• November 22, 2024

The Sixers Did The Right Thing With Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel

NerlensNoel&JahlilOkaforI think the Sixers did the right thing by not trading Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor during this past week’s draft.  I would have understood them trading Noel as compared to Okafor because Noel isn’t much of a scorer.  Okafor has the potential to be a 20-point a game scorer.

Noel has the potential to be both an outstanding rebounder and defender.  He may never be a prolific scorer, but rebounding and playing defense are extremely valuable to a good team.  He’s also a very good athlete who can run the floor and fill the lanes on a fast break and of course he can finish around the rim.

Okafor is only 20-years old and he already has the footwork and scoring ability to force NBA teams to double him in the post.  While in college, he showed he has the ability to pass out of the post if he is doubled.  I could see a good NBA team running a good portion of their offense through him.   Remembers he’s only 20-years old, his potential is enormous, so you only trade him for a great asset of some kind.

In this situation the Sixers did the right thing by holding onto their young big men because the offers they were getting weren’t any where near being good enough to give up a talented young big man in the NBA.

Another huge reason they need to keep Okafor and Noel is because we won’t know the real deal about Joel Embiid until he plays through the 2016-17 season.  I’ve said numerous times that “Big man and Big feet don’t go well together”.  We all know the stories of Andrew Bynum and how his bad feet forced him to end his career prematurely.

What about about Yao Ming and the quick end to his career because of foot problems?  What about Bill Walton?  Big men and bad feet don’t work well together.

Although, Embiid has been working out and having no problems with his feet that we know of, he’s still in jeopardy of re-injuring his feet when he starts stressing them during a season-long 2016-17 schedule.  It’s better to be safe than sorry.

The Sixers need to continue to develop Okafor and Noel, so that regardless of when they decide Embiid’s foot problems are over they will be able to deal them for valuable trade package.  Okafor needs to improve his defense and rebounding.  I would like to see him get stronger and in better shape.  He needs to learn how to play good team defense.

Noel needs to develop his offensive game, so that he can consistently connect on short jumpers, as well as scoring out of the post with his back to the basket.

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gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 10:04 am

I don’t know why Phoenix wouldn’t have taken the same deal for Noel, that they offered the Celtics, if they the Sixers were truly interested in drafting Kris Dunn.

I don’t think they were trying to get Dunn at #3. I think Boston drafted who the Sixers wanted at 3, and it through off their objective.

I really think they liked Dunn, and could still get him, if they want him bad enough, but they will have to give a little – the Lakers pick, or a future draft pick.

With all those resources – picks, players, salary absorption – There was no reason why they couldn’t have made a deal of some sort.

paulman
paulman
June 27, 2016 10:39 am

Maybe Phoenix and Colangelo simply didn’t want to work out a Deal Together
due to old feelings about his leaving/termination from the Suns?

Also I tend to agree with you that Jaylen Brown may have been the 76ers Target at #3, #4 or #5 and we willing to make a Deal to Get him, but once the Celtics took him at #3, they went back to Plan B ..

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 10:59 am
Reply to  paulman

The point of my question Paul was based on the fact that Boston wasn’t going to draft a guard with all the guards that they have. So why strike a deal with Boston to draft Kris Dunn.

Old feelings have nothing to do with business. The way I see it, Phoenix has no talent. Booker – overstated, Bledsoe – overrated, Brandon Knight – overused/outdated; They needed a Big man – Noel, or Okafor would have been able to help…..Phoenix, Minnesota, or New Orleans all could have used them.

I wouldn’t have entertained the thought of trading Okafor, but I darn sure would have got rid of Noel….

paulman
paulman
June 27, 2016 11:53 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Obviously Phoenix did not think very much of Nerlen Noel’s Future Upside and that he was not worth a High Draft Pick to Trade with the 76ers for him.
Phoenix Traded up from #8 to #4 with Sacramento to Draft Big Man Dragan Bender..

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 12:04 pm
Reply to  paulman

We don’t even know if Noel was even offered to the Suns – Heck, I don’t think Noel is worth much, but he is almost the exact player that they already have in Tyson Chandler – So, I doubt if that is the case of them not liking his future potential, with him being younger than Chandler…

But do you agree Paul, that they still have to make something happen??

paulman
paulman
June 27, 2016 12:41 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

They need to add 2 Guards — A True PG and a Shooting Guard
They can’t move Okafor until they know about Embiid which will take a full Season to determine..
Noel on his own is not Returning a Top Player .. 76ers would have to add one of their Future Top Pick’s + Noel to get somebody Decent ..

In Free-Agency
Demar DeRozan would be awesome, but Toronto most likely will re-sign him
Bradley Beal is good, but most likely stays with the Wizards
Mike Conley would be a nice fit for the 76ers and their Bigs

Some 2nd Tier Guards out there who could be short-term Players at a Reasonable Cost
Guard Courtney Lee.. Nice Size, Physical, Can play Defense but is a Streaky Shooter..
Then there is E”Twaun Moore, Ty Lawson, Austin Rivers, Troy Daniels all with baggage and up and downs in their Career’s ..

As Henski mentioned above, I think the 76ers end up keeping all their Bigs for 2016 and get Simmons/Saric assimilated to the NBA Game and then make their move next Off-Season to “Balance out” this Roster

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 4:55 pm
Reply to  paulman

I really think they didn’t want to trade Okafor. Noel was the one they were shopping hard.

