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The Price Tag For Marcus Mariota

mariotaI wonder what a team is willing to give up in exchange for the second pick in the 2015 NFL draft. I don’t believe the Titans are serious about having Mariota as their franchise quarterback. So what other team is willing to invest the assets necessary to pull off a trade of this magnitude?

Are the Titans looking for draft picks “only” or would they be more interested in a package that upgraded their roster with young and proven NFL level talent?

I think of all the teams that have been rumored to be in the “hunt” for Mariota. The Browns, Rams, Redskins, Jets, Chargers, Bears and of course the Eagles have all been linked as a team that may go “all in” for Mariota.

Who has the most to offer? There is the value chart where it’s pretty obvious, it’s much easier to move up to pick #2 the closer you are with your own selection in the first round. There is also the “value” of players, as we saw in the off-season with some of the trades that transpired.

Is it best to look at the most recent trade with what the Redskins sent to the Rams to move up and get RG3? It certainly provides some value, in addition to the risk-reward concept of making such a trade.
So exactly how bad would it set the Eagles back to be “the team” who trades up for Mariota? Chip has made it clear that he won’t mortgage the future of the franchise for one player.

What is the definition of “mortgage” for Chip?

Would trading Kendricks be detrimental with the re-signing of Ryans? Would flipping Bradford to the Browns if there is any truth to the lingering interest that Cleveland still wants him upset any fan minus the few who purchased his jersey?

Fletcher Cox, on the last year of his contract, a fantastic player who is young and just coming into his own. Is it a no brainer that he receives a new contract, one would think Chip would have to be crazy not to extend him, but how much value does Chip have in defensive ends? Would Chip see former Oregon Duck Taylor Hart as a reasonable replacement, or see a guy that could rotate with Hart in the mid to late rounds of the upcoming draft?

The Titans have been linked to Leonard Williams out of USC is they pass on Mariota, Cox could fill they need and help bolster a terrible Titans line that was 31st against the run last year. They could also have need at the linebacker position, especially the inside, Kendricks is coming from the 3-4 and could make a smooth transition to the 3-4 the Titans run.

Maybe the Titans don’t want Bradford; they want another first one pick, as they can easily take Petty out of Baylor in round two. This would require getting that 19th from Cleveland.

If I’m Chip Kelly, and the final cost to get Mariota is my first round pick this season, Bradford, Kendricks, Cox, and a 2017 first round pick, is that really mortgaging the future? Would three firsts, Cox and Kendricks even be enough to make the move from pick 20 to pick 2, I’m not positive but it seems like it would be pretty close.

Not a single player of the three listed are signed past this season. Bradford would only be re-signed if able to remain healthy, leaving only Cox as a realistic player that many expect the Eagles to resign. Difficult to part with Cox, but finding a defensive end is a much easier task then finding a franchise quarterback.

I really shouldn’t be wasting my time and your time with this Mariota talk; I announced it was time to move on a few weeks back.

Let it go already I keep telling myself and others who ask if I feel there is any chance we still make the move for Mariota.

Trust me, I want the feeling to go away, I mentally and emotionally parted ways with this notion. The problem that I’m stuck with is that the draft has yet to unfold, which means there is still a chance, whatever fractional percent it may or may not be.

When there is a chance, hope will remain.

Jeff Kolsky

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deserteagle
deserteagle
April 6, 2015 10:08 pm

Jeff this is folly…let it go.lets say it did happen Whos playing in the holes that are obvious ,and now created with this trade ?

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 7, 2015 12:21 am

Jeff we just dont have enough…there are teams with more that’s ahead of us that can get the No#2 pick…

Unless Mariota falls, we aint getting him.

The smart thing for us to do now is pick up a Qb in the third round or fourth round…a Petty or Grayson. We can groom him…let him learn the system and if Bradford dont work out we got a young QB we are grooming

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 7, 2015 7:44 am

I just read something that the eagles and browns are working on a trade thst would send Johnny football here + draft picks for sam Bradford.. the eagles want a 1st and Johnny but the Browns only want to give up a 2nd and Jonny football…… interesting

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 7, 2015 8:51 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Lol…I saw that too. Not sure how reputable “chat sports” is, but I kinda want it to happen if only to see how Koolidiot spins it.

He just spent the last month rattling on about Kelly/Bradford and mental quickness, Kelly “watched the film and determined Bradford was the best choice…..” and all that other nonsense……so I’m down with the trade if only to see the speed with which he jumps off Bradford’s jock and into Manziels’

The rumour doesn’t make sense for a few reasons:

1 – Manziel is a clown

2 – Why would the Brows be “holding out?” If they acquire Bradford, then they’d obviously be dumping Manziel anyway, so what would be the holdup?

3 – If the Eagles truly interested in the Browns 1st round pick, then its obviously as ammo for Mariotta. If that’s the case, and it has to be because Manziel is a clown, then why bring Manziel on board at all? He wouldn’t be anything but a media distraction.

Then again, with this admin, who can predict anything….have at it.

Just think of a rookie Mariotta, can’t throw 15 yards Sanchez, and drunken Manziel as the Eagles QB trio.

How exciting would that be? Super-fantastic for sure.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 7, 2015 10:25 am

Hey Vinnie they said in the article that the Browns want to lock Bradford up for 4 more yrs but Bradford won’t do it cause of the money there talking he wants more,than there offering. I guess the eagles would then send manzeil and 19 to the Jets for 6 then get mariota

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 7, 2015 10:43 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I think it would take the #19, the 20 and Manziel to get to #6. Why would the Jets want Manziel? Why would anyone want Manziel?

A qwuick search after reading that article found nothing but “Browns about to move on….” pieces about manziel….so I can’t see them with any bargaining power over the Eagles.

The Bradford contract is interesting however. They want to cut his $$ in half, same at the Rams wanted to do.

I find it wierd that the Eagles haven’t (apparently) entered into negs with Bradford….at least there are no indications they have.

Its one of the reasons that gives this story a little bit of life I think. Eagles can’t just leave Bradford on a one year deal can they?

How does that work? How can you bring this guy in on one year contract?

IF he has a fantastic year, then there are 5 or 6 teams knocking at the door with $100 million deals. That’s stupid.

If he sucks, you’ve thrown away a 2nd (and no 1-15, no matter how many times you say it, the #2 is not coming back) and Foles for a 1 year rental. That’s stupid.

Its certainly why the Browns are a;;egedly demanding a contract re-neg for Bradford….if you’re going to trade for a guy and give up assets, you better protect yourself that he’ll be under your control for a couple years.

