If Eagles new starting quarterback Kevin Kolb is as great as numerous people are predicting he will be, then why aren’t there more predictions of the Eagles at least making the playoffs and possibly going to the Super Bowl.
I hope Kolb has a big year and one day leads the Eagles to a Super Bowl title, but I’m not ready to talk about how great he’s going to be.¬† I think he has a chance to be a very good quarterback, but I’m not going to start drinking the kool-aid.
The stories are creating an atmosphere which is going to make it tough for the young man to fulfill all the build-up.¬† If he is better than McNabb, then he’s got to lead the Eagles to the playoffs.¬† At the end of McNabb’s third year, he had led the Eagles to the playoffs three times.
Why shouldn’t Kolb, who has sat behind McNabb for three years, be able to step in and play well immediately?¬† Remember that McNabb never had the quality of receivers which Kolb will be playing with this season.
Once the season starts Eagles fans are going to expect the team to win, especially with all of these glowing reports and articles about Kolb.¬† All the talk about being happy with 7-9 and 8-8 is garbage.¬† You and I know that’s not the truth.
I’ve read some of the most glowing stories on Kolb that I have ever who will be making his third start of his career.¬† Adam Caplan says Kolb will definitely be one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league this season and may be amongst the top ten.
He also ripped McNabb.¬† If he’s correct about his assessment of the quarterbacks, then he should predict that the Eagles will be in the playoffs.¬† You know everybody would be predicting playoffs if McNabb was still at the helm, so shouldn’t they be a lock to be in the playoffs if they now have a better quarterback?
How does NFL network analyst Brian Baldinger rave about how great that Andy Reid is as a GM and coach yet say that he selected and kept a flawed quarterback, McNabb, as the starter for his football team for more than a decade?
Either Reid isn’t as a great a coach as he says he is or McNabb isn’t as a bad a quarterback as he says he is.¬† You can’t have it both ways.¬† If Reid is such a great coach he would have traded McNabb a long time ago and replaced him with somebody who was better.
wow AMEN
couldnt have said this any better myself
no playoff predictions because this team on defense has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese
These Reporters are searching for story lines like most fans are during the Summer time..
I have not read of anyone , that has stated QB Kolb is the next coming of Joe Montana
I think the biggest reason most analysts/posters are expecting a 8-8/9-7 type of record for the Eagles is the state of their Defense along with a pretty difficult schedule.. Let’s face it, the Eagles Defense down the stretch last year was very poor, D/C McDermott struggled in not only having healthy players at the LB/DB positions, but also struggled in his schemes and match-ups..Now you look at the off-season and draft, the Eagles defintely updgraded their front 7 with Tapp/SIms and Draft Picks.. The big concern for most is did they upgrade their Secondary at all (which happen to give up 27 passing TD’s last season) Time will tell, but when you look at the QB’s they face for the 2010 Season (Rodgers,Farve, P Manning,Schaub,Ryan,McNabb twice,Romo twice, Eli Twice) that is 11 games facing some of the Top QB’s in the leauge.If the Secondary doesn’t step up and learn fast,they
will have a hard time playing .500 ball no matter what Kolb does…. (which is why I think hiring Dick Jauron was a great move)
I also think that relying on CB Hobbs and signing CB/S M Jackson were a mistake as counting on an improved secondary from last year, Now with M Jackson injured and out for the season,the Safety Position again is in the hands of a young,unproven player (N Allen) who will end up being a very good player but is probably too much to ask to come right in his Rookie season and play at a high level.
They should have signed an experienced Safety to bridge the gap until N Allen gets some time under his belt. This is my take of the Eagles as they head into camp…
I think Kolb’s play,while very important to the Eagles overall success is secondary to the Eagles Defense getting back to playing Eagle football will ultimately determine their success..