I have no problem with them sweetening a trade with future picks, and Noel to get what they need. I wouldn’t trade Okafor, who has way more talent.

Beal would SEEM to be their best option at SG. DeRozen would probably want to be on an established Playoff team.

I don’t like Mike Conley a little bit; I think he is completely overrated as a player, and not even close to a Max Player. I hate the thought of him on this team. He’s just a name not a franchise changing option. I don’t like him.

Austin Rivers, isn’t an NBA Level player – I stated that the year he was drafted. Everybody thinks all these prospects skills translates to the pros until they get on the court – Nope, and none of the other options would work for me. That’s why they have to try to get Dunn; It’s not too late.

But they have no choice but to put the full court press on Bradley Beal; There are just not many options.

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 11:06 am
Reply to  paulman

Mhenski, asked me for some insight before the draft on Jaylen’s draft status, and I told him what he told me – That Kris Dunn wasn’t the target. He said the Sixers were going to attempt to try to trade up for him – not Kris Dunn – and that I think that’s exactly what was happening.

But Boston also liked him, and wasn’t going to make the deal unless the Sixers gave up some future draft picks – Which didn’t work for the Sixers, because, they would have only strengthened the future of the Celtics; which was counter productive for them, and I agree.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 27, 2016 7:09 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

there is something wrong with you, serious mental problems. You never talked to Jaylen Brown, you don’t know Jaylen Brown. Jaylen’s father lives in Hawaii. He was sitting with him and his other son, Jaylen’s brother in Brooklyn during the draft with his ex-wife and mother of Jaylen who you never met. Reality is a wonderful thing, join the real world.
why isn’t being you good enough?

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 11:08 am
Reply to  paulman

They can still get Dunn, but they will have to give up at least one of those future picks, or the Lakers protected pick. But, I think they have some prospects in mind already. Perhaps – Josh Jackson, and another prospect, or two…

mhenski
mhenski
June 27, 2016 12:19 pm

I no doubt wanted the sixers to cash in and move oak or noel for buddy or murray. but the reality is noel doesnt get you a top 10 pick let alone a top 5 and you cant just give away oak without something bigger than a top 5 or 7 pick but other teams arent ready to pay a premium for him yet (they will in due time tho)

if we made one of the rumored deals it wouldve been great from a entertainment standpoint but the way i see it now we keep all the bigs and dont cash them in until joel shows something and teams are ready to pay big for oak… now next year we have 2 shots at a top 3 pick (ours and the kings) and the lakers pick is still there…we in good shape for a 2020 title run which always was the plan

mhenski
mhenski
June 27, 2016 12:20 pm

man the kings should really trade cousins that roster is awful

CT
CT
June 27, 2016 1:01 pm

Cannot complain about this move at all.
They still might make a move and trade one of the big men obviously. But who knows?

I say keep all three this year just to be 110 percent sure you know what we have. See if a Oak and Embiid lineup could work with bringinging Nerlens off the bench. Or vice versa. We’re not goIng to the finals this year so Brett brown can play around with this roster for a while and see what’s best.

Show case their talent and see if u can get a better offer for next season and next draft. Don’t forget these players are all still VERY young.

Draft ur guard of future next year while Signing A few FAs..

Emiids foots problem is overblown. He young.. Very young. And has had 2 years to learn and spectate while healing at the same time.

Yao Ming played for eight years, and Andrew Bynum got his rings and his money and just didn’t give a damn anymore..

Didn’t Kevin Durant have the same injury a embiid?

The sixers took their time with him. And joel is going to be fine. Just like nerlens has been fine since his acl.

paulman
paulman
June 27, 2016 1:11 pm
Reply to  CT

2017 Draft Stacked with Top Guard Prospects
Josh Jackson – Kansas
Markelle Fultz – Washington
Frank Ntilinka – Belgium
Lonzo Ball – UCLA
Dennis Smith – NC State
De’Aron Fox – Kentucky
Grayson Allen – Duke
Dillon Brooks – Oregon

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 27, 2016 5:09 pm
Reply to  paulman

I’ve been talking about Josh Jackson for 3 years now – love’em.

But Terrance Ferguson is the best shooter in that draft class.

The other players you have on your list – Fox, Ball, Smith, and Fultz – It remains to be seen how good they really are, but most of them are Point Guards. My hope is for Fultz, or Ball to be successful, because of their size – 6-6, and 6-5 PG’s

Grayson Allen, and Dillon Brooks are not immediate NBA Roster Players; D-League prospects.

I am interested to see the progress of EC Matthews of Rhode Island after his injury – also 6-5 at the point

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 27, 2016 7:34 pm
Reply to  paulman

I think Dennis Smith hurt his knee last season. Sixers won’t take chances again on injured draft picks after Nerlans and Embiid.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 27, 2016 7:32 pm

Brandon Jennings, Jeremy Lin, Matthew Dellavedova, Dion Waiters, Eric Gordon, Arron Afflalo, Jeff Green, Kent Bazemore will be the players the Sixers offer a max money 2 year contract. 2 of these players will accept the sixers offer because the offer will be so much more than anyone else will offer.