Why the Eagles haven’t talked to Bradford about an extension is weird.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 7, 2015 10:57 am

Vinnie I’ve been stated that until they give him an extension I think he is gonna be traded it makes no sense to have a 13million dollar qb that isn’t a 13million dollar qb.

paulman
paulman
April 7, 2015 2:14 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

The entire Bradford Acquisition makes no Sense from a Player, to his Contract to his Health… He’s missed significant portions in 3 of his 5 Seasons in the NFL.. Even when he was healthy, did he ever show much as anywhere close to a Franchise QB…
and I not saying this to puff up Foles, but all I can go by is what have you done over the last 2 Seasons for beyond that is ancient NFL History and Foles has played more Games and Performed at a higher level than Bradford has… If Bradford would have remained Healthy then who knows, the point is, he hasn’t and neither has Foles for that matter, so you exchange 1 banged up QB for a more expensive Banged up QB at 10 times the Pay plus a 2016 2nd Round Draft Pick just reaks of foolishness and a level of amateurism in the Front Office..
If Kelly wasn’t go to stand pat and Status Quo with the Offense and use his available resources to Rebuild the Defense, then blow the whole damn thing up and start with getting a Future Franchise QB and Foles,Bradford or Sanchez are not the Answer
Now Eagles will have 10 New Starters Total for 2015 Season which means about 6-7-8 Wins … Eagles will have close to 40% of New Players in the Starting Units with lots to learn together with 4-5 New Starters on both Offense and Defense.. A Recipe for Last Place finish in a more Competitive NFC East..
Playoffs, Are u Kidding Me… Playoffs… Really, Playoffs….

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 7, 2015 5:00 pm
Reply to  paulman

Get Paulmans dickriding flipflop in 6 months ready.

Youre pathetic.

paulman
paulman
April 7, 2015 6:38 pm
Reply to  paulman

F-You IJ.. Come Say that to my Face You Puss-Bag..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 7, 2015 9:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

Trollman don’t be a internet gangsta. Stick to bad mocks and sick riding flip flops it’s what your good at.

Oldphillyfan
Oldphillyfan
April 7, 2015 9:35 am

Teams just don’t tell reporters and bloggers their plans. Mere speculation. Most of it pure fabrication – see Mark Eckel.

tua14768
tua14768
April 7, 2015 10:00 am

I don’t think the Eagles are thinking quarterback. I think the Eagles will stay with Bradford and draft an offensive lineman. We have holes on the line that need to be addressed. If Fisher from Oregon is available, do not be surprised if Chip selects him. I think they try to move up in the second round to get a receiver. Third round will address safety/ cornerback.

This talk about quarterback seems to be a smoke screen to me.

paulman
paulman
April 7, 2015 2:22 pm

Browns have 2 Picks in the First Round (#12 & #19)

If Mariota is still on the Board after the Titans Selection (#2) then I think the
Browns offer both the #12 & #19 to the Redksins at #5 and Select Mariota

If Not, then I see the Browns Selecting a WR at #12 and then QB Bryce Petty or Brett Hundley at #19 to be groomed for a Season or two behind QB Josh McNown

paulman
paulman
April 7, 2015 3:52 pm

****NFL Rumors****
QB Sam Bradford of the Eagles to miss some Summer Camp to Perform
on ABC”s Hit Show, “Dancing with the Star’s”
Chip Kelly had “No Comment”, but Sources state that he was aware of Sam Bradford’s affinity and goals to Perform on the Show and that Kelly & Sam discussed for hours on end, all the Previous Performers that have been on the Show in recent Years…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
April 7, 2015 4:16 pm

Eagles sign DB EJ Biggers to one year contract, also a WR from San Diego…

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 7, 2015 4:42 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

In the words of Charles Barkley, EJ Biggers is turrible and somebody get a scouting report on this Bishop TuTu kid from San Diego.

andrew p
andrew p
April 7, 2015 5:14 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Big, do your homework on that WR, he happens to be last years special team player of the year, your replacing him over Brad Smith, your now putting the number one ST player on the number one ST, that’s a great move n great upgrade! You go Chip!

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 7, 2015 5:23 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Special teams player of the year? For who? Was he in the pro bowl? Depth signing I’m good with that but what did Brad Smith do that needed to be replaced?

andrew p
andrew p
April 7, 2015 5:30 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

He was the ST player for his team n ranked 9th overall in ST tackles, Brad Smith played ST, that’s what’s being replaced, to put a top ten ranked STer on the number one ranked ST is an upgrade, ST was a big help for us last year, it might not be a pretty move but neither was the two players we got last year who we’re big in turning out STs around, that safety from Seattle n the LB from the Texans

paulman
paulman
April 7, 2015 6:41 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Seyi Aijrotutu is 6-3 215lb and a very Physical Player who loves Blocking and Tackling and has lead the Chargers in Special Teams Tackles in 2013 & 2014 and will see some reps as the 5th WR..
A nice Pick-up, maybe he can be groomed more as a WR so he can take Riley Coopers Place for 2016..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 8, 2015 2:41 pm
Reply to  paulman

Special Teams saved our ass in a number of games…its always good to pick up good, solid special teams players! So much for that theory that the Eagles have spent too much money…we are still picking up quality players!

DCar
DCar
April 8, 2015 12:15 am
Reply to  andrew p

GREAT! GREAT! GREAT! SB here we come!

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
April 10, 2015 11:21 am
Reply to  Biglion821

“Bishop TuTu kid from San Diego”…….lmao

Stevo
Stevo
April 7, 2015 5:20 pm

Stepping stones. Bradford a step up from Foles.. if he can flip it for the guy he wants (MM) great… if not…. at least you dont have Foles anymore.

I really dont want to lose Cox but the ideas put forth kind of makes sense.

Not sure i care who plays QB… at least we got rid of the turnover machine i guess.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 8, 2015 2:44 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Exactly! Turning over a roster that didn’t win any playoff games anyway. Making sure you get an upgrade to replace what you lost. Adding more talent within the style and offensive and defensive philosophies that you believe in and are pursuing.
It beats what a lot of people are calling for…staying the course with mediocre players that have never won!

DCar
DCar
April 8, 2015 12:01 am

Jeff, just stop writing! Bradford, Cox, Kendricks, & 2 1st round picks, for a QB, who MAY work in this offense, in the NFL! Get your head out of your bunghole!

Mac Dolo
Mac Dolo
April 8, 2015 1:54 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

or trade them for more injured players

DCar
DCar
April 8, 2015 12:04 am

Johnny Football, is the biggest fraud, I’ve seen come out since Teblow! On top of that, he’s an alcoholic, drug using, immature, douchebag, that can’t play!!!! I want ZERO parts of him! If there was a lower number than ZERO, I say that!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
April 8, 2015 8:22 am

Great story on NJ.com by Elliot Schorr Parks discussing how the Eagles pro shops are not selling Sam Bradford jerseys, they literally have none in stock and do not have any word when they will receive any. Bradford jerseys can be bought on line, however, they are only available in mens Large, no other sizes, they are also not available in kids or women’s sizes. However, Demarco Murray and Byron Maxwell jerseys are in full supply in every size for men, women, and children. Interesting!

