It must be fall time in Philadelphia- the Phillies are streaking and in first place, the Flyers are getting ready to start camp, no one cares about the Sixers- and there is a quarterback controversy.
For anyone who thought the controversy left when number 5 headed down to Washington clearly didn’t watch the second half of the Eagles game. In all reality, Kevin Kolb should and will get significant time, and more starts whether good or bad to prove he can be the number one Bird. And he should get more chances.
Yes, Kolb played about as bad as a quarterback could in that first half, but it was still only one half of football. This franchise has invested too much into Kolb for the Michael Vick era to begin already.
On the other hand if Kolb doesn’t work out, why not Vick?
A lot of people this week who are ready to jump the Kolb bandwagon have consistently said the same thing, Vick gives us a better chance to win now, but not in the future. So I say if Kolb can’t get it done, let’s ride Vick out this season, watch him scramble and make plays behind a weak offensive line, and then draft the quarterback of the future next year. That seems to be the game plan for the people who don’t believe in Kolb.
It doesn’t sound like a good plan if Kolb doesn’t pan out, but why can’t Vick be the quarterback of the future? Vick has only played 4 full NFL seasons since being drafted. He proved this weekend he still has the burst to scare NFL defenses.
Reports out of Green Bay say the Packers were upset when Kolb went out the game because they were scared of Vick. People say he will never win a Super Bowl with his style of playing, but his style has led him to a pretty successful career so far.
Since being drafted, Vick is 38-28. He has made the playoffs consistently, in fact he led the Falcons into Lambeau Field and beat Brett Favre, and advanced his team to the NFC Championship game. He did this while being one of the most dynamic players to ever play the position. Countless times he led the Falcons to victory with no playmakers on the roster to help him.
One of the reason people have faith in Kolb is he has been tutored by Reid to take over the job. Reid has had success in the past with different quarterbacks, and is recognized around the league as someone capable of developing a successful quarterback. Why do people think he can do this with Vick? Reid see’s Vick as his project- both on and off the field.
Did people see Vick throw the ball into the end zone to Jackson at the end of the game when the path was clear to run? Reid has coached this guy for the last year, and all off season. If Reid can turn the ultimate weapon into a decent passer, the Eagles will have a real weapon.
The backlash from having Vick on the roster is already gone. The protestors, for the most part, have left. The media this week has already started the “He made a mistake in the past, but he may give the team…..” routine. After one half of good football, there would be no backlash to making him your starter.
This article is not out to bench Kolb and start Vick. You need to give Kolb as much time as it takes for him to prove or disprove that he is the man. I don’t think it will take him very long to prove himself one way or the other, but the Eagles and their fans need to realize that if he doesn’t pan out, their quarterback of the future is already on the roster.
I fully agree. I don’t know why some people have some much faith that Reid and Co can develop Kolb but not Vick. Pure hypocrisy there. In my opinion Vick may have more up the upside because of his athleticism and it’s a prime example that he threw that pass when he should have run that shows he’s at least thinking about getting others the ball. I think Kolb only deserves more time if he’s truly better. Why do you need to go through a bad season to prove a point. Just start the better guy. Forget how much you “invested” in Kolb. Put the best guy on the field. If that’s Vick then so be it. If it is, extend Vick and trade Kolb because there’s no way he can stay the backup. I just want the best guy to play and right now that looks like Vick. Most fans aren’t content with taking a bad year just to see if Kolb can play. That’s bull crap. Sure it was easy for some fans to say that before the season but now that you see Vick out there and the emotion of the NFL season, most fans don”t want to sacrifice a year for Kolb POSSIBLY being a good QB. His chances of becoming the guy weren’t good from the beginning since there is a higher probabilty of failure at that position and behind this oline his chances of looking good continue to decrease. Put the guy out there that can possibly take you to the playoffs now.
