One of our faithful GCobb.com readers, SONGSRME2, had some very strong things to say about the Eagles drafting process and the team’s coaching staff especially defensive coordinator Sean McDermott and defensive line coach Rory Segrest.
Songs came up with a classic line regarding Segrest: “Todd Pinkston and James Thrash must have left the”negatives of Reid in a compromising position” in Segrest’s possession”.
SONGSRME2’s Comments:
The Front office is to blame. Andy came to a team with key defensive pieces in place from the Ray Rhodes Era and never replaced key positions in the 1st 3 rounds after releasing strong leaders.
We did alright with Lito and Sheldon to replace Vincent and Taylor but look at the rest.
Hugh Douglas cut – traded up to get Jerome McDougal in the 1st round – Bust
Jeremiah Trotter – Never replaced his production after countless years trying.
Carlos Emmons – Never replaced his production after countless years trying.
Brian Dawkins – Never replaced his production after 3 years trying.
Hollis Thomas DT – Just started replacing his production by picking Dixon of the scrap heap but look at the “2″ 1st rounders we used in Patterson and Bunkley who are less players than Dixon.
How many so called “Fastballs” on the defensive line have we drafted within the 1st 3 rounds never see the light of day?
Abimiri, Teo Neshem, etc.
I know we’ve found production in the later rounds but successful teams must draft successful in the 1st 3 rounds where you have an opportunity to pick the cream of the crop. You can’t make a reach as we did for Considine to replace Dawk….or Freddie Mitchell’s when there’s Reggie Wayne’s out there. and Kolb? that’s for another blog
Anyway:
This team misses often and even trade up to get lesser talent in the 1st round.
Compare Brandon Graham to the pick the Giants took “Jason Pierre Paul” who is actually a better player.
It’s either the players are worse or the coaches are not doing their job, which leads us to Segrest.
Todd Pinkston and James Thrash must have left the”negatives of Reid in a compromising position” in Segrest’s possession.
Why does this loser still have a job?
Hw sucked as the DB coach…He sucked as the Special teams coach…and you put him in charge of the defensive line?
When do you connect the dots and attach failure to a coach who habitually fails?
The offensive side of the ball.
I’ll go there on my next rant.
Finally – Tell us what you think of Songs’ comments
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I agree with Songs
Replacing former DL Coach Pete Jenkins who retired after JJ was sick with R Segrest was a big drop off that they will not recover from until Segrest is relieved of his job..
Ya, another thing on my mind lately. Just like replacing players, we’ve lost some good coaches too. Who have we replaced them with?? Rory did such a bang up job with Special Teams, why not put him in charge of DL? It’s pretty obvious how he’s doing there….
Songs is on point. When do the coaches start getting the same treatment as some of these players not performing.Cut,fired,and or released.
Songs makes a great point that they try and move up all the time and never seem too hit. Graham can be a player so im not gonna write the book on him yet. But they could of had some really nice players instead of Brandon Graham.Coulda moved up too get them too. The center who starts for the Steelers. Earl Thomas and a couple others.It’s just getting old too that the d-line is just breaking down…filled with 2nd tier guys…or the coaching staff isnt letting players just get after it. Babin was a nice player last year.Dude had allota heart and a motor. So wtf didnt the d-line coach realize ..hey this guy is a player..lets keep him here in 11′.Anf he was a former high round pick…doenst that tell a pro coach that teres a ton of ability in that guy? That alone should get him fired.
The problem is both. The coach can’t draft defense. And if you aren’t getting good talent you better have good coaches or a scheme and we don’t have that anymore without Jim Johnson.
and JJ was not all that good either his last couple of seasons.
The best DC out there, bar none, is Coaching the Steelers, (Dick Lebeau). Year in and Year out
they lead or are up t the top of the NFL is the meaningful Stats like points per game allowed,turnovers
sacks,negative plays,Yards per game….
You can’t ever run on the Steelers front 7 and they get after thier QB in the passing game…
They are physical and fast…The Eagles are just fast…
Yup. Dead.
paulman, I agree. JJ had trouble as well. And I think a lot of that also had to do with the limited talented personnel and declining talent like Dawk. From everything I read/heard, JJ had no say in personnel and if that’s true it goes back to Andy. Like any good coach, you also need players who can execute. We cannot draft it and have incapable coaches and scheme to still be successful. I wonder how much say Lebeau has in draft. I know one thing, dude always gets his LBs. All the good teams have at least 1 stud LB. Not us.
