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Aug 11, 2016; Philadelphia, PA, USA; Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz (11) warms up before action against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

Aug 11, 2016; Philadelphia, PA, USA; Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz (11) warms up before action against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

Defense Anchors Eagles To Critical Win

Jim Schwartz deserves a ton of credit for today’s win.

The Eagles’ defense played their best game of the season, holding the NFL’s best offense to just 15 points, under half of their season average per game.

Even more remarkable was that Schwartz was working without Nolan Carroll, who left the game with a concussion, and Leodis McKelvin was still hampered by his hamstring.

The Eagles ran a lot of effective blitzes that forced Matt Ryan to throw the ball early, disrupting his timing and forcing some key incomplete passes.

Julio Jones still got his, and finished with an impressive statistical day, but Schwartz’s group kept the Birds in the game and did an absolutely tremendous job on one of the league’s elite.

Ryan Mathews Reemerges 

Under heavy criticism for how he’s handled the running game, Doug Pederson entered this game with a plan to get veteran Ryan Mathews involved in the offense again.

Mathews was the focal point on the team’s opening drive, carrying the ball seven times for 34 yards and a touchdown. The former Charger finished the first half with nine carries for 56 yards.

Mathews brought a power-element back to the offense that had been sorely missed over the last few weeks. It was easily his best performance on the season, and as an Eagle overall. Mathews finished with 108 yards and two scores.

Also notable was that Pederson made a concentrated effort to get Wendell Smallwood more involved as well. The rookie took five carries the first half for 17 yards. Smallwood was equally involved in the second half, finishing with 70 yards on 13 touches.

It was refreshing to see Pederson go away from featuring Darren Sproles as the lead running back, and incorporating some of the other players on his depth chart.

Eagles Continue To Make Crushing Mistakes

The Eagles misplayed a number of opportunities presented to them in the first half.

Carson Wentz has looked more and more like a rookie as the season has gone on. There were moments today where Wentz held on to the ball too long. He also made the mistake of throwing the ball away too soon at the end of the first half, providing the Falcons an opportunity for a hail mary. Wentz also turned the ball over with a careless fumble, providing a scoring chance for the Falcons.

But Wentz wasn’t alone in critical errors.

The Jordan Matthews’ drop before the half was absolutely outrageous. Matthews was all alone in the center of the field, and allowed the pass to bounce right off of his hands. Later in the game, useless wide receiver Nelson Agholor dropped a key pass that would have extended a drive late in the fourth quarter.

Caleb Sturgis also missed a field goal attempt earlier in the half.

It was a sloppy first half that saw the Eagles’ defense do their job, and hold the high-powered Atlanta offense to just two field goals, while the offense was only able to generate seven points. This is the mark of a young, inexperienced team with few playmakers.

 

Quick Thoughts

Offense

  • Jordan Matthews’ drops are becoming the stuff of legend. Seriously, its hard to imagine that this guy was a second-round pick. To be fair, Matthews had an anotherwise solid game, but he’s easily one of the most unreliable wideouts I’ve ever seen.
  • Alan Barbre was out once again with a hamstring injury. Stefan Wisniewski started a second straight game. The offensive line worked well today, opening plenty of opportunities for Mathews and the running game.
  • Darren Sproles was used properly this week, primarily featured as a receiver out of the backfield. Sproles registered eight catches for over 50 yards.
  • Zach Ertz was a factor for the second straight week, putting up 55 yards on six catches.
  • Dorial Green-Beckham has been invisible the last two weeks. He’s failed to record a catch in either game.
  • Bryce Treggs wasn’t targeted once throughout the game, which was disappointing after his impact last week.

Defense

  • Brandon Graham continues to play at an elite level. Graham had a sack and several hurries in the first half alone, and also made a couple of nice plays against the run.
  • Connor Barwin has been playing well of late, and picked up another sack today.
  • Still bothered by a hamstring injury that has been recurring all season, Leodis McKelvin was able to suit up and start the game. McKelvin did well to fight through the injury, and made an interception to seal the game.
  • Devonta Freeman was held to just 49 yards on 12 carries.
  • Vinny Curry continues to be a non-factor in the pass rush, but he has improved in run defense this year.

Special Teams

  • Caleb Sturgis had been having a great season, but missed a critical field goal in the first half.
  • Najee Goode should probably be released after the absolute boneheaded 15-yard penalty he picked up for a late hit in the fourth quarter.

Final Thoughts

After two horrible gameplans, Doug Pederson bounced back with a very encouraging performance.

His offensive gameplan going in was sound, planning to run at the weak Atlanta defense and do their best to control time of possession and keep the powerful Falcon offense off of the field.