It’s an insane conversation to have after WEEK 1. Kold played ONE HALF of football and was awful. You mortgage the future of the franchise on this guy and want to give up after 30min of playing time…in which he STILL had a 50% completition %. Seems a bit harsh, no? Especially considering after the last two preaseason games everyone wanted VICK dumped! Green Bay had schemed and practiced to play vs Kolb ALL WEEK. when Vick came in they’re gameplan was out the window. Let’s wait until week 3 to make some decisions…..the Lions aren’t exactly a benchmark to decide the future of your franchise. If Vick DOESN’T put up 220 in the air and 100 on the ground vs Detroit….this conversation should be ended…….Kolb needs more time. Simple as that.
hoying4life,
Kolb sucked that’s why. When he played against 2 teams last year (1 did NOT game plan for him and was terrible:KC) and one he threw 2 crucial picks that turned into 14pts. That 700 yards in 2 games was a mirage because most of it was in garbage time and the other half was against garbage. You are aware that he could just not be that good right?? Stop sipping the kool-aid. KOLB is overrated.
i agree with article as well
but im not for this kolb needs time bs
if kolb needed more time then u should have kept ur franchise qb more time its simple as that
u cant expect us fans to suffer threw growing pains of this bum when we have win now talent surrounding him
u sold us we were not rebuilding u sold us we will not lose much if anything we will improve
clearly a season with this kid would just be tanking
Scorp, you said it my man! put your best player on the field. Forget waiting a year and sacrificing our season just to see if Kolb pans out to be a decent Qb.Vick is the man and should start. I tell you what; imo, it looks like we’re stuck with Reid giving this quack another shot. I believe if he does then Kolb is going to fold like he did in the first game. he sucks as a Qb. He couldn’t even make it to the second game of the season without controversy. He better be glad he got Reid on his side because if this were Jerry Jones, Bill Parcells or any other organization, he would be holding a clipboard. Reid is his support bridge thats all.
Let’s say vick plays v detroit and the eagles win. Likely scenario right? Then let’s say kolb comes back and starts v jacksonville, and plays much better, eagles win. Then, will everyone be ok with him starting the following week? Or, what if vick sucks it up v detroit, or jacksonville… then who knows. My point is that ‘just take it one game at a time’ is seen as wisdom for a reason. Vick should start v detroit, I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. Let’s go from there. All this hate and arguing is pretty useless.
That is just football sense. If Kolb turns out to be no good after he gets his chance to prove himself then you go with the next guy in line. Somtimes you hit and sometimes you miss. One half of football isn’t an acurate barometer though.
If Kolb gets another shot, it’s going to be open hunting season from the opposing defenses. Why in the world would a coach not stun and have opposing defenses off guard about what to expect from your Qb. They would be trying to game plan for Vick, then jackson/maclin/celek. too many weapons and speed for the league to game plan on. i bet all the other teams we play this year is laughing at us (Reid’s stupidity) and hoping he doesn’t start vick. to tell you the truth, its really unfair to sports, eagle fans, the team, and the nfl when the competition is not even. i mean if you really look at it, its not an even playing field because us fans the team and the rest of the league knows that we would be a much better team with vick (our best qb player) at the helm. Reid made the mistake of putting his foot into his mouth about kolb being the Qb of the future and getting rid of Mcnabb. Andy reid has to go. The wins he amassed when 5 was here was due to 5 not reid. without a true qb who can win games by inprovising, reid sucks. vick is a naturally gifted athlete. Screw teaching fundamentals to him, d-jax and the rest of the “young guns” on the field. they can play street-like football and blow a hole through the league all day long.
New article…Can Vick do for the Eagles wht Kurt Warner did for Airzona in 2008?
a lot of the articles recently are spot on, good stuff
this isnt a hit or miss situation
we werent the lions or falcons or browns or broncos
we had an all time qb in place u made the trade stating this wasnt a miss
i mean u had teams calling about kolb and d5 u chose to trade d5
there is no hit o ro miss bs we were 11-5
so u trade a franchise qb to go 5-11 cause the city was bitching about his air guitars or press conferences
agreeing with this logic just helps me to see y the eagles do what they do
im loving this so much hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
it makes some of u sick to ur stomach to see these articles about vick
the same way ud get sick when u saw positives about d5
well u got d5 outta town but karma is to funny
u couldnt handle a a true professional for whatver reason
hahaha take mike vick
im loving this
phillywill – who is D5? We’re talking about Eagles quarterbacks here.
