The Philadelphia Eagles have been run into the ground.
Three years into the Chip Kelly era, the Eagles have failed to win a single playoff game, and the team has only deteriorated as Kelly continues to shape the team in his flawed, distorted image.
For many reasons which I’ll get into more below, its clear that the Eagles are going nowhere under the direction of Kelly, and its time for Jeffrey Lurie to step in and do something about it.
Without further delay, I present my case for the Philadelphia Eagles to fire Chip Kelly.
Two Fraudulent 10-6 Seasons
When I hear people make a case for Chip Kelly to stay, usually the first thing his supporters point to is that he had two 10-6 seasons, which should give him the right to fix the mess he made this year.
But let’s examine those 10-6 seasons a little more closely.
In 2013, the Eagles started out 3-5 before finishing the season 7-1 to win the division and make the playoffs. However, the team was the beneficiary of a pitifully easy schedule. They were matched up with the likes of the Oakland Raiders, Detroit Lions, Aaron Rodgers-less Green Bay, Chicago Bears, Washington Redskins, and the Tony Romo-less Dallas Cowboys. The team certainly played well at the time, but upon looking back at the strength of the schedule at the time, there’s no doubt the team had a lot going in their favor by being matched up against poor teams.
The 2014 team was the most hollow 10-6 group I’ve ever seen. Few people look beyond the surface of the 10 wins that the team had last season to see them for what they really were. Kelly’s offense struggled heavily at times last season as well. Many of the team’s wins early in the season were fueled by an unrealistic amount of special teams and defensive touchdowns that proved be the difference in games. Without some of these fortunate breaks, the Eagles could have easily been a seven-win team last season.
And despite a 9-3 start that year, Kelly’s team collapsed to a 1-3 finish in the month of December, with the only victory coming in a meaningless season finale with the Giants after the Birds had already been eliminated.
During both seasons, Kelly’s true colors were on display for all to see with his record against winning teams.
In both years combined, the Eagles went 4-8 against teams with records above .500, and again, one of those wins came against a Green Bay team that was without Aaron Rodgers.
When looking at “two 10-6 seasons”, you need to look deeper than the initial stat of 20 victories and recognize that those achievements are actually quite hollow.
Those 10-win campaigns have meant very little, as the coach himself saw fit to obliterate the core of his team that was responsible for helping him attain those wins.
The Gimmick Offense Has Been Figured Out
Its time to stop pretending that Chip Kelly is some kind of revolutionary football mind that is bringing a lot to the table.
Because the reality is that this offense just isn’t that good.
Throughout the season, we’ve constantly heard Eagles’ opponents comment on how predictable Kelly’s offense is. There just aren’t that many plays in Chip’s arsenal. Constantly running everything out of the shotgun puts a limit on how many things the offense can do.
The running backs struggled throughout the season to get things going in Kelly’s slow-developing running schemes, and Kelly even has his runners go from the shotgun when the team is in the goalline.
The other element that is troubling is that Kelly allows defenses to dictate to him what kind of plays he can run, rather than him being assertive with his play calling. Throughout the season, the Eagles have avoided trying to take shots down the field, and seem to run all of their plays within 15 yards.
Then there’s the fast-paced element of the offense, Kelly’s claim to fame. To this, I simply don’t see the merit to running an offense like this.
I think at times, if the Eagles were to mix in a drive or two where they run things at a breakneck speed, it could be to their benefit. Mixing in speed only in spots would maximize its effectiveness. With opponents being unable to anticipate when the Eagles would pick things up or slow things down, the team could get some really solid concepts going for them.
But to run things this way 100% of the time is just foolish, and an idea that’s been doomed to fail all along. NFL defensive coordinators always catch up to gimmicks. There’s a reason the Wild Cat died after a year or two. There’s a reason the read-option quarterbacks Robert Griffin and Colin Kaepernick have found their ways to the bench. And there’s a reason that this offense now struggles just to score more than 20 points a game.
They’re all gimmicks.
The Defensive Scheme Is Also Flawed
‘As if the offensive problems weren’t bad enough, the Eagles’ defense has been an even bigger joke.
Billy Davis a god-awful, clueless defensive coordinator.
Davis runs the most painfully vanilla defense I’ve ever seen. This defense doesn’t have any kind of aggressiveness to it, there’s rarely any quality in-game adjustments, and this coordinator seems to always call games scared.
Davis seems to make his first priority to avoid giving up the big play. As such, he rarely blitzes to avoid getting burned. He’s afraid to move guys from their standard positions, leading to scenarios like the Lions game where a rookie cornerback is left to fend for himself against Calvin Johnson.
And the saddest part here is that this defense still gives up the big play anyway.
How many times has Davis’ defense allowed teams to convert on third and longs?
What’s the point of paying Byron Maxwell like a shutdown corner if Davis isn’t even going to attempt to have him shadow top opposing wide receivers?
Davis’ defense has been serviceable at best during his three years in Philadelphia, but its still an underachieving unit considering some of the talent brought in here over the last few years.
Personnel Mistakes
Chip Kelly the coach has been an enormous problem.
But Chip Kelly the G.M. has been an even bigger disaster.
Kelly ran wild with his full control this year, and almost all of his major moves have blown up in his face.
Byron Maxwell was horribly overpaid, and has not been close to a shutdown corner.
Sam Bradford has produced mixed results, and looks average at best. Certainly not worthy of losing next year’s second-round pick.
DeMarco Murray? Let’s not even get started on DeMarco Murray.
Kelly dumped big money into the running back position, but didn’t protect that investment by adding talent to an aging offensive line. In fact, Kelly made the line worse by willingly releasing Evan Mathis.
Kelly also failed to re-sign Jeremy Maclin, leaving his offense without a dynamic outside playmaker. It forced him to use a first-round pick on Nelson Agholor, who has contributed all of 250 yards in his rookie season.
Chip also traded LeSean McCoy, and brought in linebacker Kiko Alonso. Alonso’s struggles have been well-documented, and he’s done nothing to make the defense better.
These moves individually are the type of transactions that can set a team back several years if they don’t work out. And here Kelly has made six major gaffes in just one off-season. I fear what he might do with another year of full control.
Draft Day Incompetence
Three draft picks have been invested in the first three round on wide receivers in the last two years, and the Eagles have nothing to show for it. Josh Huff is a decent kick returner, but can’t be counted on to be involved in the offense. Jordan Matthews has become the king of garbage time stats, and took significant steps back in his sophomore year. Nelson Agholor was a major disappointment.
Kelly has shown that he doesn’t understand how to properly assess a player’s value on draft day. Before he had full control, he had wanted to take Jordan Matthews in the first round, and Taylor Hart in the third. He had to be talked out of it by former General Manager Howie Roseman.
The Blowout Losses
The Eagles have been blown out four times in the last six games.
During all of these games, the Eagles still very much had something to play and fight for, but they were pushed aside and easily defeated by their opponents.
And its not like the Eagles were getting demolished by elite teams like the Arizona Cardinals every week. There were embarrassments at the hands of other pathetic franchises like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Detroit Lions. The Washington Redskins came to town and dismantled the Eagles in front of the Philadelphia fans with a division title on the line.
Its one thing to have a bad season, but when your program is getting its doors blown off by other losers in this league, it really doesn’t speak well for the validity of Kelly’s philosophies and long-term plan.
This Program’s Future Projects Grim
If Kelly were to return next year, it’d be a do-or-die season for the head coach.
And I don’t see how he can fix enough of this team’s problems in one off-season to make them good enough to compete again.
The bad contracts that Kelly handed out to guys like Byron Maxwell and DeMarco Murray have given the team little wiggle room to work with in the salary cap this winter.
If the team is truly committed to getting Sam Bradford to sign an extension, that’s going to destroy a good amount of that remaining cap space.
And then Kelly still has a long list of holes to plug. The wide receivers aren’t good enough, need more help. The offensive line needs help at multiple positions. The Eagles are going to have a lot of key defensive starters go to free agency, including Cedric Thornton, Nolan Carroll, Walter Thurmond, and Vinny Curry. If any of them leave, those positions become holes again as well.
And in addition to the limited salary cap room, Kelly is of course without his second-round pick, thanks to the Bradford trade.
Sure, he can create some more space by releasing veterans like Jason Peters, but once he releases any of his veterans he creates even more holes that he has to fill as well.
The bottom line here is that I don’t see the Eagles in a position to do enough to improve drastically this off-season, meaning that missing the playoffs for a third straight year is a real possibility, and the Chip Kelly era would just come to an end next year at this time.
So why put it off?
Especially with so many questions about Chip the coach and GM, and the fact that is his body of work through three years really isn’t all that impressive, would this team not just be better off pressing the reset button and starting fresh with a new coach?
If Jeffrey Lurie allows Kelly to remain in any capacity, he’ll have wasted the 2016 season before it begins, just as he wasted 2012 by hanging on to Andy Reid a year too late, and just as he wasted 1998 by giving Ray Rhodes one more shot.
It’s time for Lurie to be honest with himself and have to the foresight to know that he made a mistake. Its time from him to cut his losses, and make a new hire that actually has a chance to build something great in this league.
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I agree with just about everything you listed but this,
Owner Jeff Lurie must Hire a Football Manto run the Front Office who in turn will hire the next Coach.. A real Football man with a Vision, A Plan with a record of Achievement must be the Focus of Owner Lurie.. Then let this new Quality Football Hire analyze, strategize and develop a short term & long term plan to rebuild this Eagles a Franchise from the Ground up
Hiring a New Head Coach first is backwards ..
Let the New GM call the shots in 2016 while Kelly still remains as HC to earn his paycheck with the hopes that he focus on rebuilding his name and reputation to allow the new GM/President of Football Ops a full Year to rebuild behind the Scenes interns of Scoutinf, Player Personnel, Contracts, etc..
If Kelly doesn’t like this arrangement and wants to quit, then so be it.. But that should not be the objective here at first.. Hire a real GM/Front Office Executive and clean up thst Front Office then focus on th Coaching Staff
Agree completely… Eagles desperately need a true football mind overseeing the organization
Denny: I don’t disagree with your salient points,however you have omitted from culpability ,Jeffrey Lurie ,who made the ultimate decision to allow this to happen in the first place …That will temper his decision ,and give him pause to first make certain demands upon Chip the GM ..organizationally ,I’m in agreement it’s been an abject failure ,however ,it’s a lot easier to implement ,football minds around the coach ,and build an organizational pyramid..The question remains ,in my mind wether Chips ego will allow it?
I agree, Lurie is very much part of the problem… Luries problem is that he doesn’t just want to win a super bowl, he wants to win in a unique way that will forever put his own stamp on the league…hence decisions like the one to hire Kelly and all of his gimmicky approaches.
