it’s the rumor source out there saying Chip will coach up Hundley if he can’t get Mariota…not me.

Maybe Chip feels Hundley can’t be any worse than a slow, injury prone QB.

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 10:24 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 – 8:37 am

I’m sorry I was a little wordy guys, but the juices starting flowing after I read the sources behind closed doors knows Chip is doing everything he can to get his guy Mariota but if for some reason he can’t, he definitely get Hundley with the first pick at 20.

brace yourselves.

HUNDLEY STOCK HAS DROPPED HIM SIGNIFICANTLY FROM A 1st ROUND LOCK TO AT MINIMUM 3RD ROUND

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 10:26 am
Reply to  mhenski

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Browns “would have considered” UCLA QB Brett Hundley in the top-ten picks of last year’s draft.
Hundley, of course, stayed in school and experienced a drop in draft stock, getting exposed when pressured and failing to advance as a passer. This year, Hundley is viewed as a fourth- or fifth-round prospect. The Browns struggled mightily in year one of the Ray Farmer regime, and the idea that they saw Hundley as such a good prospect isn’t promising, either. Feb 21 – 4:19 PM

SCHEFTER SAYING HE IS A 4th or 5th ROUND GUY NOW. WE ALL KNOW CHIP IS ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DRAFT SO HOPEFULLY WE ARENT THE RETARDS THAT TAKE THIS LOOSER AT 20 WHEN HE IS PROJECTED TO GO 120

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 10:32 am
Reply to  mhenski

All that is thrown out the window under Chip Kelly tutelage.

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:01 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Word on the Streets is that Brett Hundley is Buying James Casey Place in Town.. and also that LB Nate Washington is taking over the Lease of Bradley Fletcher’s Condo in Chinatown…
Follow the $$$ and the Leased with local Realty Companies and you’ll figure out who Chip Kelly is Drafting..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 11:09 am

I know you guys want a conventional build through the draft but you must add Chip’s thoughts into your equations.

“You don’t know how it’s going to pan out,” Kelly said. “Just going through the analytics of it, 50 percent of first-round picks don’t make it. That’s through the history of time.”

That means Chip would rather have a sure player in his system that a 50/50 chance of player with a first round grade by some dratfnks.

more……

Chip Kelly

“When you draft someone in the sixth round and you say ‘hey, we got a steal,’ my first question is, why didn’t you take him in the fifth, then?” Kelly asked rhetorically. “If you’re so smart and you knew what you knew and you knew everything about the draft and you knew the guy was going to be an All-Pro — the people who brag about ‘we got a sixth-round pick and he became an All-Pro player — then the first question is, well why didn’t you draft him earlier if you were so smart? A lot of times you don’t know.”

More….

“Our best receiver I ever coached at New Hampshire, we were smart enough to let him walk on at our school,” Kelly said. “It’s the same thing. You offer scholarships to all these guys, you’ve got five-star recruits and everybody is like ‘he’s our guy.’ Then all of a sudden, the first day of practice, you’re like ‘who’s that guy? He’s really good. You did great job letting him be a walk-on.’ I didn’t do anything. You know what I mean? It’s just like when an undrafted free agent comes out of nowhere, where we did a great job going to find him. If we really did a really good job, you would have drafted him.”

This is the mindset of Chip Kelly guys, whether you like it or not.

He will not live with regrets by not trying everything possible to get his guy.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2015 11:28 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

You’re rationalizing Songs…..

Taylor Hart, Jeff Mahael, Josh Huff, Kenyon Barner, Casey Matthews, I don’t trust Chip as an NFL level evaluator….and his thoughts outside of scheme are meaningless….

Chip hasn’t coached or produced many all pros under his tutelage at Oregon – especially on Offense – except Haloti Ngata, Jarius Byrd, TJ Ward??…and that’s all Defense that he doesn’t pay too much attention to.

So what makes you think anything else has changed in his ability to squeeze talent out of his players to play on this level???

We already told you Hundley wasn’t a good prospect, and now it takes for a report like this to get you to open your eyes , and not take what you see in these prospects for granted

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 11:42 am
Reply to  gmcliff

You better trust him because he has full control over the roster….

and by the way Casey Matthews was drafted under Reid so you can replace him with the Matthews drafted in the 2nd rd last year under Chip.

I also believe Josh Huff will become a baller in this system and he showed a lot on special teams during his rookie campaign.

All we need is Mariota to add some fire to this offense.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2015 12:21 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs, brother, trusting him has nothing to do with him making the right decisions on players…

You missed the point on Casey Matthews – he was coached by Chip in college – He stinks as pro. Jordan Matthews is irrelevant to the point, because you didn’t see any consistency in the rest of the draft….

and Deone Buchannon should have been our #! pick, and he, and Howie dropped the ball. That being said, what’s there that says anybody should trust him??

Josh Huff, is nothing more than someone Chip overvalued. He’s a special Teams player at best – he is no baller; You’re dreaming. You’re also dreaming about Mariota coming here….Give it up bruh…

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 11:38 am

Draft QB Bryce Petty from Baylor with their 2nd Round Pick (#52) and the Eagles don’t need to mortgage anything ..
Petty is 6-3 235lbs with the Biggest Arm in this Draft Class
Petty has played in the spread/fast faced offense of Baylor so he can move around and make plays on the roll-outs or from the Pocket…
He’s no Russell Wilson or Mariota athletic wise, but he can make all the NFL Throws and is tough and a natural leader and can move well enough to get out of trouble and occasionally run the Ball ..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 11:52 am
Reply to  paulman

Well if he’s no Russell Wilson or Mariota athletic wise then what the hell Chip want him for?

