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Vick Says He “Cheated” The Falcons

In what is sure to be a weekly feature now that the Eagles are a prime-time team, Michael Vick sat down with Bob Costas before the Eagles game last night, and had some interesting things to say about his time in Atlanta.

When speaking about his work ethic in Atlanta, Vick had this to say:

“I feel like I cheated the organization.  I didn’t give them my all.  I gave them everything on the field, 100 percent but sometimes that’s not enough. This time around, I just wanted to work harder than I ever worked before, not shortchange myself.  I didn’t put in the work and the time and the effort.  I didn’t dedicate myself the way I do now”

While many sources have confirmed this about Vick’s time in Atlanta, it must be frustrating for all people who Vick caused to lose their job with his poor effort hear those words from his mouth. I’m sure Jim Mora heard this and thought of what could have been had Vick worked hard, but what he should have thought of was what he could have done to get through to Vick.

Mora and the rest of the country need to look at it like a relationship. When a guy cheats on his girlfriend, the girlfriend easily labels him a dog (insert Vick joke), and says he is just like the rest, instead of looking at what she could have done to prevent it.

There is no doubt the Eagles got a changed man in Vick, but it is a two way street when it comes to players working hard in practice. Vick would not have cut all the corners if the team made sure he couldnt. Vick has said before that he was the first one out, and last one in all the time in Atlanta. While he should have realized that wasn’t the way to do things, the real question is: why did Atlanta let him. As Garry Cobb put it to me “Someone had to let him out the door.”

Say what you want about Reid, but their is no question that every player in that locker room respects the man and plays hard for him. At practices, he stands back and watches, almost in a lurking manner. When he speaks, the team listens.  You would never see a player disrespect Reid the way some players around the league have done to their coaches recently. Ask Terrell Owens what happens to players that do.

Teams look at Vick and kick themselves for not signing him, but Vick would not have been the same player with almost any other organization. Vick came into a setting where cutting corners was not an option. He watched Donovan McNabb come in every morning and lift. Andy Reid and Marty Morningweigh worked with him regularly, teaching him what it took to become a great QB. There is a reason Tony Dungy told Vick to sign in Philadelphia. Where were those influences in Atlanta?

Many people will credit the big money and big fame Vick got at a young age in Atlanta. But every year a new star is born in the NFL. It is the ones who have a strong organization around them that can manage to keep their head straight.

Yes, Vick should have worked harder, and its good he realizes that.

But his past coaches shoulder some of that blame as well.

Eliot Shorr-Parks

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scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 10:22 am

I agree that it was both Vick’s fault and the organization’s fault. Anytime the owner is pushing you around in the wheelchair you feel like you don’t have to work as hard. And I bet many of his teammates resented him and the organization for that. It all starts from the top. If you’re the head coach and you see the owner doing these things, what are you supposed to say to Vick when he’s not working hard enough? Nothing. Because then you’ll get fired. So the coaches hands were tied behind their back and it seems like none of them stood up against the owner and it’s partly because the owner had more invested and an interest in Vick and not the coach. A coach cannot perform under those circumstances. Period. And then Vick, being gifted like he was and everything coming to him easily, he had no reason to work hard or listen to coaches because there were no consequences.

Not to get too religious, but God will knock you from the mountaintop to the valley if that’s whats necessary for you to get it together. So when you get back to the mountaintop, it’s because you’ve earned it and you will do everything you can to stay there. Everything happens for a reason and what Vick did, had to happen because if it didn’t he would not have been able to transform his life and career. God’s wisdom is greater than our own. And you know it’s God’s work when he takes you down in front of everyone and then raises you back up in front of those same people.

jroc757
jroc757
November 23, 2010 10:27 am

Look……. Mike Vick was young….. Everyone has made mistakes in life and I came up from nothing as well as Vick……. He was a young man with alot of talent who was the face of the Atlanta Falcons for years……. I know when I was 21 years old and I received a 2 dollar raise at my old job HELL i didnt know how to act……. I thought I was BALLIN………….. But a guy like Vick who receive the key to the City in a very much growing populated Atlanta Georgia……. He was getting alot of love and fame at the same time……… Thats alot of pressure but than again alot of arrogance on his behalf but we see that from alot of superstars and they end up losing everything……….. They guy is older and learned his lesson………. He’s got a second chance to prove to the world that anybody can succeed through failure…….!!!!!!!