It’s so indicting that Lurie snubbed Bruce Arians during the interview process a few years ago… What I would give to have that program here right now.
Pman..hadn’t seen your post ..but ..agreed.
A couple of things in Luries Favor
1) Chip Kelly Star Stock has taken such big hit not only around Philly but really arounf the NFL so Chips Ego, will be as minimal as it’s ever going to be..
2) not Sure the $$$ that were involved or their contractural agreement but word was that Kelly earned an additional $5 Million making his Total compensation approx $11-$12 Million by taking on the VP of Football Ops/GM Duties along with the HC Duties, but either way with a damaged reputation that Chip Kelly has, that’s a lot of $$$ to walk away from or quit over because some duties were stripped from you…
Let’s say a Bill Apollinaire is Hired to strictly work with Ed Marynowitz to restructure and rebuild the Front Office while Kelly focuses on upgrading his Staff, His Schemes and works with Polian/Marynowitz to get his wish list of available Players but it’s going to be thru the Draft and not high-priced Veteran Players
If I am Polian for example and Chip Kelly says I want QB Sam Bradford back
Then this is what I would do
A) Scrap the Read-Option, 1 Back Set
B) Add a Real FB to the Offense.
C) Rebuild the OL and Running, Blocking Schemes and formations to best utilize Bradford skills which is quick drops, 2, 3 Reads and let it rip,
I need bigger, stronger WR’s to help Bradford with the shorter, Quicker passes, etc..
If I am Polian, and Chip Kelly says , let Bradford walk and let’s get Kaepernick,
Then I have him adjust his Scheme that best suits Kaepernick, more Roll Outs,
Boot legs, Pistol Formations, More Speed at WR to get down the field ,etc. etc
In other words, Lurie needs a proven, respective Front Office man to help work the good ideas that Kelly has but to keep Kelly’s Ego intact so that he can develop winning Schemes based on the Players he has and not vice versa
Bill Polian’s Son, Chris, is a future potential Front Office Executive
Maybe he can help lay the groundwork for a solid foundation to pass along for a Bill Polian Hire is a short-term 2 year fix and that’s about it due to his age and energy level…
Denny you just wrote one of your best articles covering from a to z of this whole debacle and I agree with you 100 %. No way this gets fixed like I said earlier he screwed this team and franchise for at least 2-3 yrs. What a big mistake getting this fool I would love them if he was free to get Sean Payton but I think that wont happen Only coach on this team doing a good job is the special teams everyone else stinks Maybe Ed Mayowich should be GM I just dnt think Lurie knows who or what to do to make this team whole again sad very sad but at any rate like I said earlier great article touching on some eye opening topics especially the first two seasons and why the sucess
Thanks, I really appreciate that! The problem is that the Eagles have lacked a true experienced football mind overseeing the operation for such a long time…we’ve had non personnel guys like Banner or Roseman with final say, and I think this team could really do with a seasoned front office guy running things to rebuild this team. I know they’ve had guys like Tom gamble, Tom donahue, and Phil savage in as advisors in recent years, but I want a guy with a proven resume actually in charge and of things, not just serving as an extra voice.
Denny, I agree with what you have written as it is well thought out and written. However, for me the reality is Jeff Lurie is going to give Chip another year to continue to bumble his way to more craptacular off season moves that result in further poor performance when it is time to play again. To top everything off, Chip will bring back Billy Davis and Riley Cooper..mark my words..he will! Nothing will change because Chip believes that what he is doing is right..from training to talent evaluation to scheme and philosophy. We will be having this same conversation 365 days from now!
Thank you, I really appreciate it!! And yeah I don’t believe Lurie will fire Kelly either… But I do believe there will be a fall guy for this season, and I do think there’s a decent chance it’ll be Billy Davis.
Denny, If Mr. Lurie doesn’t fire Chip, then he has no one really to blame but himself, for everything that has happened this year. As a smart businessman, he knows all about investments – and sometimes you have to take a loss, and admit your mistakes, and learn from them.
What did Chip do this year to give us any indication that, Mr. Lurie, or the fan base, can trust that he can make this team better after all the stupid decisions he has made with personnel, his head scratching on field strategies, and the contestant denial that he is overmatched as a General Manager, and a Coach in the NFL??????
Why not fire him now?? It will be even more embarrassing to fire him next year after drafts more deficient players from Oregon, or the Pac 12, or another Josh Huff, or Taylor Hart, or brings in another Kiko Alonso in a trade – especially when it’s obvious it’s not working…..Screw Chip. If Sean Peyton shakes loose go after a real NFL Coach – SHUT UP PAUL, He will come here – why prolong the pain???…..
That would be just stupid on Jeffery Lurie’s part. He HAS to be more loyal to his team – his investment – and the fans of Philadelphia, than he is to Chip and his ego.
Cliff, Jeff is the main problem. He gave Andy Reid GM power and he witnessed how that turned out…this was after Reid had actually accomplished post season wins and accumulated years of head coaching experience in the NFL. Jeff gave Chip the same power after his second year of NFL coaching, after failing to make the playoffs and losing 3-4 of the last games. Jeff has repeated the same mistake, this time, just a lot faster. I think Jeff falls in love (figuratively) with these guys and is willing to give it up to them (metaphor) to keep them around and happy before they actually deserve it by winning a SB and demonstrating an understanding of evaluating talent.
Jeff has failed to learn from his own history, and is doomed to repeat his mistakes of the past…that makes him a fool..not a wise business man as it relates to his product. Watching people leave the Linc in droves prior to the game ending multiple times this season should send a message..but he will dilly dally around an extra year such is his way of doing things.
EHL great post. And I’m afraid you’re right about Lurie.
Why stop at Billy Davis, when Chip is the one who hired him, and Chip is the one who keeps telling the media that Billy Davis is doing a great job..
Isn’t that saying I’m the problem too???
The guy is a College Coach exclusively…I want Sean Peyton as our next Head Coach!!!!!!!!
– Shut up Paulman!!!!!!!!!
But I do agree that Chip would probably love to bring Davis back again…and I actually think Cooper stays because of his contract once again…Eagles would only pick up about 500,000 on cap relief from if they release him
Bruce Arians 41-16
Charles Kelly 26-21 Gold Standard!
Both teams going in completely different directions.
Don’t forget Arians was snubbed by Lurie. Never even gave the man an interview…smdh
Back from a hiatus, of a busy bunch of months. Just my 2 cents, since along with Biggie, Eagles, Paul, gmcliff & myself were vilified, & scalded on here, by the know-nothing trolls. Denny says- “Two Fraudulent 10-6 Seasons”, “Gimmick Offense”, “Defensive Scheme Is Also Flawed”, “Personnel Mistakes”, “Draft Day Incompetence”, “This Program’s Future Projects Grim”. Wow, hasn’t someone in particular, been saying that, from day one?? I’ve said from day ONE, the is fraud, with a gimmicky offense, is a failure, & only took this job, because the NCAA was going to drop the hammer on him with sanctions for 3 years! He has never won shit! He’s an arrogant, hubristic, condescending liar, with ZERO people skills. He doesn’t know how, or give a F^#@ to handle personalities that don’t jive with him. He acts like he just invented the game, & he could just plug & play any stiff, into his offense, while not giving a f^#@ about the defense. He decimated this team! 3 $#!t drafts, & even worse FA acquisitions! You DON’T release a Probowl down the field WR (DJax), get ZILCH in return, & not replace his talent qualifications! You don’t just let his following #1 WR (Maclin) leave via FA, for less than $2M per, & not replace him! You DON’T trade your franchise, all-time leading RB, still in his prime, for an ex-head case, coming off of a major, injury! You let both of your starting OG’s go, & not replace them, & replace them with 3rd stringers! You DON’T 3 years, without drafting, nor sign, any significant contributors on the o-line! You don’t draft guys taken, 2-4 rounds before the should be! You DON’T let your abysmal secondary sit, fester, & go un-upgraded for 3 years! And you especially don’t trade your starting QB, & a 2nd round pick, & downgrade a pick last year from 4th-5th, for a career bust, that’s made of porcelain! Not to mention his hiring of Billy Davis! They have SO MANY holes now, that it’s going to take at 3-4 years to get out his hole! GOD ALMIGHTY! FIRE EVERYONE!
“genius”*
WHATS UP DCar Baby!!!!!!!!!!
SUP cliff? Been away from commenting on here, for a while. Been a brief onlooker, but can’t stand to comment to the scumbag, baiter trolls on here, so I spare myself the aggravation, & don’t bother. Had a knee replacement, & a cleaning on the other one & have been taking care of my Granddaughter. Now, that I’m fully into my own real-estate, I can make my own schedule with the flexibility. Been good. How has your year gone since your health scare? How was your Xmas?
Good to hear from you DCar!!
I WISH YOU A SPEEDY RECOVERY MY BROTHER!!
I ve just been doing my therapy, and trying to take care of my new 5 month old Daughter; Living through my kids – all 8 of them – and the 4 Grandkids. You know what it’s like they’re my joy…
I’m all good now cliff! Done therapy, back at the gym FT. can’t do my MMA training anymore, but everything else can do. Take care of yourself! Damn, 8 kids, 4 Grand babies?? And I thought I had it tough, with 4 kids, taking care of my Nephew, & 5 Grand babies! LOL! It’s all worth it though, especially when Pop-Pop & Mom-Mom takes care of & spoils them! 🙂
Merry Christmas & Happy New Years DCAr,
It’s Good to hear from you and sounds like everything is going well on your end
Best Wishes to everyone … Go Summertime Trash-Trunk Juice of Sport Teams that we have to Root for anymore … Good Grief!!!
LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to see you back on the boards, DCar
Nice in depth, on the money, Denny , learned from the article. Also thought Peters showed he is not too happy. pulling himself as reported by some out of game.No sense to destroy what left of a h.o.f. career for a coach who seems to struggle badly with his street creds , Nice one Denny!
Eagles must make 2 changes.
First: #1 draft pick on a new LT who will struggle all year like most rookies but be ready for 2017.
Second: Let the useless Bradford walk and start the ever-more useless Sanchez.
Win 4 games next year. Fire everyone and roll into the draft with the #1 pick and a good LT entering his second year. QB it up. Compete in 2020.
You Forgot about the 3rd Change
Change that Damn,Stupid Fight Song…
Eagles will never Win Squat with that Stupid-Ass Song…
So all the GM’s on this site would have selected Bruce Arians as the Eagles head coach after the firing of Andy Reid ?
So no one thought Murray was a better fit then McCoy because he ran north and south ?