I think most of us can agree on this 1 thing.
With Coach AR& MM and their offenseive Philosophy, this Eagle Franchise will not win a Championship.
Just like everyone got “McNabb Fatigue” and wanted him gone, so to with “Coach AR Fatigue”
I want to see a defensive minded coach like missesota’s Leslie Frazier take over as the Head Coach
and bring some real change and physicality back to this Eagles Team…
Coach AR’s Offense has gotten stale and very predictable over time and his reliance on gadget plays has this team playing way too “Soft” than it needs to, for then to be able to compete for Championship
It is what is for right now, but this Franchise is spinning wheels in the mud right now
How many QB’s play THREE games and are “great”? This IS NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP team…..there is NO WAY this team wins anything. The entire point of this season is to develop Kolb and prepare for the future. It’s the youngest team in the NFL. The guy needs more than 2 1/2 games to establish (or crucify) himself! Vick is a NON ISSUE. The dude is walking after this year no matter what happens. He’s going for the money and a team that guarantees him the starting job. Why waste and entire year with Vick when you need to start all over next year instead? Point is, if Kolb doesn’t pan out…Reid needs to go. Trading McNabb is a mistake that can’t go unpunished.
Just an FYI, neither Kolb or Bradley passed their concussion tests today and its pretty much a lock they are both out this week. they still have to pass phase 2 by friday which is highly unlikely. I’m ok with Vick, its Gaither who I can’t stand. He sucks and is not MLB material. I totally agree with this article.
Does anyone think Vick can win a superbowl?
trent dilfer eli manning won super bowls
bum joe namath won a super bowl
y cant vick win a sb
but dont come out now saying AR this and that when AR should have went in the 1st place and we keep our qb and none of this is even being talked about right now we r discussing a 1-0 record
but nooooooooooooooooooooo yall hated 5 for reasons unkown
u reap what u sow mike vick hahahhahhahaahaha i know so many ppl in philly r so sick and i know y hahahahahahahahahhahaahhaahahhahahahahahahaahhahaa south philly sick north philly laughing out loud
who is #4 schill lmao
so u think our better chance at a sb is #4 lmao
if u say yes i will never post again because it will be obvious what ur basing ur criteria on and it aint football related
phillywill – you are crazy, the mcnabb thing is SO IRRELEVANT. The discussion is Vick and Kolb.
Long term I think the better chance is with Kolb. If he proves a bust (after a full season or maybe more of development, and complete, fair assessment, then they have to move in another direction. But going with Vick because he can scramble around a lot is not a good shot. He may win us some games while Kolb gets healthy, and I’m ALL FOR THAT. And he may make some key plays even when Kolb is starting, and I’M ALL FOR THAT – I think anyone who insists we have short yardage issues while Vick is still on the team is a moron. But as a full time starting QB, I do not think Vick is the man. I will be oh so happy if he proves me wrong because that will mean that the team succeeds, I’d love that. But I say those who are dismissing Kolb as a closed case, we know what he is and all he will ever be, are being foolish and forgetting what we thought of Winston Justice. What about the Steve Young, Kurt Warner, and so many other stories – those guys were written off as busts and then they came back to prove everyone wrong. If we look at what has happened in the past, about how people assess young quarterbacks, we see that you need to give it way more time than has already been give to Kolb to make a complete accurate assessment.
I don’t think Kolb has any better chance at winning one than Vick. But I think Paulman is right about the whole philosophy thing. I think Andy is the bigger problem. He’s the reason Kolb is in this situation:
He signed Vick in the first place when you already had a Pro Bowl QB and a good backup in Kolb to run a gimmick part of the offense. Now you trade your HOF potential QB to a division rival and get everyone all hyped about Kolb. Philly already has a short leash on players and now that guy you probably shouldn’t have signed in the first place if probably better than he was before and he’s backing up the kid who looked like crap. Gave all that money to Mr False Start Jason Peters, Stacy Andrews and held on to Shawn Andrews for too long and now the o-line sucks and you expect this kid to come in a replace a possible HOF QB with another Pro Bowl QB behind him. Seriously? Reid is the problem.