He can keep Foles slow ass!

Chip is going to get a quarterback who is comparable to Wilson and Mariota Athletic wise.

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 12:41 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I want Eagles to Select Bryce Petty just to shut you up Songs…
If Chip he doesn’t fix this Defense, the Eagles are not Winning 6-8 Games and will be watching the Playoffs from their Couch’s, just like us..
Eagles play in Northeast and in the Outdoors and need to Play a more Physical Style of Football regardless of who QB is like the Pats,Ravens & Steelers do and not this gimmicky, horizontal football that Kelly likes to Play

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 12:47 pm
Reply to  paulman

Except the Patriots used a gimmicky horizontal pick play offense to the SuperBowl.

Top QBs make any offense work to perfection. There is nothing gimmicky about what Kelly does.

Get off it Paulman.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 12:57 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

100% correct on that IJ-
as for your other comment about RW, again spot on.
he is exception to prove the rule- Other mobile qb’s that were drafted at or about the same year as him (newton, krap and RG) are already showing signs of fatigue or body break downs- teams have game planned to make them beat them from the pocket but they don’t have the skills to do so on a consistent basis

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 1:29 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Patriots have a QB, tough down and dirty Receivers along with a Defense and a Coaching Staff for Superior than the Eagles

Gronkowski and Edelman averaged about 11.5 Yards per Catch Average between them with 15 Catches & 180 Yards

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 2:42 pm
Reply to  paulman

No the Patriots have a superstar TE who transcends his position. Jeremy Maclin is just as good if not better than Edelman. The rest are just fodder.

Patriots killed teams with tempo and execution….sole purpose to exhaust defenses and minimize substitution…..

Man doesnt that offensive strategy sound familiar?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 12:45 pm
Reply to  paulman

I want nothing to do with Bryce Petty.

If the mobile qb is needed for the system he has to be a game changer with his legs like Marriotta. If not he needs to make up for that with his arm(Not just having a big arm- Kyle Boller had one of the biggest arms in draft history)

Thats why I want nothing to do with Petty or Hundley.

Russell Wilson has people blindly thinking that with mobility you can teach the rest….RW had all the intangibles etc….you cant teach what he has.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 23, 2015 12:58 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

I agree, if Chip wants someone other than Foles, then he should go get “his guy”. I would not waste a pick on a consolation prize or project if I want my future starter…no more Matt Barkley and who ever elses. Either get thee guy or stay with Foles. No middle mans..unless it is a 7th rounder , i.e., a Brandon Bridge..that would be value.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 12:05 pm

I’m really starting to see guys sour on Chip because they see him trending towards his kind of QB and may us Foles as trade bait to get his guy.

The same guys who supported Chip when he handed the reins to Foles need to trust him if he believes an upgrade is needed for the Eagles to take the next step.

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 12:17 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

i cant… youre a blockhead man

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 23, 2015 12:08 pm

I can’t believe you read Chip saying:

“You don’t know how it’s going to pan out,” Kelly said. “Just going through the analytics of it, 50 percent of first-round picks don’t make it. That’s through the history of time”

And take that to mean he will trade away all his choices for just one guy. One guy that probably, according to history, will fail.

He’s saying the exact opposite!!

If you know the majority of picks will fail….you must make as many picks as possible!! Chip knows this…he states it!

He also states that his best WR was a walk on….that they let in….that this unknown quantity was better than all the kids they had scouted……

what is Chip saying??

He’s saying get as many guys in through the door as possible because the scouting process is imperfect!

You think he’s saying throw all the draft picks for one “sure thing”……when in fact he’s saying the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. He’s saying there are NO SURE THINGS and so you better get as many people into the building as possible.

Anyway I find your interpretation amusing, though typical….

Let’s review:

It used to just be:
Everything songs says, the opposite is true.

Now its also:
“Whatever songs reads and interprets, the opposite is also true!”

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 12:20 pm

I’m more amazed that he can read at all, let alone interpret and comprehend (sorry for the big words) that he has read!

Essope
Essope
February 23, 2015 12:55 pm

Anyone ever think that Chip understands that everyone is going to naturally connect him and Mariota and is playing with that? What coach plays their hand so out in the open?? None.

A lot of people thought he’d take Manziel too but even though he had the chance to he didn’t.

Is it possible he takes Mariota? Sure. I just don’t think it’s that likely. So get ready to be upset when Foles is the starter.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 23, 2015 1:08 pm
Reply to  Essope

He will always be naturally connected to Oregon players. The only people I know who thought Chip was going to take Manziel was songs and koolbreeze.

Everz11
Everz11
February 23, 2015 1:21 pm

Songs, the question of what would it take to move on from Foles for some fans. The answer is prolonged losing. Despite whatever stats you want to throw out, Foles has won the majority of the games he has started. And the loses, the Birds have had a late lead or were at least in the game, in every one of them, even the “playoff game” you often cite as Foles “not being able to beat good teams”. Nick Foles isn’t in my family, so I have no vested interest in him personally. As a fan, I see a young guy that has consistantly won and shown a high ceiling despite being inexpierienced and playing in an offense not tailored to his strengths. Also, Seatle does not run a traditional R/O offense and has the best defense in the last 5 years.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 1:36 pm
Reply to  Everz11

Let’s keep Bradley Fletcher because the Eagles are 20-12 since Chip won with him at corner.

The Eagles can win 10 games with Mark Sanchez at QB……

The Eagles will not win big with Foles so you’re saying as long as the Eagles beat bad teams and never win against winning teams Foles should be the starter?