So everyone thought Jordan Hicks was a good 3rd round pick? No one thought it was a bad pick because the Eagles needed an offensive lineman ?
So everyone knew that Kiko would be a bust at inside linebacker ?
As a matter of fact, I did.
I wrote an article at the time Murray was signed where I stated concern that he wouldn’t be a fit here for a lot of different reasons. (Ironically enough, quite a few people ripped me for it in the comments, saying I was being “too negative”)
http://18.208.40.39/2015/03/16/demarco-murray-signing-doesnt-excite/
And back in January 2013 shortly after Kelly was hired, I wrote an article about how much of a problem I had going with Kelly over many candidates with proven experience, with Arians being one of them.
http://18.208.40.39/2013/01/16/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-jeffrey-luries-leadership/
Full disclosure, Gus Bradley would have been my top choice at the time, but I certainly would have taken Arians above Kelly as well at the time.
So did I Denny. I said it numerous times. I didn’t think he would have the space to roam as he did with Buffalo, because our front 3 wasn’t as stout – and Fletcher Cox wasn’t the stud that he is today yet – with the Eagles, especially coming off the injury.
No one questioned why Buffalo was SO WILLING to give him up – They knew, and so did GMCliff.
Now, Denny when you allowed me to write the article on why I wanted Gus Bradley as our coach. Do you have a vision of the talent he would have brought in as opposed to Kelly’s Pac 12 bias below average talent???
Now I want to start the move to bring Sean Peyton here if he is fired by New Orleans. How would you feel about the prospects, and the future of HIM as our Head Coach???
There goes GMCliff with more of his Unrealistic Wishful Thinking
So Lurie is going to Pay Kelly some $20 Million over the next 2 Years not to work for the Eagles… Then Lurie is going to go out and Trade for Sean Payton and Pay him the $7-$10 Million per Year and well as cough up 1st and 2nd Round Draft Picks to get him out of New Orleans ..
C’Mon Cliff, Put the Egg-Nog Down, Christmas is Over….
Number 1, I don’t celebrate Christmas, and don’t like or drink Egg Nog.
My statement was if Sean Payton shakes loose – I think Lurie SHOULD go all out to sign him. Who said trade for him??
If he doesn’t mind paying DeMarco Murray for nothing, why should he mind paying Chip Kelly for nothing, especially when he doesn’t have a clue.
Excuse me but my thinking is a lot more realistic than yours if you still prefer mediocrity in Talent, and coaching bruh…..
Sean Payton is under Contract with the Saints just like Chip Kelly is for the Eagles..the only way another Team is getting him is to trade for him..
I would like Belicheck too if things shake loose.. Keep it real Cliff..
I’m talking about if he is fired Paul; That’s what I mean if he shakes loose.
But I never suggested trading for him. That is keeping it real.
GM,
I actually think Bradley has done a nice job bringing the Jags along. I think they’ve got a tremendous offensive core to build around, and in a weak division I think they could challenge for the title next year.
You look at guys like Bortles, Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, T.J. Yeldon that Bradley has brought in and developed over the last two years…that’s a sold core to build around.
The one thing Bradley needs to do now is sure up his defense. Maybe this year’s top pick Fowler gets healthy, and and another round of top picks could be the final steps he needs to really start pushing that program forward.
Again, we have a head coach who at least had a plan and vision from the getgo and he’s been able to slowly put those pieces together.
And with Kelly, we have a bunch of random, bizarre decisions that have led nowhere. What true building blocks does this team have to work with on either side of the ball? Fletcher Cox? Who was an Andy Reid holdover?
Certainly very little on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe Lane Johnson, but rest of the offensive line needs to be redone. Bradford a question mark. Running backs all have wear and tear on them, Murray not a fit for scheme. Wide receivers all suck.
Inexcusable that after three years, so little progress has been made.
Sorry Denny, the nfl is a W/L league and Bradley has gotten subpar results. He’s taken over a bad team as did LLCB… He’s had three top picks etc. and as you point out a weak division. He has to win more.
I don’t disagree that Bradley should have won more than he has to this point…but you also have to understand that he took over one of the league’s truly worst dumpster fires, and major rebuilds like that take time.
When Bradley got there, he didn’t have DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, and Jeremy Maclin waiting for him. He had a broken down Maurice Jones-Drew, Chad Henne, and suspension-prone headcase Justin Blackmon.
no doubt that next year that team needs to really put it all together and assert themselves in that division, but I can cut Bradley some slack because of the extreme situation he was put it, and by the fact that at least to this point in his regime he’s collected a lot of good offensive building blocks to work with, including an answer at the quarterback position.
And again, I can’t say the same for Kelly by a longshot…
Denny, unlike Chip Kelly, and Bruce Ariens who I feel has done a fantastic job in his own right, neither of them had to start at scratch, and build from basically nothing.
You cannot argue that he has done a more than admirable job, and helped his team be in games against whomever they’ve played, and he had drafted the talent – Robinson, Hurns, Yeldon, Jonathan Cyprien, we’ll dee about Melvin Fowler, and free agents like Julius Thomas, and others.
Because they have drafted the right players, they have a nucleus of real talent, and they had no choice but to be patient.
That being said, in my opinion, he has done a better job with his team than Chip, and if he were the coach – DeSean would be here, Shady would be here, Maclin, and we would have drafted some Offensive Lineman, and impact LB’s along with depth.
Chip was lucky his first 2 years having Andy Reid’s core players to work with, but he bit the hand that fed him, and shipped off the talent, and you see the results of his vision of a Championship team……..just a mirage.
Good Stuff Denny,
There were many experienced Football Fans/Posters on this Site that were not “enamored or bowled over by the Chip Kelly hype”
I liked Gus Bradley, Bruce Arians, Tom Clement and even thought HAC Choice of Mike McCoy would have been a nice Hire
Some of us recall the year or 2 before when Chip Kelly Accepted a Job in Principle with the TB Bucs only to reneged on it a week later when he got a nice Raise and Extension from Oregon so I was turned off from that time about Chip Kelly where it’s always about him and his Scheme and not his Players… I doubted his Horizontal Scheme at Warp Tempo would work at the NFL consistently after hte newness wore off and D/C’s had tape and time to stop it… Where have the Adjustements come from Chip Kelly??
Coaching in the NFL is a continual process of Adjustments and Developing Plays and Schemes and mixing and matching Players Talents to give you the best Match-Ups and then taking advantage of those Match-ups.
Chip Kelly is about running the same 8-10 Players over and over at a Fast Pace which Wins at the College Level where maybe 5% of all the participants on the field have NFL Talent
I haven’t seen any Adjustments or Development by Chip Kelly since his Arrival into the NFL, if anything, he’s regressed and shorten his Play List
He’s become a joke around NFL Circle and in terms of being a GM,
he’s down right laughable and has little to no relationships around the League and maybe Chip Kelyl doesn’t care, but Jeff Lurie or someone in the Eagles Organization better care for you are not going anywhere as an NFL Executive/Front Office or even a Coach without support,respect and knowledge shared by and with those working in Front Offices around the NFL.. Its a pretty small Circle and if your outside that Circle by your own choice or your too busty because your a Coach, then you are not doing your Organization that you work for and get paid very nicely any justice..
DT…nobody is wise enough to pick the lottery before the numbers are drawn,however a few insights into your cynicism..the vetting process ,looking for a new coach ,should have been all -inclusive..especially in Arians a local Temple guy ,and a proven QB molder of Big Ben ..his M.O was very similar to A.R with Favre ..Murray was tread worn ,a rented mule ..Vinnie ..I believe trumpeted that ,early ,in the process..I think a football savvy executive might have at least given a “voice of reason” in that same regards..and to carry it even further ..If you do bring Murray in and Sam I am ..The offensive line ,is then the horse before the cart ..protecting those high prices cred assets ,is priority one..Otherwise ,you get what you got ..lack of security ,sub-par performances and a steady decline in productivity in a rush game ,that was already a strength ..Jordan Hicks was at first glances a diamond in the rough ..tough to dispute ..but ..if you did feel that strongly ,why trade shady for an oft injured Kiko? Somethings that defy the norm ,statistically speaking ,work to the odds of probability vs a sure thing..the long term vision is what I questioned from day one..Why bring in an oft injured guy ,only to prove that your sports science formula can stack the odds in your favor? It didn’t happen ,so now,you have to look at the peripheral …well I didn’t protect these guys with assets on the O line ..who’s fault is that? We all were led to believe inside lb..was a security blanket ..didn’t happen ..murrays. North south style fit our system ..didn’t happen..Kiko will revert to his rookie form…didn’t happen..Sam will elevate the QB position ..translating in Ws …didn’t happen ..well let guys I can’t or won’t tolerate leave ..no matter there talents..and replace them with “guys” ..didn’t happen..other than ..hicks ….they all pretty much crapped out ..leaving us with zero leverage at QB ..(Sam holds all those cards) ..more holes to fill than a Vegas brothel …and tied up $$ on guys that are not productive..times yours..
Great article! The big question is what would this season have looked like if Kelly kept Maclin, Foles, McCoy, etc? Maybe just added an O line man or two, a corner or two… Would they have been any better??? I used to think so now I am not so sure… You’re right, the NFL caught up to captain college…
This to me from day one was a “Domino” effect ..letting guys walk ..receiving zero compensatory ..picks..foolish ..Especially in Mathis ..case ..your job was as GM to wear that “humbled” hat ..you chose the “power” trip..I can ,so I will let his ass walk..even ,at the detriment of my team ,and Sam and Murray ..self and inflicted ..You won the pre -season vs vanilla defenses and guys that aren’t in the league ,and got a false bravado..protection in bubble wrap vs letting Sam knock off the Kool songs rust…you plugged a vaunted three headed running attack into the exact same plays ..your own creative assets were mis-used ,and under utilized..Id love see sproles on the pats …I bet the utilization of sproles by bellicheck would be ..eye opening..you didn’t as GM reach out to Maclin and reward him for a heroic ,comeback season ..leaving a rookie to be “falsely elevated to a number one ” not ,contemplating the dominoe effect..your ineffective voice admitting you don’t raise it ..creates a culture of blasé …there’s no accountability ,don’t think Vince Lombardi would approve …and trust me chip..you’re no Vince Lombardi..you failed bill Davis ,by running his squad into the abyss ..you failed Sam I am by not best tear protecting him..you failed each and every guy in that locker room .And you failed the fan base ..Ego is a three letter word. But what you did was a four letter word..you Fd yourself
Great article Denny, good to see Dcar back on here, it’s just a damn shame that all this was visible to a few of us from day 1 who didn’t get sold by this snake oil salesman, like you Denny full disclosure my choice at the time would’ve been Gus Bradley. I haven’t liked Chip Kelly from the first smug interview he gave when he was at Oregon. This isn’t an overnight fix if he isn’t fired. Forget all the bad decisions he’s made just look at the product on the field, no concentration from the backs or receivers nobody on defense that can tackle stupid penalties on both sides of the ball it’s a mess. And yes Lurie needs to share in this ridiculousness.