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 8, 2015 1:58 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Follow the money!

mhenski
mhenski
April 8, 2015 3:02 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Elliot Schorr Park is an idiot troll. please. kiko alonso jerseys arent there either. does that mean he is being traded too?

sad but true we bought a bum ass scrub cripple qb

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
April 8, 2015 3:52 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Kiko Alonso jerseys are there for men, women and children in every size. Bradford jerseys are not. The idiot troll is right, you’re not.

mhenski
mhenski
April 8, 2015 9:39 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Nah call the pro shop tomorrow not there.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 8, 2015 8:04 pm
Reply to  mhenski

he’s better than that bum ass scrub cripple qb that we got rid of

I’m happy

who knows…we may be making another move…

if we keep him…we’ve improved if we get Mariota (I dont think we will)
we’ve improved the Qb position and that’s the key to us winning anything.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 8, 2015 8:45 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Please explain this “better” claim you make 1-16. Better how putz??

And don’t go running to Chip Kelly like you normally do 1-16. You make the statement, now own it. Explain how you know he’s better?

Win %? (no)
Total wins? (no)
W/L ratio? (no)
Comp % (no)
TD % (no)
Int %? (no)
Sack %? (no)
Yrds/att? (no)
Yrds/game? (no)
Yrds/catch? (no)
Rushing yards? (no)
Rushing tds? (no)
% of deep throws? (no)
Comp % on deep throws? (no)
4th Q comebacks? (no)
Game winning drives? (no)
Qb rating? (no)
QBR (no)
Less fumbles? (no)
record in games decided by less than 7 pts? (no)
Passing on 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th down??? (no)
Second half passing? (no)
Red zone passing? (no)
Trailing with less than 4 mins to go? (no) (Bradford with 11 ints in these situations…Foles? 0)

Please explain how he’s better 1-16.

You keep making the same statement over and over like a broken record….sorry, you’re too young to know what that is….like a parrot then.

But you can’t back it up. There isn’t one…not one rating or area where Bradford is better than Foles.

NOT FUCKING ONE.

Ok, there is one….Bradford has been marginally better than Foles on 3rd and 10+ yrds over his career….that’s the outlier.

But that’s it. Its freekin’ unbelievable actually. Even I was actually surprised by what I saw.

You can’t find one metric where Bradford is higher than Foles.

So have at it 1-16. Explain.

Explain the “improvement” the Eagles have made at the position. And remember, no running back to Kelly.

BTW – I’d love to compare their playoff performances, but in 5 years, Bradford’s never been in a playoff game.

zilents44
zilents44
April 8, 2015 3:00 pm

The main thing we will see with offense with the two down hill runners is…no more 2 and 14 and 3 and 12 all the time….mccoy made a living trying to break big runs instead of getting the 3 or 4yds just by steaming ahead…that will keep our offense on the field longer and keep our defense off the field, which will lead to a fresher defense….that’s the main reason chip got rid of mccoy other then his crazy contract….I believe in what chip is doing…yeah he’s a lying littlle chubby bastard, but fuck it WE AINT WON SHIT. so we don’t have shit to lose…..thinking that we as fans could do better then what he did this off season is just stupid…..we tried hard for the best safety on the market to pair with the second best corner in the market…..Chip did fine with off season moves…..the only thing is keeping sam healthy….In this offense he will explode

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 8, 2015 9:22 pm

Zillents ..exactly and the mixture will be more runs as now they’ll all be positive,in nature ..the one unmentionable is the offensive line…if it’s sam I am ,he must be protected ,also Murray ran behind the dallas offensive line ,Id contend with holes now and possibly more ,the coach GM can’t look past the trees …they must, to be optimal ,have a strong offensive ground game and ,allow sam I am ,milliseconds to decipher …the whole kit and caboodle ,blows up into marks lap ..for a game or two ,that’s a winnable formula ,but beyond that ,the window slams shut ..I do like the all in approach ,and let’s not be delusional ,this is an all in blow it up and win now approach.Results ,a competent draft ,and draft maneuverability ,and yes Kool ,fiscal restraint (in not reaching for guys )$$ spending ,when you didn’t have to..And I still contends deal is brewing it’s the only thing I have to hold onto ,because if it’s Sam I am running out of the inflatable eagle ,and not Mark sanchez out of the deflating eagle ,I’m ok but if it is sam I am…I suggest we all pray ..for good health .hes a Picasso ,he’s that fragile…

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 8, 2015 9:38 pm

Vinnie ,you know I had a feel for Nick ,from U of A ,neither stats 1-16 matters ,and Kool knows as much about his skillset (I personally use that ,to illicit a tempestuous petulance ) responder..Chip wanted his ass gone ..that don’t make it right , but that’s a fact jack..let’s see the end game in his plan ,and then it may add up ,or at least make some sense.Think about all those metrics you listed and we added 11 plus million and a 2nd next year ? But yeah ,it makes perfect sense ..played to baby I’m amazed …

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 8, 2015 11:52 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Oh I get that Kelly made the call, but like the call to re-up Shitty Sanchez for more $$, I think it was the wrong call. Especially with the 2nd and the 11 mill.

Who knows, perhaps he’s planning to unload Bradford to move up for Mariotta…..that makes a lot more sense than the lateral move (at best) from Foles to Bradford and then throwing in a 2nd because Fisher whispered how much he admired the Oregon Ducks into Kelly’s ear.

I’m just calling out 1-16 an his parrot statements. He keeps saying Bradford is better, yet offers no explanation or reasons why….other than falling back on the tired “Kelly wanted…..”

He keeps making the statements, just asking him to back them up.

Because when he tries, I’ll be able to change his name to 1-17!

skayne
skayne
April 9, 2015 1:05 am

Of course Foles Gold has better numbers than Bradford, he’s had significantly better personnel his entire career. But his better numbers come almost entirely from a fluke season in 2013 that I said was a mirage that entire season.