The offense still showed their youth at times, but the coach didn’t make the backbreaking mistakes that he had made in the previous weeks.

The Eagles finally finished a game, and rallied to win a close one in the fourth quarter. Home field has become a major advantage in Philadelphia again.

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vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 13, 2016 5:17 pm

Well. Wow. Was that not the best first drive any of us have sen for the pat decade. Brilliant.

The game play was $$. What a commitment to the run.

Wentz, again…..brilliant. I am so juiced for the next decade. D was$$$$$$$$$$

I think the Eagles win at home vs GB (I’ll be there) and can win against Cin.

All the good was….good….however there was some bad…..

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 13, 2016 5:29 pm

That being said….

5 false starts. Wow. 3 from Ertz.. That’s insane. Newsflash Birds…Wentz does a hard count.

The “double clutch” catch is getting so tiresome.

Matthews….wide……open….drip….whatever…complaining is redundant at this point

4th and 1…run sweep???????????????????????

Sturgis might be $$. but can’t miss 44 yrd fgs

2 dropped ints. Com’on

DGB “whiff block” Useless

Delay of game on a FG????????????????

No reason to go for 2. Bad call.

Cut Agholor please.

daggolden
daggolden
November 13, 2016 8:00 pm

Dallas drafted their whole oline, all their receivers thier franchise rb and their franchise QB. My goodness. Eagles are 3 years behind Dallas. The Eagles can not have any more Agholors or Smiths, They cant miss anymore. Joe Douglas better be the truth.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 13, 2016 8:19 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Um the eagles drafts their franchise QB, a right tackle, a RB, a starting defensive back and maybe more….Christ

zilents44
zilents44
November 13, 2016 8:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

We might be behind on offense but we are way better then them on defense, I’m not scared of any team, we can beat anybody, good win today, Aggy please just die, vaitai balled his ass off, he was pushing people 5 yds down field

zilents44
zilents44
November 13, 2016 8:43 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Sry they not we

daggolden
daggolden
November 13, 2016 10:04 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Not one of them would start for Dallas. What’s your point

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 13, 2016 9:57 pm

This Eagles team is not that far away. Couple of receivers, cornerbacks and a guard and center and we are in god shape. I was not on board with Wentz starting this year for various reasons, but I am glad he is as he is gaining invaluable experience. Once the offense is given more talent he(Wentz) will be all the better having to do what he’s doing with what he has to work with.
The defense needs some pieces, but this defense is nasty and can play lights out when they are clicking.

Lastly, I’m really surprised by the continuous lack of participation and fan falling off on this site. Is it the site or just a lack of interest in the Eagles moving forward.
Oh well, regardless, great win. Go Eagles!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 13, 2016 9:58 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

valuable experience

daggolden
daggolden
November 13, 2016 10:20 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

LOL Eaglehaslanded is that all we need lol? 2 receivers, 2 CB, guard and center. lol 6 starters? That’s it. Pssst you know Dallas gets to continue drafting to and will improve. There offense is set for years. They have Gregory who is a stud and the other kid who is suspended but will be back in 2 weeks and is a great pass rusher. They have a stud a MLB in Lee. They only need 2 more defensive players for game set, match.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 13, 2016 10:36 pm
Reply to  daggolden

dag, you do know Randy Gregory has tested positive again for drugs while he is already suspended….well I guess you didn’t ..lol. Gregory will be suspended for a full year. The other suspended kid actually came back today.
As I stated upgrade in a few places and we are in good shape…I did not say we will be an elite SB caliber team. So I say again we will be in good shape. Yes Dallas will keep drafting but they can only play so many players as they are set in a lot of key positions. I can’t worry about what Dallas does though. The Eagles have to take care of their business

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 14, 2016 10:30 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Dag, tet with how great the are, the Eagles gave them that game in Dallas. There is not this wide chasm that you are describing. Dallas D has been bad for a while now and they haven’t been able to fix it. Suddenly they are going to?
This gigantic wide chasm that you describe just doesn’t exist.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 14, 2016 10:32 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Eagles, this site has struggled for a while now. Only started to get consistent articles recently. There are no one posts about the Sixers, Flyers or Phils.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 11:01 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

bugs, the ‘content’ on the site makes it not really worth coming on here although I still like the banter. The lack of Phils, 76ers, Flyers articles is a killer- All 4 teams are in a very exciting youth movement with potential stars on all 4 teams, multiple stars on them as a matter of fact and crickets.

daggolden
daggolden
November 13, 2016 10:06 pm

Name me one player on the Eagles offense that would start for Dallas. Maybe LJ on supplements. Without noway

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 13, 2016 10:41 pm
Reply to  daggolden

What, you think they are going to replace the entire offense in 1-3 years? C’mon man! The Eagles battled the cowboys fine in Dallas, they made some slip ups..did not pressure Dak in the 4th and could not cover Dez in the end. You sound as if the Eagles got blown out..classic over reacting.