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 9:50 am

“Brandon Jennings, Jeremy Lin, Matthew Dellavedova, Dion Waiters, Eric Gordon, Arron Afflalo, Jeff Green, Kent Bazemore will be the players the Sixers offer a max money 2 year contract”

huh????????? they gonna offer one of those loooooooozahs max money? u high?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 28, 2016 12:13 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Yes, Sixers have to spend 55 million this year and they aren’t accepting Danny Granger, Andrei Kirilenko and JaVale McGee to get there this time around.

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 12:23 pm

holy shit they do got a lot to spend. However

“The salary floor, or the minimum amount teams will need to spend on payroll next season, is now $84.6 million. There’s no penalty if a team falls short of spending that amount; in the event that occurs, the team simply cuts a check for the rest and those dollars get divided among the players who finish the season on the roster.”

pdiddy
pdiddy
June 28, 2016 5:33 am

I read the sixers will take a run at Jordan clarkson.

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 7:12 am
Reply to  pdiddy

I wish Dario makes his damn mind up, colangelo pushing his buttons to get over here now saying they might not need him next year, I’d go after bazemore and Clarkson is not a bad choice but only for Noel not oak then your staying 5 would be pg Clarkson sg bazemore sf Covington pf Ben Simmons and center oak, then have emblid ,stauskus, luwawa and furkan and Sari off bench , that’s a pretty good roster for now

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 7:18 am
Reply to  zilents44

I’m telling yawl right now don’t sleep on furkan the guy is a smooth athlete who shoots the three with high form and quick release , and luwawa is the perfect 3 and d guy right now, furkan is coming over right now he is pissed he got picked so late, his body is slender but 10 to 15 mins off bench will be good for him at NBA level

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 7:20 am
Reply to  zilents44

I’m so excited for the sixers we are young and finally have talent, I’m definitely more excited for sixers more so then the eagle s

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 9:22 am
Reply to  zilents44

I was at the draft Z, and when he was drafted -Furkan Korkmaz, is his name , the first thing you heard from all the scouts, and news media around the tables was Manu Ginobilli, with a more consistent jump shot…..

I think the Sixers did their homework, but he still needs time to get accustomed to the NBA style of play but a very underrated pick, I agree.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 28, 2016 12:08 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

LOL, at the draft next to media members? sitting next to Tyler Dorsey, Juwan Carter and Jaylen Brown. What a dingbat. did you see Elvis and little green Martians in your apartment too that night ?

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 7:24 am
Reply to  zilents44

Probably keep Canaan for bu pg but offense will run through saric and emblid on second unit with luwawa furkan , and Canaan as catch and shoot players

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 7:29 am
Reply to  zilents44

Just thinking about the lineups we could do gets me going man, we can go big if needed and run pg Clarkson, sg luwawa, sf Simmons, pf oak and center emblid then come back and go small Clarkson, sg Canaan sf bazemore pf saric and center Ben Simmons

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 9:25 am
Reply to  zilents44

Jordan Clarkson, and Bradley Beal, wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize in free agency for the 76ers – and would be immediate starters in the backcourt.

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 9:52 am
Reply to  zilents44

i highly doubt saric comes now. way i read it he would lose money by doing so and now he got noel, embiid, simmons & oak in front of him unless he can play SF which ive read he cant. idk

the delay is probably b/c he will come if they move a big and not come if they dont

paulman
paulman
June 28, 2016 10:01 am
Reply to  mhenski

You may see the Knicks,Nets or Celtics make an Offer for Dario Saric

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 10:14 am
Reply to  paulman

Why Paul?

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 10:26 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Bulls GM Gar Forman said the Bulls were not shopping Jimmy Butler on draft night.
“We like Jimmy Butler. We didn’t shop Jimmy Butler,” Forman said

I hope you see it now and have given up on Butler now Cliff

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 1:51 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I heard that too Big Mhenski, but he has to say that, But that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t shopping him..

He also stated that per KC Johnson
K.C. Johnson
✔ ‎@KCJHoop

Forman: “When you have a special player like Jimmy, in order to move him, it’s got to be something that knocks your socks off.”
12:16 AM – 24 Jun 2016

That tells me that they were shopping him but didn’t get the right deal.

He said he wasn’t shopping him tongue in cheek – That’s all that is bruh.

paulman
paulman
June 28, 2016 11:22 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Because these Teams could use help and depth along their Front Court
Knicks & Phil Jackson were reportedly interested in Saric back when he was Draft Eligible
Nets & Celtics are both heavy with Guards and will need to move some of them

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 1:52 pm
Reply to  paulman

okay, we’ll see…

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 11:22 am
Reply to  mhenski

Henski I’m at the point where he better come this yr he is a man of his word and told us two years ago he would be here for this upcoming season, he better come now because if emblid is the real deal and Simmons then he will not be as needed so he better come now

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 11:31 am
Reply to  zilents44

i wouldnt be surprised if the sixers tell him to stay 1 more year either…

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 11:40 am
Reply to  mhenski

What are you talking about henski colangelo just said yesterday he better come this season

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 9:27 am
Reply to  pdiddy

Love it Diddy…

zilents44
zilents44
June 28, 2016 11:29 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Damn sad news buddy the legendary defensive coach for eagles passed I expect to see a lot of dedicated games to buddy this season

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 28, 2016 12:03 pm

Colangelo is still shopping Okafor and Noel for a “position balanced team”
NY Knicks hope Noel doesn’t land in Boston and leaves Philly, they would rather Okafor have to defend Porzingus the next 5 years.

