Andy Reid and Kevin Kolb believe the young quarterback did a good job of taking what the defense was giving him on Sunday against the Washington Redskins.
Kolb said the Skins were playing a defense that forced him to take the short throws, but he did say there was an opening for a downfield completion a time or two, that he may have missed.
“[The Redskins] were playing the style of defense that called for that”, Kolb said yesterday. “Going back and watching the film, there may have been one or two that I could have been more aggressive on, but as a whole, I think I had to do that, and take what they give me. If you get too aggressive, and don’t play your own system, and play what they’re giving you, then you’re not making the right reads.”
Eagles wide receiver Jeremy Maclin seemed to have seen more openings for downfield throws. He believes the Birds must connect on more of those plays, if the team’s offense is to flourish. The second-year wide receiver from Missouri said there were “some opportunities [for deeper throws] last game that we didn’t take advantage of”.
He went on to place more of an emphasis on connecting on the downfield throws than Kolb by saying, “If we get our opportunities, we’ve got to take them. That’s the most important part”.
It’s going to be interesting to see if Kolb and Maclin are on the same page during and after the Niners game. How will the Niners defend the Eagles passing game? Will they play a conservative double zone defense as the Redskins employed? If he faces that defenses, will Kolb take enough shots downfield to keep his wide receivers content.
Kolb says he’s eager to do whatever is necessary to lead the team to victory but he’s not focusing on trying to win back a starting job. “Again, if I get it into all of that, then I’m focusing on the wrong things. My focus right now is to go beat San Francisco and make sure I do my part to do that”.
A defense is going to play like that all game if you don’t challenge them. Their zone defense was ready to be beat by deep corner routes, seam routes and deep sideline routes. Zones can be beat especially when you have decent protection. It’s not like he didn’t have that this game. He was just scared of getting booed out the stadium. I don’t want to hear “taking what the defense gives me”. That’s bull crap. His problem is anything he throws over 15 yards is likely to get hit my a defender or intercepted because he has no velocity. If the wide receivers aren’t wide open, he can’t hit them. He’s definitely not going to win his job back by making Owen Schmitt the number 1 receiver. Vick took his job because Vick could stand in the pocket, get hit and still make all the throws all over the field. Another team will play man underneath and zone over the top for Jackson and Maclin, let’s see what he does then.
Agreed SCORP, its just like a point gaurd with a sick handle against a 2-3 zone…you can take them out of what they are trying to do with those deep corner routes. We have the speed on the outside to make big plays against the zone, but we dont have the trigger man. Does Kolb believe that Vick wasent seeing those same coverages?..lmao!…When they got those zone looks, Vick Jackson and Maclin TORCHED THEM!..Matter of fact if i have to watch a game of FB check downs and we win??? I will HATE THAT!!
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Maclin is just as right as he has been all along. His reputation speaks for itself….
You have to be able to read the zone and trust that your receivers will be able to find the spots in the zone and you have to deliver the ball. Period.
I just hope #10 & #18 don’t get hurt while #7 is out…Andy & Marty will have to call for more underneath throws to get the playmakers involved
scorp – you’re damn right he is not going to win his job back by racking up short completions to schmidty. BUT, if he is able to build upon his (limited and relatively minor) success, and continue to improve, very little by very little, in the time that Vick is the starter, but inured from time to time, than maybe Kolb develops into a much better QB than his now. So he got pretty good at the check downs/underneath stuff (didn’t Donovan struggle with that, even last year?), then maybe he can build on it and mix in more down the field/intermediate stuff (he did that v. KC and NO)… then he can improve.
Regardless of the hate/brash judgements/’he’s a bum’…. talk…. IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERY EAGLES FAN FOR KOLB TO IMPROVE AND DEVELOP. The man is under contract, knows the offense, and is much farther along the path of being a effective QB for the Eagles than any other project they might start now. SO, while Vick is our #1 QB, and the obvious choice between him and Kolb, why not root for the development/improvement – however small, gradual, or slow, of Kolb?
Even best case scenario, he’ll have down games (Peyton Manning does….) but, if he’s able to consistently hit the underneath stuff, then add in the intermediate and deep routes over time, then he will improve and that is good for all eagles fans.
An aggressive and succesful Offense dictates the pace,and the type of game being played.
You have to be aggresive and attack the Defenses to make big plays which is what the NFL and this
Eagle Offense is best suited at doing with the talented WR they have.