Kelly’s offense creates loads of easy completions at or behind the line of scrimmage out to ten yards from scrimmage. These throws pump up the completion percentage while giving the receivers the potential to gain chunks of yards after the catch. The problem is you give credit to Foles for these throws when they are a function of Kelly’s offensive design. The throws that set qbs apart are the intermediate(10-20 yds) and deep throws(20+) downfield. Foles can’t consistently make accurate throws in these ranges, even when Kelly is scheming guys WIDE OPEN. I’ve said this about Foles Gold his entire career, but you’re blinded by box score numbers, except for when it doesn’t suit you. An unsustainable 51% of Foles passing yards came after the catch in 2013. With a year of study, teams knew that you first had to take away the easy throws from the offense. That doesn’t matter, because a good qb will burn teams downfield when they squat on the underneath stuff. Foles can’t, which is why Kelly talked about getting the ball on open receivers.

Sam Bradford has a better arm and better accuracy on those throws. He has way more talent. The problems with the deal is they should have made him take a paycut and shouldn’t have given up any picks in the trade. It’s hard to believe he’ll be healthy here because of sports science. But if he’s healthy, he’ll be way better than Foles.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 2:18 am
Reply to  skayne

Excellent analysis, Skayne…the eye in the sky never lies…Nick Foles missed wide open receivers consistently. Remember the article from Cian Fahey “Nick Foles Not the Answer For Eagles Offense, Chip Kelly must find QB in 2015″…in this detailed article that provided an objective look at Nick Foles…the author said:

“This is the issue with Foles, though. When he wasn’t in a perfect situation, he couldn’t elevate his teammates. He simply misses too many throws downfield, regardless of who he was playing with. That is the biggest reason why Kelly needs to move on from him.”

What did Chip Kelly say?
“Just looking at where we are and what we need to do, we’ve got guys open and we didn’t put the ball on them in certain situations,” Kelly said.

Vinniedaloser…its as simple as that…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 8:27 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Good to see you defaulted once again to Chip Kelly…and some guy named Fahey and Skaynt…..I knew you couldn’t come up with an original thought yourself.

Regurgitate the thoughts of others.

Make a statement…get called on it…and bail to Kelly once again.

BTW – take that Fahey quote and be prepared to insert “Bradford” in there. Guy through the 2nd highest %age of short passes over the past 5 years, and still hasn’t cracked 60%.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 8:34 am
Reply to  skayne

Be careful Skayne, or you might enter the same zone 1-17 is in, wrong with every statement.

Let me explain:

Oh…its as simple as that is it?

“Of course Foles Gold has better numbers than Bradford, he’s had significantly better personnel his entire career.”

If so, then why didn’t Vick, Barkley or Sanchez have significantly better numbers than Bradford with said same personnel and said same system?

“Kelly’s offense creates loads of easy completions at or behind the line of scrimmage out to ten yards from scrimmage.”

Over the past 5 years Bradford should be off the charts completion wise….as he has thrown the 2nd MOST SHORT PASSES IN THE LEAGUE after Alex Smith. Bradford has the lowest %age of “deep” throws of any QB in the league over the past 5 years. All the guy does is check down.

“The throws that set qbs apart are the intermediate(10-20 yds) and deep throws(20+) downfield”

Again, Bradford had the lowest %age of 20+ yrd throws in the entire leage for the past 5 years….and…..in the odd time he actually did pull the trigger on said throws (not very much) he had a terrible success rate, also ranking last in the league.

“Foles can’t consistently make accurate throws in these range”
1 – Bradford rarely attempts these throws (2nd lowest in league) and when he does isn’t successful (last in league)

“Sam Bradford has a better arm and better accuracy on those throws.”
How, by any measure, can LAST IN THE LEAGUE OVER THE PAST 5 YEARS be “better accuracy”??????????

So be careful what you wish for.

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 12:30 am

Why is this so hard for you vinnie? Did anyone offer a #1 for Foles? Anyone at all? We traded a guy who was making NOTHING this year for a guy who is making lots…. And we threw in a second rounder as well. PLUS… we can flip that same guy for a #1 right now. Why is that? Bradford was drafted in round 1.. Foles in round 3. No offense but what the hell man? He led the league in turnovers. This is the same problem you had with Vick. Let it go…. Are u smarter than 32 NFL teams? Sheesh….

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 8:28 am
Reply to  Stevo

And the only team offering a 1st (allegedly) for Bradford was the Browns.

Great. The Eagles are now lumped in with the Browns as the only 2 teams persuing Bradford.

What a vote of confidence there. Eagles ansd browns wanting Bradford….the rest of the league? Crickets…and lets toss in a 2 just to boot.

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 9:58 am

and what was offered for Foles? This is what I am saying. The point is…. Bradford gets a 1. What does Foles get? And what about the fact that Foles NEW team has said they still plan to nab a QB. That Foles doesnt change their plan at all. Wow. What a vote of confidence for their new “Franchise QB”. Vinnie…. how long? How long will you wear sack cloth and ash’s to honor your king?

The scouts have said about Foles….. as long as everything around him is perfect … the Oline is completely healthy and he has weapons EVERYWHERE… then he does just fine. Take away a WR.. or a Olineman… and he is just not that good.

Let it go Vinn. Your poster boy is gone.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 10:20 am
Reply to  Stevo

This has nothing to do with Foles, and everything to do with the ridiculous gushing Koolidiot and others are doing over Bradford.

All I am asking is where does that come from?

I could care less what anyone thinks of Foles…the issue is why people think Bradford is an upgrade, when for 5 years, he hasn’t been.

As for what the Rams saying they’re going to draft a QB….what does that mean?

It means the Rams fleeced the Eagles in the trade, getting Foles and then being able to use an extra 2 (I understand its 2016 but Rams could use one now, knowing they get it back following year) on a QB.

So they get a starter and a backup for a gimp who has been less effective than the player we traded. Good times!

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 10:44 am

No Vinnie…. you fail to see the big picture. It has EVERYTHING to do with Foles. It means….. Chip threw in a 2 to move on from a QB that will never be elite in this league. It means… your never ending love for Foles is based on an idea…. a dream… of what you WISH he was. It ,means all your comparisons to Tom Brady and Payton Manning were completely bonkers.

The point is….. Bradford has more upside. It means that Bradford is a better qb than Foles and if they can land MM instead…. even better. (im not even sure I want MM really)

The same way you obsessed over Vick…. you obsess over Foles. Both are gone. Both turnover machines. What backup QB will you obsess over now? .

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 11:36 am
Reply to  Stevo

I’m the one dreaming?

Its you and 1-17 that keeps bringing up this mysterious Sam Bradford “upside”.

Where does that come from?? His 18-30 record? 58% comp %? Fear and inability to throw deep? Low TD %?

Where exactly do the words “upside” and “potential” come from.

And I’m not even talking about his twice rebuilt knee or shoulder surgery.

The reality is he’s shown absolutely nothing for 5 years. So where does this belief in Bradford’s “upside”, “potential” etc come from??

Look, I understand those words in 2010….but not in 2014.