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 2:39 pm

WHERE THE FUCK IS JON HART???????

CT
CT
June 28, 2016 2:54 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Quit bashing on Okafors defense.

He’s 20 years old for god sakes. Lol.. Give him some coaching and time and he will improve

Biglion821
Biglion821
June 28, 2016 3:27 pm

Cliff, what do you think about Crabbe from Portland I think he’d fit great with his catch and shoot game. I even like Fournier in Orlando but he’ll cost too much. I just don’t know where they’re going to find a point guard. BTW I also think if they would’ve moved up to 3 it would’ve been your son.

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:40 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

What’s Up Biggie??!!

I don’t like one year wonders like Crabbe, they rarely duplicate their previous seasons; I need to see him do what he does more consistently to think he’s worth a max contract –

Many had the same feelings about Nik Stauskas game, and I stated that he wasn’t the player some thought he would be – Buyer beware of him, and Fournier.

I’d go for quality – Jordan Clarkson, and Bradley Beal would be a fine backcourt for the Sixers – a lot better than the garbage many on here are suggesting.

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:43 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

BTW, it would have been Jaylen – not Dunn, had they moved up to 3, but I do think they would have been more willing to trade some of their future draft picks for Dunn to the Timberwolves had they gotten Jaylen.

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 3:42 pm

Throughout the night
When there’s no direct light
And a thin veil of clouds
Keeps the stars out of sight

I can smell the colors
Outside on my lawn
The moist green organic
That my feet tread upon

And the black oleander
Surrounded by blues
I’m soon overwhelmed
By olfactory hues

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 3:44 pm

Brett is in the bathtub
making soup for the ambassadors
and I am in the hallway
singing to the troubadours

The kings are all lined up
outside the gate
and the autumn bells are ringing
but they’ll just have to wait

Where is the joker?
Have you seen him around
with his three coned cap
that he wears like a crown

Have you seen his stripped stockings
and heard his sad tale
about the kids under the carpet
and the purple humpbacked whales

Here come the ambassadors
they show up one by one
Brett is tasting all the soup
to see if it is done

Wendy’s on the windowsill
waiting to be let in
and we’re all in the bathtub now
making bathtub gin

The kings storm the hallway
they’ve climbed up through the gate
they didn’t mean to be impolite
but they just couldn’t wait

Here comes the joker
with his silly grin
he carries a martini
made of bathtub gin

Here comes the joker
we all must laugh
cause we’re all in this together
and we love to take a bath.

paulman
paulman
June 28, 2016 4:22 pm

Rumors have 76ers going hard after Forward Harrison Barnes of the Golden State Warriors.. Another Forward, who doesn’t Defend or Rebound Well or Create for himself… He’s a Decent Shooter but this makes little sense when you have Ben Simmons, Dario Saric on your Roster….
Good Grief…

Biglion821
Biglion821
June 28, 2016 4:37 pm
Reply to  paulman

Hell no on Barnes, he was exposed during the last 2 rounds in the playoffs.

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 4:46 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

gotta target

beal
parsons
barnes
crabbe
clarkson (although not a fan)

if we gotta get to that floor you gotta get at least 2 of those

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:34 pm
Reply to  paulman

If they do sign him, for me it is a real indication of what kind of GM Brian Colangelo is – because that would be pathetic…

mhenski
mhenski
June 28, 2016 4:46 pm

The 76ers and Kings reportedly have interest in signing restricted free agent Dion Waiters this offseason.
Waiters is hopeful to return to the Thunder, but the Kings or 76ers could offer him more than he’s worth to try and change his mind. Waiters would have the opportunity to start with either of the aforementioned clubs, although that won’t necessarily translate to standard league value for the career 41.1 percent shooter.
Related: 76ers
Source: Michael Scotto on Twitter
Jun 28 – 4:44 P

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:28 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Waiters is a waste of roster space – not anywhere near worth a max contract either

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 4:54 pm

More Sixes News***

According to my sources, not only are the Sixers expressing strong interest in SF Harrison Barnes, but I’m also hearing they have interest in SG Dion Waiters

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 4:55 pm

Gotta sign Barnes and Waiters. Both can score the ball

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:32 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

NO to both of those scrubs……and they can’t really shoot either

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 4:56 pm

Barnes is a shooter. Dion can shoot the ball as well

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 8:44 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Neither is a shooter – They can shoot, but are not marksman shooter by any stretch of the imagination – You’re totally overrating both of them, and there are better options than both of them.

zilents44
zilents44
June 29, 2016 6:12 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Hell no to both I’m with Cliff get beal and Clarkson I hate Barnes and especially waiters, I’d go bazemore over them also, for god sake Covington is better then Barnes

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 4:57 pm

I didn’t like his attitude in the playoffs though.. came off pretty selfish.. Barnes is someone I really want them to sign

paulman
paulman
June 28, 2016 4:57 pm

I like Free-Agent Guard’s Mike Conley & Courtney Lee to work with the 76ers Young Front Court of Simmons,Saric,Okafor, Noel & Embiid…
Still Keep Covington, Ish Smith to run the 2nd Team, maybe Stauskus
and then Draft their Guard’s of the Future in the very Deep Guard 2017 Draft

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 5:17 pm
Reply to  paulman

We already have our point guard, Ben Simmons… now the Sixes will add a pg that isn’t ball dominant… look for that to happen

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:29 pm
Reply to  paulman

Conley, and Lee are garbage for the direction they want to take this team – NO THANK YOU…

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 28, 2016 7:31 pm
Reply to  paulman

And NO to Stauskas too….more garbage..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 28, 2016 10:12 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

maybe the Sixers can trade a future 2nd for that hot garbage Kevin Looney and Noah Vonleh you wanted ?