We will not win a SB until we draft Todd Tompkins at QB.
Isn’t it well documented that Andy didn’t want to trade McNabb? So he gets the blame there? And Reid gave the contracts to Andrews, Peters, etc… no that’s the FO. And now you’re blaming them for signing Vick? Vick played well and got us back in to the game v. Greenbay. We should be applauding the eagles FO, and Reid for signing Vick. He’s the reason we’re all not worrying about Kafka starting v. the Lions. I don’t care what the circumstances are, you want your team to have a good backup QB. And I don’t think anyone is arguing that Vick isn’t a very good backup QB. And I don’t think anyone wishes we had someone else instead of Vick at backup QB.
PW, stop saying “u did this and u did that”..it wasn’t us that traded Mcnabb, we don’t pick in the draft, we don’t do shyt but sit back and complain when things don’t go right and cheer when they do. If you think AR and Co make roster moves based on the court of public opnion you are mistaken. If you think the Eagles draft based on what Joe Schmoe-fantasy says you’re wrong there too. How come no one mentions the scouts that go and look at these players and give their reports to the coaching staff, wouldn’t they be somewhat to blame as well?
Some fans hated McNabb, some didn’t, some just got tired of not winning. Some hate Reid too, some don’t but I think it’s time for a change as well. The WCO he runs is too predictable. Some say “why run D5 outta town…well if there was a guarntee that we’d win the SB this year with him he’d stiull be here.
ok schill ur the number 1 dude on here telling ppl its to early to make predictions and what have u. so how the hell can u make a statement like kolb is more likely to win a sb whn kolb is shit so far. u have a whole body of work with vick a pro bowler former #1 pick there is nothing u can say to even begin to rationalize or back up ur opinion here. do u want to point to the chiefs game and say if kolb plays chiefs every game we win a chip
seriously if we arent to say he’s a scrub u can by no means give this gusy any freaking praise its ridiculous.
i know the birds traded mcnabb because there was no fear of backalsh
its just like ai i talk with dei lynam all the time the yr before we trade ai i asked dei if we would trade him and her answer was management want to but the court of public opinion (backlash would be to strong so she said they wouldnt) and they didnt
he misses fan apprecaition night and that was perfect way for sixers to avoid backlash they blew this completely out of proportion fans turned on ai he was traded
same here andy knew if he traded his qb there would be no backlash so while u didnt make any trade www ur and ur fellow eagle fans did nothing to help prevent this if anything we here in philly speeded this process up
Pw- good question! When did I give Kolb praise? Never. When did I say he’s going to be successful – Never. I’m saying that I think that Kolb (because the type of player he is – stay in the pocket, accuracy, traditional type) is what is way more likely to win a superbowl. I think Vick’s skillset is limited and he hasn’t shown he can do much with anything but his legs. I think over time, the course of a whole season, defenses can shut down Vick and he’s left with below average skills at being a pocket passer. I think with Kolb, if he plays to his potential (I’m not saying he will, but IF), we have a better shot. But again, I have never said anything overtly positive about Kolb. I’m not making any predictions that Kolb will succeed. I just think to abandon him at this point is ridiculously foolish.
Lets stop with this “its only 1 half of a football game” He is a 4 year veteran and has started and played in several games and really other than the Chiefs, has been dismal. You have to play him because you have paid him to be the starter but as a fan, I want to see wins. I don’t want to go through a losing season with no hopes for the playoffs.