Stevo
Stevo
November 14, 2016 12:33 am

Another great game for Graham. Honestly… This D is balling.

BigE
BigE
November 14, 2016 1:53 am

UNDER SPECIAL TEAMS YOU SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED BARNER’S KICK RETURN

daggolden
daggolden
November 14, 2016 5:30 am
Reply to  BigE

Josh Huff impact felt yesterday. If that was Huff returning them kick-offs yesterday he scores 1 td. The kicker isn’t pushing him out of bounds or tackling him. That’s the difference between Huff and Barner.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 14, 2016 10:28 am
Reply to  daggolden

Clamoring for Huff? Gimme a break. Barner had a great game yesterday.

daggolden
daggolden
November 14, 2016 5:27 am

5-2 remaining record gets the Eagles into the playoffs because there is a possibility that 3 teams from the NFC East make the playoffs. The Eagles have to beat NY, Washington, Dallas, Baltimore and GB which gets them 10 wins and a wildcard. The Dallas game may mean nothing to Dallas at the end of the year. They will lose to Seattle next week and can afford to lose to Cincinnati which isn’t a given. Detroit wins its Division, Seattle wins theirs and Atlanta wins theirs.

daggolden
daggolden
November 14, 2016 5:41 am

Howie fleeces Minnesota out of 1st and 4th round pick as Minnesota will finish 7-9 to 9-7 if they’re lucky and give the Eagles a pick from 16-20. They could of obtained Bradford for free after the season.

daggolden
daggolden
November 14, 2016 7:28 am

One difference between Reid and Pederson. It always seemed like when the Eagles played a top team under Andy Reid they got blown the fuck out.(I’m sure it wasn’t every time but it sure seemed like it). Under Pederson we actually are beating top teams and are competitive.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 14, 2016 9:03 am

We all need understanding and patience with this rollercoaster of a season.Myself included..Im exposed alot to talks of seattle being in the desert,and they have $pent very little of their cap on their O line..Playing in their 12th man nest ,will be a huge step up the road maturation ladder.The defensive sides of both are excellent,and we’ll need our execution to be flawless..It appears that the Eagles getting ready to go to play the latter part of this schedule will be tested.Greenbay Cincinnati and nfc east opposition coming into the linc are all ,with good health winnable..lane johnson will add depth ,and id assume we slot sproles out to compensate for the inadequate receiver corps..im in the camp of staying unbeaten at home and stealing one on the road..a home playoff game would be a terrific season..im flip flopped on the coach,as his headset was obviously tuned into the lpmardi station..flawless calls with execution ..simply stated ..equipped with the defense to be competitive

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 9:16 am
Reply to  deserteagle

good stuff desert. I do take exception with the flip flop a bit… his headset has been on the same station– the difference in the calls is when they work its a great call and when they don’t the coach is an idiot. I thought the Dallas and NY game plans were also very good. I didn’t watch all of the NE game but there certainly are calls that could be considered dumb by the hoodie– I get that he has the rings…. I’m VERY impressed with Pederson this year. I just think he’s been solid, not perfect but solid.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 14, 2016 9:27 am

Hac. To be fair .uesterdays stretch call on 3rd and one was warm piss..I fail to understand the lack of recognition that the shortest distance to anywhere is a straight downhill line of attack.Nothing but a win camaflouges these bumps in the road..When a football team loses the spotlight and introspection is glaringly,bright..Agholor ugh..im besides myself..beckham as well..a complete bust ..those weak links allow for a defense like seattles to cheat and double guys..i

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 9:46 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Every play (other than a sneak) is designed to be a big gainer or a score If all the “O’s” do what they are supposed to do, In this case the “X’s” did a better job. The stretch play looked horrible– but in the course of a game that stuff happens– the interior line was great yesterday but my feeling is with a 265 lb center against a goalline D that a dive isn’t a great play for them. To rack up 200 yards rushing and nitpick about a run that didn’t work is a bit over zealous IMO.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 14, 2016 10:41 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Hac I get your point on that call..we do have a 6’5 qb and 245..ive praised the coach ..flawless execution and plan..great kudos..but I fail to get these side to side excursions..attacking teams is my way..

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 10:49 am
Reply to  deserteagle

I haven’t seen them run a sneak– i just think with 950 lbs of beef over Kelce its not in their plan– i could be wrong– If you think back a few games ago they ran the same play and matthews danced untouched into the end zone– exact same play… so ….