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 5:12 pm

Nice little nucleus around Simmons and Embiid that we’re forming if they get them then bring Saric over..

pdiddy
pdiddy
June 28, 2016 7:02 pm

I’ll take clarkson over waiters

pdiddy
pdiddy
June 28, 2016 7:38 pm

To think the sixers may have the number one pick next year too. Right now it looks like Sacramento is going to suck. All hail to Heinke

pdiddy
pdiddy
June 28, 2016 7:41 pm

I need to apologize to Heinke, when he quit I ripped him good on here. I became impatient with the process, I was wrong. ALL HAIL TO HEINKE

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
June 28, 2016 8:08 pm

Both are head and shoulders above anything we have at guard or forward now outside of Simmons. But Barnes was exposed big time. Don’t want him. I’m willing to take a flyer on Waiters.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 8:08 pm

Waiters definitely isn’t getting a max deal

Nor should Barnes but that may be the only way to snatch him from the Warriors…

Barnes won’t be the go to guy here either, he’ll be asked to spot up and shoot. Yes he had a rough playoff/ finals, but I think he was just struggling. That wasn’t him.. Also he’s only 24 years..

If and when they do give Barnes a deal, it’ll be for a 2 year max offer, not 4 years. Sixers want flexibility in the near future..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
June 28, 2016 8:25 pm

Everyone keeps saying “Barnes was exposed” Huh?!

I just don’t call missing open shots as being exposed, he just missed alot of shots that he hit all year long

I’d sign him in a heart beat. 24 year old knock down shooter with potential to grow and mature

If you remember, in there run to the championship last year, he was making everything all over the court. This year he struggled. It’ll have little if any effect on him getting offers

I do think that he and the Sixers are a match and will happen

Huge indicator was the Jerry Colangelo USA invitation to Barnes..

I love it!

Not bad having Jerry run the USA team and have his son running the Sixers..

Things are looking up guy!

I told you!!!

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
June 28, 2016 8:50 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

He was exposed. He like many of the guards/wings in this league, is overrated and a byproduct of a guard centric league that believes small ball is the wave of the future. It aint, and you’ll be doing no more than overpaying like you did with Iggy. If it’s a reasonable signage for some veteran leadership like we already have with Carl Landry, okay. Otherwise, look around this league, do some research in regards to impact on games (Nerlens steals and blocks) (OK4 offense) and get back at me where all these other juggernauts are producing likewise.

Biglion821
Biglion821
June 28, 2016 9:21 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Jon, hell no to Barnes at a max contract, I could be added to the Olympic team and be productive. Barnes is okay we need better than okay, hell TLC will be a better player in a couple years.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
June 28, 2016 10:12 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Barnes is not a max contract player. He is vastly overrated and they would be panicking if they pursued him. This would be a classic Coangelo move though, so I wouldn’t be suprised.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
June 28, 2016 10:15 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Max contract for a guy who averaged 12 points a year. WTF? You give a max contract band on performance and not on potential.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 28, 2016 10:45 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Harrison Barnes = Byron Maxwell with a loaded seahawk secondary.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
June 29, 2016 10:46 am

Spot on dude. Spot on.

Hopefully they don’t make this mistake.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
June 28, 2016 8:41 pm

Any suggestion that nobody wants any of the bigs the Sixers have after only one aspect (The draft) of player acquisition, is either a troll or in and above their head in regards to bball IQ. We haven’t even gotten to phase 2. And for what it’s worth, anyone giving credence to the likes of the Suns supposedly turning down a deal for Noel. Well lets just say, it explains why they’ve been stuck in mediocrity since Nash left. This league is so devoid of talent in the paint, that Tim Duncan has to play into his 70s and the Spurs made acquiring Aldridge their #1 priority, not some overrated guard or wing.
Nope I’ll just wait for a few more inept GMs get fired for mimicking clueless fans and media heads, instead of building a team around sound bball principles. Outside of Cousins, there isn’t a big I’d trade any of ours for.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
June 28, 2016 10:35 pm
Reply to  coldbrewski

A lot of Centers will be switching teams this year some team will get left without a big in the West where Aldridge, Cousins, Towns and Anthony reside. If you have to face one of them in the playoffs you better have a big to tangle with them.

paulman
paulman
June 29, 2016 11:32 am

***New Paulman Rumors****
Lebron James and Dwayne Wade discuss about coming to Philly to Play for a Season to see what Happens as they are both looking to play with each other again but don’t want to remain in Miami or Cleveland and want something new..

mhenski
mhenski
June 29, 2016 3:11 pm

Solid article on ESPN about hinkie

haveacigar
haveacigar
June 29, 2016 4:26 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I’m not a process guy but that was a very FAIR article…

zilents44
zilents44
June 29, 2016 6:20 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Hell hinkie

paulman
paulman
June 29, 2016 10:07 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