awe man do u hear this G histerical
we didnt see these holes pre season last yr i guess
they are visible now regardless of at least 4 to 5 upgrades on d
u have ur other d lineman with graham and like 2 new supposedly talented backups
stew bradley comes back picked up ernie simms apparantly the lbing core is the best in philly for sometime now
u begged for a new safety
u begged for d5 to be let go
killed 2 birds with 1 stone there
apparantly sheldon brown was old and lost a step
he was let go so u have another starting cb that u asked for
i dont get it seems like considerable upgrades and the only hole on d might b at cb ellis hobbs
otherwise what do u want a probowler at every position
i dont see the holes that were there last yr
also y were these holes not so glaring pre season last yr u guys made d5 say it was a sb team or yall would have hadem him stoned
funny town this is
o line comes back better as well with 2 new rb’s
i mean seriosuly there has been an upgrade at every position except qb and 1 cb
2 new te’s
2 6-4 6-5 wr’s
seriously if 5 was here we’d be talkn bowl
but u cant cause u wanna give kolb a pass should he fail
i mean if this graham is just half the de made out to be eagles have to have a top 5 front 4 in the nfl
bradley simms and i guess gaither or or jordan not a bad lb core
so rookie safety terrible starting corner with hobbs are pretty much ur holes
quentin mikell not a bad ss certainly not a hole not a star but not a hole and while many of u dont like zante he’s no hole either so out of 11 possible players i see 3 possible holes on d hobbs allen and either gaither or jordan tho personally i like omar gaither and dont think he’s a hole
so where are these holes on the bench ? do u want more depth i dont understand where this hole theory comes from
Translation of this G article into reality – ‘Hey – look at the Bullshit that is being written left and write. I think that this bullshit is bullshit. They should be writting different bullshit based off of the bullshit they wrote before.’ Bottom line – why distinguish between two dookies? They’re still dookies. The media preseason predictions in the NFL are as meaningful as the shit that sticks to the toilet after an NFL QB craps and flushes. The stuff Petyon’s crap’s leave isn’t better than the stuff Brady Quinn’s poopy does is it? Then why give two CRAPS about BULLSHIT!?!?!? Oh yeah, to fire up Phill Will.
And G – you are always the one who made the argument that McNabb shouldn’t have been held soley responsible for not winning SBs and I agree wholeheartedly. Then why are you usingthe same standard – eveyrthing’s on the QB – it’s al his fault/credit – on Kolb? If the answer is that the BS media prediction ‘stories’ you are reading is making you fed up – well WOPTY FREAKIN DO – they’re bullshit – ignore them. Or at least control your emotions to the the point that you don’t let the bullshit fire you up and inspire you to be hypocritical on your own website.
he’s not
there arent that many holes the team is actually very good everywhere
while u want to make question marks at safety or cb every1 knows what the biggest question mark is
u dont want 2 say it
and he’s saying the truth the last 8 or 9 yrs its been sb or bust now its hip hip hooray for 7-9 eagles fans are the hypocrits open ur eyes
best quote since i been coming to this site
Either Reid isn’t as a great a coach as he says he is or McNabb isn’t as a bad a quarterback as he says he is. You can’t have it both ways. If Reid is such a great coach he would have traded McNabb a long time ago and replaced him with somebody who was better.
Amen
Yeah G. No one remembers McNabb sitting behind Doug Pederson for a half a season with a rookie head coach and finishing the season his rookie year and then play with garbage weapons. Hey we can’t go back to the past but it’s a good setup for Kolb though and that’s great for the team. He got to sit behind a possible HOF QB, a very good coach veteran with a mature offensive scheme and very good offensive weapons.
So his situation for become the starter is a lot better for himself but may not for the team because McNabb also came with a better defense. So they basically have the polar opposite of how they start their careers. I think in the short run, Kolb will look good because the offense is ready to go now and not building but the defense is the opposite. While McNabb played with a defense ready to go and an offense building.
Anyhow, not sure who would buy into what those “analysts” have to say. They want to create stories and drama. Baldinger is so irrelevant it’s not even funny. I hope Kolb has a great NFL career as an Eagle but don’t tell me Andy Reid is so great but he kept a “flawed” QB. That would mean that Andy either misjudged McNabb (which means he isn’t that great) or McNabb isn’t as bad as they want to make him seem. I still don’t know how you throw over 30k yards with the talent he had AND not finishing every season because of injury. But anyway those guys are jokes and we are all ready to see them on the field now.