I just did some analysis on Eagles draft position. If they foolishly beat the Giants on Sunday, they will pick 15th. If they lose (which I think they will because they have no pride, Giants will play for Coughlin in his last game and Odell is pissed off), they will have at least 11th pick. If Saints and Bucs win they could pick 9th. Saints have good shot, but Bucs seem dead regardless of whether Panthers rest their starters. I will say they end up with 10th pick.
I was in for McCoy, most were in for Bradley and neither have done better. Seems that big red along with Ariens were the two best coaches that year. As for draft position, both teams would get a better pick by losing, someone has to win. I really can’t see any coach coaching to lose…that doesn’t happen. Maybe sit an ailing player like peters but really tanking at this point to gain a position or two isn’t really an NFL thing. Makes for decent blog talk but not the real world.
We are talking five positions. But Coughlin has all the motivation to win since he will not be back so I am not worried about it. Eagles will get smashed on Sunday. The main reason to win is pride and they have none.
5 positions mean zero
Moving 5 Positions up out of 32 Selections is about 1/6th improvement which I think is pretty significant To be in that 10th Range very Round as opposed to the middle of the Round is a lot better Draft Position to be..
I draft position is not a topic of conversation in the coaches office, the owners office and locker room….nor should it be
Ask any Coach, Scout, Front Office & GM’s
Would you rather Select 5 Positions Higher in the Draft ?
The Answer would be a resounding Yes…
Not six days before they play a game dipshit
I have a few questions regarding contract status/money owed to Chip if the following happens:
Lurie fires Billy Davis. To me, this is long overdue and needs to happen early next week if not sooner. If Lurie does this, does it void Chip’s contract and allow him to leave and get paid?
Lurie removes the GM position from Chip. I think this is less likely to happen, but can Lurie do this, have Chip leave, and not have to pay him?
No way Luire fires Chip because who would he hire? You would have to start all over again with a new QB and the 10th pick in draft and no second rounder. Next best thing would be to fire Chip as GM (but you need to find someone quick that is not Howie) and to tell Chip that new GM will be assisting him with finding a new D coordinator because Davis is out and Chip has no say on that. Davis has now finished in the bottom five in six of his seven seasons as a coordinator. His best finish was taking a 19th defense and finishing 20th and then 27th before being fired in Arizona. His track record is undeniable. The new GM will discuss changes the team plans to make on offense that will decrease the defensive snaps so he can lure a decent candidate. These will be changes that Chip will be forced to make. Under all these circumstances, he may very well resign (especially if Howie is given back GM job). And if he does, oh well. Let Shurmur have the job and evaluate him while you take a year to search for new face of the franchise.
If Chip is willing to make some changes, Lurie may give a little latitude. He may let him hire Azzinaro for example as coordinator. If Braford won’t stay, I think you probably have to with RG3. People who would call me crazy consider this. First, he has had a full year to get healthy as well as a little humble. Second, it is low risk high reward. Third, according to every defensive player the Eagles face, system is easy to learn and suits his skill set. Fourth, he won’t cost much. Fifth, he has demonstrated accuracy and low INT rate even at his worst which Chip values. Finally, he gets to shove it up the Skins ass twice a year if he succeeds. That would be helpful since I see our struggles against them reaching turn of the century Giants proportions for many reasons.
LURIE AINT GONNA FIRE CHIP AND LOSE ALL THAT SCRATCH.
WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO EMASCULATE CHIP, DEMOTE HIM FROM GM AND REAPPOINT HOWIE JUST FOR A HAIL MARY THAT CHIP WOULD THEN QUIT AND WALK RATHER THAN HAVE TO REPORT TO HOWIE AGAIN! CHIP FORCED LURIE TO DEMOTE HOWIE AND IT MADE LURIE LOOK LIKE AN IMBECILE AND CHIP TOO FOR THAT MATTER. LURIE NEEDS TO MAKE IT RIGHT AND GIVE HOWIE HIS JOB BACK AND PRAY CHIP WALKS
IF CHIP DOESNT WORK THEN EVERYONE GOES NEXT YEAR
Contract contains offset language. If Texas gives Chip 8-10 mil, Lurie doesn’t owe him shit.
NOBODY GIVING HIM THAT. NICK SABAN DONT EVEN MAKE THAT
WHAT CHIP HAS DONE TO THIS TEAM IS A DISGRACE AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW… I CAN UNDERSTAND LURIE NOT WANTING TO PAY HIM ANOTHER 15 MILL FOR NOTHING BUT YOU GOTTA SMACK THAT ASS, ACTUALLY GO A.P. AND LIGHT HIS ASS UP WITH A SWITCH AND EMASCULATE THIS FRAUD!!!!!!!!
There is no doubt Lurie will not let Chip make all decisions going forward. He will not be GM and he will not keep Bill Davis.
i pray ur right but history says chip stays at gm
LURIE BETTER CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TEAM AND CITY TO AT BARE MINIMUM DEMOTE THIS IDIOT FROM GM AND FIRE DAVIS. WHAT CHIP HAS DONE TO THIS TEAM IS AN ATROCITY THAT A 3RD GRADE MADDEN 2015 PLAYER WOULDNT BE DUMB ENOUGH TO DO
LURIE CANNOT ALLOW HIM TO SABOTAGE THIS TEAM ANY FURTHER
If Chip is willing to make some changes, Lurie may give a little latitude. He may let him hire Azzinaro for example as coordinator. If Braford won’t stay, I think you probably have to go with RG3. Kaepernick is a lost cause.People who would call me crazy consider this. First, he has had a full year to get healthy as well as a little humble. Second, it is low risk high reward. Third, according to every defensive player the Eagles face, system is easy to learn and suits his skill set. Fourth, he won’t cost much. Fifth, he has demonstrated accuracy and low INT rate even at his worst which Chip values. Finally, he gets to shove it up the Skins ass twice a year if he succeeds. That would be helpful since I see our struggles against them reaching turn of the century Giants proportions for many reasons.
i dont know what washington did to rg3 but his rookie year was insane, i watched him a lot and dude threw an awesome ball… that doesnt go away. rg3 skill set is 1000000000000000 times better than krappernick and bradford… dont know i want any of those 3 but ill take rg3 over the other 2
They exercised the 5th Year option at a $16.5 Million Salary which is Guaranteed for Injury only… I believe once the new League Year Starts in March of 2016 and he is able to pass a Physical, then he can be Released by the Redskins with no Financial Obligation outside of a $2.5 Million buyout.. This Deal basically means that no other Team is going to trade for him until after he’s released which won’t occur to after he passes a Physical which is why the Redskins had him “Deactivated” all Season so he wouldn’t get hurt any further .. If He Fails his Physical in March then the Redskins are on the Hook for $16.5 Million (as would any other Team that would Trade for him before this time is up)
So nothing Happens around the NFL and other Team concerning RG3 until March…
Didn’t RG3 sign that Rookie Extension last Year with the Redskins for
$14.5 Million for 2016 Season.. So a Team that Trades for him has to accept that Contract.. Now if he gets Released by the Redksins than any Team can make any Deal for him…
Eagles have Approx $25 Under the Cap right Now and have 12 of their Own Free-Agents to Address..
Do note that you have to keep around $8 – $10 Million for the Rookie/Undrafted Player Pool for the Draft and follow up
Eagles Free Agents (14 Total)
Sam Bradford, M Tobin,S Aijorutu, C Thornton,V Curry, Nolan Carroll and Walter Thurmond & Ed Reynolds are among the 2015 contributors
Retooling the O line is paramount. Chip needs to admit to Luire that he screwed up the line and must address this first and foremost. You release Peters and move L Johnson to LT. You can’t pay Peters at this point. Next you address RG or RT in FA and the other with your first pick. DeForest Buckner will NOT be our first pick. D line is not a priority especially with no second round pick and the Oregon bias must stop. If you bring in RG3 for peanuts and cut Peters, you save 20 million in cap room to A) re-sign Cox to long term deal, B) get a veteran WR (and cut Cooper) and C) find your O line help to help the offense. Defense does not need a lot of tweaking personnel wise. They need someone who has a clue as to how to use them. Demeco has to go. Kiko gets TC to prove he can still play or new GM cuts him. Rowe is fine and you are stuck with Maxwell. Thurman was fine at safety as well but you can drat someone with one of your three picks in third and fourth round to add depth and competition. Thornton’s contract is up and you can use some of that 20 million saved to re-sign Curry as the starter. That will improve the pass rush. A new DC will also improve it. You also get Hicks back next year (although I think he is the Eagle equivalent of Sean Lee). I would not mind seeing a new coordinator who employs a 4-3 of Curry, Cox, Logan and Graham, with Barwin, Hicks and Kendricks as the backers.
Lurie is smart enough to not panic.this is his business, we fans are emotionally attached. The Eagles including Kelly will right the ship… Agholor I has got to catch the ball, that alone scores us touchdowns and keeps drives going…. He can’t be a flop… We can’t fill so many holes in FA…OL would not have been cured with Mathis and Herreman … Need to draft OL every year… EVERY
presser highlights todsay
Chip says he doesn’t think the roster needs major changes
I don’t think we are a bad football team. By any stretch
Chip says from 1-10, having say over the 90 man roster is a 7.2 in terms of importance to him
Chip once again says he not the general manager. Says control of personnel hasn’t been an increased burden
Eagles will do “everything” they can to keep Sam Bradford, says Chip Kelly.
Eagles have to finish in the same spot as the Rams in the NFC West. So if both finish 3rd, #Eagles go to London
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Paulman’s 2016 Eagles Mock-Draft – Version #6
Rd 1 ILB Reggie Ragland – Alabama (6-2 252lbs)
Rd 3 Center/Guard Nick Martin – Notre Dame (6-4 304lbs)
Rd 3 RB Kenneth Dixon – La Tech (5-10 212lbs)
Rd 4 DB Delondre Hall – Northern Iowa (6-1 195lbs)
Rd 5 WR Mekale McKay – Cincinnati (6-4 200lbs)
Rd 6 OT Tyler Marz – Wisconsin (6-7 315lbs)
Rd 7 Guard Joe Dahl – Washington State (6-4 305lbs)
Version #6 , with 6 new players added that probably 4 or 5 won’t even make the team…..SMH, love mediocrity don’t you bruh???