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 14, 2016 10:51 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I dont recall a sneak either..interesting..

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 10:59 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Kelce had an excellent game and they ran well through the A gaps but it wasn’t straight on power football- I think you have to match your play call with your personnel (remember chip who wouldn’t do it)–
Henski, to your point, that is a real surprising stat! They are learning how to win, learning how the pointy ball bounces etc. They are doing it with you at one WR spot and me at the other.

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 11:13 am
Reply to  haveacigar

yea hac im was blown away when i saw that. i mean 4th place isnt even close… and 5th is further. this tells me we are a good football team, competitive and well coached. we have a solid D and solid qb, man if we only had some damn weapons. those weapons will come, this year was always about progress and we are making some..

those losses to detroit and dallas make me lose sleep. 2 games we shouldve won. giants and skins loss i didnt think we played well enough but damn those other 2 ugh, what couldve been

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 10:53 am

WOW

Im surprised to see Eagles are 3rd in the NFL in points differential, yet we only 5-4

1st is dallas at +88 and they 8-1
2nd is pats at +78 and they 7-2
3rd is us +66 and we 5-4
4th is denver +50 and they 7-3

damn those lions and cowboys losses hurt. shouldve won those 2

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 11:18 am

by the way, glad howie knew to strike on wentz. he said there were no good qbs in the pipeline and while i was on the winless for watson train im glad howie wasnt duped…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 14, 2016 12:59 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Y I have a buddy who is a Browns fan and he (as usual) is pisssed. He knows there’s no QB out there this year. He’s hoping they use the #1 on Garrett and avoid next year’s Qbs like the plague.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 1:15 pm

they had their chance to get their QB and bet on RG Me– boy was that stupid.

CT
CT
November 14, 2016 12:49 pm

It’s not Doug Peterson.

He didn’t drop two touchdowns in Detroit. He didn’t fumble the game away at the end. 14 penalties

In Washington they beat our ass at the LOS. 6 sacks on wentz. But still had dropped touchdowns with Zach ertz. 13 penalties

Dallas Cowboys they were winning 3/4 qtrs.
Allowing a fake punt for a first? Ridiculous pass interference call on us. Peterson chose to pin them deep on our 10 yard line. Good call the way ourD was playing. Also Peterson didn’t fumble

Giants game he was over aggressive. I love it. It wasn’t 4th and 5. It was 4th and 1. Sproles picks up that yardage all season. The read option sucked I know that. But we still ha a chance to win that game which is crazy.

Peterson is a rookie. With a rookie under center.

Cowboys have had there staff together for some time now. They have romo in the rookies ear. They have that oline and running game. Everything has gone there way so far. It has to
Turn eventually right?

Peterson is a damn good coach. And will only
Get better along with this team.

CT
CT
November 14, 2016 12:52 pm

Russell Wilson starting to look like the elite qb he is when the pressure is one and when the weather changes.

But the oline, and running game is garbage. They beat the patriots, who they play every year and know very well. Got there revenge game and is the first good team Brady has played since being back.

Probably the worst defense in patriots tenure under bill and Brady.

I think Seattle, GB and cincy are very beatable. Especially more beatable then we previously thought before the season started.

Ravens are beatable and so are three home division games.

Damn. Playoffs anyone?

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 1:44 pm
Reply to  CT

we aint beating seattle.

cincy is winnable but they about to go on a run now that they got eifert back.

green bay blows but their strengths on offense is our weakness on D and their strength on D (run game) is our strength, they gonna makes us pass

i aint scared of baltimore at all, flacco stinks and so does their run game

i see the remaining games as such:
seahawks loss
packers win
bengals loss
redskins – must win – ugh – win i guess
ravens – win
giants win
cowboys – win against dallas back up team. theyll have clinched bye

i got 10-6 and feel good about it. think we lose either packers or cinci but not both. redskins gonna decide the year thats a 50/50 game to me

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 1:54 pm
Reply to  mhenski

‘we ain’t beating seattle’…. NFL bro, very tough to make definitive statements like that. Seattle went coast to coast on a sunday night and have a tough emotional rematch etc. Are the birds the dogs… absolutely. come on birds– another big statement win!!!!

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 2:26 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

dude I will very much be rooting for the Eagles and am actually going to the game. but to actually think let alone say out loud we have a good shot at going into seattle in the fall with these WR against a super bowl caliber team with a dominant run d and coming out with a W would be quite foolish. its sports of course theres a chance but it aint likely at all.

our qb cant throw for a passing td against the worst pass d in the nfl, hasnt thrown for a td period since 10/30, hasnt had a multi td game since 10/9. this team, no wait this offense just aint ready for that win. maybe will get 2-3 defensive / special teams scores and 1-2 from offense and get lucky who knows. but i wouldnt bet someone elses money on it

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 2:37 pm
Reply to  mhenski

but you can be louder than the 12th man!