Ozz-take away the Chiefs game and he played a total of 2 games…hardly several…
ozz – he’s a four year veteran with less than half a year of playing time, so if you want to be accurate (and not say we’ve only seen a half), don’t go an say ‘four year vet’. He’s not a brand new unknown. He’s not a four year vet either. He’s a guy who is still in his development period and the window of assessing how he does in NFL games, as the starter, with preparation etc…. is still open. I’ll give you that the Chiefs are an unworthy opponent to gauge how he does v. the rest of the NFL (including legit and good teams), but if that’s the case, then you have to consider that the other teams he’s played (N.O., Greenbay and partially Baltimore) are all top tier teams with proven defenses). So so far he’s not good enough to beat the great teams. Let’s see how he does with a full range and time to build his rhythm and confidence on more crappy and middle of the road-good teams and then some more good and great teams (we have all the above in the rest of this schedule) and go from there.
PW, this is not a 76ers site so why even bring up what the bum ass 6ers do in their house, different sport with different rules.
So you think if I wnet to the Linc with all my Eagle fans and held up picket signs with “Save D5” and “Don’t trade the greatest statistical QB we’ve ever had” you really think he’d be here still? Tell me PW, what could I have done as a fan that would’ve kept McNabulous here? Tell me, I want to know…because I want to know what you did to keep him here as well.
there is no way u can make an assumption that kolb is more likely to win a bowl
if he played lights out maybe u can make ur case but under ur own guidelines of no assuptions and going by what we have seen
im going to ask the question can this bum beat a .500 team let alone win the fing sb
how tf we get here with mentioning kolb and sb in same sentence r u kidding me right now
clearly u have to be ok i get it haha
do what u do for kolb
make excuses for his performances that might have helped a little
talk about how he could win the sb
im hearing guys talk about how kolb can win
i wont say every1 but mostly on this site i just hear how d5 cant win lol
i know schill didnt feel like d5 couldnt win it tho i know u couldnt have cause u just metioned kolb in same breath as sb so i know u obviously thought 5 could win
hey kolb send 5 a text
what do u do when ur head coach refuses to run the ball and just makes u drop back 50 times a gm?
i have no clue how to answer that 1 kevin shit got me traded
OK, I never said Kolb could win as SB this year, can he in the future? He has about as good a shot as any I suppose. Kolb will have to prove he can win by winning, that will take time but again..no one comes into the NFL with a team like ours and really lights it up. Did D5 win a SB? Nope. He won a bunch of reg season games, can’t argue that, but McNabb and Kolb and Jimmy Clausen have the exact same amount of SB trophies under their belt. I hoped for 11 years McNabb would win a SB, but he didn’t and I largly supported him throughout his time here. But he’s a Redskin now, the enemy, and I could care less about how his career goes from here on out. I support the team that gets put on the field week in and week out. If it’s Kolb, Vick, Kafka, or Joe the Plumber I don’t care, and I’ll always hope they win.
The 800 LB. Gorilla in the room that no one wants to talk about is specifically how long Kolb should get to prove himself. For the Kolb supporters I suspect no one wants to be specific so that it can be left open ended regardless of the ongoing game results. With the Vick supporters…well they’re like “…bench Kolb, like yesterday.” lol. The neutral people are mostly just hedging. The point is it’s good to bring up “HOW MANY GAMES?” now and get people to start putting numbers to their optimism or pessimism on Kolb. Should things drag out there it will be good to already have had a public discussion about what a realistic number of bad games is before it’s time to make a change. Personally, I’m tired of the flip-flopping wafflers around here.
It looks like Kolb’s first two games back will be against Jacksonville and, surprise, surprise Washington. Regardless of what any Kolb supporter says if Kolb looks bad against the Redskins on top of loosing the support of the locker room, I doubt he’ll have much fan support after that. If Kolb is able to drive, but not score against the Skins and the Eagles still lose then what?
All you staunch Kolb supporters can lie to yourselves if you want, but if McNabb is doing the Micheal Jackson and playing air guitar at the end of the game you’ll know how the Eagles/Redskins game is going and that’s going to seal the coffin on Kolb.