How about 1 last version, and the permanent one before the draft Paul, so you don’t have 500 player to say I told you so – instead of displaying some skill, and mocking me the best 8 or 9 players to draft in the range of possibility, and sticking to that list???
in Response Cliff
1) I guess I can do like you and have the Eagles Selecting 5-6 of the Top 50-75 Players and have the Eagles Trading Up & Down the Board to get them like you do every Draft Season and then you can say, look at these 5-6 Players that could have helped the Eagles as if the Eagles had any shot at 90#..
2) We don’t even have the list of Junior Players year who will enter the Draft which pushed many players down a Round or 2
3) We don’t know the injury Status of a lot of Players yet until after the Bowl Games, Senior Bowls, Indy Combine and Workout’s yet
Right now I have the Eagles Selecting #11 in Each Round so that makes it
1st Round – 11th Overall Pick
No 2nd Round (Would have been 43rd Pick)
3rd Round – 75th Overall Pick
4th Round – Approx 116th Pick (Compensatory Picks are added after the 3rd Round which you can average 10 extra Picks at the end of each additional round for the remainder of the Draft)
5th Round – Approx #158th Pick
6th Round – Approx #190th Pick
7th Round – Approx #235th Pick
Paul,, I don’t get why you keep saying I select from the top 75 in the first 3 rounds, because many players I speak of the year before, and as they get closer to the Combine they are THEN mocked in the top echelon after their performances at the combine.
For instance, before Khalil Mack was talked about the year he drafted in the 1st round, he was mocked as a 3rd-4th rounder the year before.
Last year you yourself, had Stephone Anthony as a 3rd Rounder, however the year before he was mocked as a 4th – 5th Rounder.
Larry Warford was mocked a 4th Rounder the year before he was drafted, and was drafted in the 3rd round, but I had a higher grade on both he, and Gabe Jackson, who also was graded as a 3rd-4th Rounder the year before being drafted.
Their performances at the Combine boosted their draft stock, but spoke of all of them the year before they were drafted, so please don’t act like I pick theses players based on someone else’s projections, or cheat from the top echelon of prospects.
Pick 8, 9 10 players tops, who you personally feel realistically can be drafted in the Eagles 7 rounds, and no more versions….deal???
Quick question, How real is the rumors of Kelly being traded to the Titans, for their #1???
If there is some bite to it, and they can work that out, the EAGLES, are sitting pretty in this draft to rebuild for the future.
I would cut Riley Cooper, and make Zach Ertz a WR, and draft a good Blocking/Pass Catching TE – My choice would be Hunter Henry out of Arkansas 6-6 259 runs a 4.6 40……..
It’s a ‘rumor’ there have been no reports ,no anonymous source leaks. Pure speculation … Could it happen? Sure … Will it? Take a guess… You can’t argue that it will or won’t happen…
i can make a case for no way in hell. chip has a proven track record of being a delusional fraud and nobody giving up a 1st round draft pick for him
chance of happening 0%. now for a 2nd rounder id believe it maybe.
Big Mhenski, you are hilarious dude……I can see why you feel that way…lol!!
Thanks Ciggy. Let’s just say I wish it would….
Delondre Hall is a very good small school prospect…
So is Dixon, but he may be available later than the 3rd…..
A good Possibility that RB Dixon slide’s to the 4th and Eagles
I believe he is one of the Best All-Around RB’s in this Draft and would fit Kelly’s Scheme perfectly, He Catches the Ball very well too.. He does need to work on his Blocking as all young RB’s do… I would then have Dixon as the 3rd RB for 2016 (behind Murray/Matthews) and handle Punts/Kick-Offs as well after Trading Sproles and get whatever I could for him (6th or 7th Rounder) .. then Dixon is the Featured RB in 2017
on DB Delondre Hall, I would groom at Safety
C/G Nick Martin would be RG from Day 1 in 2016 and then could be moved to Center to replace Kelce if Need be down the Road
Marx I would work out at RT and not LT and Dahl would be Guard to compete for Starters Spot in 2017
For our Offensive Line I really like;
1. Laramy Tunsil / Ronnie Stanley – 1
2. Vadal Alexander -G- LSU – 6-5 335 1-2
3. LaRaven Clark – G/OT – Texas Tech – 6-4 320 2-4
4. Denver Kirkland – G- Arkansas – 6-5 340 3-4
5. Jonah Austin – G- Nichols State – 6-6 330 6- FA
WR:
1. Tyler Boyd 6-3 215 4.4 – Pitt
2. Corey Davis 6-3 208 4.49 – Western Michigan
Everyone likes Laramy Tunsil & Russell Martin
Problem is that they will be gone within the Top 5-6 Picks with Tunsil possibly the Top Pick to the a Titans to help protect QB Mariota
The Eagles won’t have a Chance to Draft them so that’s why I don’t list either of them or DL J Bosa
Who do you like in the 10-14th Range for the Eagles to Select for both Tunsil & Martin are long gone ?
If we trade Kelly to Tennessee we will, but obviously that is a longshot. Trust me, I ‘m wishing…
My Targets in that range depending on needs of other teams would be Jaylen Smith, and or Vadal Alexander
2nd Round – obviously a trade would have to happen –
1. Hunter Henry – TE – Arkansas
2. Yannick Ngaroue – DE – Maryland
and you heard it right here first Joey Bosa will be the bust of the draft.
I don’t think highly of him at all….
I agree with you Cliff 100% about Bosa being a Bust
The troubled DT Nkemidiche of Mississippi has fallen but is an interesting Propect DB Jalen Ramsey DT A Robinson ILB Ragland , DE E Ogbah all look like Players that will do well in the NFL
TE Hunter could develop into a monster in the NFL, He’s Big, Athletic with great Hands and plays with an attitude… Eagles need to upgrade their TE
Hunter Henry is everything that Ertz is, and isn’t..
He can stretch the field with his speed, and catch the ball – very, very, well – and most of all he is a heck of a blocker – something Ertz will never be that handcuffs the Eagles from cutting Celek
Celek isn’t going anywhere to your disapproval, but like I said about Ertz years ago – he’s one dimensional – he catches the ball – so make him a WR, after we cut Cooper, and line him up where needed, but he isn’t a TE.
Gimme Hunter Henry
Offensive line prospects for Eagles outside of the obvious:
Jerald Hawkins OT 6’6″ 309 LSU
Ethan Pocic C/G 6’7″ 309 LSU
Kareem Are G 6’6″ 334 Florida State
Willie Beavers OT 6’5″ 309 Western Michigan
OLB’s
Johnathan Allen 6’3″ 264 Roll Tide!!!
Noah Spence 6’3″ 252 Eastern Kentucky
WR Quincy Adeboyjo 6’3″ 190 4.40 (40) Ole Miss Rebels
Safety
Keanu Neal 6’1″ 216 Florida
Jayron Kearse 6’5″ 220 Clemson
CB
William Jackson 6’1″ 185 Houston
Eagle I have Noah Spence on my mock for the 3rd Round, because of the seriousness of his off-field issues. If the Eagles are smart enough to go back to a 4-3, he could be an asset in their pass rush, along with my 2nd round mock of Maryland DE Yannick Ngaroue ………They MUST make a way to keep Vinny Curry, by cutting useless baggage, like Riley Cooper, and DeMarco Murray.
Kareem Are, is the way to go BIG Offensive Lineman, that can move is what we need. No more small, or unaggressive, lineman lacking physicality like Lame Johnson – a penalty waiting to happen.
This Draft is very thin at LB, so Spence is likely to get pushed up would be my guess… . This appears to be a Solid Draft for DT’s, DB’s but thin on Pass Rushers, 3-4 OLB’s
Offensively, lots of Good Interior OL (Center/Guards) but not many OT’s
Very Good TE Class and Good Receivers/RB’s but not as Deep as the past couple of Drafts.. QB Class is Below Average for the Short Term though it has some longer range potential
Overall This Draft is Average …
The Quality and Depth is at the DT,Center/Guard, DB and TE Positions
and then a Crap Shoot everywhere else once you get past the 3rd Round, maybe early 4th Round
Eagles have 5 Picks in the First 4 Rounds of the Draft.
1 in the 1st Round – 2 in the 3rd Round and 2 in the 4th Round so 5 Selections out of the Top 125 Players or so and they need to nail it this Draft
IMO, This is not a solid draft class at any position. Many have the potential to become assets, and potential starters – but they all need time.
Noah Spence is a DE, not a LB, and considering the risk of publicly dealing with off-field issues recently, teams are not going to risk draft any of these players before the 3rd or 4th Round.
The Eagles need to wheel, and deal, to get more draft picks….
Let go of players like Lame Johnson, Zach Ertz, Kiko Alonso, and Josh Huff for draft picks, and possibly players, and do some trading down for once……
and don’t let Chip touch the draft – Fire his tail!!!!!
Spence is 6-3 252lbs and projects best as a OLB in a 3-4 Scheme
He could put his hand on the ground and rush the Passer as a DE but at 252lbs he would not be an every down Player at DE for he would have a hard time setting the edge against the Run as a DE
Cliff stop will you! Between fraud doing 30 mock drafts of 7 players each mock for a total of 210 players (every player drafted) and you proposing impossible trades just stop. You will never get market for ertz or Johnson for example because they are about to be paid. Plus they both had good years. You don’t trade your best OL…EVER! Didn’t buffalo trade peters? How did that work out?
I don’t think Lane Johnson is our best lineman, I disagree. For me he is underwhelming as a physical lineman – he is a finesse blocker in Chip’s system, and a penalty waiting to happen…..I strongly disagree, and can’t be convinced otherwise.
There are young Free agent Offensive Tackles that are better than he is, and would come cheaper to sign than him by the time comes to redo his contract.
The Peters situation has nothing to do with this. They were in a cap situation, and Peters wanted to be paid. Lame doesn’t have that type of power, and he can be upgraded in my opinion – and we will just have to agree to disagree.
That being said Ertz, and Johnson both have the value need to return draft picks from the right teams – that’s a fact.
Ciggy Paul, is going to be Paul. He’s been doing this for what?…..the last 6 years. He enjoys what he does, what can I say….
You nailed it though…..a bunch of mocks with 7 different players, I know. I just requested from him to give a final mock with his definite prospects, and leave it at that. We’ll see if he can do it.
Paul, Spence is basically the same size as Brandon Graham, just a lot taller, and in a 4-3, he is a DE, just like Graham, but he is much more athletic, physical, and faster than he is……
So he is BEST suited as a 4-3 DE, but I wouldn’t have a problem with using him as an OLB.