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 2:17 pm

bottom line on marriota is i would love for him to lace em up here, i love what nick accomplished 2 years ago but last year was an embarrassment. after reading chipwagone DOT net i came away really wanting him but eagles arent trading up for him @#2. if titans want him or some other team at 2 then good for them, there is 0% chance we go up to #2. IMO the magic number is #9, i dont see anyone taking him picks 3-9 if titans pass (Including jets). Could easily see the rams wanting him though so we have to get to #9 unless the rams call and say we want foles and will give you #10 for foles and ______.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 23, 2015 2:32 pm

If he falls to 10 I offer the rams foles,3rd and 4th and if they really want him they will do the deal.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 2:56 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

If he falls to 10 Gloomy thats reasonable. If we have to trade up to 2 I would rather just keep building this team and wait for the opportunity for another QB becomes available if Foles shows this years hes just a game manager.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 5:14 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Stop he is not falling to 10

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:05 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

It would still take another 1st Rd Pick in 2016 Draft to go from #20 to #10

Probably more like QB Foles, #20 Pick & 3rd Round in 2015 Draft
then a 2016 1st Round & 3rd Round

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 3:08 pm
Reply to  paulman

This and next years is reasonable Paulman…but 3 years worth or high round picks isnt.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 3:29 pm
Reply to  paulman

Jeff Fisher will buy the house a round and kiss chip on the lips for this trade. So to recap, he gets a very good starting QB, two firsts and two thirds for a project… Yikes. I would love to see this happen… Then I can admit I was wrong about chip on so many levels! Then we can see chip leave and we hire a retread coach

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 3:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

WHEN EAGLES TRADED UP TO GET BRANDON GRAHAM WE GAVE UP #24 OVERALL, AND 2 3RD ROUND PICKS. SO RELAX PAUL WITH ANOTHER 1ST ROUNDER PAUL… FOLES, OUR #1 DRAFT PICK AND A 3RD ROUNDER WOULD GET IT DONE (IF OUR GM WAS ANYONE BUT CHIP A 4TH ROUNDER WOULD DO IT, BUT OTHER GMS WILL BE OUT FOR BLOOD WHEN DEALING WITH AN INEXPERIENCED COACH INSTEAD OF A GM…)

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 4:01 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Look what the Bills gave up to move up a few Spots last Draft to get Sammy Watkins
or what the Falcons gave up to get WR Julio Jones a Couple of Drafts ago..

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 23, 2015 4:01 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

yeah if offer that then the rams are the clear, clear winners. Plus they’d get the better of the two QB’s

mhenski
mhenski
February 23, 2015 5:01 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

PAUL CMON MAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING UP TO #9 OR #10. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TEAMS MOVING UP TO #4 THATS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. THE VALUE OF THE #4 PICK IS AT LEAST 3 TIMES MORE VALUABLE THAN THE #9 PICK HOMIE

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 5:31 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Enough with the Caps Mhenski
and Stop calling my Homie, You Polish Kielbasi Boy !!!!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 3:00 pm

I see the Seahawks on here mentioned all the time…look at Pete Carroll this and that….look at their roster….but those who do dont want to take the same approach. The Seahawks drafted and drafted until they came up with gems and luck. Plucking RW in the third was luck…..The Seahawks legitimately thought Matt Flynn and Charlie Whitehurst were alternatives….we keep building until we get what we need. This team just is not in a position to go all in IMO.

Doing that reminds me of the Falcons and Julio Jones. Even if he is a great player the inability to fill other postions if the haul is to big is a disaster waiting to happen.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 23, 2015 3:03 pm

If he falls to the rams the eagles have all the leverage cause Jeff fisher is going into his 4th yr there and needs to win now and mariota is not gonna have him in the playoffs this yr not in that division so if he’s on the board at 10 abd chip wants him that bad send foles abd our 2015 3rd & 4th Rd picks and get the deal done outside of that stay @20 abd take bPA.

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:16 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Fisher is not Trading the #10 Pick and a Potential Starting QB for
Nick Foles, the 86th (3rd) and 124th Pick (4th Rd)…
No way is that even close for Fisher to take..

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:17 pm
Reply to  paulman

Gloomy, Didn’t I give you a “Draft Day Trade Chart” from last Year…

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:14 pm

One thing to think about —
If Eagles and Chip Kelly really make a Move up for Mariota and knowing that it would take 1-2 Seasons to Get Mariota really up to Speed at the NFL Level then don’t you think the Eagles would have to actively look to trade McCoy, Mathis,Curry, Celek, Boykins to get some Draft Picks back..
Does this even make sense or everyone ok with this if it were to happen..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 3:21 pm
Reply to  paulman

no because those guys arent getting you anything significant in return. And the better a team is around a rookie the easier the transition into the NFL will be for him so he doesnt have to be the savior.

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:56 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

But with Early Round Picks
Wouldn’t it be beneficial to add additional 3rd/4th Rounders to help fill in the gaps..
If it’s going to take Mariota 2 Season to get to full speed, does it make sense for Eagles to hang onto McCoy, Celek,MAthisa,Curry, Boykins, etc,etc… Does it?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2015 4:00 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paul, why do you want to get rid of McCoy??…salary relief?

Who do you replace him with that’s going to replace his production, or give you what he brings to the team….mediocrity again??

Who?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 4:04 pm
Reply to  paulman

Because you arent factoring age and salary etc….I understand the thought process but outside of possibly Curry you arent getting a ton in return and you will be sacrificing production/ value for potential.

And again….if the approach is you are going to be bring in a young player at QB why in the hell would you sabotage him and send off good players?