I could care less that you or others don’t like Foles….that’s fine, but the idea that this 3 tims surgically rebuilt Sam Bradford is “better” is nothing but whimsical dreaming.

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 12:26 pm

Ok Mr. Here and now….

The last we had seen of these two guys….

2014- Nick Foles- 8 games played- 13 Td’s 13 turnovers QBR= 81
2013- Sam Brad..- 7 games played- 14- Td’s 6 turnovers QBR= 90

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 12:31 pm

And the biggest part that you just dont want to hear about….. Chip Kelly and his O style has more to offer stats wise. I understand… you dont like the move. I get it…. you had a lot invested in Foles… but it’s not like you were not warned. I mean…. how many times do we need to go through all this? You invested in Kolb and look where that led… the guy isnt even in the league anymore. And then you bet your word (not that it meant much anyway… well knew/know how good your word is) … that you would go away if Vick was the starter again. I mean… how long will you continue these things?

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 3:41 pm

Yes you are dreaming, Vinniedafool

You’ve been in a dream world about Foles for the last few seasons

Your ‘stats’ never encompass all of the factors involved…thus your premises simply doesn’t match your conclusions

Your findings are illogical. So you rattle off Sam Bradford’s ‘stats’:

“His 18-30 record? 58% comp %? Fear and inability to throw deep? Low TD %?

Ok…stat man…why does he have more value around the league than Nick Foles?

Is it because teams recognize that the level of talent that Bradford has played with is significantly less than what Foles has played with. Has Foles had better receivers, a better offensive line…who has played tougher defenses…

Vinniedafool your simpleton approach to assessing QB’s is simply pathetic and useless.

Your bewildered and confused

You put all of your chips in with Nick Foles and lost….big time

You went to the used car lot and bought a lemon…Nick Foles

You invested in a worthless stock-Nick Foles- and lost all of your savings

Your approach will cause you to lose again, and again…

Vinnidaloser

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 4:03 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Its not just that Stevo….

Where Bradford and Foles were drafted is not why a team would give up nothing for Foles and still give a #1 up for Bradford

Bradford is a better player than Foles

Teams have watched film on both players…they see Foles with time in the pocket yet missing WIDE open receivers…consistently.

They see Bradford not having the same time in the pocket, not having wide open receivers…yet completing passes in tougher situations compared to Foles.
This is the assessment Chip Kelly has made and why he believes Bradford will do better.
I dont believe the Eagles will have enough to get Mariota…I think Chip is trying…but I dont think he can pull it off…
Bradford is the fall back option that Kelly believes is much better than Foles…Its clear that Bradford’s higher value gives him a better shot at Mariota than Foles…

Vinniedaloser is simply delusional…

He just doesn’t get it…

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 1:45 am

LMAO @Vinniedaloser AKA Statman!

“Why is this so hard for you vinnie?”

Vinnie had dreams and visions of Nick Foles leading this team to a Super Bowl. Nick Foles was Vinnie’s dream QB…his hero…he has a poster of Foles hanging over his bed, an autographed Nick Foles jersey, some Nick Foles socks..and who knows what else.

How else do you explain his ability to rattle off Nick Foles stats..LOL!!
Unfortunately, what Vinniedaloser never understands is that those stats are meaningless.
We all concede that Nick Foles is a nice guy, he fit so well with the ‘culture’-Chip Kelly is trying to establish, he is well liked…he’s an All-American kid…but his problem is simple.

He’s not a franchise QB…he sucks!

Chip Kelly saw the kid in OTA’s, Training Camps, Practices, and Regular season games. He knows the plays that he called and knew where Foles was supposed to go with the ball in this Quarterback friendly offense.

And he still got rid of him!

The Eagles were shopping him around the league and NO ONE felt he was worth much…there was no buzz of excitement for Nick Foles from anywhere…so when we did the deal…it was us who had to throw in a high draft pick for Bradford…rather than the Rams giving us more…

The Rams knew like everyone in the league knew…Foles has very little value….so it wasn’t just Chip Kelly…the whole league thinks that Foles is a below average QB…he stinks

Vinniedaloser…your ass out and everyone knows it…

You are in such delusional denial Vinnie…as you keep churning out those meaningless ‘stats’ that you have always spouted. No one

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 8:52 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Kelly also saw Sanchez through training camps, practices, reg season games. He saw what everyone in the universe saw. He saw Sanchez who cannot throw more than 15 yards lest it be a floater straight up the middle that gets his WR killed or sails gently into the arm of a defender.

Kelly saw this over and over, and yet re-signed the guy to a raise.

So right now I could care less what Chip Kelly thinks when he watches film, because in the Sanchez case, he couldn’t be more wrong.

Good to see you bailing to Kelly again though.

1-17.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 3:22 pm

Once again, Vinniedaloser…you are all confused, baffled, and mixed up!

Sanchez is a backup…not the franchise QB

Sanchez has only been in one training camp with Kelly

Chip Kelly has had a lot more exposure to Nick Foles who you wanted the Eagles to make a long term commitment too.

Sanchez ‘stats’ are just as good as Foles ‘stats’ last year!

Vinniedafool, your problem is that your “facts” always leads to illogical conclusions. Here is a simple example of your thought process: Fact: The sky is blue, Fact: grass is green. Therefore all cars are yellow!

Your ‘facts’ and ‘stats’ never lead to the right conclusions, Vinniedaloser…so you miss on every call

Your always blow the big one…you strike out in every key situation

This is why your Vinniedaloser

daggolden
daggolden
April 9, 2015 1:55 am

The fact that there has been no word on restructuring of Bradfords contract to free up money tells me that the Eagles are trying to move him. I cant imagine the Eagles first of all not having Bradforrd under contract for more than 1 year and having some cap relief. I suspect that if they cant move him then after the draft they will restructure his contract to a friendlier 3 year deal.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 9, 2015 11:00 am
Reply to  daggolden

They don’t have to do anything with Bradfords contract….they can afford it. Its the biggest overplay by conspiracy theorist.

Eagles are just fine cap wise. No need to do anything with Bradford until he starts a real game.

It would be atrocious management if they did that before the draft.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 4:17 pm
Reply to  daggolden

daggolden he only has a year left on his contract…

We can afford it for a year…

If I’m Bradford and I’ve already made millions why not do what Flacco and what Maclin did…bet on myself?

Why should Bradford be so ready to sign or restructure the contract?