jroc757
jroc757
November 23, 2010 10:30 am

Scorp…….. GOOD one my man………

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 23, 2010 10:40 am

G Cobb, I agree! the coaches he had in ATL, did not push him the way they should have..that is part of the coaches job, to help your players improve…why coaches wouldnt make him study film more than he did, means they were content with his abilities and did not think outside of the box in developing him into the type of QB he is now, for that alone, they did the man a disservice also…The Falcons loss, was the Eagles gain!

Jim Mora said yesterday on NFL network, that Vick gets all of his votes, while discussing MVP candidates…

jroc757
jroc757
November 23, 2010 10:49 am

Atlanta had that running style of offense……. They ran that fullhouse formation till the wheels fell off……. With Dunn Vick and Duckett……. There leading receiver was crumpler and Brian Finneran………. Yes the coaches should have made Vick a better person at the Qb position and pushed him as well…… But you know what I’m happy he’s in Philly now…… One mans loss is another mans gain……… Falcons loss and we gain a good Qb…… GO BIRDZ

jakedog
jakedog
November 23, 2010 11:21 am

Mora was a clown, a friend of the players, went to movies with them. Reid is far different, more old school, parental figure. Don’t discount the NFL’s role in placing Vick.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
November 23, 2010 11:49 am

Old News,
Anyone that followed his career in Atlanta knew he wasn’t putting out a 100% effort and was immature,
a little arrogant, and lacked the leadership skills to be a real “Franchise QB” as many high-profile athletes and others are when success and big $$$ comes their way at a young age…
What’s important now in 2010, is what he has now become, a mature Professional NFL QB,
a Leader, a great Teammate and now the face of the Eagles Franchise and possibly the entire NFL.
Vick has had plenty of help from good people through-out this process from T Dungy, Coach AR, MM, the QB Coaches and teammates/players like D McNabb,Kolb and others have given Vick the support
and direction on re-establishing himself as a top NFL Qb, but more importantly, on how VIck to carry himself, how to get that work ethic back, how to compete at the highest level, to master his craft as a QB and the Eagles System.. When vick looks back at 2009 in which he saw the field very little or made almost no impact, he will probably say it was the most important year of his life Personally & Professionally as he got his life back into perspective and under his own control again.
Happy Thanksgiving & Congrats to the Vick and Eagle Family and to all those who have helped this man get back on his feet as a person and as a player for all have much to be thankful for…
Now it’s time for Eagle and Football fans to enjoy this immense talent who is changing the way the QB postion can be played at the highest level..

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 12:06 pm

On a side note anyone interested in any of the below Authentic jerseys:

Randall Cunningham Kelly Green with the Jerome brown patch
Brian Westbrook 75th anniversary (Yellow and blue)
Desean Jackson 2010 Pro Bowl

All letters, numbers and logos stitched on. Tags on all jerseys.

ChuckRob
ChuckRob
November 23, 2010 12:19 pm

Yeah the same thing is going on with Vince Young in Tennessee right now. These QBs need support systems to help groom them and to teach them how to be great. You can’t always have yes men around you, and Athletic talent can get you far, but the total package will take you further. I like the plenty of help comment that included Kevin Kolb. Yeah Vick learned a lot from Kevin Kolb…LOL… This season can be special if everyone takes it one game at a time. This train is picking up steam and the tracks are going to get a little bumpy. Stay focused…

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
November 23, 2010 12:28 pm

Remember the situation in Atlanta was a bit different too when Vick was drafted.
Owner Blank was a relatively new owner in the NFL with a brand new stadium (Georgia Dome) and had a superstar athelete in Vick as the new Face of the Falcon Franchise, which was not a very good or stable team at the time.. They had Coaches who did not work with Mike, a new Owner and Front Office new to how to run an organization and then having a young,immature player with huge upside and now huge $$$$ was probably a recipe for disappointment and worse for all involved..