It was a good article on Hinkie, it will be interesting to see if he gets another chance to be a GM again in the NBA..

zilents44
zilents44
June 30, 2016 10:58 am

Uh oh finally I trade I agree with from Toronto, Noel for Corey joseph, Terrance riss( on a a 2 yr deal worth 10 mill a yr) and clippers first rd up pick or even better Noah Powell who had a great playoff run this season, plus Ross is a electric athlete who can put major points, (51, with him getting 20 shots a game here he should avg 18 at least, and Corey Joseph is very serviceable

zilents44
zilents44
June 30, 2016 10:59 am
Reply to  zilents44

I’ll even throw in stauskus to sweeten it a tiny bit

mhenski
mhenski
June 30, 2016 2:35 pm
Reply to  zilents44

51? What’s that mean ?

zilents44
zilents44
June 30, 2016 6:00 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Sry he scored 51 in one game before

mhenski
mhenski
June 30, 2016 2:38 pm

From barstool. Good read imo

Let me start by saying I hate conspiracy theories. I think they are a crutch for weak minded people who are just trying to find some justification as to why their life sucks. I avoid conspiracy theories like the plague, and if you’re a conspiracy theory guy, my respect for you will always go down a notch or two.

So you can imagine my disdain when I found out that the Sixers owners had quite literally conspired with Adam Silver to oust Sam Hinkie. From the ESPN article that came out today:

(BLOCK QUOTE)
“Adam Silver admitted to reaching out to Jerry Colangelo on behalf of the Sixers’ owners in December. But interviews with more than a dozen league sources — including GMs, other executives and agents — suggest that the commissioner’s involvement in that regime change may have been greater than he has let on.

Some sources claim Philly’s ownership group had grown impatient with Hinkie’s lack of a clear timetable to be competitive and had been worn down by constant criticism. Others suggest Silver pressured the 76ers into making a change.”

These absolute motherfuckers. Now, not only do I have to grapple with the fact that I’m the idiot ignoring the conspiracy, but now I have to come to the grips with the fact that Adam Silver has been chasing down Hinkie just to fuck him over.

The crux of the article stressed that Silver’s qualms with “The Process” weren’t the diminished ticket sales or Hinkie’s less-than-friendly relationship with the rest of the league. He was afraid it would work. Silver was afraid that the Sixers would see their losing and asset acquisition through to a point of such success that it would beget copycats across the league.

If I heard something like “Adam Silver made Sam Hinkie resign because he thought the Sixers were going to do too well,” and I would gut punch whoever told me that conspiracy nonsense and call them a moron. Now the hard truth is more apparent.

Sam Hinkie was operating within the rules of the league: the team with the worst record gets the highest percentage shit at the top pick. And, from the article, “over the past five seasons, more than 60 percent of the players who made an All-NBA team were top-five picks (and 76 percent came from the top 10).” Correlating the two doesn’t take a Hinkie-level-genius.

Speaking of, that was part of everyone’s problem with Hinkie—many of the owners thought that Hinkie believed he was smarter than everyone else. Sooo they got mad? It doesn’t really make a bunch of sense. “Oh, this guy who’s job it is to make smart decisions thinks he’s smart. Let’s get him out of there.” What kind of insecure bullshit is that? I half expect these owners were snitching on Hinkie like a jealous contestant on the Bachelorette running to Jojo about how entitled they think someone is. Ok dude? What does that have to do with you doing your job?

If you ask me, I want my GM to think he’s smarter than Stephen Hawking. That’s how you get an edge. What, is he supposed to go into trade negotiations with an “Awe shucks, I hope I don’t get swindled” attitude? I want my GM doing the swindling. And if other GM’s don’t like the attitude, guess what? They don’t have to make a deal with him. All this complaining is just making the rest of the league come off as mental midgets. Just because Vlade Divac got duped by Hinkie by trading a glut of draft picks for Luka Mitrovic, do we really have to lose our Hinkie privileges?

What really bothers me is, at the end of the day, the Commissioner is supposed to work for the owners. So the thought that Adam Silver might have the Sixers’ owner’s ears, as opposed to it being the other way around, is deeply unsettling. Adam Silver should not be telling the Sixers how to run their franchise. Especially through the suggestions of personnel. Imagine if Silver was setting up Kevin Durant and the Lakers the way he was arranging Jerry Colangelo and Josh Harris’s meetings? If I heard that, I know what I would do; dismiss it as a conspiracy. We’ve got Silver playing Yente the matchmaker over here setting up grown men on blind dates.

Frankly, if the Sixers wanted to be a shit franchise for the next 20 years, it is not Silvers prerogative to tell them otherwise. Sure they would hear backlash from the fans and take a hit on the bottom line, but it is not Adam Silver’s franchise. In fact, circuitously, he is employed by it. And from the rest of the league’s perspective, wouldn’t one less team with a legit shot at the Finals be a good thing?