I think you need to polish up on your flyers talk G, because quoting this lunatic is very telling of a lack topics. Could our drafts be better? Absolutely. However, its not like we miss all the time. i.e. Maclin, Djax, McCoy, Bradley, and allen. (the last two are admittedly TBD). Keeping it real, we are not changing coaches anytime soon. If anything might change, and should, we need to draft bigger (physically) players and winners at that. Mike Vick has won nothing and probably won’t. (count it, this INT will be the anti pat the bat deep double in the WS). Reid does too good of a job drafting “guys who like to play and have a great motor”. And guys who can play 55 minutes, but buckle under pressure in the last 5. (5 being no pun intended). I know, bring up the Giants game. But why don’t you really show me what you have and point out a playoff game when we came up huge? We snuck in the playoffs in 08, but that took a miracle. i.e. a raiders win. This team has a nice path to the Super Bowl each year and blows it with a preverbal under thrown ball. No killer instinct on this team. Go Flyers, Go Phillies, and Temple/Nova. (and if possible, LaSalle)
I agree. There is just no excuse. From the offensive line coach to the offensive line itself. To the the defensive line coach to the defensive line. Sean McDermott should be let go and so should most of this defense. Quintin Mikell can go, for his play was not consistent this year. Juquai Parker can go, same reason. Most of these trash linebackers can go too! And Nate Allen is cool, but if you’re going to replace Brian Dawkins, at least get that same type of player that he was in his prime! Nate doesn’t have have that Dawkins intensity, he doesn’t hit like Dawkins. He’s more on the soft side thus far. Dawkins wasn’t the ttype to get run over by running backs like Nate Allen has been quite a few times. Whether he can fill Dawk’s shoes remains to be seen, but I’m not impressed. We need to trade Kolb, so he can stop running his mouth about wanting to start. Because that’s only going to create controversy with the QB position here…and we know how those Kolb Lovers can get SMH.
We definitely need to have unpredictable playcalling and that falls on the coaches too. Not just with the offense with run/pass ratio, but the defense needing to blitz more. Remember Dawkins being able to damn near jump over the offensive line to sack the QB on those blitzes? We need that back, because blitzing was a big part of our defense in the early 2000s. IF WE CAN HOPEFULLY ACQUIRE NNAMDI ASOMUGHA, WE WILL BE ABLE TO BLITZ AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT OUR CORNERS WILL HAVE THE PASS GAME LOCKED DOWN. For we will have the best CB tandem in the league, potentially ever!
*And a note about the last play of the Eagles/Packers wild card game last week…I’m sorry, but that’s not all on Mike Vick! I admired Mike having the confidence to even throw the ball to an unproven WR like Cooper. It shows he trusts his teammates and that’s a leader! He damn sure went out swinging but you gotta love that man’s heart! But you should know, Riley Cooper should have fought for that catch or showed some effort! He just sat there and waited for the ball! That’s not helping your QB that is showing belief in you. I don’t blame Mike at all. He gave Riley the opportunity, but Riley just didnt take it.
Listen… We’ve gotten better on drafting the O players. Great job andy or whoever on that one. We said for years… Get some playmakers… And now he has them.now its obvious that the D needs a makeover. Dick j is on our staff and RIGHT NOW is better than MCD. I don’t understand what the delay is.we need to go agressive on D in the dradt and FA and we need to keep guys like sims around as backups. We always let depth guys go on the LB and CB positions. Keep them here but upgrade.
Big Boss, If you don’t think the article is worth reading, then don’t read it. Do you go to movies that you know you won’t like, just so you can write or tell somebody something bad about it?
We set records for points the last 2 years yes?? We set records this year for red zone d yes? How the heck are we still talking about qb boss man?
Easy G
It appears that Big Boss is a LaSalle Grad.. He’s had enough hardship already in his lifetime..