If anyone wants to parallel Vicks situation from when he was back in Atlanta to 2010, just take a look of what’s happening in Tennessee and the Vince Young situation..

erock
erock
November 23, 2010 12:53 pm

Bout time he got on the SI cover too. Bring on the Bears and there defense too.Go Birds.

Scorp..this aint ebay.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 1:03 pm

Wait a second, Elliott. “[I]t must be frustrating for all people who Vick caused to lose their job with his poor effort hear those words from his mouth.” What kind of statement is that?

In the NFL, everyone stands on his individual performance. GMs make good and bad decisions and are held accountable. Coaches teach, motivate and decide who plays, and they are accountable for that. Players play and are accountable for their individual performances.

How is that a QB who led his team to the NFC Championship is held responsible for anyone getting canned? He admittedly did not give his best, but he was still a pro bowler.

Was Atlanta’s GM accountable for giving Vick no talent? What about all the other underachievers?

Certainly, Atlanta drafted people in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds. How many were pro bowlers? Are they accountable for any losing jobs?

Coaches get canned all the time, then resurface as successful position coaches or even head coaches. What’s Jim Mora doing now?

If Reid gets canned is it on Greg Lewis, LJ Smith, the Andrews Sisters, Doug Pederson, or Donovan McNabb for that matter?

I find that statement utterly ridiculous.

btc24
btc24
November 23, 2010 1:32 pm

Gotta agree with drummer here. Good points.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 1:34 pm

For people losing their jobs “because of Vick”, that’s squarely on the owner. He’s the one that places Vick above them and hogtied the coaches to where they couldn’t enforce things like they wanted to. It’s indirectly Vick’s fault because he didn’t help their case. You know what they say “if the star player doesn’t believe in you then no one is going to believe in you”. So if Vick isn’t listening to the coaches then it’s hard to get everyone else on board. And let’s face it, it’s easier to get rid of a coach who makes a couple million a year than a pro bowl player who you have over 100 million to. Even with Vick and all his flaws back then, who you taking… Vick or Jim Mora Jr.? That’s a no brainer but again it’s the owners fault because he established the fact that Vick was above the coaches.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 1:35 pm

And Erock, are you interested?

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 1:53 pm

The Georgia Dome was built 10 years before Arthur Blank became owner and 9 years before Vick was drafted. If that’s brand new, then what is the Linc? This was not like a new owner that just built a new stadium a couple years before drafting a superstar QB. The stadium was already there and Vick was drafted the year before Blank became owner. So I agree in the fact that Blank was a new owner and really didn’t know what he was doing but use accurate information because the picture you are trying to paint is a little blurry when facts are used.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:05 pm

Scorp,

Don’t get too excited because I may not be able to do anything, but how much are you looking for?

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:07 pm

Scorp

Way to hold em to the facts. You can tell when people “act” as if they are cheering for Vick, but secretly hope he fails. I’m not saying that that is the case here. I’m just sayin. . .

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:07 pm

btc

Thanks for keeping an open mind.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:10 pm

See this is how it started with McNabb. Before it was all over, he was responsible for the federal deficit.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 2:17 pm

Drummer, I agree some are secretly hoping Vick fails. There are a couple reasons. They still can’t get past what happened and/or for some unknown reason they feel some type of allegiance to Kevin Kolb. But I also thing people that resented McNabb being traded secretly wanted Kolb to fail so they could say “I told you so”. You can probably tell who is secretly rooting for failure when they are overly critical towards one player and more optimistic with the other when the situation is almost equivalent. I just think everyone should be consistent across the board. Give as much criticism (if it’s warranted) to each player as the next and praise as well. Try not to go overboard either way. But I also know it’s hard to do that when you feel strongly about one player or the other. Think it’s just something that we can’t help and will have to deal with, probably forever when it comes to sports. When you just don’t like a guy, you are quick to point out his failures and when you do like him, you are quick to defend. Human nature. I don’t agree but I do understand.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 2:23 pm

Drummer, 45 a piece.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 23, 2010 2:31 pm