Especially McCoy who would be this kids number safety net….again the Eagles offense is built around the threat options generate off of McCoy.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2015 3:22 pm
Reply to  paulman

No…

Celek is not getting traded for the 4th year in a row Paul.

I would trade Boykins, Curry, Barwin and Mathis for extra draft picks even if they don’t try to move up to get Mariota which I think is self defeating.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 23, 2015 4:56 pm
Reply to  paulman

It wouldn’t take Mariota 1-2 seasons to get acclimated. He’s already ahead of Foles in Chip’s offense that’s why Chip wants him.

minimal learning curve…and I would bet top money that the offense would run better with more yars and touchdowns with Mariota at the helm, fewer turnovers and he’d actuall get through the season without a season ending injury.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 25, 2015 3:52 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Not in Chips Offense against NFL Defenses he isn’t…

That’s what you’re ignoring, on top of the fact it’s meaningless that he played in Chips system in College.

andrew p
andrew p
February 23, 2015 3:31 pm

I just read the Broncos are releasing Welker, I say we pick him up, we can get him on the cheap, we put him in the slot with Matthews n Maclin on the outside with Cooper n Huff as your 4 n 5, that’s a big upgrade with just one pickup.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 23, 2015 3:36 pm
Reply to  andrew p

I think he is going to retire… The guy is overly concussed

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 3:51 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Called this a month ago…
Go ahead and Add WR Mike Wallace, RB Reggie Bush,
MLB Patrik WIllis, TE Vernon Davis, WR Greg Jennings, etc,etc

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 23, 2015 3:36 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Welker has scrambled eggs for brains…hes done.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 23, 2015 3:37 pm

And yes paulman I believe that would be the deal and maybe you throw in a 3rd pick in 2016 the eagles hold the leverage fisher needs to win now mode if he doesn’t make yhe playoffs this yr he will most likely be fired and mariota isn’t getting him to the playoffs this yr.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 23, 2015 4:27 pm

Paulman if patrick willis is cut I’ll go to airport myself and pick him up if he signs here The hell with demeco.

paulman
paulman
February 26, 2015 10:24 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Start your Car Gloomy …

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Tedd Ginn cut

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 5:07 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

He was a Major Bust for the Cardinals, Caught very few Passes,
Did little in Returns and never earned his Signing Bonus…

zilents44
zilents44
February 23, 2015 5:46 pm
Reply to  paulman

Hey pman give me a update on the combine today who impressed and who didnt if you dont minf

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 7:38 pm
Reply to  zilents44

I was working today and will try Combine
When they replay it tonight..
I enjoy watching the DB Drills so who is fluid, smooth
In coverage and back pedaling, who can picks the ball up,
While in flight and who has the good hands and leaping
Ability..

Rhino
Rhino
February 23, 2015 7:53 pm
Reply to  zilents44

B. Jones really flew up in the draft do to his combine long jump and his vert. He didnt run the 40 though..said he was dealing with minor injuries. T. Waynes solidified himself as the number 1 corner. Darby also had a showing.. PJ Williams hurt himself with a poor 40 time. I thought he would run in the 4.4 area..he ran like a 4.6. Those are a couple of my views of the combine Z44 …..till Paulman gives the full roundup.

zilents44
zilents44
February 23, 2015 9:14 pm
Reply to  Rhino

Thanks bruh peters didnt do so well so hopefully he will fall to us

Rhino
Rhino
February 23, 2015 9:45 pm
Reply to  zilents44

No problem. I hope we do select M. Peters..I think he will be the best CB in this draft.

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 5:39 pm

Colts Released Veteran DE Ricky Jean Francois after 2 Seasons
He signed a Free-Agent Deal in 2013 on a 4 Year – $22 Million and was
owed $5.5 Million in Salary for the 2015 saving the Colts some $4.75 Million of Cap Space as they look to free up some $$$ to sign OL Help as in Guard/Tackle Orlando Franklin from Broncos or Clint Boling from Bengals

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 5:47 pm

Vikings and Cowboys working out a Deal to Trade RB’s D Murray for Adrian Peterson straight up…
Cowboys have to Officially sign RB Murray to a Deal and then make the Deal
for Peterson where everyone is Happy…

Vikings are a Playoff Contending Team in 2015 along with the Packers

paulman
paulman
February 23, 2015 5:56 pm

Cowboys LB Rolando McClain facing a 4 Game Suspension for 2015 Season for a failed Drug Test.. McClain is actually going into Free-Agency

Giants to use Franchise Tag for DE J Pierre-Paul

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 23, 2015 7:02 pm
Reply to  paulman

No he’s not. Rolando McClain is facing a 4 game fine, basically he would not get paid for first four games of the season. He is appealing that. Now, if he fails another drug test, he would be open to a four game suspension.

summup
summup
February 23, 2015 6:46 pm

Denny what’s up dude… I’m not going to lie to you i’m excited about this draft. Here in D.C. their GM went on record in the Washington Post saying ” We are going to hold off drafting till the last second” We all know what that means right ? LOL LOL they need those picks back from Cleveland and if that Clown fall to the skins….. OLD BARNEY RUBBLE is going to bite . I believe that in my heart!!!!!!!!! GO BIRDS 2015

zilents44
zilents44
February 23, 2015 7:15 pm
Reply to  summup

Yea on 92.7 here in dc cooleyband the boyz talked about it someone will bite hope not eagles