The Eagles are not built to sustain 12-14 play drives to score TD”s on a consistent basis for a variety of reasons
#1) No commitment to a running game
#2) Average O/Line
#3) Committ too many penalties
The Eagles offense has been built by AR over the years to take shots down the field, If they are unable or unwilling to do this, they have no chance to be successful and score any points
Kolb is not a matured QB who can beat the zones with corner routes right now. You are all correct about that. He’s not a polished, good QB right now. And if you’re comparing him right now, to what you want from a starting, vet QB, yeah, he simply doesn’t measure up. But has he played (cumulatively) HALF a season yet, 8 full games, 32 quarters? Nope. Some say it takes a year of playing time for a young QB to begin to play at a high level, some say more time is needed. There are exceptions to that of course, but if you buy that QBs need time to develop (and they may look crappy during that time), and you should by that because there’s abundant proof, than IT IS STILL TOO EARLY to tell what Kolb will be later this season and down the road.
In the meantime, Vick is hear (when healthy) to light things up. That’s a good thing. We have an athletic freak of a stud QB (hopefully he keeps it up against stiffer competition), and a developing project behind him. We also have impatient/negative media and fans who often don’t see the big picture….. but we have a good situation at QB.
(anyone hear about Zona starting an undrafted rookie at QB this week?). Love #1 WRs? Would you rather have Fitzy and their situation or ours? Just curious…
Schill you make some strong points. Vick the is the #1 and Kolb is the clear cut #2 but having two good QBs on the roster only helps us, so yes it would be beautiful to see Kolb step up in the pocket set his feet and stick a deep in/out/post/corner. IN time he will be more comfortable and hopefully this is the game.
KT – that’s the thing, Time is the thing that we have now. Sure the CBA thing is strange and mysterious as to next year, and yeah, Parker will get old… but this team is young. So if we are rebuilding (all be it with weapons, and a talented stud of a QB when healthy, something most ‘rebuilding’ teams don’t have), there is reason to be optimistic in the big picture. The big goal is to get a superbowl. Not to get a superbowl this year. Sure, it sucks to watch games like this past sunday, and maybe have a bad season (which this is not yet, we’re still tied for first and anything can happen), but if they do win a superbowl in the next few years, everyone will be happy then. Am I wrong about that?
So essentially, for the Eagles organization, players and fans, the biggest problem is impatience and negativity – two things the fans and media EXCEL at.
Lift your chin up and look downfield dude.30 YARD DEEP DIGS WIDE OPEN, and the dude takes a check down.
Go Phills.Doctober.
he’s scored 9 pts in 5 qtrs
he’s a bum i dont wanna hear all this bs
schill the trade was made based on this guy being a starting qb right now
i dont wanna hear all this hogwash of he aint ready right now
he was so ready 5 months ago
whats the big picture ? kolb hahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahahahhaa
all man please tell us another 1 schill im dying right now that was good
very sad but i will be missing my 1st eagle game in like 20 something yrs
i just refuse to watch this borefest coming up
PW – So you say the big picture is what happened this past summer, and what was said. Those are things of the past. The winners of the superbowl for the next 5-10 years, will be determined by who wins games from this point on. So you are staying in the past, while I’m focusing on the present and future. You see the difference there? If the Eagles win a superbowl with Vick (I’m getting way ahead of the situation, but still), will anyone be saying “nope, this championship doesn’t count because of what the team did with Donovan or what they said/marketed”? Hell no. So it’s not about what they did or said. It’s about what might happen. If they win one with Kolb eventually, then will anyone be like, “nope, this championship doesn’t count, because Kolb sucked it up his first few games as a QB”. Nope.
Can you wrap your head around that?
schill its cool i cant change ur opinion and u cant change mine and thats the beauty of sports we all have probably good opinions from ppl who watch alot of sports im good with that
but with that said i think he stinks so i dont know what u mean 4 5 yrs from now
ur the main 1 with this just look at the next game approach and no1 can predict the future
how the hell u know he will even be here next yr
i know u will drum up a 100 points to defend urself and thats fine but the proof is in the pudding
if i were vegas and had odds on kolb being here 4 yrs down the road those odds certainly wouldnt be in ur favor and i think u know that 2 regardless of what u reply
again would i like him to be tom brady certainly but i dont see it
i say the same thing about the sixers supposed stud 2nd yr guard whom i think stinks
jrue holliday
he’s the 2nd coming of eric snow yet recieves the praise of allen iverson or something i cant take it
jrue holliday will avg about 12 n 6 for a career e snow #’s
i dont want u to think im picking on kolb he seems like a cool dude just not a good qb same with jrue
jrue kolb is what i call them
same playr diff sports
pw – agreed on those vegas odds. But I’m not saying Kolb will be here in 4 yrs. I’m saying, IF he is, and successful (at any point in the future, not just 4 yrs…), your current opinion of him will mean nothing. That’s all.