@Scorp and drummer

This is the problem I have with the Kolb vs Vick scenario as of this moment…There are facts that people can look at to determine that the Eagles made the right choice at QB based on each guys performance…my issue is this, regardless of these facts people still try to disect Vick and talk about him reverting back to his old self. Meanwhile, not looking at the person that would be Vick’s replacement, if the other person fails to have an open mind, I think thats when people become overly critical of the player they are supporting..After what Vick has done this year there are people still not impressed, but still want Kolb? Which leads me to believe that its no longer about football…The fact of the matter is, if you break down Vick and Kolb this season, the decision should be easy…When it comes to Vick vs Kolb I will be overly critical because the facts are there to support whatever comes out of my mouth…

bsmvideos
November 23, 2010 2:35 pm

Every body who clocks off early or runs their mouth when they are supposed to be working cheats the employer. Every time I see an offensive lineman with no muscles or any football player, they cheat the organization.

Vick put butts in the seats, ratings on TV and sold a ton of jerseys, and video games. Atlanta got a good return on their investment.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:36 pm

BSM

Wooo!! Takin’ it to another level!!! I certainly agree. They made a ton of money off of Vick.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 2:38 pm

RealTalk, I agree. Anyone who think Kolb should be starting over Vick, has not seen any of the games Vick has played in. Because they surely aren’t basing that opinion on football but clear disdain for Vick being the starter. I’d rather those people just say “I don’t like Vick” rather thank reaching to the sky to find reasons why he shouldn’t be the starter. Being honest is a lot more respectable then looking like an idiot when what you say doesn’t match up with what’s happening on the field. And here’s another funny thing. Those that hated McNabb and wanted Kolb to start say things like “Reid was right when he traded McNabb”. Here’s my thought on that: I’m pretty sure we would be questioning that if Kolb was the QB because we would probably be a .500 team. It’s easy to say that when Vick has taken his game to a level that Andy didn’t even see coming. But those jokers are a different story.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 23, 2010 2:44 pm

@Scorp

Exactly!

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:48 pm

Real

In all honesty, I have a preference, but I try to keep an open mind and look at all the facts. I would guess that we all have preferences. Like you, my problem begins when people “make no attempt” to be fair or open-minded.

Immediately after the McNabb trade, there seemed to be a complete reversal of how the QB position was viewed. While McNabb was considered the sole cause of the team’s failures, Kolb was considered a victim of circumstance.

One person went so far as to blame Maclin and Jackson for Kolb’s shortcomings, stating that they played scared against Washington. Since then, Jackson’s had his block knocked off and returned like a ferocious lion. If anything should have scared him, it should have been that last concussion.

I agree with you. If you’re going to be overly critical of one QB, then apply that same view to the other.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:50 pm

Scorp

Not bad. If you have them at the week’s end, I can probably grab one. My email address is drummerwinslow@hotmail. Hit me there and we work out the details.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 2:51 pm

This is all that matters…..

an interesting quote from Jason Avant that seems to sum up well how the team sees Vick.

“We look up to him. The Bible says, ‘The righteous man falls seven times but he gets up again.’ He’s getting up and trying, and it’s helping him and helping our team. Guys look at him not as a quarterback; we look at him as an inspiration. We look at him as a guy who has been through hell and back-and he’s conquered it.”

As long as those guys in the locker room believes in him, then what a few self righteous people think, means squat.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 2:56 pm

Exactly drummer. Some blamed Avant from dropping a hail mary pass instead of questioning why “Mr, Checkdown” didn’t attack the Redskins. They didn’t care. It was all bout how bad the defense played against the run and Avant dropping that pass. And against the Titans you’d think Ellis Hobbs played both offense and defense with all the blame he took. Even though we were basically shut out the second half and couldn’t sustain drives. I agree with all the criticism to the other parts of the team but you can’t ignore one person’s shortcomings because you want him to succeed. And you’re right, the entire view of the QB position changed. If McNabb would have lost that game against the Titans we would have been talking about all the 3 and outs McNabb has. But go back and look at some of those threads and see how many people jump out just to defend Kolb and spread out the blame. Utterly ridiculous.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 2:56 pm