Brandon Graham plays OLB and not DE for the Philadelphia Eagles GMCliff
Turn the Mummers Music Off , Its making you Crazy….. HA
I am looking at Spence as a 34 OLB who can get after the QB. Spence is not a finished product physically, he has the frame to add more weight. I would like the Eagles to become more physical and more physically imposing on the o line, but until Charles leaves that won’t happen. I think the whole interior..including Kelce needs to go…I would keep Lane on the right side and bring in a more athletically gifted O linemen for the left (if possible). I am not as hard on Lane as cliff is, matter of fact I have supported him, when playing on the left side he has looked good for the limited snaps he has seen there, however, if I can get a Ronnie Stanley then it’s a no brainer. If the Eagles lose Sunday..they may have a shot at him, if they in…no shot at all. The guys on my target list for the O line all fit the mold of what Kelly wants…except Kareem Are, but he is athletic enough to do what Kelly wants from his O line men.
Either way as OLB/DE Spence is a good NFL Prospect who will probably see 10-15-20 Snaps a Game as a Rookie as a Pass Rusher and then as time goes on and he gets bigger, strong and more experienced, he will get more snaps — He would be a very good Pick-up in the 3rd Round and could be Vinny Curry’s Replacement who probably will end up with the NY Giants in Free-Agency….
Word is Chip KElly is enamoed with 2 Oregon Ducks in this Draft
1st Round – DE DeForest Bruckner – Oregon (6-7 290lbs – Do Note the Eagles have both Cedric Thornton and Vinny Curry as Free-Agents, Chances are 1 of them will not be back, Bruckner becomes that replacment)
4th Round – OT Tyler Johnstone – Oregon (6-6 295lbs – Recruited to Oregon by Kelly, Obviously knows the System and very Athletic, similar to Lane Johnson that he relies on athleticism more than strength and can sometimes be overpowered at the point of attack by bigger,stronger players)
I would not be surprised at all to see Chip Kelly Draft these 2 Ducks …
@ Eagle, and Paul, Yes absolutely on Spence…..Except, I don’t want him to be Vinny Curry’s replacement, I want him to be his possible back up.
Just because you wouldn’t re-sign him Paul, doesn”t mean that they shouldn’t – and they can afford him, if they want to keep him – which they should.
All Chip Kelly’s Oregon Prospects stink as pros – Which is why he should be fired, and never dictate a draft ever again – I’ve had it with his stupid vision.
paul, I saw those guys being mocked to Eagles on walterfootball.com mock draft. Nothing would surprise me..especially not that. But I would be pissed as I do not think either are NFL impact prospects..like Cliff says…just more mediocrity.
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December 29, 2015 – 11:57 am
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Brandon Graham plays OLB and not DE for the Philadelphia Eagles GMCliff
Turn the Mummers Music Off , Its making you Crazy….. HA
Sometimes a person can be so consumed with getting their point across, that they fail, and neglect to pay attention to the detail that are communicated to them…….I distinctly stated in a 4-3, ….he is a DE,…..just like Graham….in a 4-3, I say because that’s the personnel that they are suited for.
I know he is an OLB in a 3-4….thank you Paul……pay attention bruh…..
That’s right Eagle!!!!…more mediocrity!!! ….That’s all we will get from Chip Kelly in the draft.
The Eagles Don’t Play a 4-3 Cliff, so you think they will now change to a 4-3 Scheme because of Spence… Its not happening… Spence is not a 4-3 DE Everydown Player at the NFL Level
The Eagles play a Base 3-4 Scheme but will send in 4 Pass-Rushers in Obvious Passing Downs.. Sometimes the 4th Pass Rusher (Graham or Barwin) will come in from a DE Position with a hand on the ground or from standing up from OLB Position, same difference .. but in a base Defense
in a 3-4 Teams have their DE’s at 285-290 lbs to contain the edge and not 255 lbs .. This is why Curry sees so little snaps.. and why he probably will not be re-signed by Chip Kelly….
now that chip is gone we will be in a 4-3, and we will re-sign Vinny Curry, and maybe even take a shot at Ziggy Ansah when he becomes a free agent……and stay away from Oregon in the draft
It’s all possible now that Lurie did the right thing firing Chip….
DE Mario Williams wants out of Buffalo
DT Mohammed Wilkerson wants out of NY and isaPhilly Guy
DT Malik Jackon a free Agent from Broncos
I like Jackson, but the other 2 will cost more money. So I re-sign the untapped potential of Vinny Curry at a cheaper price tag.
Cliff, that is one of the best parts…no more Oregon players!!!
EAGLES ARE THE CLEVELAND BROWNS IF THEY DONT DO ALL OF THE FOLLOWING AT BARE MINIMUM
DEMOTE CHIP FROM GM
FIRE BILLY DAVIS
LET BRADFORD WALK
CUT COOPER
and Releasing D Ryans (Saving $4.5 Million) and Try to Trade B Celek and D Sproles to get some Mid-Round Picks back…
no those 3 moves dont save the eagles from becoming the browns. not at all
These are In addition to what you had listed above ..
Getting these 3 players off the Payroll gives the Eagles $14 Million more under the Cap and hopefully a couple of Mid/Late Round Draft Picks ( 5th or 6th) so it’s a Win-Win for a Team that’s clearly Rebuilding in 2016 .. Why keep Ryans, Celek or Sproles for the 2016 Season? Let them hook up with Winners to try to get a SB Ring before hanging them up, for its not happening for Philly in 2016 anyways
ur talking about freeing cap space and formulating your arm chair gm plan. I AM FUCKING TALKING ABOUT MY TEAM NOT BECOMING THE RAIDERS/BROWNS OF THE NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DONT GIVE A “RATS ASS” ABOUT ANYTHING BUT DOING WHAT IS NECESSARY TO NOT BECOME THE BROWNS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND CELEK SPROLES ARE NOT IN THAT EQUATION.
AND CELEK IS NOT TRADE ABLE – 7TH IF UR LUCKY
Actually Celek has some Trade Value — More so than Ryans
Lots of Teams had issues at TE this Season and especially with inline TE’s who can block… Go as the Giants, Ravens,Jets,Bears,Packers,Falcons,TB Bucs, Texans,Broncos or Cardinals if they would not be interested in having Celek on their Team…. Most Teams Utilize and Play 2 TE’s these Days so there would be a Strong Market for him..
Sproles could still Return a 7th Round Pick and Help a Team Out
D Ryans is probably finished and needs to retire
Screw pursuing other Teams Garbage (Free-Agents) The Eagles need Draft Picks and then need to nail their Draft Picks and Select the right type of Players
You over value him fraud… It’s a $$$ thing, teams won’t want him for the same reason you think e eagles should trade him. They will wait for him to be cut.
I think Celek is due $5 Million in 2016 with Zero Cap hit if Released so
he’s a goner either way.. They can make some calls to attempt to Trade him which the should His Salary is most likely too high for his age and production, Eagles could then resign him for half that Salary which is a similar deal with Sproles who is set to Earn $4.5 Million
Both Players are at the end of the line, A Team needing that 1 player or 2 could be interested in a late round Pick, but not at their Current Salary
I expect both to get Released and especially if Kelly Re-Sings Bradford for they will need the Cap Space ..
Flip flop, you said he had value
Celek has Value, now whether his Value is Worth $5 Million is up to Teams to decide.. Trhe Eagles Signed him to this amount so someone though he was worth that.. All I know is that there is a real shortage of in-Line Blocking TE’s who can also go out in and catch the Ball which Celek shows thta he can still do.. As I stated, a ton of Teams have a real lack of Depth at TE’s and then there were many who were injured and went down and would have loved to have him, the Blocking TE is really a lost art and many Team still employ a Blocking TE as part of their Scheme.. Would I pay him $5 Million, No I wouldn’t but maybe a Few Teams around the NFL would.. if I couldn’t Trade him, then I would simply Cut him, same with D Sproles who I would attempt to Trade first, then if no connection, then I Cut..
Celek has no real value, and his blocking skills are in decline…no one is going to give you a lot for Celek…the Eagles may as well keep him squeeze another year out of him and draft another tight end next year….too many holes to full at wideout, offensive line, and linebacker…
LOSER OF GIANTS EAGLES PLAYS RAMS IN LONDON – NOT SURE WHICH TEAM WOULD LOSE THE HOME GAME
ALSO EAGLES IN RUNNING FOR HARD KNOCKS WITH 12 OTHER TEAMS
What an appropriate monicker..hard knocks..
and the Eagles have 2 – 3rds, and 2 – 4th round picks this year.
Denny, your article is a massive waste of time and completely unrealistic. Lurie is not going to respond in a knee-jerk fashion and fire everyone to begin fresh. He has to much organizational invested in Kelly right now…it makes no sense to fire him one year after giving him the power.
You may as well have called on Lurie to sell the team get new ownership that takes the team in a completely different direction…its not going to happen!
Once you come out of fantasy land and into the real world here is what the Eagles really need to do.
1. Re-sign Sam Bradford
2. Get Bradford two starting caliber wide receivers
3. Improve the Offensive Line..Add some depth to the Offensive line get rid of Dennis Kelly, look for a tackle to replace Jason Peters
4. Get help at linebacker
5. Get rid of Riley Cooper
These moves have to be done through free agency and the draft…no grabbing of injured players…we need healthy strong contributing players…talent…
Come out of fantasy world and deal with the real Denny!
Wow that sounds nothing like what you were saying in the offseason you know when you were chanting daily it’s all on chip now it’s put up or shut up and so on. Time for this fraud to be held accountable in some capacity.
U know what else is a massive waste of time and completely unrealistic ? You’re opinion on all matters football and likely everything else in your life. You’re wrong about virtually everything u write. And have been wrong on at least a dozen qbs.
You wanted
Tak Boyd
Ej manual
Johnny drunk
Mark Sanchez.
Geno smith
Sam Bradford.
You know nothing about football and everyone laughs at you every time you post.
well mhenski…we all know that your a pervert and a racist…
so a lot of people puke when you post
The reality is that everyone who is honest will be wrong on about football issues from time to time…unless they are flip-flop artists like you
Also your are a lying ass like many on who I ‘wanted’ for Qb…
I wanted Mike Vick…he got hurt
I thought we should have drafted a mobile QB like EJ Manual, Taj Boyd all in later rounds to groom…I never said I wanted Geno Smith…and I said that if Mark Sanchez took us to the playoffs last year…he should be given in competition with Foles for the starting job this year…he then sucked badly and I said that both Sanchez and Foles suck.
I do want Sam Bradford…he has earned the job..he played well against the Redskins…not his fault we lost…Sam Bradford has improved consistently, showed leadership, makes accurate passes, and good decisions…he is the best available QB for the Eagles-period.