Rhino
Rhino
February 23, 2015 7:39 pm

I for one will be happy if the eagles select Hundley with the 3rd or 4th rd pick..Just my opinion, but i feel he can and will be a good starter. Shoot i like him more than i did Bridgewater and Bortles. Schefter can kick rocks with his Hundley is a 5th rd pick…nonsense.

daggolden
daggolden
February 24, 2015 4:15 am

There is noway I go CB or Safety in round one. Those positions are damn near as big a gamble as QB in round 1. The odds of getting a good DB in round one has to be very low. How many Alabama CBs have been drafted high. Then you have to wait to see if they even develop. Go FA with DBs and mid round picks on DBs. I would much rather draft on the oline, dline, lb or WR in round one. Just look around the NFL and most starting DBs aren’t 1st round picks. Of course there are some exceptions but 1st round DBs are very risky. Give me the best guard, lb or wr on the board at 20.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 9:08 am

This is some reporter who cover the Jets is saying about the Jets trade possibility for Foles and a plethora of high picks.

The Jets don’t have a QB. Marcus Mariota projects as a better NFL QB than Nick Foles by any metric you’d like to use, and my guess is if you quizzed 30 GMs on this subject, you’d get a 21-9 split in favor of Mariota.
Something people seem to forget about Foles: In 2013, Mike Vick beat him out for the starting job in Philly. Only after Vick got hurt did Foles get a chance to play. In year one of Chip Kelly’s scheme, he completed 64 percent of his passes with 27 TDs and just two INTs. His 9.1 yards per attempt were tops in the league!

Nick Foles, star?

After starting a full season’s worth of games (six in 2012 and 10 in 2013) he regressed in 2014: 59 percent completions, 13 TDs, 10 INTs. Yes, I know he didn’t have DeSean Jackson. Also, he’s been injured in each of his three years in the league: Hand injury, groin, concussion, and a broken collarbone. It’s easy to deliver punishing blows to a 6-foot-6 statue, especially an indecisive one, as was the case a lot last year when he dropped back in the pocket.

Just say no to Nick Foles

Back in early January, the stars began to align – Marcus Mariota was going to fall to the Jets. Many other mock drafts have had the same thing since, and though we’re still 10 weeks away from the draft, it’s become clear: If Chip Kelly wants Mariota, he’s got to trade up to get him, and the 6th spot makes the most sense.

But the Jets, under no circumstances, should pass on Mariota in a blockbuster deal with the Eagles. Three simple reasons:

Here’s the key point.

1) Nick Foles is an unrestricted free agent after this season. Marcus Mariota would be on a rookie deal and cheap for the next few years. This is the biggest miss by Mehta. Recently, teams–Seahawks, 49ers, Panthers, Bengals, Colts–have found success with rookie QBs because they’re cheap, and you can spend elsewhere. The common theme on four of those five playoffs teams? Defense. If Foles is a disaster, you don’t want to pay him, and the GM/coach are on the chopping block, quickly. If Foles manages to put up big numbers, you have to pay him like a franchise QB. Good luck building a contender paying Nick Foles over $10 million a year.

(He’s insinuating you can not build a contender with Foles at QB.)

More……

2) Yes, the Jets need players, but they have PLENTY OF SALARY CAP ROOM! Over $48 million. It’s actually a great year for free agents, especially the positions the Jets need – cornerback, OL, LB, safety. The draft is a crapshoot. And tell me – how did the Texans do in the draft the last few years with Maccagnan in the room? Having money to spend trumps drafting kids who may not be ready to contribute for a couple years.

(That’s key because some guys here believes draft picks are so valuable.)

This seems too easy: Spend lavishly in free agency (thanks for clearing the cap room, Idzik). Then draft Mariota 6th overall.

This is not good folks.

That mean other organizations know Nick Foles sucks ass too and those numbers he he racked up against losing teams don’t translate to leading a team deep into the playoffs.

He is being called an “indecisive statue” New York..the home of Eli Manning for god’s sake.

Damn.

This mean others outside of Philly know he’s “fold’s gold”.

Well, if Chip can’t get up high before the Jets pick he better get ready to coach the kid Hundley who has the athletic tools Chip covets into a premier NFL QB. If the QB whisperer can make Foles look respectable he could definitely make Hundley “Russellesque”.

Chip time is now!

Get your guy which is actually cheaper than signing an indecisive statue.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 9:17 am

That mean other organizations know Nick Foles sucks ass too ….

what other ORGANIZATION SAID THAT?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 9:44 am
Reply to  haveacigar

If the Jets beat writers see it then we can assume others must fell the same way and that’s why the Owner and the Coach here isn’t giving a ringing endorsement behind Nick Foles in hopes that worse teams would see him as an upgrade in their program. Nick Foles may just end up becoming a middle of the road journeyman.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 10:02 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

so its some unnamed writer, not the jets organization correct?
the coach hasn’t said one word for 2 months… about anything!

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
February 24, 2015 9:22 am

If Chip thinks Mariota is the guy and trades two number 1’s (in reality ONE number 1) and two number two’s — I’m all for it. We can always trade Foles for AT LEAST a 2nd round pick so in essence we get Mariota and only give up a first round pick and a 2nd round pick.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 9:26 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

This talk is such non-sense- mariotta is going top 5- they would have to give much more than that to get him- and you are also banking on Tennessee not wanting him.. If Tennessee believes he’s an IT guy all this talk is moot-

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 9:48 am
Reply to  haveacigar

The reality is that Mariota’s skill set is head and shoulders above Fole’s and it’s worth whatever it takes if he is what Chip thinks he is.

Take Luck away from Indy and they are a 2 win which shows the importance of a franchise QB.