CT
CT
November 14, 2016 2:44 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

our qb has 13-14 tds so far if they hang onto HALF of the dropped ones this season.

And again. That’s Half. He probably has 17-18 if they hang onto all
Of them .

Cannot
Wait when Howie pulls the trigger this offseason and signs Alshon or brings back desean.

Maybe sign Doug Baldwin?

Doing so will take away a need in the draft and we can address other areas.

Remember Howie redid a lot of contracts for our vets and other players that allow more cap space.

Priority this offseason is to sign Bennie Logan.

FA: big name WR.

Draft: oline, defense defense defense

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 2:45 pm
Reply to  CT

totally right ct he has a bunch of tds if they hang on, and a bunch more if they could actually play. man wr gonna be a real premium this year as the draft is kinda thin with them. stacked with cb and rbs though

mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2016 2:49 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

by the way only stud wr in FA is alshon and his price gonna be real high, like one of the highest wr contracts ever and im not sure hes worth that… plus theres gonna be a lot of bidders for him…hes got a lot of puss in him but can effeminately play at an elite level

by the way doug baldwin locked up until 2020

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2016 3:23 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Also, think of the drives killed by dropped passes that could have led to more opportunities… anyway, the WR situation is bleak. I had really high hopes this season for Agholor….

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 14, 2016 3:39 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Jeffrey was just suspended for PEDs

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 14, 2016 4:20 pm

Terelle Pryor will be a FA this off season. The Eagles should pursue him as a wide receiver. Big, strong, fast and can catch. I seriously doubt he wants to stay in Cleveland with the instability and trash they have at QB.

CT
CT
November 14, 2016 5:28 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Speak of the devil on Alshon…smh.

MAybe Nelson will need 2 years under this belt to come into his own. I’m sure it’s happened before in the NFL.

Not everyone is ODB.

Nelly has all the tools and speed to figure this out. Might As well keep him on the team for he is still on his rookie deal.

Nelson, Jordan, Dorial, treggs, draft pick and FA should and will be better in 2017. Just bsed off exp. and familiarity in the system. Expect wentz to develope and improve on the chemistry with these young wideouts.

All we need is one more damn good wr to open things up. Getting a damn good wr to pair up with Matthews will really show what kind of player he is.

Matthews cannot do it alone consistently. He is not that type of player. Or has shown any signs he can be so far

CT
CT
November 14, 2016 5:29 pm
Reply to  CT

Idc how old he is. If the price is right bring back Djax. He will only open things up even at age 30.

Running game and passing game. He still has elite speed. Just needs someone to take shots and I’m sure Carson would with desean on the team

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 15, 2016 9:47 am
Reply to  CT

He will be turning 31 Dec of 17, he is on pace to catch 50 balls this year and 2 TD’s, his YD per catch is a career low 13.5 — PASS!!!
Also, who is Nelly?

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2016 2:19 pm

Not Many WR’s who are in their Prime to choose from in this Free-agency Class. Here’s a a few that are maybe worth a look, but surely would not offer any big long-term deals as some of these Players will receive once..
.
Robert Woods – Bills (Age 24)
Tyrelle Pryor – Browns (Age 27)
Michael Floyd – Cardinals (Age 26)
Kamar Aiken – Ravens (Age 27)
Kenny Stills – Miami (Age 24)
Kendall Wright – Titans (Age 27)
Markus Wheaton – Steelers (Age 25)
Andre Holmes – Raiders (Age 28)

Maybe Sign one of these Above Players and then Draft 1 or 2 WR’s this coming Draft…There are some Nice WR Prospects in this Draft

mhenski
mhenski
November 16, 2016 4:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

woods aiken stills holmes not worth a penny

floyd, aiken wheaton not worth a nickel

pryor worth big $, think he gonna end up with a little less $ than maclin. hes looking at a 5 year 45-50mill deal and imo hes worth it

kendall wright got solid hands and would be good in the slot.