Pwill – Who da hell is saying ‘hip hop horray for a 7-9 season’? Nobody. It didn’t happen – the Eagles didn’t go 7-9 last year. The Eagles didn’t play a game yet this season (or start training camp – I can still use that argument for a few more days now) – so they don’t have a record – so then how do you know some fans’ (which you’re calling all fans)’ reaction to this mythical/nonexistent “7-9” record!?!?!? You’re fighting a ghost here. And your ‘either/or’ thinking is BS too. Reid never said anything about how good of a coach he is. And the same goes for Donovan. There are 100+ people that make up a football organization and you’re only seeing 2. Don Shula and Marino never won a superbowl together. And it wasn’t because shula was a bad coach or dan was a bad QB. I may be hypocritical here – but you’re paying WAY too much attention to what other people are saying/writing.
listen i am very smart and i assume u guys 2 be 1st i never said all of anything i said eagles fans and im using the term in general ur smart u should know this
2nd i dont believe in all or never so i am not saying all eagles anything since i have 2 be so specific for u
there is a huge contigency who feels like the team isnt going to the playoffs this yr
also im hearing alot of comments from fans via newspaper via comcastportsnet via .610 wip via gcobb and also via me living in the city hearing ppl talk that if they go 8-8 9-7 its pretty respectable consideing how bad the d is
thats hogwash u go man for man with any team in the nfc east and our d stands neck and neck with any of the teams on paper
so stop with all these excuses be4 the season starts
and u dont have to believe it but g is right if d5 is here not making playoffs would be unacceptable
Ha, yeah, I agree with that last part. But those who are saying that they’d be fine w/ not making the playoffs are just saying that to chushion their emotions. When games start to be played, they’ll get hooked again and want the Eagles to win as much as possible (like we all do every year, remember!) and then they’ll be dissapointed if the Eagles don’t make the playoffs – seriously, the will, trust me – or don’t, I don’t care.
The way the Eagles where shellacked the final 2 games of last Season versus the Cowboys,
I am not so sure that they were really a legitimate Playoff team with McNabb at the helm anyways…
The D was patchwork all 2009 season and they were able to get away with it playing lesser teams,
It finally caugh up to them and they were flat out of gas the final 2 weeks,plain and simple…
They really didn’t play at that well the last 5 games giving up an average of 27 poitns per game and a
136 points total, if the D doesn’t improve overall and knock off 6-7 points per game, they won’t win too many games regardless of who is playing QB
Garry, I don’t give a whoop about what “they” say… forget commenting on their comments. This is not reporting. I’m looking for your own careful, professional, impartial analysis of the Eagles organization, coaches and players. Stop comparing McNabb and Kolb; they’re as different as night and day; there are 52 other players on the roster. Personally, for the past 6yrs I’ve not seen Reid in particular as a very good head coach… there have been VERY FEW times when I’ve seen him out-coach a savvy OC and pullout close victories on top teams. Will Reid figure out how to beat McNabb & Skins twice this year with Shanahan calling the shots? And as long as the D is young & suspect and can’t shutdown the opposition’s big weapons, Reid, Kolb and skill players won’t overcome the deficit. We’ll have to wait to see if we have the necessary shutdown defense, because Kolb probably won’t carry this team alone just as McNabb couldn’t over the long haul. Since ’04, I’ve never been confident with A.R. at the helm on gameday!
i can agree wit that schill
i dont think any1 is going to the linc saying “hey lets lose by 50 today ”
im just saying if we go 8-8 it wont be as catasrophic as other yrs it will just be water under a bridge
paulman u can say that about dam near every d5 team especially be4 romo and manning
u can say that our defense was only good under jim johnson because we played quincy carter dave brown and mark brunell twice a year
u can say that we made the playoffs for that time period by default
u can say we were num 1 seeds because we were guaranteed 5-1 6-0 in the division
so what this is the nfl arizona cards dont even make playoffs if they play in nfc east the past 2 yrs
birds dont make schedule just play the games
pw – yep, thus is life and the NFL.
About time…..”G”, I personally thank you!!!