Good stuff, Scorp.

greenfan
greenfan
November 23, 2010 3:03 pm

why are people spending so much time talking about our 3rd string qb….the team is on a winning streak, playing great ball, but people want to take time to bash the backup qb…if you ask me, there are people on here who are not happy just to follow the team. I will not assign motives because I don’t understand it.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 23, 2010 3:06 pm

@scorp

appreciate you sharing that quote!

greenfan
greenfan
November 23, 2010 3:11 pm

sorry…meant 2nd string qb…typo

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 3:16 pm

greenfan, you may want to read the entire thread. No one is bashing Kolb. In fact I don’t have a problem with him. We are marely talking about the FANS and our inconsistent treatment of our QBs.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 3:24 pm

Green

I believe that Kolb has proven himself to be an NFL QB. I took exception to Eliot Shorr-Parks’ statement that Vick was responsible for others losing their jobs.

greenfan
greenfan
November 23, 2010 3:36 pm

why bring Kolb into it then? He had nothing to do with the previous statement. If you were trying to show relativity why wouldn’t you compare it to the Farve situation in Green Bay that just unfolded. His lack of performance had a great deal to do with getting a coach fired.

I just don’t know why people keep piling on Kolb. The majority of NFL teams would love to be in our position with the hottest qb playing and a backup that has been able to fill in and win games. Whay throw all the negative stuff at a guy who isn’t playing.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 3:38 pm

green, because we are talking about fans treatment of our QBs. Hello, Kolb is a QB. So if that’s what the conversation is about then Kolb will be mentioned. Don’t like it? Ignore it and move to another discussion. That’s pretty simple.

phillywill
phillywill
November 23, 2010 3:38 pm

agreed he has proven to be a serviceable back up he’s ok in 35 to 40 % of his games
kolb that is

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 23, 2010 3:40 pm

Well these quotes are interesting:
“Being honest is a lot more respectable then looking like an idiot when what you say doesn’t match up with what’s happening on the field”
“regardless of these facts people still try to disect Vick and talk about him reverting back to his old self.”

Really Realtalk…and Scorp….have you considered these ‘facts’. Have you seen these things going on the field?
Why has Vick hit only one hot read this year (maclin)? (that I can remember anyway)
Why hasn’t he hit one quick slant against a blitz?
Why does he run so much?
Why was he in the shotgun 32 TIMES against the Giants?
Why does he always take 5 and 7 step drops from those shotguns….why does he need so much time?
Does he have trouble reading Ds?
and before you say…its ’cause of the Giants pass rush…that doesn’t explain why he was in the shotgun 31x against the Skins…..
Why did football outsiders rank him 16th best performance this week?

Look, frankly it is very annoying to be told by people who refuse to acknowledge any of Vick’s shortcomings, that all I do is see the negatives. Its a two way street. I look at the guy with a critical eye, you guys look with rose coloured glasses. I absolutely reject any of the insinuations that this is because of some agenda of mine, or that its not about football (insert veiled allegations of racism here). Have you read me pull a Rush Limbaugh and drop a “the only reason you guys ignore Vick’s faults is because you are just hoping for a black QB because you want a black QB to succeed.” Of course not. To do so would be a disgusting assault on your characters. So please cut that shit out with me.

I look at Vick with a critical eye because I don’t think dude has learned his craft. Regardless of what the talking heads on TV say, I don’t think he makes progressions or proper reads unless he has 9 seconds like on the pass to Avant. (the one example that keeps getting touted as a “look at him go through his progressions and hit his 3rd option!!”) Its look to one guy and then run. Sunday, he didn’t once fire a quick shot to the side where they were bringing DBs and LBs every play in the 3rd and 4th. A 10 year veteran QB should eat that shit up. And he didn’t. And what about him holding the ball at his hip 6 or 7 seconds in to the first play when he was stripped. A 10 year vet should never make that mistake.