I think a solid plan would be to sign wright and pryor. your starters go pryor j matt and wright. draft a rb. then focus on corners and oline. we certainly need 2 new wr and preferably someone with experience (ie pryor and wright) id take them 2 over 1 alshon for sure.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 16, 2016 4:04 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I could see Pryor, but are you gonna cut Mathews for WRight to play in the slot?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2016 5:49 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

No need to cut Matthews, Pryor plays in the slot and on the outside in Cleveland. He has the speed and size to effectively be an outside receiver. No worries. He also has good hands.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 17, 2016 8:46 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Was talking about cutting Mathews for Wright. I am in with Pryor. I was on the fence, but he is the best on that list.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 16, 2016 4:03 pm
Reply to  paulman

no difference maker on that list.

mhenski
mhenski
November 16, 2016 8:42 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Pryor would be a difference maker with wentz he putting up big numbers in Cleveland with a qb carousel. Think 4 qbs have started there and he on pace for 80+ catches and 7 tds. Runs a sub 4.4 40 and is 6’4″

mhenski
mhenski
November 17, 2016 11:39 am

Reading Elliot Shorr Parks remarks on Nelson Assholor, the highlights :

Newly called up Treggs has what 2 passes thrown his way and already has a 58 yard catch, Assholor has yet to top 58 yards in a game this year

Wentz has thrown 5 picks, 3 of those Assholor was the target

Assholor ranks 118th out of 119 in their WR grades

Assholor has 81 YAC yards good for 155th in the NFL, JEEEEEEEEESUS he starts and has less YAC than most teams 4th WR – PUUUUUUKE

Hasnt had a catch over 20 yards since week 1

Going into the draft we got Assholor we needed a safety and passed on Landon Collins, Landon has 1 td so far which is 1 less TD than Assholor

mhenski
mhenski
November 17, 2016 11:42 am

for those that have never been to Seattle I highly recommend, one of it not the most gorgeous cities in America

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2016 1:21 pm

A Deep Draft for WR Prospects in 2017, maybe its not top Heavy with big-time Playmaker’s coming right out of the gate, but it does have lots of Depth and Upside.

Here are some Players that I like and hope the Eagles will be Scouting/Working Out/Interviewing,etc,etc

1) John Ross -Washington (5-11 190lbs) – Mid to Late 1st Rounder, He Runs a 4.4 and reminds many as a Desean Jackson/Brandin Cooks Type in Terms of Pure Speed, but more importantly, has very good, Natural Hands and is a good Route Runner. He’s Stronger and a bit Bigger than D-Jax
is as well as being able to Return Kicks/Punts .. He’ probably one of more Dynamic Skill Players in this Draft

2) Corey Davis – Western Michigan (6-3 205lbs) 2nd Round
Runs a 4.5 and has size, great hands and production but will need to improve his Blocking and overall Physicality at the next Level..Has the Tools and Work Ethic/Desire to do so per Coaches and Scouts .

3) Courtland Sutton – SMU ( 6-3 205 lbs) – 2nd Round Prospect
Runs a 4.48 40 time and is quick in and out of his Routes, Needs to improve his Hands and Blocking but has a lot of Upside per Scouts..

4) Cooper Kupp – Eastern Washington (6-2 215lbs) Late 2nd Rounder
Good Size,Good Hands some think of him as a poor man’s Jordy Nelson and is more athletic than he appears, His Father/Grandfather both Played in the NFL.. Has a High Football IQ and a Fighters mentality..

5) James Washington – Oklahoma State (6-0 205lbs) 3rd Rounder
Very Athletic, with Good Hands and a good Route Runner, Runs well after the Catch and Leaper and was a former All-State Basketball Player in High School..

6) Noah Brown – Ohio State (6-2 218lbs) 3rd Rounder, Runs a 4.49 40 time, is athletic,physical,tough and has shown lots of improvement as a Receiver the last 2 Years from those who follow the Buckeyes Program/Big 10 Football. He had a monster game versus Oklahoma’s Top CB Jordan Thomas earlier this Season snagging 4 TD Passes

7) Malachi Dupree – LSU (6-2 195lbs) 3rd – 4th Rounder – Shows flashes
8) Fred Ross – Mississippi State (6-2 210lbs) 3rd to 5th Rounder
9) Chance Allen – U of Houston (6-3 215lbs) 3rd to 5th Rounder 4.5 Speed
10) Josh Reynolds – Texas A&M (6-4 190lbs) 4th to 6th Rounder 4.5 Speed
11) Stacy Coley – U of Miami (6-1 185lbs) 4th to 6th Rounder – 4.4 Speed
12) Ryan Switzer – UNC (5-10 185lbs) 5th-7th Rounder – A Pure Slot, Cole Beasley,Julian Edleman Type, Can also Returns Kicks/Punts as well

This does not appear to be a Draft where it has a lot of Big Playmaker’s in the early Rounds but is deep with a solid amount potentially good Receivers in that 3rd to 5th Round Range who can go on to be productive in the NFL…

There’s a couple from Michigan that I forgot to mention (Darboh & Chesson)
the kids from Clemson (Mike Williams/Artavis Scott) and Penn State’s Chris Godwin who was come on with a big Junior Season and Amba Atta-Tawo from Syracuse could be a late Round steal for someone…

The Eagles will need to Draft and Develop a Couple of Receivers to build around Jordan Matthews for the rest of their WR Corps just lack’s any consistency.. maybe Dorial Green-Beckham will step up or Treggs will get more opportunities ? Agholor is what he is and that’s an over-matched Receiver who can’t get off the Line of Scrimmage versus average NFL DB’s

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 17, 2016 2:33 pm
Reply to  paulman

pman, add on DeDe Westbrook wr Oklahoma 5’11 175 and KD Cannon wr Baylor 5’10” 205..both have very good speed and hands. They both attack the ball while it’s in the air.