Your an idiot and a fool mhenski and everyone is disgusted by your very presence-you know nothing about sports, life, or anything else
Your not funny or smart…just an ignorant, racist pervert.
Happy Holidays
Kool ..lets stop with the we want Sam mantra..we have zero leverage in that outcome..very much because. Of chip. Our inexperienced GM.when he first came here from the Rams we held all the hammers ,we decided not to ask that he. Restructure his. Deal ..he ,had no leverage ,at that time..why ? You might ask? Didn’t chip do this? Because. He had no intent in keeping him ..But once he. Got played he still could have been fiscally creative..abject failure..he had buyers remorse ,because he lost MM…your quote makes no sense ..he earned this job ? It wasn’t his fault we lost ? Well wasn’t it his fault we didn’t win..? You have no clue what he’s asking as a ransom ? We are probably the least likely of the other teams needing a QB ..because his $$ will never address all the holes. We still have..he’s overpriced ..and. He’s not giving this organization,a home town discount ,for the good. Of the team..so now …assuming I’m correct ,what’s your reevaluation of chip the GM and coach..Bradford doesn’t fit this offense ..Murray doesn’t fit this offense ..sproles is grossly under utilized..celek isn’t helping to compensate. For the poor guard and tackle play..this is a simmering heap of garbage …sM eating up almost all the cap dollars has had the opportunity to prove. He can’t take a bunch of guys and. Elevate them ..why go down that road again?
deserteagle, reality has to set in at some time. I want Tom Brady as the QB, and Bill Belicheat as my Coach…unfortunately they are in New England and are not available. Chip Kelly failed as Coach, as GM…there are no excuses..the Eagles lost and it is on Chip Kelly.
But what can you say Lurie will do? Are you honestly predicting he’s going to fire Chip Kelly? We all know the answer to that question…NO.
With Chip Kelly as the Coach the only realistic option at the QB spot is Sam Bradford and they will have to pony up and give him some big bucks…bottom line. Bradford wasn’t interested in signing a deal when the Eagles had the leverage, he wants to do a deal now. He doesn’t want to play in another system for another team…the Eagles will either sign him to a 3 year deal or franchise him.
Chip Kelly has already made it clear…he wants Bradford. Unlike what he did for Foles where he would never commit to him…he has committed to Bradford with clear statements that he wants him back. In the biggest game of his career… he got hit constantly, his wideouts dropped the ball consistently…yet he hung in pocket made good throws, made good decisions and threw for 380 yards with no interceptions
So stop with the “Bradford doesn’t fit the offense”…He fits the offense just fine, he simply needs what any QB in any offense needs…talent at the wideouts and good offensive line play which he didn’t get this year. When we look at his year in total considering that he hasn’t played in two years, new to the offense with zero wide receivers on the outside…Bradford fits the offense good enough…no one can “elevate” a team in the absence of play makers…the Eagles just dont have enough of them. If you are keeping Kelly (and the Eagles are not firing the Coach) then you have to give him the QB he wants..and that’s Sam Bradford!
“he has earned the job..he played well against the Redskins…not his fault we lost…Sam Bradford has improved consistently, showed leadership, makes accurate passes, and good decisions…he is the best available QB for the Eagles-period.”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it were up to me, I would blow the whole thing up and start over with a ne coaching staff. What I want to happen is for Chip to be gone, but that won’t happen. Billy Davis is our only hope for getting fired and that may not even happen. I would not sign Bradford to a big contract, but I would franchise him for next year only because there are so many holes to fill. Can’t stand Bradford as our QB, but it may be the best option for next year. Get some O linemen, wide receiver’s, a defensive coordinator, and maybe a line backer and hope for the best next year. Safety is the only position on the team that has gotten better under Chip, he has weakened every other position on this team in his three seasons, how much more culture can we take? Sad time to be an Eagles fan.
You know what’s really weird?….. Ray Rhodes had the same exact records as Chip has in his first three season with the exception of the tie in 97 I believe.
95: 10-6
96: 10-6
97: 4-9-1
98: 3-13
I really hope Jeffrie digs far back in the time capsule and realizes it just isn’t worth having Chip around another year.
We just have to give it one more season and chance. One more draft and one more training camp. Bradford improved dramatically as the season progressed showing that he was gaining str and confidence in his knee and the offense. The more he got used to the personnell around him, the better players like Jordan Matthews looked. Bradford showed he wasn’t scared to keep.throwing little check down routes as the year went on. He threw 10.ints the first part of the season and cut that down dramatically to 3 and really only 2 if u exclude the Celek int In the Buffalo game.
Even Aaron Rodgers struggle when the weapons around him are not playing well and Brady as well. The WRs have not helped him all season long with drops and drops touchdown and balls bouncing off their hands for Interceptions. How could you possibly judge him just yet? GI’ve the man another year removed from his Injury, another offseason and a better oline with better understanding of the system and personnell.
Anybody who says he didn’t play better as the season went on is just to bias to say so. They genuinely hate chip kelly and just want him gone and they just won’t accept the fact that the former number 1 overall pick has amazing talent and just has had crappy luck.
Playing on a team with nobody and with 3 different offenaive coordinates in 4 years. They were not going to compete with that 49ers team.and young and upcoming Seattle. Now he has finally gotten somewhere where he can learn a system with the same personnell and we already want to abandon ship 110 percent? U give it time. Let them.developed chemistry together.
We lose next week and get a top 10 pick and take the best player available idc if it’s a wr or rb. Addresses the oline in draft and free agency.
Paxton Lynch? ??
QB Lynch & J Goff will likely be the Top 2 QB’s Taken in the Top 10
(Browns, Cowboys & 49ers) are very likely to Select QB’s early on
With the Rams, Chargers, Bears, Eagles & Texans all needing to add a Young QB in the Early Rounds..
I don’t think you understand. This team can only get worse. There’s literally no upside on this team. It has to be broken down. We can’t even draft defensive players that fit the scheme we currently run. Marcus Smith was a pure 4-3 pass rusher we are asking him to drop into coverage. Having Bradford hanging around will make no sense what so ever why do we want to even have an 8-8 season next year with so many holes. This team must enter a complete rebuilding mode.
“Bradford improved dramatically”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“the former number 1 overall pick has amazing talent”
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only “amazing talent” he has is leading the league in Garbage time tds to Matthews down 30!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I hope that’s not a bad omen. Right now, 3-13 looks like a strong possibility for next year!
Disagree. The 3-13 total collapse led to the most sustained period of Eagles success any of s has ever seen.
Total collapse MUST happen again….and the best chance of that happening is if the fraud retuens.
Kelly in 2016 for abject failure!!!! I am in!!!!! Only hope for the future!!
Does anyone on here actually believe that that Chip is capable of cleaning up this mess that he made and righting the ship in the time that he has left on his contract? Do you still want him for your head coach?
I think Chip has a chance to right the ship if some breaks go his way…he needs to acquire better talent at the wide receiver. But I know one fact for certain…his ‘culture’ stuff will not work as long as Riley Cooper is on the team.
Cooper undermines what Kelly preaches as far as culture. His terrible play undermines Kelly’s credibility. He’s a cancer and he cant play…cutting him would give Kelly a much needed boost with a number of players on the team.
This draft and free agent period is critical to our success…we need to add talent that can play…simple as that!
I agree 100% about Cooper, he should have been gone long before the comments. There’s a lot of players that can’t play along with coaches that can’t coach on this team, what a combination! It all leads back to Chip, he’s the one who made this mess and the cause of the problems. So far his culture in the NFL is building a team of losers. This team is regressing instead of progressing. I am sure we are stuck with him for at least another season, so we’ll just have to see what happens. I need to see a lot of improvement before I drink the Kelly Cool-Aid
I think your way overstating the impact Riley Cooper makes in the Lockerroom
Only 12 Players even remain on this Eagles Team from the Summer of 2013 so for any of these new 40 Players, all they know about Riley Cooper is what they see day in and day out and a player competing..
I believe it’s time to cut the chord for his lack of Talent & Ability but not this Stain the Locker a Room Garbage from 3 Summers ago while attending a Concert and obviously Drunk.. If Cooper was a real divisive figure, he would not have lasted this long without other issues or fights or comments or fights or anything… It’s way time to bury that lame ass excuse in 2015 going into the 2016 Season.. Cooper is simply not good enough, has no upside and a ridiculous Contract whenCooper had a hot 5-6 Game stretch when Foles was playing out of his mind
I agree this goes far beyond Cooper. We have missed and overshot on draft picks for a decade. We need actual Football Minds here not Financial Executives that are good with salary caps.
paulman once again, you got it all wrong. You are severely understating the impact of Riley Cooper in the Locker room! Every player on that team knows what he said, there is no one in that locker room who doesn’t. There is not a black player on that team that looks at Riley Cooper and doesn’t think this guy is a racist. They will look at the fact that he was drunk like truth serum that reveals his true thinking. When Players go into reflective modes about what wrong with the team and the Coach is preaching ‘culture’-Riley Cooper stands out as a guy who is a closet racist yet has been handed a starting job on the team.
To overcome the stain, Riley Cooper needed to play well to make big time catches…he failed miserably and had so many key drops…he is pathetic…yet he kept his job when he should have been cut right along with Miles Austin.
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Coach Kelly undermines his own credibility by keeping Riley Cooper on the team..The Players are thinking rightfully or wrongfully in the locker room…hey…you kept this guy who we see everyday and know he’s a bum who can’t play…pay him far more than what he is worth…but you dont resign Jeremy Maclin who was way more productive. You get rid of DJax…but you keep this guy Cooper who stinks…
You get rid of Shady McCoy…the all time leading rusher…but you keep Riley Cooper as a starter
Shady McCoy’s Chip Kelly racist comments extend directly from a number of African American players on the team thinking about Riley Cooper…right or wrong..Chip has a serious credibility issue in the locker room in large part because of the cancer that is Riley Cooper.
As a Coach, Chip Kelly needs to reestablish credibility by cutting Riley Cooper as soon as possible…he should cut him right after the Giants game and send a message to the locker room…
Hot air, if you follow the sixers I’m sure you are aware that Okafor said the same thing in a similar circumstance. Should his team mates hate him?
I just don’t think Riley Coopers from 3 years meant that much to anyone in that Eagles Locker Room .. He needs to go for he’s not a productive Football Player, plain & simple… The entire episode has been so overplayed by so many people with agendas that it’s not even worth commenting on anymore…
A Drunk White Guy at a Summer Concert and yells out the N Word…
Wow .. You would think it was the end of the world to some…
Meanwhile Athletes in many Sports call each other Names on the practice field, B-Ball Courts , During Games, talk about their Moms, Sisters, their Unles and its ok and all part of the Game andCompeting and getting a mental edge over your opponent or a way of letting steam go..