Schill you are the only one that blindly sticks up for the coach , FO and for some reason must enjoy losing every year. I DIDN’T pump this kid up the last 4 years, the FO , coach did. So much that we got rid of the BEST qb in the franchises history in his prime. We were told we ARE NOT rebuilding. I heard how accurate and his quick release would beat the blitz. Yes, he is young and i dont expect him to be Tom Brad but the coach and FO built this kid up and this is the result of their stupid words again. I feel bad for Kolb because I see a kid with terror in his eyes not killer extinct and its not his fault. Its Marty, Andy Banner and HOWIE who are to blame for building this kid up and blowing smoke up our ass. Listen, if they would of just come out and said, we are going to rebuild there would less of a controversy right now. I remember when Demarcus Ware busted on the scene I can rmemeber Parcells saying in is presser, “dont put him in Canton yet” and lowering the expectations . He did that to keep Ware motivated and keep the pressure off him. Hey, when you pick up your paycheck from Howie , tell him we want a Super Bowl and we dont care that we have the most women working in the FO and we are the Greeest team in the NFL. Thanks.
give me 16 quarters with an avg of 9.5 minutes of play per qtr.
Hoying4life…you’re living up to your account name.
What makes you think that Vick will not be an Eagle after this season? Are you stating what the FO told you or is this your hopes?
Did you have any idea that Vick would actually be an Eagle? Think about it…..The Eagles held on to Vick in case the Kolb experiment goes south…they have faults but are not total idiots. They see the talent in skill positions and have seen the potential of Kolb (in practice) but kept Vick as a proven insurance policy and actually helped him become a better QB.
If this FO see Vick elevate this team to wins in spite of injuries Vick is a keeper. They would be fools to let Vick go and give Kolb the team after showing he’s not capable of sustaining the offense he was intrusted to al least keep respectable.
Reid’s job is on the line and he can become a hero if Vick lead this team beyond expectations this year…Kolb will get another chance this year and we’ll see how it goes but believe me..this is not about age..Kolb is 26 years old and looked worse than any rookie that played Sunday…24 yards in one half ….Reid will not lose his career for Kolb..if Kolb’s a bust Reid will not use his time invested into making Vick a better QB, and after the Eagles took the “PR” hit only to have him help another rival improve. After the Mcnabb debacle this organization can’t possibly get rid of a top talent waiting for a 26 year old man to become franchise ready. Fans needs to get use to Vick becoming the future….regardless of how anyone may personaly feel…that is the possibility. If Kolb fails that would not be the first time a projection failed in the NFL….NFL stands for “Not For Long”.
We have the talent to win now…..the skilled positions are here and we have a QB that can survive behind this line. I feel Kolb don’t have the O line to put him in the position to show us he’s ready. Sorry…but that’s the dynamics….Go Vick….Go Eagles
Wellwellwell…Did you have the same wishes for Reid that you had for Mcnabb?
Did you wish that Reid could have won you a Superbowl within the 11 years? …and if so, have you given up on Reid?
If not….why?
Butch – I hear you and I agree about the numbers thing. I say the bye week is the dividing line. Sure that redskins game will be a huge test, but I think giving Kolb about half a season – to show signs that he can succeed – is fair. I don’t think what we the fans declare as the number (hater, koolaid drinker or anyone in between) matters at all though. We can argue all we want, praise or crucify the FO/Andy on their decisions on Kolb v. Vick all we want, but they make the decisions and we have no say in it. That’s why I say, let’s just watch. And not jump to conclusions.
ozz – The FO says shit with spin and against their own will. They have to talk to the media, it’s part of their job, but they’d chose not to if the could. And even if they did choose to talk to the media, they’d speak in ways that are strategic and ‘put on’ in order to spin/work the media in a way that is favorable to their product, their team, and their agenda. We as fans should really only ever listen to them with half an ear and a huge grain of salt – if that. A lot of your frustration/anger/rage (and you’re SO entitled to it, as are all fans, and it’s totally understandable) seems to be wrapped up in what they said and the picture they tried to paint. SCREW WHAT THEY SAY. Seriously. Can you get past their BS press conferences and answers to the press? Can you put that aside and focus on what the team does, not what they say?