I like Quincy Adeboyejo but his production is down so much. I don’ know if it’s the Ole Miss system, the QB or if it’s him. I’d take a late round flyer on him though.

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2016 3:01 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Both Ole Miss & LSU Have some Nice WR Prospects thought both Teams QB Play has kind of struggled so its difficult to gauge but they have Size & Physical Skills

I would like to see the Eagles Sign 1 Free-Agent (Robert Woods as a Deep Threat) and then Draft 2 WR’s in this Draft (Select 1 in the Top 2-3 Rounds and 1 in the Late Rounds)

With the way the Vikings are fading and having problems Scoring the Eagles could get a Pick in the 14th-18th Range in the First Round now…
They need help at CB,LB with Depth needed at OL & DT too , but CB,WR & LB are their Biggest Needs short Term…. Bradham has played well all year and is on a 2 Year Deal and with those 2 Incidents, who knows if they want him around much longer for the Future, and Kendricks appears to have a strained relationship with Schwartz at best so who knows his future status which leaves the Eagles LB Corp pretty thin.. They do get Joe Walker Back from injury last year who they liked as back-up to Hicks on the Inside and to play Special Teams, but coming from a torn ACL, who knows about his health

There’s a LB from Vanderbilt named Zach Cunningham at 6-3 235lbs who is long, lanky, quick and could cover TE’s, Drop in Pass Coverage or Attack the LOS, though he will need to get bigger & stronger
& LB Tim Williams (Alabama 6-3 250lbs) who has a NFL Body from Day 1 that Jim Schwartz would love to have and who will be sitting there in the middle of the 1st Round..

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2016 3:20 pm
Reply to  paulman

Early CB’s

Marlon Humprhrey – Alabama (6-1 196lbs) – A Top 10 Pick
Teez Tabor – Florida (6-0 201lbs) – A Top 15 Pick
Sidney Jones – Washington (6-0 181lbs) – Mid to Late 1st Round
Desmond King – Iowa (5-10 203lbs) – Mid to Late 1st Round
Cordrea Tanklersly – Clemson (6-0 200lbs) Late 1st to Mid 2nd Round
Cameron Sutton – Tennessee (5-11 186lbs) 2nd Round
Tre-Davious White – LSU (5-11 192lbs) 2nd Round

Some Mid-Round Prospects
Brandon Facyson – Virginia Tech (6-1 192lbs) 3rd/4th Round
Ed Paris – LSU (6-0 210lbs) 3rd/4th Round
Kevin King – Washington (6-3 195lbs) 4th/5th Round
Rasoul Douglas – West Virginia (6-1 208lbs) 4th/5th Round
Damontae Kazee – San Diego State (5-10 192lbs) 4th/5th Round
Chidobe Awuzie – Colorado (5-11 205lbs) 5th/6th Round

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 17, 2016 4:43 pm
Reply to  paulman

Each of fraud mans draft posts should end with: “Thats what it says on the internet anyway”

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2016 10:44 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And each of Your Post’s should say “I’m an Asshole with nothing better to do but to troll on other Posters Post’s …Really, What are you, 15 Years Old?

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 18, 2016 2:19 pm
Reply to  paulman

Just turned 16

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 18, 2016 3:05 pm

This game, while not a MUST win would be a great one to sneak out a win. A 17-16 type of thing. Seattle has an interesting schedule- late sunday in NE, Sunday afternoon back in Seattle with the birds and then an early game the next sunday in Tampa (which should help Tampa) but could also help the eagles.
The D line will have to step up and look for the eagles to run that 6 man OL again and hopefully get another 200 yard game on the ground.

daggolden
daggolden
November 20, 2016 4:50 pm

Carson Wentz gets worse every week. Throw the damn ball. That myth that no receiver is open every play is bullshit.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 5:28 pm
Reply to  daggolden

?????

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 5:31 pm

Eales D letting the team down here. 92 yrd drive (I know penalty assisted but…)

Eagles cannot win a shootout here. Its all about a defensive struggle, lots of running and a late FG….

But its not happening.