Mariota takes the Eagles offense to the next level therefore lifting the team to the next level.

You right Mariota may cost more….Chip will do it.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 10:05 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

1 – If everyone in the league thing\ks so highly of Mariotta, then this entire discussion is moot as one of the top 2 teams will take such an awesome QB.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 10:15 am

There’s teams out there that still think Mariota is a Chip system guy and would rather get a guy with a more conventional pedigree. This is what we’re banking on because he would be a monster in our system. I’m so tired of seeing Foles like a deer in headlights running a read option…holding the ball and get smashed.

This offense is really unfair to Fole’s health.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 10:18 am

Does no one pay any attention to history??????????????????????/

There is absolutely no way the Eagles can get Mariotta.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

History

In 1998 the San Diego Chargers traded….wait for it…
2 firsts
1 second
Eric Metcalf
and one other player to move up…..

1 spot!!!! From 3 to 2 to ensure themselves of either Manning or Leaf

3 years ago the Redskins gave up….wait for it…
3 firsts
2 seconds to move up………

4 spots!!!! from 6 to 2 to ensure themselves of RGIII

The Eagles have to move up 18 spots!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guys on here saying it’d take Foles and a 1st and a 2nd or some BS.

It’d take Foles, McCoy, and probably 3 or 4 more firsts to move up from 20 to 2.

Enjoy Mariotta rotting on a team without a RB or 1st round picks for the next 4 years as his againg Oline falls apart around him….you all saw this year what happens when the Oline falls apart (oh wait, that didn’t matter)….

F-ing stupid.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 10:26 am

It depend on where Mariota falls.

The Jets would do it at 6 for Foles, Vinny Curry, 1st and 2nd this year and next year.

or

Foles and Fletcher Cox !st and 2nd this year and 1st next year.

Done.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 10:31 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

really? they would? interesting–
by the way he is not getting by number 5 at the skins pick-

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 11:45 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Holy shit.

So Songs would give up

2 firsts
2 seconds
Foles
Cox
(I’m still not sure that would do it….but we’ll entertain the thought)

For a college QB….????

Weaken the Dline (wich will expose the putrid defensive backfield even more), weaken the QB position, and throw away 2 firsts and 2 seconds for a guy who runs fast.

The Songs way!

And after 8 games when the Eagles are 2-6, Mariotta at 7tds and 12 ints and the D giving up 38/game will you still think that ransom worthwhile??

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
February 24, 2015 11:43 am

You do know it’s all relative right?

Falcons moved from 27 to 6 and didn’t give up much but a couple firsts and a couple 4ths.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 11:50 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

good point.

paulman
paulman
February 24, 2015 3:09 pm
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

And haven’t been the same Team Since trading up for WR Julio Jones
They were a Playoff Team knocking on the Door and have taken steps backwards since that Julio Jones Trade

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 4:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

Could that be because the coach sucked and the QB is overrated?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 4:22 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Didn’t they have that coach and qb at 13-3? Did they all of a sudden then suck?

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 4:33 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

No they drafted Julio Jones and he and he alone caused them to lose, he missed tackles at safety and had terrible game plans week after week.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 4:38 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Nope he did none of those things… He is not at fault one bit. Point is that an all in mentality very rarely wins in the nfl…. The most consistent teams use strategic FA, tend to trade down in the draft, get as many opportunities to ‘hit’ on a pick…. Seattle had bunches of picks and hit on a bunch of them, made a mistake on Harvin, rectified it quickly getting another pick or two.
I would suggest that the skins make up for the RG mistake by trading back..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 4:47 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Just like Brandon Graham hired Juan Castillo and signed Nnadi and DRC and Vince Young.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 5:08 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

No he didn’t hire those people…what’s your point? Teams that are slow and steady win the race…. You are apples and oranges it

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 5:47 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

My point is it’s stupid to point out a player and say from that day forward the organization went downhill. If Chip goes all in on Mariotta it means he wants him to QB his team, a piece to whatever puzzle he’s trying to put together. No more no less, but to use a popular term here I guess the sky is falling if Chip makes that move.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 6:00 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Take the player name out of it and say player x …it rarely works to make the dramatic FAsigning or trade…

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 10:38 am

It’s amazing that it’s ignored when scenarios are put forth showing how getting Mariota is possible.

shady is not even in the conversation here. We have real good situational defensive pieces on the line that could easily start for other teams. We package one of them with Foles and 4 high picks between this year and next year and Mariota is in midnight green…because we’re going nowhere with Foles, and our defense will never be a Jimmy Johnson defense under Billy Davis. We need a top QB to carry this team.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 11:52 am

Eagles aren’t going to be able to “sit” and hope Mariotta falls to 6. Not the way it works.

Especially with a lot of QB needy teams ahead of them (Cleveland, Washington, Tenny, NYJ, Chic, STl, NO, SF, Hou, KC)

If they want him, then they need to get the 2nd spot, and that will cost a fortune.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 12:10 pm

Seocondly, if they are planning on trading Foles, or cox, or whomever to the Jets, well, they’re going to have to get the contracts sorted out beforehand. Jets aren’t going to trade for players that could walk after one year….long terms deals have to be sorted first.

So the agents will be informed….players will be informed.

That creates a media shitshow.

Also, if you do set up that deal with the Jets, working out the deals for the compensation + working out all the new contract details and then Cleveland jumps above to #2 or something….

Well then you’ve got an entirely different level of shitshow happening with Foles, Cox (or whomever else) back on the team knowing said team just spend 2 months trying to trade them.

Doesn’t work.

Eagles want Mariotta, then its pick #2 and that will cost an incredible ransom.