But endless ignominy wasn’t even Hinkie’s end game. It was just one of patience. It was an unspoken contract upon which the Sixers and their fans had agreed. We were just living lean for a couple years while we saved up for that mansion. And now the league is telling us that you’re not allowed to get mansions that way? Bullshit.

haveacigar
haveacigar
June 30, 2016 3:08 pm
Reply to  mhenski

silver does work for the owners…. the other 30 out voted the sixers… a group of billionaires conspiring because one of them is putting out such a poor product it tarnishes the rest (in an already watered down and tarnished league)– i said yesterday the article was fair– but in the game of sports to plan to lose and lose badly is a slippery slope, even in such a BS league as the NBA– when you trade young players who can help you win games for FUTURE players who may/maynot help you more is sketchy at best.

paulman
paulman
June 30, 2016 3:39 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Just another reason to not Support or Follow the NBA very much..

mhenski
mhenski
June 30, 2016 4:25 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I don’t think the other owners voted on anything and when they had the chance to chance the lotto system they didn’t change it…

haveacigar
haveacigar
June 30, 2016 5:04 pm
Reply to  mhenski

“Vote” is used figuratively….
They did not change it…. It’s a shit league
Fraudman you correctly pointed out that you don’t follow it…so stop commenting on players who you never see.

mhenski
mhenski
June 30, 2016 11:15 pm

Sounds like in about an hour sixers gonna offer Harrison Barnes 5 years , 115 million.

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 30, 2016 11:34 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I told you Mhenski, that Brian Colangelo was gonna screw this up…

Harrison Barnes is a decent player, but not hardly worth those numbers even with the objective of over paying him – ridiculous – He’s not a good GM, just another recycled name in NBA circles .

I would prefer Crabbe, instead of him, Clarkson, and Beal.

Options like Courtney Lee, Dion Waiters, Mike Conley, Jeremy Lin, Kent Bazemore, and Austin Rivers, are exaggerated, and desperate moves that stink, and shouldn’t be considered.

gmcliff
gmcliff
June 30, 2016 11:35 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

prefer Crabbe, along with Clarkson, and Beal…

mhenski
mhenski
June 30, 2016 11:52 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Beal gonna take a 5 year max from dc by morning

Lakers will match any offer for clarkson he ain’t going nowhere

I like crabbe

Also was looking at Seth currys numbers at the end of the year when he started and he lit it up. Never paid him any mind but was impressed at his lines.

Bottom line we gotta keep all bigs hope they’re all good then flip 2 of them for a top 3 pick next draft or a star

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 10:46 am

**NBA Signings — No surprises Yet

Forward Joakim Noah sings 4 Year $72 Million Deal with Knicks as expected
SG Nic Batum sings a 5 Year $120 Million Deal with the Hornets
Guard Jeremy Lin signs a 3 Year $36 Million Deal with the Brooklyn Nets
Guard Derozan Re-Signs with Raptors 5 Year $139 Million as Expected
Guard Bradley Beal close to Re-Signing with Wizards as Expected

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 12:45 pm
Reply to  paulman

More Signings
Pistons Sign for 76ers Guard Ish Smith to a 3 Year $18 Million Deal
Pistons Re-Sign Andre Drummond
Heat Re-Sign Hassan Whiteside
Lakers Sign Center Timofey Mozgov to a 4 Year $64 Million Deal
Chandler Parsons offered a Max-Deal from Portland Trail Blazers but still has a meeting with the Memphis Grizzles

76ers are talking to 2 Guards….

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 12:46 pm

Pacers Sign PF/C Al Jefferson to a 3 Year $30 Million Deal

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 12:48 pm

Guards E’twaun Moore & Cortney Lee are on the Radar for the 76ers

gmcliff
gmcliff
July 1, 2016 1:10 pm
Reply to  paulman

Thumbs down……………not worth it

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 1:30 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

76ers may end up having little choice to Fill out their Roster … The Top & Good Ones are choosing Other Teams as expected…

Mac Dolo
Mac Dolo
July 1, 2016 2:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

No shit paulman the drunk most everybody knew the Sixers were at best going to sign 2nd and possibly 3rd tier free-agents to fill out their roster. You babbling old idiot they just came off a 10 win season what top tier free-agents did you expect them to sign fool?

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 3:14 pm
Reply to  Mac Dolo

I don’t expect them to sign any Top Tier Free-Agents and have stated so for the last 3-4 Years since they have been so poorly run as an Organization that no up and coming Player wants to even come to Philly.. Half the guys the Draft don’t even want to play for them.. They have a Ton of $$$ to Spend and have Huge Needs at both Guard Positions so they should be able to still attract a Tier #2 Players since they can Overpay for that Player and for that Player, they would be guaranteed lot of Playing Time ..

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 1:28 pm

Lakers Resign Guard Clarkson to a 4 Year $50 Million Deal

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 1, 2016 2:08 pm

My source is telling me the 76ers and Jerryd Bayless have agreed to a 3-year $27M deal

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 1, 2016 2:38 pm

Check this out!!!

Jerryd Bayless posted an eFG% of 67% on catch & shoot jump shots in the half court this season (top 3% of NBA) up from 41% last year.

This team gonna be filled with shooters all around Simmons and Embiid

Let’s freakin go!!!!

pdiddy
pdiddy
July 1, 2016 6:15 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Thank you Jerryd Bayless for coming to Philadelphia, only him and Dion waiters wanted to come here.

pdiddy
pdiddy
July 1, 2016 6:17 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

It’s starting to look like Okafor and Noel are not as valuable as we thought.

mhenski
mhenski
July 1, 2016 6:33 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

1 will get moved soon.