And as Jrue Holliday, yeah, I’m with the mainstream on him – I think he’s a young stud who has the potential to develop into a stellar point guard. I think your Allen Iverson comparison is revealing – do you see no difference between a point guard and a shooting guard? Your a basketball guy, so I’d expect you to know that that Allen Iverson rarely played the PG position in Philly, and when he did, he was ignoring the main roles of PG – pass the ball, manage the court, and create for other players. You seem to want Holliday to score a lot. I say his offense will develop in time, but you’re missing the POINT (pun intended) if you evaluate what his career will be as a point guard, by how many points he scores in his early career on a shitty team!
And overall, yeah, you’re a – “i call it how I see it guy”, and I’m a “take it one game at a time, you can’t predict the future” guy.
Yep, we’re different types, and it is what makes being a sports fan, especially in this modern environment with techonology…etc… interesting.
But let me ask you this – which point of view do coaches and mentors tell their teams and players to have? Which is considered time-trusted wisdom across all sports? I’m not trying to say ‘look how smart I am’ – I’m trying to say – I don’t deserve any credit AT ALL – this is COMMON SENSE. But hey, that’s just my opinion v. yours.
And pw – by saying you know all about Jrue and Kolb’s careers at this point – do you think players never improve beyond their first year of playing time in the pros?
If you interviewed ANY profession athlete – from guys who had so-so careers, to all time HOFs and the Michael Jordan’s of the world, and asked them if they improved past their first year of playing time (Kolb has less than half an NFL season of playing time so don’t give me that “4 yr. vet” crap), THEY WOULD FLAT OUT UNANIMOUSLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
Have you considered that? Do you really think people don’t improve over their careers?
what do you epect PW,
JH learned to shoot for IGGY…what did they have, 63 pts last evening.. Terrible
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Jeezuz Christ….is this ShillerandPhillywill.com….you guys should get a room.
Go Phills.
and to the Maclin half of this article…
wait, a WR wants more down the field passes? That’s absurd. That’s like saying baseball players want to hit home runs and shooting guards want to make baskets….hogwash
I guess it’s a good thing that Kolb will get an opportunity to “grow” in the next few weeks, but I just don’t see what exactly he can build on. I watch Kevin Kolb play, and I see the Detmer brothers. Sure, they understand the game (father was also a coach). They both excelled at the college level (Ty won the heisman and shattered college passing records at BYU), but at the end of the day they didn’t have the physical attributes to be successful at the pro level. Kolb does not throw the ball with any zip at all. He doesn’t appear to make good decisions, and he can’t move all that well. Even if you can improve on 1 or 2 of those, he’s still going to have a girly arm.
Whatever. It wouldn’t kill be to see Kolb traded. I’d rather have Vick for the next 3-5 years easily. Don’t tell me all this crap about him not being able to make those throws now when all offseason all we heard was how much better Kolb will be in this offense with the rest of the “young guns”. Don’t tell me the team isn’t going to miss a beat but then can’t even operate the offense better than McNabb did. Even with McNabb’s shortcomings this team did set a franchise record for points last year. I don’t want to hear it. Everyone can make excuses for him all they want. He should be ready NOW to make those throws. Has he been practicing them for the last 3 years? Sure he’s going to make mistakes but dude is just flat out scared to make one and you can’t play QB in this league with that mindset. Dink and dunk would be fine if we had a running game to go with it and a defense that is shut down. But we don’t and they are not so we have to score points quickly and in bunches. Not because we want to but because we have to. If not, this team won’t win. NO ONE HAS TIME FOR KOLB’S DEVELOPMENT. Not even Reid which is why he went Vick. If Reid wanted to wait for Kolbs development and he didn’t mind the wait he would have never lost his job.
Point blank…. Kolb has a much better chance of being the same or regressing. Even if he get’s a little better, he could just be Jeff Garcia in his prime. I know I’m not going to keep paying for a “project QB” when you had a franchise one and you still have one. I can’t wait til Vick comes back so Kolb can go back to holding a clipboard.