Foles, 3 firsts and a couple seconds.

Ridiculous.

paulman
paulman
February 24, 2015 3:43 pm

Jets have no Interest in Fletcher Cox as they has a pretty good DL already
They would want QB Foles, a TE (Celek or Ertz) and then the (#20th) Pick
and 3rd Rd Pick (#84th) and then the 1st & 3rd Round Picks in 2016

The best Case Scenario is Mariota falls to #10 and the Eagles can make a Deal with Rams which again would include Foles and a TE or Guard Mathis and the Eagles 1st & 3rd Round Picks in 2015 but no Future Picks

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 24, 2015 12:22 pm

There’s always conversations and feelers between organizations which help teams gage the needs of respective teams they’re interested in trading with. We can’t look at what happened in prior deals as an absolute to say whether or not a trade is impossible. Nothing is impossible and some deals are easier to get done depending on what the team in position to make the trade need.

Chip and his guys are compiling that information with possible trade partners as we speak.

This move may have Chip and Howie coming from behind the curtain holding hands up in the air together when it’s all said and done, and don’t be surprised if the Eagles strike a deal that’s fair for both parties involved without selling the future.

Think about it guys.

How many more pro bowl years we’re going to get from Peters,Shady,Maclin,Herremans,Kelce,Mathis, etc., so the window to take the next step is now by plugging in a serious leader and threat at QB with a higher ceiling than Nick Foles.

We can’t just hope to get draft picks that takes time to develop and by now the stars on the team are retired or cut when the picks are finally ready to contribute.

This Eagles team as constructed is not that far off!

An immediate upgrade at quarterback, Safety, and Corner make the Eagles an immediate contender.

This can happen this offseason.

Keep in mind guys that Chip is not going to be here for another generation of players the way it’s currently constructed, so if we are looking for a long term commitment with Chip Kelly, well we better damn well get a QB he can grow with like Reid did with McNabb.

This treading water will eventually lead to a stale product like the Bengals right now with Daulton (The same guy many was comparing to Foles a few season back). And the Bengals can’t do it with a better defense than the Eagles. Why?

Quarterback.

I would rather take the chance with all the veteran pieces in place now by adding Mariota and secondary help that can easily be had with the surplus of money we’re holding, than talk about hiopes of the future that never come for us Eagles fans.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 1:17 pm

Everything SOngs says, the opposite is true:

SOngs says:

“We can’t look at what happened in prior deals as an absolute to say whether or not a trade is impossible.”

Except tahat every other team in the league is going to look at prior deals and use those as the starting point in trade negotions!!! SD gave up 2 firsts, a second and 2 players to move up 1 spot to #2 for a QB
Washington gave up 3 firsts and 2 seconds to move up 4 spots to #2 for a QB.

Eagles have to move up 18 spots to #2 and will have to give up a lot more thn that. Other teams WILL look at the history of former deals for that spot and demand accordingly.

Songs may “wish” and “hope” that history is irrelevant. But it isn’t. He may “hope” and “wish” that the eagles won’t be “selling the future” but history says they will have to.

Songs asks (correctly) how many years Peters, Herremans, Mathis etc have left….then at the same time hopes the Eagles trade away all the picks that will be needed to replace them….and for what exactly? For a college QB with about a 20% chance of working out…..and then only in 2 or 3 years.

And that’s the crux of it isn’t it? It takes 2 full seasons for a QB to develop. So when Mariotta starts hitting his stride in year 3…Peters, Mathis, Hwerremans gone….who exactly will be standing in front of him? A bunch of 4th and 5th rounders? That’ll work.

Songs says:
“This Eagles team as constructed is not that far off!”

WTF team is he watching? 2 new corners, a new safety, 2 new LBs and with Cole, Graham leaving, at least 2 new DL/OLB

Not to mention upgrades required at RG and depth all along the oline….AND to add to all that….Songs also wants a new QB. And we know how he feel;s about COoper.

So this “not that far off” team requires serious upgrades just about everywhere except RB! Hard to do when the Titans have your 1st and 2nd rounders for the next 3 years.

Songs says he hates treading water.

Songs told us how great M Vick was after he spent 10 years treading water.

I have no problem getting a QB. Want one? Then do what Indy did and tank the season.

Trade for Mariotta and Eagles will be a disaster…not treading water….be a disaster for the next decade.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 1:35 pm

A disaster for the next decade..lol..a little dramatic I think.
I guess Chip would stink as a coach and talent evaluator…as I said, I don’t trust Chip as a talent guy though, his personnel decisions are questionable..at best. But hey, Mariota is a squeaky clean guy..culture, coupled with the genius breeds winning… right? I guess only when Chip does what we believe is the right thing..lol. This whole thing is a joke.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 2:02 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I’m all for Chip getting his guy if he feels he can fix the defense through free agency but I tell what better not happen. A year after drafting that monumental stiff Marcus Smith II if they draft ole boy from UCLA Hundley somebody needs to catch an ass whoppin.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 2:06 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