It’s misguided to blame cooper. By the time Riley turned out of the post and looked up, he had a split second to make a decision. Granted, a top veteran WR might have knocked the ball down. but face it, most WR’s don’t per the evidence of the majority of interceptions in the league. You ought to start you Cooper argument with “I love you Michael Vick”. Quite frankly, you just don’t through that ball unless it is a slam dunk play. That said, it isn’t all Vick’s fault. One player does not win or loss you a game. I’m not ready to say DJax is amongst people with that “x” factor, however he is the closest thing we have to a player that can make the big play when it counts. We don’t have a Harrison, Brewski, Big Ben, S. Holmes, or R. Lewis. We have Andy, Vick, Justice, and Patterson…….. I’m tired of seeing the same old song and dance, unfortunately, I am pretty sure its playing again next year.
To be clear, I am not criticizing Vick from the point of view of his talent. Obviously he is extraordinarily talented. I just don’t see anyone on the field with that “killer instinct”. Does it not drive anyone else made that we have this much talent and are unable to dominate teams when it matters? I get it, a lot of blame falls on the coach, but I also put it on the players too. I may be wrong, perhaps these guys study the film and playbooks harder then of there piers. We constantly come up short though and we have significant talent. I think too many of our players leave it up to their God given talent and as a result, do not prep enough.
Thanks for feeding Songs ego GCOBB — you really did it this time.
How about in the “Hall of Justice” for both Chad Hall and Winston Justice.. Good Grief .. .
I am sounding like a TV Court Reporter…
my apologies G. For what it is worth, you typically knock it out of the park.
Life if hard paulman, though admittedly, it was a good retort.
Totally disagree with SONGS – the actual drafting process for the Eagles is very strong. I wrote about this a lot last year – its easy to point out the faails and faults – but what defines a fail or a fault? Os Kevin Kolb a bust? Is King Dunlap a bust? Take a look at the starting O out there against the Packers – McCoy – hit, MacLin, DJax, Avant and Riley Cooper – I think all good drafts picks – Celek – yep, Justice, McGlynn, Hermanns, solid picks to me. Backups on O – Kolb, Dunlap – solid picks.
Its easy to look at JPP of the giants and say – he’s better – look at the other players on that D line – he gets the least attention and double teams – other teams are worried about Tuck and Osi –
When you step back – and take a look at the national trade publications that grade drafts, look at drafts etc – the Eagles will generally be regarded as one of the best drafting teams (not THE best, but consistently one of) in the league. At the end of each season, every home town fan group bemoans their team, FO etc.
The Eagles are close – they are missing a piece here or a piece there – but then again so is every team except one each year.
I will say that I think the Eagles tend to favor drafting certain positions (and NO it is NOT offensive lineman – and every person that writes that is a moron that can’t figure out how to go and find a copy of the Eagles draft guide) over others in certain rounds, but I am not sure if there is any type of data that shows whaich players tend to come from which rounds and perform best.
My issue now is the lack of production from our linebackers (and we shoul dhave planned for Bradley to possibly be hurt he was out last year) and the lack of a running game until we are up by in the 4rth Qtr.
How about on D – Nate Allen – looked good prior to injury, Coleman looked good after, Trent Cole, Laws looked good this year –
But the issue becomes what is a bust?
wow – my last post got mixed up
Totally disagree with SONGS – the actual drafting process for the Eagles is very strong. I wrote about this a lot last year – its easy to point out the faails and faults – but what defines a fail or a fault? Os Kevin Kolb a bust? Is King Dunlap a bust? Take a look at the starting O out there against the Packers – McCoy – hit, MacLin, DJax, Avant and Riley Cooper – I think all good drafts picks – Celek – yep, Justice, McGlynn, Hermanns, solid picks to me. Backups on O – Kolb, Dunlap – solid picks.
How about on D – Nate Allen – looked good prior to injury, Coleman looked good after, Trent Cole, Laws looked good this year –
But the issue becomes what is a bust?
Its easy to look at JPP of the giants and say – he’s better – look at the other players on that D line – he gets the least attention and double teams – other teams are worried about Tuck and Osi –
When you step back – and take a look at the national trade publications that grade drafts, look at drafts etc – the Eagles will generally be regarded as one of the best drafting teams (not THE best, but consistently one of) in the league. At the end of each season, every home town fan group bemoans their team, FO etc.
The Eagles are close – they are missing a piece here or a piece there – but then again so is every team except one each year.
I will say that I think the Eagles tend to favor drafting certain positions (and NO it is NOT offensive lineman – and every person that writes that is a moron that can’t figure out how to go and find a copy of the Eagles draft guide) over others in certain rounds, but I am not sure if there is any type of data that shows whaich players tend to come from which rounds and perform best.