Songs, we’ve all heard it before and from many sources, so I’m not claiming you made it up, but where is the proof that Reid’s job is on the line? Has he recently gotten an extension? Yes. Has there been any suggestions of anything, other than fan or media speculation, to suggest that Reid’s job is on the line? Nope. Not at all. So that’s just speculation. So using that as part of your argument is weak at best. Reid’s job is not on the line. His team made it to the playoffs last year, and was decimated by injuries. Since then his team has played 1 game. 1. So he’s succeeded consistently, including the most recent season, got an extension, and lost 1 game so far. His job is far from on the line. Some fans may wish otherwise, and some may even think otherwise. But there’s nothing at all to prove it, and plenty of fact to suggest otherwise.
Schill-
Its getting old. There are other teams that FO is more forthright with stuff. This team acts like they have won 3 Super Bowl and the people that defend act like we have 6 . you know what? 1 ring and I am then behind them but after 12 years of , 0 time outs, watching the oppent kneel with 2 mins to go, failing to get 1 stinking yard, predictable pass happy play calling, pressers with “I need put players in a better postion” , and mistreatment of our Super Start players I have 0 confidence. Thats what amazes me about how you defned them tooth and nail and lash at guys like me and Songs that are angry and want results. Let me tell you, in the NY market this FO and coach would last week. The media in other towns are advocated for the FANS and demand results and for some reason here in philly , the media are advocates for a FAILURE of a owner, FO and coach. Like i said, if they win me a Bowl then I am on board but I have seen nothing but failure.
I’ve wished for 11 years, let me be very specific, the Eagles..top to bottom, to win a SB. Have I given up on Reid? Lets just say my faith isn’t what it used to be. I think he’s a decent coach but his game plan is getting stale and predictable. The Offense should be new just like they players we have and play to the strengths of the players, not have the players play to the strength of the system. Do I hate AR..not really, do I constantly fault the FO for mistakes they make, well, you can’t always win in this league and they’ve had some real misses in the past but the skill players we have now didn’t just show up to the Linc on their own either. The past 11 years have been a mixed bag of ups and downs, good players and busts, blowouts and heartbreaking looses. It all comes with the territory (sic). If Reid cannot re-invent this franchise with the talent he has now then I would say his time here is up and we need to move in a different direction, however..if he can make this team into something then I don’t see the harm in keeping him around.
PW, you never answered my question. What could I have done, as a fan, to keep 5 here? What did you do? “Do what you do for Kolb” isn’t an answer, it’s a deflection..did AR write that for you?
ozz – trust me on this, I am 100% with you in terms of being against the media and particularly the philly sports media. I think the structure of the NFL/media/fans is messed up in terms of all the mandatory press access, staged press conferences and contract stipulations that include talking to the media. Though I disagree, with maybe the exception of Greenbay which is a unique situation, that the fans can and/or should have any ‘democratic’ say or influence as to what the teams do. That’s just not realistic in this world. If you were coach/owner/key FO person….would you listen to the fans, or the media. Would you worry about their perception of you either way? Would you want them to have influence? Hell no. I’m not just talking about the Eagles here, any coach or FO person – it’s their job to specifically block out the media and fans – I don’t care if you’re Belichek, Rex Ryan, Andy Reid, or whoever, pick you coach/owner, and you want to make decisions about the the team without worrying about the fans or media. You’re put in those positions to make the best rational decisions, not govern.
Schill I think the proof could be there because the eagles FO is showing change in letting B dawk go, Letting Mcnabb go and Brian Westbrook go. These are all key players to our success in recent years so why not have the thought in that Andy Reid may be next? I do agree that Andy Reid will not be fired this year even if the go 0-16. Its more likely Marty will be fired but me personaly NONE of this is Martys fault andy reid makes the final call in the plays. All along philly you have been asking for mcnabb to be gone but you see now it never was Mcnabb it was Andy. Its time to move on philly. Leslie Frazier awaits