Finally Scorp….and again…who is being blind and seeing only what they want to see?
“Some blamed Avant from dropping a hail mary pass instead of questioning why “Mr, Checkdown” didn’t attack the Redskins. ”
Vick completed 7 passes that game. 5 to McCoy. If he had continued, McCoy would have caught 20 balls…both QBs were in checkdown mode, not just Kolb.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 3:40 pm

No one is piling on Kolb at all. Not sure where you are even getting this from. The entire part of that discussion was about how we as fans have been biased and inconsistent of the treatment of our QBs. And to support our claims, we have to use examples. Doesn’t mean people are piling on Kolb, just showing when fans are not being fair. Seriously, I think you may need to read the thread over because you are clearly not paying attention.

phillywill
phillywill
November 23, 2010 3:43 pm

people keep piling on kolb because its fun now lol
for those of us who did not beleieve in him and had to sit thru an offseason of hearing how he is the savior and joe montanna of the west coast offense its histerical
but what i dont get is during this time and im not singling any1 out evry1 hated mcnabb and scoffed at the thought of vick surpassing the almighty kolb
i mean kolb did beat the chiefs last yr and some of u who likem ignored his 3 ints vs saints and look at his garbage time yards
i mean y the hell wouldnt we switch qbs after u eat up the chiefs d at home lmao
this is y for me i cant speak for any1 else

phillywill
phillywill
November 23, 2010 3:45 pm

vinnie 1 ?
who’s the best qb on this team
ok so ur arguments r a moot point

d5 way to throw for 370 on those tennessee ravens
i thought they were the ravens whne we played them my god lmao

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
November 23, 2010 3:46 pm

Green

Who’s piling on? Not one person has said anything negative about Kolb. It seems that you’re being defensive. We’re talking about fans and media and their treatment of Philadelphia QBs. What’s Favre got to do with that?

When it comes to McNabb and Vick, some fans and media seem overly critical, but wherein Kolb is concerned, it’s a different story.

Your post is prime example. You jumped in to defend Kolb although no one’s said anything negative about him.

phillywill
phillywill
November 23, 2010 3:48 pm

and vinnie r u seriosly talkin about the skins game that in 3 qtrs of play kolb couldnt to manage to do what we did in 2 possessions this game
like seriously man get some better material for ur arguments u sound ridic
hey what was kolb performance rating in his last gm vin
48 rating probably last in league

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
November 23, 2010 3:49 pm

Vinnie, seriously? You’re talking about what Vick did in one quarter vs what Kolb did in 3 quarters. Is it possible that in the beginning of the game you’re trying to get a feel for what the defense is doing? I guess not in your mind. Again, you can be as critical as you want. We already know how you stand. The FACT remains the team is undefeated with him as the QB, he’s been the NFC offensive player of the week and couple times and player of the month. So obviously he’s doing something right.

Why has Vick hit only one hot read this year (maclin)? Did we lose because he missed a hot read?
Why hasn’t he hit one quick slant against a blitz? See answer above
Why does he run so much? Because that’s what he does. Duh
Why is he in the shotgun 32 times? Ask Andy and marty, they call the plays.
Why does he always take 5 and 7 step drops from those shotguns….why does he need so much time? I would say because Andy like to get big explosive plays. So the receivers need time to get open. But I’m sure you’d disagree.

Dude, we all know where you stand. Like I told you before….. go boycott outside novacare because no one on this site benched Kolb and started Vick. You have a problem with Vick starting, GO TALK TO ANDY. END OF STORY.

rcp1936
rcp1936
November 23, 2010 3:49 pm

Organization didn’t seem to help change Freddy Mitchell or TO

Sometimes you just have to be hit on the head with a 2×4

I like what Lou Holtz said about motivating a team
He said it is easy “You get rid of the ones who aren’t motivated “

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 23, 2010 3:51 pm

his rating was 56.9 that game.
and the last play irrelevant INT brought it down 20 pts…lol

phillywill
phillywill
November 23, 2010 3:52 pm

and can i just ask 24 – 38 for 258
35 rushing yards
when did this become a bad game for a qb
i guess when mike vick became the best qb in the league
mike jordan drop 27 ppl like u shut mike down
i guess this is similar lol