I don’t know if anyone on here notice, but some fans who back Kolb have the excuses ready knowing a sub par season is on the horizon…and I’m not talking about the media here. Those same fans would expect a lot more from Mcnabb if the circumstances Kolb is faced with now were the same for Mcnabb, and that’s just outright unfair. If it was all or nothing with Mcnabb, it should now be all or nothing with Kolb…Period! Fans are already pointing out the holes on defense and Mcdermott’s inexperiece in an effort to cover Kolb’s rear end, but did not allow a less experienced “D” coordinator and an inexperienced safety last season excuse mcnabb. I hope you all see this. NO EXCUSES!!!
If Kolb stinks up the joint or become just another guy (hoying)….What will that say about the front office and Reid? We don’t want another Aaron Rogers comparison either…Rogers was drafted a bonafide first rounder..and he came to a team at the time with a suspect coaching staff and defense.
What happens when this team barely win 6 games. Do we blame Mcnabb?
my boy songs
what the hell took u so long for this 1 lol
Songs – so you’re saying that what matters is that a guy is a ‘bonefied first rounder’!?!?!?!? Like – (HOW MANY QB’S COULD WE LIST HERE WHO WERE 1rst ROUND BUSTS) and (HOW MANY QB’S DRAFTED MUCH HIGHER THAN ROUND 1 WHO TURNED OUT GREAT CAN WE LIST HERE!). Come on, get a clue, or at least a life.
During McNabb’s tenure, our linebackers and linemen were generally undersized and played poorly against the top teams. Addtionally, McNabb never had these kinds of offensive weapons. He and Westbrook were the catalysts for the team’s success.
The bottom line is that team’s failures were always laid at the feet of one man, McNabb.
Schiller I think the main point of Songs post was that the same reason that the team failed last year with McNabb will most likely be the same troubles this year. But many people ignored those problems and blamed it on McNabb while those same people will now magnify those problems and put less on Kolb if the team isn’t good.
In my book they both should be judged the same way. Kolb is the QB because they believe eventually he can take the team back to a championship level. Maybe not this year but this would be the only reason to change QB when you think you have someone as good and younger or better. If Kolb is going to be so much more accurate than McNabb and be able to run this offense and the defense is suppose to be better with Bradley back, Allen at safety then why are the expectations in a lot of people’s minds so low? I would venture to say because the team really as better off THIS YEAR without McNabb. I hope in the long run they are but when McNabb is the QB, we have deep playoff run on the mind each year regardless of what happened on defense and that was the unfair part. So we will all see.
Schilling, just mentioning the facts. Aaron Rogers pedigree as a starting quarterback was never in question throughout his collegiate career and Kolb’s name would have never come up in the same sentence. If it was Aaron Rogers over Mcnabb’s shoulder then maybe this would of been a different discussion….and that’s a big maybe. But what did Kolb do in college to warrant such confidence by the few fans that believe this guy can take Mcnabb’s place? Kolb is no Mcnabb and believe me, he’s not even an Aaron Rogers. He have a better chance in becoming “Ty Detmer” and that’s actually a compliment if he don’t become an interception machine.
Rodgers started for 1 1/2 Seasons at Cal. (like 15-16 games total)
Had knee injury and problems with INT/Ball protection when he was younger at Cal and Junior College
Kolb was a 3 Year Starter and has been realtively injury free during his career and accumulated
very good #’s during his carrer in Houston… Does this mean he will be better that Rodgers,
absolutely not, but if you look at the numbers, Kolb has a very succesfful background depsite the fact that he played for a College for a smaller program in a smaller confernce that Rodgers did..
Kolb is more of a “system” Qb which is the way AR version of a WCO really needs.. will he make plays out of noghthing and run around to buy time, no, that’s not his game, will he make quick reads,preapre for defenses and coverages and get rid of the ball quickly, yes he will..