D is getting shredded.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 20, 2016 5:45 pm

Bench his ass

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Bench his ass….agree slot sproles

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 20, 2016 5:34 pm

The much vaunted front 7 must win their battles. And as always pressure.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 5:35 pm

boy that was a nitpick penalty on the formation… wow… tough break.
got to hold them here.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 5:36 pm

And that TD coming back…

because of the completely BS illegal formation penalty..

is that “Carson Wentz gets worse every week.”

Gimmie a break.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 20, 2016 5:41 pm

TD called back because Nelson Agholor was not on the LOS

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Assholor. Im tired

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 20, 2016 5:43 pm

AGHOLOR drops a perfect strike…he can not play

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 5:44 pm

Agholor is the worst player in the NFL

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 5:45 pm

He needs to be on the bench… just on the bench… he has single handedly cost us an opportunity to win this game… game over ..thanks “nelly”. fuck him

daggolden
daggolden
November 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Not Agholors fault. Stop fucking blaming Agholor. Who is the idiot Aglohor or the idiot who continues to play him Pederson?

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 5:52 pm
Reply to  daggolden

its not agholors fault? WTF are you talking about? Not his fault???? Jesus christ I thought paulman was the biggest idiot on here.

Carguy
Carguy
November 20, 2016 5:48 pm

What has to happen for Paul Turner to get on the field Agholar clearly blows in every facet of game blocking catching and lining the fuck up

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 5:52 pm
Reply to  Carguy

Is he better??? I’ve never seen him in a game???

Carguy
Carguy
November 20, 2016 5:56 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

He can’t be worse

daggolden
daggolden
November 20, 2016 5:52 pm

Vinnie Wentz is actually playing very well today

daggolden
daggolden
November 20, 2016 5:54 pm

Looks like Agholor is benched

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 20, 2016 5:56 pm

Agholar is the biggest asshat I have seen in a long time…. He might benefit from some time watching on the sideline.

daggolden
daggolden
November 20, 2016 5:58 pm

Defense on pace to give up 600 yards vs the best offense in NFL history.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 5:59 pm

I think Wentz is playing very very well.

Agholor is a complete disaster.

Disaster.

Right now no Matthews. No Matthews, No Sproles. Nothing but troubs.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 5:59 pm

Agholor took 7 points off the board because he is too stupid to stand 1/2 a step further forward while his head coach was screaming at him. I HATE him.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 6:04 pm

Ok so I coach my som’s hockey

When the D gets the puck behind our net…. about a million times I am yelling to my wingers….”Get to the boards!!” (for the outlet pass”

And whatevery…sometimes they do….sometimes they don’t…

They ate 8 and 9

Now I see Pederson screaming at Agholor screaming at Agholor….”get to the LOS!!!!”

He’s 23.

Fuck him.

I hate Agholor!

Should be 16-14 at least if that putz just stood 1/2 yrd further forward.

Hate him.

phillychas
phillychas
November 20, 2016 6:04 pm

Agholor is a joke, If he never plays again it wouldn’t bother me a bit. The bigger question is why is Pederson keep sticking with him?

Everz11
Everz11
November 20, 2016 6:05 pm

I dont post much, but just as some half-time therapy I truly can’t believe how terrible Agholor is. Its 17-16 at the half if Agholor is any other average NFL receiver and can line up properly like any high school kid and catch a deep cross that hits him in the hands. He should sit the remainder of this game in lieu of Treggs, who in all likelihood isn’t even a good receiver, just for principle sake. Thanks Chip.

Carguy
Carguy
November 20, 2016 6:07 pm

Agholar is the Trojan fucking horse left to us by Chip Kelly! I hate that stupid bastard

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 6:07 pm

why didn’t agholor catch that pass that was in his hands? just catch it… its your job.. catch the ball.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 6:10 pm

When they ask that SOB #17 about the penalty and the fucking drop he better be humble.. I swear he is awful

phillychas
phillychas
November 20, 2016 6:21 pm

Vinny Curry Sighting

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 20, 2016 6:27 pm

No Big Deal.

It is absolutely no big deal for Wentz to throw a 70 yrd pick on 2nd down at their own 3.

If anything, its way better than a punt

daggolden
daggolden
November 20, 2016 6:27 pm

Agholor changed the whole complexion of this game.

paulman
paulman
November 20, 2016 6:27 pm

Wentz having a rough Game , his mechanics and seeing the whole field seems to have gotten worse as the Season has gone along…not having quality NFL Receivers hurts no doubt, but he’s not playing well any way you look at it for the last couple of weeks… maybe he’s hit that “Rookie Wall”

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 20, 2016 6:30 pm
Reply to  paulman

You are silly