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 3:31 pm

NBA Signings

Guard Evan Turner signs a 4 Year $75 Million Deal with Portland Trail Blazers
Parsons chooses Max-Deal to Sign with the Memphis Grizzlies
Evan Fournier signs a 5 Years – $85 Million Extension to remain with Orlando

and this is part of what makes the NBA a Joke.. .

pdiddy
pdiddy
July 1, 2016 6:26 pm

Man we couldn’t even get Jeremy Lin

mhenski
mhenski
July 1, 2016 6:33 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

We showed no interest

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 1, 2016 6:37 pm

Dwight Howard has reached agreement on a three year $70.5 million with the Atlanta Hawks

mhenski
mhenski
July 1, 2016 6:40 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Sucks for Atlanta and sixers best not get Rubio he’s Awful

gmcliff
gmcliff
July 1, 2016 11:21 pm
Reply to  mhenski

or Dion Waiters…..

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
July 3, 2016 2:34 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Waiters is no worst than the rest of these 2nd and 3rd tier junk that these idiots seem to think are difference makers. these guys are mostly Carl Landry types, but are being hyped up by fantasy geek forum types and idiot bloggers trying to appear like legit reporters. I’ll take a Waiters on a cap friendly Bayless like deal than overpay for an overrated Barnes.

gmcliff
gmcliff
July 3, 2016 10:20 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

Well Brewski I respect your opinion, but you are in the minority. I don’t think he’s worth having on the team period.

I’ve never liked his game- at all – his stats aren’t really saying anything to me, because he’s one that try’s to pad his stats by gunning taking ill advised shots that play outside the scripted offensive game plan. He’s really not even a good player. I said that when he was overdrafted; and my opinion hasn’t changed – and won’t.

I hear what you’re saying about all the other less talented players getting paid un worthily, but that doesn’t mean Waiters should be paid either way on my team, because I also have the option to save my money until something worth it comes along.

and Dion Waiters isn’t worth it.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
July 5, 2016 4:51 am
Reply to  gmcliff

NP Cliff I respect your bball analysis. But we can disagree on this one. One question? Why are you entertaining fraudman? He knows absolutely nothing about basketball. I mean nothing…..lol.

paulman
paulman
July 1, 2016 6:39 pm

Noel’s & Covington to T-Wolves for Guards Rick Rubio & Tyus Jones

gmcliff
gmcliff
July 2, 2016 1:49 pm
Reply to  paulman

where is the equal value in that deal????…

Tyus Jones stinks Paul….I TOLD YOU SO….Deal sucks

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
July 5, 2016 4:54 am
Reply to  gmcliff

See what I mean bruh? This mofo just offered up Nerlens and Roco for slop….lmao

pdiddy
pdiddy
July 1, 2016 7:05 pm

Mike Connelly 5 yrs 153 mil god dam

gmcliff
gmcliff
July 1, 2016 11:20 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

Wasted money on a mediocre player at best Diddy…….Glad he played someone else for a sucker.

pdiddy
pdiddy
July 2, 2016 6:30 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Agreed

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 1, 2016 11:32 pm

Source told me the Sixers showing interest in Rajon Rondo

paulman
paulman
July 2, 2016 8:20 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Rondo is a Locker Room Cancer and does not make anyone better around him… He Runs the Floor well, plays in open court well but poor defensively
Stay away!!

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
July 3, 2016 2:38 am
Reply to  paulman

Outside of a few issues with his coaches that saw him benched, Rondo’s issues have never been his play. He’s never been a great shooter, but he has elite playmaker and set up ability. AND HE’S ALWAYS BEEN AN OUSTANDING DEFENDER from the pg position.You know nothing about basketball, but keep posting…smdh.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
July 3, 2016 5:19 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

Rondo’s problems are clearly not with his play…the question would be can he get along with the Coaching staff…the notion that he is a poor defender is ridiculous the weak part of Rondo’s game is his jumper

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 2, 2016 11:18 am

Sixers Hot Free Agency News***

I’m being told from my source that the Sixers have given contracts to both Jamal Crawford and Allen Crabbe

Jamal is expected to sign it any time now

As for Crabbe, the deal that the Sixers offered is said to be “extremely difficult” for the Blazers to match due to the money either the first 2 years or the last 2 years. I’m told it’s a four year almost Max contract

If the Colangelos pull this off.. they’ll be viewed as geniuses

I’m also told that the Sixers have made significantly huge offers to other notable FAs and are just waiting for a response..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 2, 2016 2:09 pm

Sixers also showing strong interest in SG Courtney Lee

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 2, 2016 2:29 pm

That deal with Crabbe is all but done.. I’m hearing that Crabbe and Sixers are finalizing the 4 year deal. The Nets were another team in hot pursuit but I’m hearing that the Sixers just offered more money and Nets weren’t willing to go as far..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 2, 2016 2:44 pm

The Crabbe deal may have fallen thru. Blazers may still match any offer and I’m hearing the Sixers have no Interest in a sign and trade. They may be looking elsewhere

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 2, 2016 2:50 pm

Arron Afflalo has agreed to a two-year $25M deal with the Kings

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 2, 2016 3:06 pm

Orlando Magic have agreed to terms on a 4-year deal with Bismack Biyombo.