WIll Kolb be a Pro-Bowl QB by 2012 probably not, will he be a bust and not be able to handle
the big staage, very unlikely,.. Kolb has been working,training and pushed by his dad from his teens for this moment, he is confident in his ability and will work hard to improve his floaws.. I think he will be a very good Qb for the next 8-10 years or so ..
scorp – I agree with your point there, but I don’t agree that it’s what song was saying – see his last post. Song – ok, well if you want to talk facts – didn’t Brady Quinn, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Ruessell, Troy Smith, Dante Culpper, Tim Couch, ……. have the ‘aaron rodgers first round pedigree’ coming out of college? Nobody is saying Kolb is ‘a McNabb’ – in fact everyone (from those who think he’ll succeed to those who think he’ll fail miserably) is saying that Kolb and McNabb couldn’t possibly be more different. But you seem to think it’s all about names. Like the name Tom Brady in college and his early NFL career. Like the name Tony Hunt. NAMES are NAMES, but you think fame and clout coming out of college translate to NFL success – you’re pretty alone there.
In my opinion one guys situation has nothing to do with another. Point blank. Rodgers, Rivers etc has no impact on what Kolb will be. People can try to say just because this situation is almost like Rodgers, that Kolb can be like Rodgers but that’s foolish. One has nothing to do with the other. Not saying Kolb won’t be good but if anyone think that just because Rodgers replaced Favre and became a good QB means that the same MUST happen to Kolb really aren’t watching football. If that’s the case, let’s just call McNabb the next Drew Brees. You know… the guy who had the 1st round pick looking over his shoulders and eventually replaced him. So if people want to draw that comparison they might as well draw both. In my book the comparisons are just dumb. They make no sense because their success will depend on their teams and coaches and not by what another QB did a couple years ago on a different team. The reality is that Kolb has a better chance of being an avg/bad QB than very good. I don’t think that will happen but that just how it is being an NFL QB.
Scorp well said, but Schill is a trip. He knew exactly what I meant yet cherry picked my comment and ran with the Aaron Rogers part. The truth is that many QB’s have failed replacing their predecessors, yet these optomists magnifies the low percentages like Brady, Rogers, and Brees..there’s about 30 failures for every Brady situation…So you’re right Scorp, the comparisons with other QB’s on entirely different teams is ridiculous, but we can compare Kolb this year to Mcnabb last year. The team is almost identical except for the improvements everyone is talking about along the D-line, and the return of Bradley..So really the expectations should be higher this year…right? Mcnabb is only one man and he have been replaced by a more accurate QB that gets the ball out fast…That’s a no brainer….We are now playoff contenders and can expect Kolb to do what Mcnabb couldn’t …THIS COMING SEASON….NO EXCUSES
No matter what the reports, I’d rather have our QB situation than say Cleveland. Or the Bills. Or Tennessee. Or name a dozen others. G – I’ll defer back to what you always say… football is a team sport and is won or lost by teams. One of the big reasons nobody is adding in playoff or superbowl predictions for this team is the huge unknown of the defense. The D *should* be much improved next year with Bradley coming back and other additions. But if not, then Kolb will need to be the next coming of Peyton Manning or Drew Brees and the O-line will need to play like hall of famers for this team to sniff the playoffs.
I agree SONGS. Personally, I’m not giving him or the team a pass if they don’t make the playoffs. I will express my displeasure just like if McNabb was the QB. I do agree about comparing Kolb this year to McNabb last year. The team is very close to being the same. I don’t have a problem with that. It’s the schmucks trying to compare Kolb to Rodgers that make it worse. This team hasn’t won anything to deserve a pass. If all these media personalities and coaches and even fans are raving over how good Kolb will be and how he is more accurate than McNabb and can run a 2 minute drill and hit WRs is stride etc… then don’t come back and tell me you’re satisfied with a 8-8 season when if McNabb was here it was Super Bowl or bust even though he’s supposed to be such a bum. The hypocrisy is sickening in this town. In my opinion SUPER BOWL or FAIL. Period. I don’t pay for season tickets to see a loser and it will be unacceptable if they do. Period. No passes for a team that has never won a Super Bowl ever and a championship is 50 years. Especially with Andy still coaching. In my opinion, that’s the biggest reason… because he’s still here.
edogma,
same defense as last year and even better at the LB spot and probably DE but yet it was the end of the world when we didn’t make it past the cowboys. Don’t give me all the high expectations like last year and then lower them this year and then use excuses like the defense. Yes, we don’t have Sheldon anymore but we get Bradley back and a couple of the DE pickups should help a lot. And McCoy has another year under his belt as well as Maclin. Celek gets better too. So it’s hypocritical to lower the standard now but last year we had to make it to the bowl. Any logical fan could have looked at that team last year and saw that wasn’t a Super Bowl team but that didn’t stop idiotic fans from proclaiming that people need to leave town if they don’t win it.