“Kolb says he’s eager to do whatever is necessary to lead the team to victory”
Well, thats all good that he feels that way but talk is cheap, Show me the win..lol
schill mike jordan lmao
mike avg’d 30 as a rook please
Biggest problem Sunday is not going to be whether Kolb takes what they give them or goes deep
The two biggest problems
McCoy can’t play or is limited in his ability and the Eagles have no running game
McCoy is getting better each game
The O line gives up too many sacks -although Kolb scrambled pretty good against the Skins 2 for 21 yards and a 32 yarder called back for holding but that can’t keep up without another QB injury
RCP, the biggest problem is the run defense. The o-line protect pretty decent on Sunday. Beside Mr. False start they were ok. I would like to see what they do now against a more agressive defense. Washington didn’t blitz a lot a rushed 3-4 people most of the game.
yeah…that sounds like a great idea…Do what the defense wants you to do.
Boy..where did they get this guy?
songs, sure we all want vick to come back and play well, and for them to extend him and him to have continued success. That aside, do you want your #2 to just be any dude, or to not improve? Or do you want your #2 QB to improve, however slow it may be and however bad he may look in the process?
Also, best case scenario, Vick will age eventually. At that point, would you like to have a vastly improved Kolb (down the road) or nothing behind Vick?
I meant scorp, my b
Let’s talk about the things Kolb will not be able to do when he’s fully developed..His arm will still be weak…he’ll still be slow.
The most we can hope from Kolb is what we seen last weekend. Why can’t we get use to the fact that the Kevin Kolb we see now is all there is? Is that anywhere in the realm of possibilities?…and if it is..why people are not willing to deal with that as a reality?
rcp – yeah, McCoy sure looks great, and seems to be improving steadily. (I love the guy and as a Pitt alumn, I’m proud to say I’m biased in his favor though…)
But he’s the only player than can improve with experience, time and maturity in the NFL. That could possibly happen to Kolb now could it?
Songs, agreed on the slow thing. And doesn’t lifting weights strengthen an arm? Isn’t that the kind of thing you can do over time.. lifting weights? I though it was… just checking.
Are Brady and Manning known for their big arms? Nope. McNabb and Vick are, but they have 0 SB rings….
Songs – as to your second point “The most we can hope from Kolb is what we seen last weekend. Why can’t we get use to the fact that the Kevin Kolb we see now is all there is? Is that anywhere in the realm of possibilities?…and if it is..why people are not willing to deal with that as a reality?”
— that IS in the realm of reality. So is that he improves. It’s one or the other. But we DONT KNOW. You, although by saying ‘anywhere in the realm of possibilities’ you suggest that we don’t know, claim to know that ‘the most we can hope (for) from Kolb is what we (have) seen last weekend.’
I’m not saying I like Kolb. – I don’t and never have. But I’m saying WE DON’T KNOW. It’s possible he never improves or achieves any success in the NFL. IT IS. It is also possible that he does improve and achieves success.
My point of view says that people can’t predict the future and accounts for all possibilities of reality. Yours doesn’t.
You get that?
I think White guys just can’t play QB for this AR/WCO Eagle Offense..
They are too slow, can’t jump and have girly arms…
Extend M Vick for 4 years,Trade Kolb to the Vikings for Tavaris Jackson and see what happens
Convert Kafka to a back-up TE and draft a young black QB next season (the kid from NC State looks very good) and please don’t tell me about J Garcia, for he’s part Latino…
the reason we r dogs to the lowly defeated niners is because no vick
simple as that cut and dry
if vick plays we r like 4 to 6 pt fav’s
so rcp the biggest problem this week is us miisng our starting qb period no sugar coating for this scrub
vegas dont lie
vegas dont lie. Vegas does get NFL predictions wrong some of the time.
@ Paul, white guys can….Kolb cant!..lmao…A.J did fine out of nowhere..lmao…he didnt need 10 years of grooming..he got right in there and played. Is he an elite franchise qb? No!, but at least u saw him do his thing. Kolb is scared, take all that back woods Texas rattlesnake, Knife Hunting, Fishing B.S back down to Dallas Cowboy fan land!..I dont even want a COWBOYS FAN as our Franchise qb!
schill…please stop mentioning Brady and Manning in the same sentence with Kolb …please
mention Koy Detmer…there’s nothing ..absolutely nothing we’ve seen in Kolb to make us believe he’ll be anything near those guys.
Brady and Manning can get the ball down the field….How long did it take Brady to Develop?