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 9, 2015 9:19 am

Dag ..couldn’t agree more ..I contend,that from day one of the deal,an implied wink wink was set in motion between the Rams Eagles and Browns ..however ,one caveat ..The deal would make more sense ,had the Eagles been able to renegotiate a more palatable deal with sam I am …On the surface ,he’d be much more attractive ala cap friendlier$ 8-9 million number …The Rams themeselves ,we’re trying in vain ,to renegotiate his deal.I feel ,there is another team in the mix ,perhaps washington at 5 ..they covet picks ,and the Browns as we know have 12 and 19 ..just thinking…..Could cleveland get buyers remorse ,and flip ..leaving chip holding the gimp …after the music stops ?

paulman
paulman
April 9, 2015 10:47 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Another Wildcard Team in this Drama are the New Orleans Saints who seem to be prepared to move forward from the Drew Brees Era and also have
2 First Round Picks (#13 & #31)
Saints Ownership is about to move from the Aging Tom Benson to his Kids who word is they want a lower Team Payroll and that Brees has peaked and is starting his slide down as he enters the twilight of his Career..
Would Brees end up in St Louis and Bradford to the Cleveland Browns with Foles going to the Saints ending up with a boat load of Picks with the Eagles Selecting Mariota

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 9, 2015 11:30 am

Word just passed taht cleveland is looking to use 12 and 19 to move on Mariotta The plot thicken chip…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 11:38 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Again…great to know that Eagles and Browns were the ones fighting over Bradford and now Mariotta. Great company to be associated with.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 9, 2015 11:46 am

Can you stop crying and moaning Vinnie…Foles is gone….you were wrong…Foles bashers werent right either…he didnt fit its over.

Stop pissing and moaning about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 12:10 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

All I am doing is asking why 1-17 and now Stevo are so excited about Bradford.

Other than vague, completely unsubstantiated claims of “upside” and “potential” “more accurate” “bigger arm” all of which have either been proven as completely false, or else based on pure speculation…..

Why are these guys stuck in 2010??

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 12:41 pm

Im not excited about Bradford. I dont know where you read that. I was just less excited about Foles.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 2:36 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Exactly. Its a lateral move.

A lateral move that costs a 2nd and $11 million is dumb.

Stevo
Stevo
April 9, 2015 3:44 pm

SMH….. no vinnie its not… but if that helps the coping process… you can roll with that.

The rest of us see that Foles was a good player. A great teammate even. However…. his ceiling was reached…. he had a great year…. until it became clear to all how to stop him. Slow foot…slow reads… too many turnovers.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 3:54 pm

Wrong again Vinniedaloser

Your ‘facts’ simply dont match your conclusions

They never have and never will

Foles value around the league is extremely low..they shopped him around and found just a few teams that were interested at all and all wanted him for what he really was worth…dirt cheap!

You cant fool teams in the NFL with ‘stats’…they can all look at film of Nick Foles and tell you…he is an inaccurate, inconsistent, slow and immobile QB.

A back up at best!

Its a good move as a gamble because Bradford is a more talented QB

Now with reports that the Eagles may trade Bradford its still a good move because Bradford has far more trade value than Nick Foles had….we all know that there was a 1st round pick offered for Bradford…

Not a single team in the league would give you a 3rd rounder for Nick Foles….Nick Foles is viewed as a backup by most teams

So sticking with Foles and giving him a massive, Kaepernick like contract would have been a ridiculous move that would have saddled us with a bum, franchise QB.

Say what you want about Chip Kelly…he’s not that dumb!

Vinniedaloser the only thing that’s dumb is your whining about Nick Foles

That’s really dumb!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 4:06 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Vinnie constructs all kinds of stuff in his imaginary, fantasy football world where Foles is the best QB the Eagles ever had..

He just cant face reality

Foles stinks…

paulman
paulman
April 9, 2015 11:45 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Browns #12 & #19 to the Redskins for their # 5th Pick is a no-brainer deal for both Clubs… Redskins acquire 2 Very Good Players in the Top 20 and the Browns get their QB of the Future…

If the Browns really want Mariota, they know they have to jump ahead of
the Jets at # 6 to do so…

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 9, 2015 11:32 am

Mayock and NFL network reporting Mariotta is now ranked ahead of winston…on there mocks …it’s a horse race to the wire and chips fat ass is on the nag …sam I am

paulman
paulman
April 9, 2015 11:40 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Word on the Streets is that the NFL Network wants to ratchet up the Drama for Draft Night since it’s been pretty status quo since the Combine..
Not one other Draft Geek anywhere, has moved Mariota up ahead of Winston.. So unless there is some dirt on Winston or some new scandal that he’s involved in, he will go #1 to the TB Bucs
Mariota is going to need some time to adjust to the NFL

mhenski
mhenski
April 9, 2015 12:24 pm

Jesus Christ sam Bradford fuckin stinks

Staaaaaaaahp it

paulman
paulman
April 9, 2015 3:37 pm

****Sam Bradford has been Reported to be Missing****
Details are Sketchy, but Bradford was last seen looking at Kevin Love’s Home, which is up for Sale, in a Cleveland,Oh Suburb… More Details at 11pm….

(Watch John Hart come on here tomorrow saying he and Sources broke this very same Story…Jeez)

mhenski
mhenski
April 9, 2015 3:57 pm

HOLY SHIT VINNIE. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS

YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO CONVINCE THIS RETARD

JUST STOP

THE ONLY PERSON THAT GIVES KOOL AN OUTLET TO SPEAK IS YOU STOP PLEASE.

GUYS A FUCKING IDIOT , EVERYONE KNOWS IT, WHY U ARGUING WITH AN IDIOT.

ITS ENOUGH

FOLES IS GONE

BRADFORD BLOWS

KOOL HAS DOWNS

THE END

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 4:12 pm
Reply to  mhenski

mhenski…aka spellchecker…aka Mr multiple profile..aka Dumbass

You are the one no one pays any attention to at all

You have to many profiles to keep up with…in addition to being a dumbass

Foles is gone and you were wrong too

All of you Foles slurpers should just own up to the reality…

You were all dead wrong

Vinniedaloser, Havablunt, m ‘multiple profile’ henski …all of you were dead wrong and refuse to come clean…man-up and admit it

Lame asses…smh

OldSchool
OldSchool
April 9, 2015 4:34 pm

What did Foles do to warrant this type of rage?

Who cares what other teams around the league think of him? Who cares if he ever plays another game in the NFL?

When the guy played for the Eagles he won football games. He went to the pro bowl and was the pro bowl MVP. He gave the city someone to be proud of. Even if it was for just one season.

I can’t understand why any Eagles fan would want to trash him.

I say, thanks Nick, for rescuing our 2013 season after Vick went down and giving us some great memories. Good luck down the line!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 4:42 pm
Reply to  OldSchool

Old School…Nick was a nice guy

He was a flash in the pan..we beat some bad teams with him, we didnt win any playoff games with him

The rage on this forum has been directed at me for a long time for saying the truth…Nick Foles is NOT a franchise QB.