Just like I said earlier, this is how people will spin and you are a great example of that. Last year the team didn’t win because McNabb stinks. This year we won’t because the defense sucks. The same jerks also say the team was so successful in the early part of the decade because of the defense but we lost the NFC title games because of McNabb. It was too seldom that the defense was acknowledged as part of the problem McNabb was here. Everything was his fault regardless of what happened.
very well said scorp
The standards are always the same – all Eagles fans expect the team on the field – whether it’s Donovan, Kolb, Vick, Songs, Butch, Micah, G, or me at QB, – to play well enough to win games. If they lose, we’re disappointed. That said, thinking about the post season in July is utterly ridiculous. The expectation should be that the team that plays v. greenbay game one should be able to win. Let’s watch that game and then go from there.
scorp – who at all is saying that last year the team didn’t win because of McNabb? I haven’t heard that AT ALL. I’ve heard that McNabb has flaws (yadda yadda yadda, we all have), but pretty much everyone chalked up last year to injuries and/or coaching. Enlighten me.
so y the move
move the whole d then lol
garry, did McNabb approve this “article”?
“Addition by Subtraction”…That’s the bill of goods we’ve all been given. The team is younger and faster than the old washed up version of the team last season is what’s essentially been handed out as the explanation. “This is NOT a rebuilding year” is what’s been re-iterated time and time again. As I posted before with all of this information I’m really underestimating the team by saying they should be 11-5 to match the mark set last since they “Should be” better.
The fun thing about all of this is that people are on the record and getting lambasted about lowered expectations already, which means if the Eagles don’t even perform up to the lowered expectations this will be a topic of discussion for quite some time and a lot of people will feel embarrassed about all of the things they’ve said.
kolb 1st pass of the season goes for 6
al harris
Very good possibility that CB Al Harris starts the season on the PUP list PW,
Word is that his recovery and rehab from his knee surgery is not going so well so far…
1st game versus the Packers will tell the tale of the season and should be a very high scoring affair with a good possibility of coming down to who has the ball last..
I think Eagles win 33-31 and this propels them to a fast start and a 10 Win season
Kolb ends up 24-38 for 276 yards and 2 TD Passes and 1 Int for a QB rating of 87
k then charles woodson
tried to give my former eagle some love
Al Harris was a great # 3 CB and beacame a very good starter once getting a opportunity..
He and DE D Burgess were players they should have kept back then…
I think they let Harris go after drafting Lito and Sheldon and also let Burgess go after drafting T Cole
schiller, many people (mostly McNabb haters) will blame damn near every loss on him. Against the Cowboys in both games he was horrible but people will magnify that and brush the other shortcomings aside and just harp on how bad he played. Come on now, you know how harsh the criticism was on McNabb you can’t be that naive. Just because you didn’t feel like it doesn’t mean others didn’t. How many people wanted him gone because they already couldn’t stand him (for stupid stuff) but this was the tipping point for them. With McNabb it was Super Bowl or ship him out with a lot of people. You can ignore it if you like but there are plenty of so called fans who now act like McNabb was the biggest bum to ever put on an Eagles jersey. Was it time for McNabb to go, I guess the answer is yes since he’s not here. But IMO Reid is the one who should have been gone several years ago.
Very eloquent post Shitler
schiller says:
July 22, 2010 at 6:01 amTranslation of this G article into reality – ‘Hey – look at the Bullshit that is being written left and write. I think that this bullshit is bullshit. They should be writting different bullshit based off of the bullshit they wrote before.’ Bottom line – why distinguish between two dookies? They’re still dookies. The media preseason predictions in the NFL are as meaningful as the shit that sticks to the toilet after an NFL QB craps and flushes. The stuff Petyon’s crap’s leave isn’t better than the stuff Brady Quinn’s poopy does is it? Then why give two CRAPS about BULLSHIT!?!?!? Oh yeah, to fire up Phill Will.