That answers volumes.
We all know you like to look on the bright side…but Kolb is what he is..A 26 year old without a strong arm, immobile. scared, can not read a defense QB.
Let me give you the score Early…….49er’s 26 Eagles 17
10 come in garbage time ….Kolb listening to the critics attempts to get the ball down field in the game and throw 2 early interceptions.
Gore…runs for 165 yards on 18 carries.
Kolb look dejected on the sideline and the Philly media scurrying to protect Kolb’s fragile psyche by going after Andy Reid while refusing to point out that the 26 year old man is garbage.
Songs, I mentioned those two to make the point that you don’t need an exceptionally strong arm to play well at QB in the NFL. I never suggested he’s as good as those two, so please react to the point I’m making, not a statement that I didn’t say that you stretched out of my sentence….
Songs, I don’t know how old you are, but were you able to do everything you can now in the beginning of your career? Just curious.
what point can u make for kolb
did u go to houston
r u a relative of him
or did u hate the chiefs last yr
those r the only reasons to have to defend him
its like defending eldra buckley or something
in the words of the monday night crew and chris carter
CMON MAN
Looking at Kolb the same way one would look at a Bradford or Hall this year is absurd. He’s not a rookie, no matter how many starts he has. Yes, he’s not really a veteran either, but he’s had significant playing time in the past three seasons. I expect him to play better this week than last, and I expect a deep ball early to back up the “D” (that’s MM and Reid’s style), then it’s check downs and scrambles after the first time he has a defender in his face.
There’s been years of talk about how Kolb cowers from hits and looks for dump off passes rather than stay in the pocket when he’s touted as a pocket passer. If I remember correctly, there was even some talk of Ried & Company souring on Kolb last summer (not this year), which is partially why Vick was brought in.
I’ll say this about Kolb: he didn’t have a problem looking downfield or trying downfield strikes in any of the previous seasons. The fact that he’s regressed since he took the starter’s role is what has me worried in any way about him.
If the Kolb mold was the way of the future, then why did we draft another “big arm” QB this year?
1 last point u keep mentioning philly media schill but philly media is the only 1 trying to give this bum a shot
nat’l media is the 1 burying him
philly media for some reason defends him like u
sam donnelon ray didinger smallwood all these guys
but watch espn or nfl network and the truth comes out
Schill….come on man….why can’t you compare him to the countless number of QB’s that just didn’t make it?
Let’s do that knowing the chances of a player becoming Hall of Fame QB’s in this league is slim to none.
He need to be put in the same pile as the ….Hoyings and Detmers until proven otherwise. We didn’t know him before he was drafted and I doubt any of us would have known him if he was drafted somewhere else. It’s a shame because he never had the tools to become a star in this league. Never.
He’s not even average which would be just fine for you…I still have your past posts Schill…please let it go before I dedicate the next week with Schill’s memorable comments concerning “Diaper Boy”
This game will show us everything we need to know about Kolb.
Vick is hurt so the shuffling in and out will not be an excuse… His receivers are healthy and ready to play, Mccoy is hurt so we’ll need Kolb’s arm to win the game, and we’re playing against an 0-4 team…that have a worse record than the Lions and Jags.
No excuses!!!!!!!!
This is what I’ve been waiting for…..and when that bum falters….and he will.
Maybe this organization will see their error and throw some money to our future “Vick” for the long term.
songs, do you think there are only two types of NFL QBs – bums ala hoying, detmers, ryan leafs, rodney petes….etc…. and HOFers? Or are you aware that there is a long list of mediocre, to good (but not great) QBs, many of whom have won superbowls?
Let’s take Steve Young, he sucked it up early in his career in the NFL. He didn’t play well until late in his career. See I just said Steve Young. So you’ll say, Kolb isn’t nearly as good as Steve young so don’t compare them schiller. Well guess what I’m not comparing the QB Young turned out to be to Kevin Kolb today. Do you get that? I’m saying, to date, their early careers are both marked with failure.
PW – where have I defended Kolb – NEVER. I’m not defending anyone. I’m saying that you are using a line of thinking that is widely known as limited and dumb. Dismissing a player early in his career as a ‘never will develop’ was wrong on many accounts in the past. That’s the argument I’m trying to make. I have never said, “but Kolb did this well”. I’ve never said “he’s better than you guys are saying”. I never said “he will be good or great”. I never said any of that. I haven’t defended Kolb. I’ve disagreed with the argument that the book is closed on him. That’s all.