He’s a nice guy, a good teammate, good mannered kid…and all that

He cant play on a level to take a team to a championship

He’s not good enough

This is not ‘trashing’ him…its citing the facts…we are speaking in relative sports terms here..I wish no ill-will on Nick…but he had to go…we had to get rid of him to have a chance at getting better!

The reality is that true Eagles fans want a championship..we have plenty of non-championship “good memories’…

We want to win…and getting rid of Nick Foles is a step in the right direction

mhenski
mhenski
April 9, 2015 5:36 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Old school he hates Foles because he ended his hero mike Vicks career. Kool preached for years how great Vick was and everyone made fun of him.

Once nick took over he hated him because he took over for his hero and had hated him since. Even after all the wins and legendary run that year even after he turned the season around and led the Eagles to the go ahead score against the saints in the playoffs he hated him. It was his fault the special teams and d blew the game against the saints…

Kool would’ve loved this move regardless of the qb we got. It could’ve been bradford or his hero taj Boyd or his hero Johnny drunk or it could’ve been Tim couch out of retirement. Doesn’t matter who to Kool it would’ve been better than foles because he hates him.

He openly begged for Sanchez and claimed Sanchez would dominate with kelly he begged for Manziel and taj Boyd ( who didn’t even make an NFL practice squad)

It’s personal for him he missed Vick.

I give zero fucks about nick and think he certainly got exposed last year but sam fuckin bradford is no upgrade.

At the end of the day the trade was 4 games or less of bradford + 8+ games of Sanchez for foles and a 2nd rounder and this idiot is thrilled…

mhenski
mhenski
April 9, 2015 5:37 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

The idiot just repeats himSelf everyday. Foles foles foles foles foles. He is gone and we got a new scrub. Just stfu. Nobody but Vinnie cares

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 10:46 pm
Reply to  mhenski

He has to repeat it over and over.

He’s 1-0 on Foles statements, and 0-17 on everything else.

So he sticks to his one “triumph” as its all he’s got.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 11:05 pm

Yeah, yeah…whatever!

Stat after stat that your quoted as ‘facts’ with your self-proclamation of being ‘right’

You were never Vinniedaloser…a bunch of stats that leaves you with nothing at all

A bunch of empty premises with a wrong conclusion

Here is Vinniedaloser’s ‘facts’

Roses are red,

the sky is blue

Philadelphia is a city

NFL is a football league

Horses have four legs

therefore Nick Foles is a franchise QB!

Vinniedaloser then proclaims…I got 5 things right and only 1 thing wrong…LMAO

Vinnie has nothing…he’s got nothing at all

invinoveritus
invinoveritus
April 10, 2015 3:00 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

I often wonder how are nation could be in such rapid decline and then I read a comment like this –

Stat after stat that your quoted as ‘facts’

clearly you are challenged so here is some help (some people do not even realize how much help they need)

stat – short for statistic (noun) – definition:

A numerical piece of information. a numerical FACT or datum, an item of FACTUAL information derived from measurement or research

HOW DARE THAT MAN PROVIDE STAT AFTER STAT AND QUOTE THEM AS FACTS! Give him credit , he must have gotten the word ‘stat’ right on his middle school vocabulary tests!

Now what is a fact – A fact is something that has really occurred. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is, whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience. Facts are verified by measurement. So it would seem clear that quoting already measured statistics would in fact qualify that information to be considered FACTS.

From an intellectual standpoint (I am small college math professor) I have no interest in the Foles or Bradford argument, as Foles is no longer with the team and I am not interested in arguing about who the QB will be in March – but in terms of who is winning the ‘argument’ from an academic perspective, the Canadian is in fact using verifiable, measurable statistics and facts to support his arguments, and you on the other hand resort to name calling, conjecture and non-supported opinion (and honestly, you come across as completely ignorant, so I don’t know why you think you can sway anyone to your opinion) – and offer very little in the way of facts (Foles has not won a playoff game is one of the very few facts you offer)

Frankly I find your ignorance embarrassing. Kind of like watching people on the Jerry Springer Show – you have to wonder if they are for real, if they have no shame or are the really that ignorant – but I honestly don’t think you know how to stop yourself.

I am not without pity – I have a recommendation – I used to teach an Introduction to Logic class – you should go to your local adult school or Community College and give it (A basic Logic class, maybe a basic public speaking or writing class where you have to organize your thoughts and support them WITH FACTS- nothing to deep – I don’t want you to hurt yourself) a try, maybe then you will realize how and why you come across as a complete dolt.

Next time you take on a Canadian in anything other then hockey, moose hunting, flannel shirt wearing or Molsen drinking, try not to embarrass us – for God’s sake you are making us all (Americans) look bad!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 10, 2015 8:50 am
Reply to  invinoveritus

Numbers are hard!

Well thanks for that. I like the #s. They’re all readily available, and I do believe the “splits” information is very, very revealing about a QBs’s ability/performance.

Stats and metrics seem to me to be a much more intelligent way to look at/compare players rather than shouting “stronger arm”, “mentally slow” and other such unsubstantiated nonsense over and over to hope it sticks.

Of course they do not tell the entire story, factors like Oline play, ability of surrounding talent, strength of schedule, etc.

But those things tend to “even out” in time. Over 5 years in the league, Bradford’s numbers…4th quarter, different down and distances, different situations, etc are….well……blech.

Most concerning to me is his numbers “trailing in last 4 minutes of a game”

0 tds and 11 interceptions in those situations. Not the most “clutch” I’ve ever seen.

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 10, 2015 10:16 am
Reply to  invinoveritus

Hey guys Vinnie all your stats and invinoveritus your academia who is the starting QB for the Eagles today? I don’t like the Gimp a little bit but this back and forth about who’s right and who has the better stats has meant exactly what to Chip Kelly? Nick Foles is a Ram argument over.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 10, 2015 10:33 am
Reply to  invinoveritus

My recent stats have all been concerning the new starting QB.

mhenski
mhenski
April 10, 2015 11:44 am
Reply to  invinoveritus

invinoveritus eviscerated foolbreeze

DCar
DCar
April 10, 2015 12:05 pm
Reply to  invinoveritus

Mike Tyson uppercut!!! SEE YA Foolbreeze!!!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 10, 2015 12:38 pm
Reply to  invinoveritus

Well, Mr College Professor, only a pompous jerk would attempt to hide such ignorance with a false veneer of “academic perspective”.
First, the very effort at presenting ‘academic’ credentials on a sports forum is sign of pure desperation and total ignorance.
As to your other pompous claims, anyone who really understands logic and statistical information clearly understands that every “Fact” as a proposed proposition does not support every conclusion.
If you didn’t teach that about syllogisms in your “Introduction to Logic” course then you must be a very incompetent Professor. Where do you teach…the College of Academia Fantasy where fake Professors teach imaginary students courses in the make-believe?
Perhaps that is where you utilize the statistical arguments to claim that Nick Foles is a good Quarterback.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 10, 2015 2:39 pm
Reply to  invinoveritus

Yeah…vinniedaloser…numbers are very hard on you!