The garbage between Beckham & Norman was worse than anything that Riley Cooper ever said, but no one in the hood wants to talk about that garbage display of sportsmanship .. I guess it gets overlooked since it was black on black and OBJ is a very popular Player in the Largest Market in the NFL
Groups who want to play the Victim from Riley Coopers Comments, so be it..
Coopers an Ass on how he behaved, so what, there’s lots of ass’s in Sports and in Life
Yeah….what he said
Who gives a shit about Beckham and Norman? What impact would that shit have to do with the EAGLES locker room? Way to deflect there buddy, Cooper also made an ass of himself talking about Maclin’s money, talking about culture my ass. I forgot he blocks well on bubble screens.
Big you know how that game is played, who likes to play it and why!
paulman, that has to be some of the most ignorant babble you have ever spewed. What we are talking about is Chip Kelly’s credibility in the locker room.
Riley Cooper destroys his credibility.
Riley Cooper racism is not the ONLY issue. Its a combination of factors that undermines Chip Kelly’s credibility before the Players. Its his notions of “culture” which is very intrusive and controlling; AND Riley’s extreme lack of production while remaining a starter COMBINED with his racism.
Throwing Beckham and Norman in this discourse is absolutely stupid.
Beckham and Norman are Pro-Bowl Players that we would take at the drop of the hat. …if Riley Cooper were a Pro Bowl player…hell even a half decent receiver who deserved a starting job the Players would have no problem with him whatsoever…Hell, Id take Richie Incognito at guard with the quickness. I have no problem with racist, nasty, dirty players with bad character if they can PLAY!!!
Chip Kelly on the other hand pushing ‘character’ and ‘good guys’ while keeping a racist on the team that CANT PLAY!
Big Difference…very big difference!!
Let me get this straight Okafor saying the exact same word in a drunk circumstance is ok right? These rules are a bit confusing…. Bad words are somehow ok for some, not for others… Weird man
The word is used everyday…we all know that. Did Okafor use it with racial hatred given it’s historical context..or did he use it as how the word is used on the street. I know how Riley used it. It is ok to be confused as you lack the exoerience with the word from an urban cultural context. For the record I do not care to be called it nor do I use it…but you can be educated on it’s usage if you are confused.
THERE HOPEFULNESS NEWS..NFL satellite radio reports Kelly has thrown a gauntlet…he’s spun the fact that if anybody asks or insists on any coaching changes..he’s not wavering as GM.im sorry but this dude is more a potential cancer than any drunk bigot.i.m.o.
And for the record I have heard white males use the word…but in the context that it is used in on the street..and the black males around them did not get pissed off nor were they bothered by it….Riley’s use was racially disparaging, vile, and he wanted to commit violence with that in mind as he threatened the security guard doing his job. Pman..being drunk brings out what is on a persons mind and in their heart…alcohol is truth serum. Being drunk is a tired and lame excuse now days.
I thought the context was 2 over privileged athletes in a over active, drunk, male hormone world used a word while in a confrontational situation. One was fine for using it the other will forever be condemned … Stupid PC world we live in…. Grow the hell up! We have a guy on here that actually thinks a player being called a faggot is a reason to go off? I will guarantee this, in the everyday world of an nfl player in the position groups of WR and DB they hear that word plus the N word 100 times a day EVERYDAY. As for my background I’ve been called the dreaded ‘N’ word at least 100 times, usually preceded by the ‘F’ word, always by an out of control ‘student’…. Yawn
Some of you guys rant and rave, judge and name call everyday on here and then try to take a moral stand…too funny!! It’s not my concern as to how privileged someone is or is not…people have altercations in sports just as people do in real life…because they are people.
Its not weird at all haveablunt…Okafor’s use of the word is meaningless, a white man’s use of the word is different and has a higher level of offensiveness due to the historical context of African-Americans in this country.
Intelligent people realize there is a context to everything….If I call my wife a ‘fat ass’ in the privacy of my home in a joking context or in the context of my relationship with her…it is acceptable to me and her…however, that relationship does not extend to you…even if you have heard me call my wife a ‘fat ass’…so If I hear you calling my wife ‘fat ass’ and I punch you in the face….the cry that I called her a fat ass simply does not work
So the comparisons of Riley Cooper to Odell Beckham and Norman or Okafor are simply ignorant
However, again…to me Riley Cooper or any other player can be as racist as Donald Trump, attend Klu Klux Klan meetings in white sheets, join the Aryan White Brotherhood and chant ‘White Power” with Nazi swastika tattoo’s and Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” listed as their favorite book….if he catches passes, run good routes, and makes plays sign him up…I wont vote for him invite him to dinner, or wear his jersey but if he catches touchdown passes for the Eagles I’ll cheer…but if he drops passes, never gets open and stinks…THEN his racism is an issue for a Coach who talks about ‘character’ and Players ‘buying’ in…its a real hard sell and I think again…the Players are having a hard time buying in to what Chip Kelly is asking of them.
Cut Riley Cooper and improve your relationship with the Locker room…its as simple as that!
A word is a word
Second, if OBJ was being called a ‘faggot’ on the field…he sure handled his business! Give me that guy any day of the week!
I could care less about Rily Cooper for he adds nothing to the Team,but I am also tired of hearing the same old “victim cries” time and time again about a White Drunk Saying the N Word .. Get over it, there is Racism all over the Place which I personally don’t agree with using that kind of language, but People say dumb shit all the time.. it happens to me and you like it does to everyone else …. I want Cooper Gone because he Stinks as a Player Not because he said the N Word ..
Now if there was a Pattern of Cooper saying or exhibiting behavior that was racially motivated or degrading then that’s a different story ..but heres what I recall in Coopers 4-5 Years with the Eagles . He Said the N Word while Drunk at a Concert at the Linc and joked about Maclin’s Salary… Wow.. that’s a bad dude, Lock him up, hold a Black Life Matters Rally, Burn Down a mall, I am tired of the political correctness bullshit that goes on in this Country… I really am,… Someone gets their Feelings Hurt, Pull the Plug..
Nice rant now again that shit has nothing to do with how the players felt in the locker room your comments just confirm your ignorance.
Boy we have some overly sensitive fellas on here… Name calling is now a huge crime …so if they called him a faggot it’s ok that he lost his composure and hurt his team? Wow, my only guess is that you have never been on an athletic field, faggot is mild, N word is mild, getting it in with someone’s mom is getting warmer…. Wow…really, calling a player a fag on a football field excuses behavior? Just unbelievable
This under 30 Year Old Crowd of Today would have never have made it out alive back in the Day HAC.. The Entitlement that these Kids of Today have is unbelievable…
Go Play your X-Box & Madden Games and Fantasy Football but never played Ball on a Team in your Life… and Pull your Damn Pants up already ..
Good Grief…
haveablunt, maybe if you one day came out of the fog of ignorance that descends upon you and fraudman, perhaps you see an issue with some clarity.
However, your so stuck on stupid it is hard to pry you away from that state…we know your problem is the overuse of narcotics, however no one can figure out flip-flopping fraudman’s excuse…
Fraudman, we do understand that people say ‘dumb shit’ all the time…all we have to do is look to your posts. However, your defense of Riley Cooper is absolutely ridiculous. As African-Americans, believe it or not, like it or not-many of us know a rabid racist when we see one. When you get drunk and drop the ‘N-word” in public, we know that this is not simply a ‘slip of the tongue’ a ‘mistake’…but a strong indication of how you really are…the African-American players on the team know this…but guess what…they wouldn’t care if the guy made plays on the field to help them win ballgames.
But again, what you simply cant get through the fog of your ignorance is that Chip Kelly damages his own credibility when he talks about ‘culture’ and keeps a bum ass, racist Riley Cooper on the team.
Talk of ‘culture’ and ‘character’ goes in one ear and out the other…because you rewarded a racist and failed to keep TWO more talented receivers, Djax and Maclin.
It looks bad, it stinks, it undermines your ability to get the Players to buy in to what you are selling to convince them they can win..that your methods have credibility.
You and haveablunt can try all you want to ignorantly connect this to Odell Beckham. If Players have been taunting him and suggesting that he is gay to get under his skin and disrupt his concentration…who cares…but that issue is irrelevant to the effort of trying to develop team chemistry and building a team that can win. The Coach needs credibility, the Players have to trust that the Coach is committed to winning…Riley Cooper makes it hard for Players to buy in…so Chip Kelly should have cut him right along with Miles Austin…and he definitely should cut him now…not because he is a racist…but because he is a racist who cant play. If he was a racist who could play-I’d say keep him, sign him to a long term deal…but…he is a complete bum and again…HE UNDERMINES THE COACHES CREDIBILITY IN THE LOCKER ROOM
Once again I will state for the record
I do not support the language and racial slurs & behavior that Cooper used
I also believe that 3 Years later that the Team, Coach’s & Owner Lurie have all moved on front he incident
If Riley Cooper was such a real divisive distraction on or off the field, he would have been long gone already
The Players, Coaches and Organization all have moved on from 3 Years ago But it seems like some can’t and will use Coopers use of the “N” as some type of excuse on why the Team doesn’t play hard or trust Chip Kelly..
I don’t like R Cooper as a Player period as he brings little to nothing to table as far as I a concerned, but in terms of a distraction, a locker room cancer or undermining Chip Kellys Leadership, I say Bull Shit !!!
Guess what? Moot point hehehehehe.
Some More Great Stats about this Eagles Team
Since Week #11
Eagles Defense has Allowed 36 Points per Game and a Whopping 157 Yards Rushing a game which means you are beating no one Playing Defense like this in the NFL
Now for the Offense
The Eagles Have Punted 43 more Times than they have Scored TD’s in 2015
This should be a real Eye Opener on How Well Chip Kelly’s Schemes don’t really work in the NFL
Listening to 97.5…Eagles just released Chip Kelly!!! Fired!!!!!!
I SAY AGAIN …CHIP KELLY AND ED MANOWITCZ HAVE BEEN FIRED!!!!!
PAT SCHURMER WILL BE THE INTERIM HEAD COACH FOR GIANTS GAME!!!!
I give credit to Jeff Lurie..he had the vision to see what was wrong and had the balls to admit his blunder and correct his mistake!!!!
His mistake is not corrected until he gets a new Coach…what direction are the Eagles headed in now…?
Shocking!…I dont believe it!
Ding Dong the with is dead the mean old witch the wicked witch
Andy Reid is 46-26 in December… Interesting