‘getting his guy’– I’ve been hearing that since he got here- again he has done NOTHING to indicate Mariotta, Hundley or anyone is his guy- all he has done is win pretty consistently with a ‘not his guy’, said the ‘not his guy’ was the starter for 1000 years, said ‘I don’t need a mobile qb to run the system’– yet the crew out there say ‘get his guy’–I don’t get it– so because he was with him in Oregon he is ‘his guy’? really? interesting…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 2:34 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You know that 1,000 years statement was tongue and cheek. I will be glad when the draft is over just to put an end to all of this one way or the other.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 2:59 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Wasn’t Huff and Hart his guys? Even though they weren’t the best players available? His guy is Mariota and if he really wants his guy he’ll find away to get him. Why is that so hard for you to get? Do you honestly think Huff or Hart would’ve been drafted in Philly if Chip wasn’t here? That is my take on HIS guy.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 3:12 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I don’t know that…
But what makes you say that MM is his guy? Or maybe what do you mean by it? The connotation from the scrambling crew is that chip needs a runner, chip has said and also demonstrated that not to be true. Does he like Mariotta as a person? Sure….
You say he is definitely chips guy then you ‘if he really wants him’ … You can’t use an absolute in one sentence then if in the next

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 24, 2015 3:47 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

What I can say is Mariota is his guy damn the semantics he recruited coached and loves the kid. If he decides to sell the farm and get him oh well his choice, if not his choice.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 4:01 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

We shall see… Like I said I hope I’m wrong.. As a contrarian I hope he pulls a ditka goes and gets him….then you can all say I told you, then we watch the results and I can say I told you

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 2:04 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Maybe a decade is a bit over-dramatic….but again…..look at the 6- 7 years after SD traded up…look at 6-7 years after NO traded up for Williams….look at the 6-7 years after Washington after they traded up……:)

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 2:32 pm

Take a look at how those teams drafted and dealt in FA…that is the problem. Especially picking poor players in the mid to later rounds.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 24, 2015 2:38 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Well, I can’t look at who they were drafting, because they didn’t have any picks…..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 4:16 pm

They had picks in the later rounds and following years. Stop exagerating….oh with the doom and gloom.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
February 24, 2015 3:50 pm

Difference is, all those teams sucked before trading up so what does it matter?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 4:04 pm
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

Atlanta was 13-3 before drafting jones and selling the farm… Had a couple of decent years with him but the las two sucked

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 4:18 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Matt Ryan has not exactly been lighting it up.

paulman
paulman
February 24, 2015 4:08 pm
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

That is true and makes those Trade ups irrelevant
Look at Recent Good Teams (Playoffs Teams) that Traded Up and see what’s happened …
Eagles moved up for Brandon Graham for 2011 Draft ( 0 Playoff Wins)
Falcons moved up for WR Julio Jones (missed the Playoffs the last 2 Seasons)
Saints Moved back up into the 1st Round for RB Mark Ingram in 2011 (1 Playoff Win over the Eagles since then and 2 Years of missing the Playoffs)

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 4:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paul it’s just like we have said before… The teams that win the FA off season and the blockbuster trade for drafts usually don’t do well

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 4:25 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

The teams that have a franchise QB does though. We are not talking about trading up for Melvin Gordon or Kevin White. I do not know what Chip is going to do..none of us do, but if he decides that Mariota is a franchise QB and went after him I would understand.
If you want to fix the Eagles defense start with getting rid of Billy Davis. Ish rolls down hill.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 24, 2015 5:30 pm

Listening to Sal Palantonio on the Mike Misanelli show on 97.5 The Fan. He said while at the combine the word is that Chip Kelly and the Eagles definitely want Marcus Mariota and will do pretty much whatever it takes to get him. Also the Jets have no interest in Mariota and they and the raiders are possible trade partners . The main problem is that a lot of teams want corners and trading down to twenty is not ideal to get a good cb.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 24, 2015 7:31 pm

I’m starting to think he falls,to 20

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 8:01 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Yeah right

deserteagle
deserteagle
February 24, 2015 8:08 pm

This is all great fodder …What I’m thinking and harkening back to is great fodder as well…was Chip cunning and smart enough to set the trap to seize the “big cheese” while at the rose bowl? Was this whole Marriotta thing unfolding all along … What got gamble canned? What caused his anger at howie and was it manipulated by Chip from afar ,where his fingerprints weren’t apparent ? Sounds like OJ on a flight …the toxic firing of gamble allowed for the coupe…chip came back got the keys to the car pushing howie out of his way …he must have known howie would have Jeffrey’s ear if he wasn’t shunned aside ..now chip sacrifices his buddy in gamble ,and now his lethal deal with the devil looms…

deserteagle
deserteagle
February 24, 2015 8:12 pm

My take on going to get the boy wonder …I agree in principal ,it normally doesn’t work out ..but …and it’s a bigger butt than j-lo….this coach knows this kid..how many other calculated all-ins had that measurement?

paulman
paulman
February 24, 2015 8:14 pm

If you look at Today’s NFL Market for Players who have Trade Value for the Eagles based on Age,Salary and Talent… They only have a few Players
Nick Foles, Zac Ertz,Lane Johnson, Fletcher Cox & Mychal Kendricks
RBMcCoy is a great Player, but not at his Current Contract, Same with older players like Peters,Mathis or Trent Cole..

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
February 24, 2015 8:21 pm

If Chip wants this Lurie should Fire him on the spot.

People have short memories.

Heisman Trophy Winning QB, Goes on to play in pros with his College Coach.. Must be good for a SB right…The coach has to know the guy can make it in the bigs in his system Right??……………………………………………
…………ASK Danny Wuerfell and Steve Spurrier how that worked out. (Yes Wuerfell was not drafted by the skins but he was still brought there as a “Perfect Fit” that FAILED.

BTW has anyone considered that Chip has Coached Foles almost as long as he has Known Mariota with the exception that one is at the NFL level.

Chip is either playing a game with the draft boards OR he is terribly suited for the NFL at THIS Time. Aquire the best 53 possible not the best you can get after giving it all up for one guy that could get hurt in training camp and never play a snap.