“Stats and metrics seem to me to be a much more intelligent way to look at/compare players”

It seems that way to you because you are Vinniedafool

All of your stats and metrics about Foles were simply a collection of meaningless facts that consistently ignored reality.

This is why now…Nick Foles is in St. Louis rather than getting that Kaepernick-like contract you were predicting that he would get here. (Side Note: he’s not getting that from the Rams either who are looking at him as a stop gap until they can get someone better!)
Vinniedaloser, I know you have never heard of a guy named ‘Mark Twain’…he was a pretty famous writer and he coined a pretty famous statement when he said:

“Lies, damm lies, and statistics”

We should put you and Nick Foles picture by that statement in a dictionary just to show how hard those ‘numbers are on you’…

OldSchool
OldSchool
April 9, 2015 9:13 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

That is your opinion of Foles, koolbreeze.

My opinion is that Chip Kelly traded Foles for the same reason he traded McCoy. For the same reason he cut DeSean Jackson. Not because they couldn’t play, but because they were not his choice. They didn’t fit Kelly’s system.

Don’t be surprised if Nick Foles has a very successful career. Just as McCoy and Jackson will go on to play well, I’m sure.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 9:35 pm
Reply to  OldSchool

Well Old School…we will see…

However, there is a reason Foles was not Chip Kelly’s “choice”

Chip Kelly explained it himself

Just looking at where we are and what we need to do, we’ve got guys open and we didn’t put the ball on them in certain situations,” Kelly said

If you are inaccurate and cant hit wide open receivers as a Quarterback, you dont fit anyone’s system…so dont be surprised if Nick Foles ends up just like Kevin Kolb or Bobby Hoying…flashes in the pan that just wasn’t good enough.

OldSchool
OldSchool
April 10, 2015 8:00 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Over Foles’ career he threw the ball 893 times and 550 of those passes were completed. That’s 61.6%, and better than Donovan McNabb who we would all agree was a franchise QB.

I’m not saying for a second that Foles was as good as McNabb. But, Foles certainly could hit receivers at a higher percentage.

Again, your anger with Nick Foles seems to be unrelated to his ability to play football.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 10, 2015 10:56 am
Reply to  OldSchool

Foles was erratic at best last year. He would make a throw to Maclin on the sideline standing tall in the pocket taking a beating.

Then he would have a throw like the one to Riley in Houston off the backfoot flailing into coverage and look abysmal.

His main drawback was the accuracy on his deep ball. He left too many big plays on the field.

When he is doing that…his lack of mobility and things he cant do are look that much worse.

His first year under Kelly skewed everyones outlook on him good or bad. As did his second year. If he was going to be good IMO his ceiling was Matt Schaub at best…..and if he was a flash in the pan he was Derek Anderson.

I think we get rid of Derek Andersen. Especially when in this offense Sanchez set career highs in play as well…..

MARK SANCHEZ.

That ultimately was Nick Foles demise here. There was no huge difference between the two. And Sanchez is comfortable being a highly paid back up.

And now hes a Ram. For little compensation…and his worth around the league…a league that is desperate for QB play didnt think highly of him. THAT SAYS ALOT. More than any number/stat in the world.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 10, 2015 2:27 pm
Reply to  OldSchool

I’m not ‘angry’ with Nick Foles at all…

I’m happy for my team that we have gotten rid of a Qb that is not a franchise QB and a QB whose deficiencies will hinder our development.

Foles is slow-mentally and physically

He is a turnover machine

He misses too many wide open receivers

He is not a franchise QB

Please dont mention Nick Foles in the same sentence with Donovan McNabb…McNabb has never led the league in turnovers

Mark Sanchez has over a 60% completion percentage in this offense and he has won playoff games…does that make him a franchise QB?

No…Sanchez is a backup and making him or Nick Foles your franchise QB would be a franchise killing mistake.

So I am filled with joy that we dumped Nick Foles

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 9, 2015 9:04 pm

The bitter grumblers, like multiple profile-mhenski-are simply bitter. Prior to the trade of Nick Foles they were all on the band wagon…”in Chip we trust”…Chip Kelly makes the move on Foles and they are now his worst critics

Hypocrites….

mhenski is a damm fool and now he doesn’t want to hear about Foles because he has a sore ass over being wrong…

LOL

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 9, 2015 10:49 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

” he has a sore ass over being wrong……”

Says 1-17.

DCar
DCar
April 10, 2015 12:10 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Hypocrite, says the King of them! “Chip is a racist, know nothing” when he got rid of your hero Vick, now that he got rid of your whipping boy Foles, he’s the best thing since sliced bread! You would be amusing, if you weren’t so embarrassingly stupid!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 10, 2015 2:05 pm
Reply to  DCar

Dumbcar, you have to stoop to lying to cover your embarrassing ass…when have I ever called Chip Kelly a ‘racist’-asswipe?

Your a joke and a lame, lonely ass

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 10, 2015 1:13 pm

Here are some syllogisms for you Koolidiot:

1 – All 13 year olds are idiots
2 – Koolbreeze is 13
3 – Koolbreeze is an idiot

1 – Mike Vick was a terrible QB
2 – Koolidiot loves Mike Vick and thinks he’s great
3 – Koolidiot knows nothing about quarterbacks

1 – Mike Vick posters cause Koolidiot to have regular wet dreams
2 – 13 year olds wash their wet dream sheets before mom gets home
3 – Koolidiot is now an expert on Maytag functions

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 10, 2015 2:19 pm

LOL…you are that desperate…Vinniedaloser

All last year you endlessly posted Nick Foles meaningless stats and ignored him leading the league in turnovers.

All year long you made endless arguments about Nick Foles

You predicated over and over again based on these stats-Nick Foles would be the franchised QB of the Eagles

You whined and cried like a baby over the ‘feelings of Nick Foles family’ over the ‘unfair criticism of this kid’

Your homo references to Foles as “Big Dick Nick” embarrassingly informed us of your personal feelings about Nick Foles

And it all came crashing down when Nick Foles was dumped

so here is a good syllogism for you Vinniedaloser:

1-Nick Foles sucks as a Quarterback

2-Chip Kelly and the whole league knows he sucks as a Quarterback

3- Vinniedaloser the No#1 Foles fan sucks