I’m not ready to say Pierre Paul is better than Brandon Graham. I won’t do it until another year or two. We will see. Pierre Paul is a freak of nature but he’s dumber than a rock. That’s fact.
Graham’s character is also “better” in my opinion. The guy keeps churning and churning and will turn into a formidable DE. We will see in the next couple of years who got the better of the two.
We will NEVER replace a guy like Brian Dawkins. He’s a player that your franchise is lucky to have once much less get someone just as good as him. Dawkins is Ed Reed for the Ravens. He’s Troy Polamalu for the Steelers. Again, Dawkins production will never be “replaced” — we can only hope that Nate Allen can be HALF as good. Jury is still out on whether we made a good mood.
McDougle was a beast in college — just had bad luck in the pros. Nothing wrong with that. Just bad luck.
I believe Coleman is a player. He will handle business when his number is called.
I don’t agree with this article or Songs AT ALL. It’s a young team and people are going to judge, but you have to wait until the jury is out on these guys before trying to say that the draft picks are busts.
It just seems to me that this article and Songs are nitpicking and REACHING. We got Desean in the second round. Maclin a year later. These guys are the face of the WR corps for the next five years.
Did the FO hit with some and miss with some? Of course. But I challenge anyone to find me a team that CONSISTENTLY picks perennial pro-bowlers.
BigBoss, I didn’t mean any harm. I know some of the guys can get out there on the edge sometimes, but I want to give everybody a chance to contribute to articles. I want everybody to be involved in the conversation.
No offense taken G. I became a little overzealous in my answers as I think sportstalk radio might have ruined me. At least here you are capable to answering to far out ideologies.
I know most will agree with me here as I am hoping we trade Kolb. (I am also hoping Adam Schefter and those are right about compensation.) With having to pay Vick, possibly Djax, and fill the rest of the holes left by free agency, I think this will be a relatively quite offseason for the birds. We need draft picks, high ones, ones with a possible “no trade down clause”.
Call me crazy but I have a real good feeling about this off season. G- let me write a positive piece on here. This was actually a good year compared to what I expected. I wasn’t feeling negative until I started reading on here. I mean… We have vick next year. Lots of great things will start there. We are not far off.
Only teasing Big Boss Man.. your name is not Tom Gola is it…..ha ha …
LaSalle is a great school with a great Basketball tradition..
Back on topic and a response with Navy Dave whose opinions I respect and agree with most of the time
I think the problem Dave is the continual “reach” for players in the Early Rounds (#1 thru #3) and the fallacy that a roster and Defensive scheme of small but fast DE’s/LB’s will anchor a Championship
level Defense. I think the Eagles sometimes get so enamored with a Players “High Motor” that they overlook the need for some basic size and strength to play a full NFL season..
Take recent High Draft picks Gogong,B Smth,J Green,Teo,Sapp.. These guys all were very good College players ,but they are not big and strong enough to go against the best of the best and 320 LB OT in today’s NFL.. Maybe as situational blitzers, but not as everydown type of DE’s and defintiely not worth grabbing in the top 3 Rounds. I look at Good players like T COle and Parker and again, I don’t feel that these players are very productive after half a season due to getting worn down and giving up 50 lbs on every snap…
Every player Drafted by an NFL team is a stud or they would be drafted, some players just have the injury bug and bad luck and can’t shake it (McDougle,Abiamri,Ingram,Jack Ike) which is not neccessarily the Front Office’s fault though in both Ingrams & Jack Ike’s cases, there was strong recent history of a Knee problems which I would prefer they just stay away from..
Waht I think has most fans completely frestrated is that the Scheme of small and fast has not worked
(even with the great JJ as D/C) so who thinks it’s going to work now with SM… Maybe chance the scheme. if Small and fast DE/Olbs are the way, then why not go to a 3-4 which most of these players I listed would be better suited for.. Change the schemes or change the coaches or players.. which other options do you have…
Another area that I would like to mention is that we all know Coach AR loves his big OL.
but maybe having 310-320+ O/Lineman are better suited for running the ball 40 times a game and not pass-protecting 40 times a game.. This big OL get worn out.. again, do I think N Cole,MJG,or MCGlynn are busts.. no i don’t, but I do think they are not the right type of athletes at their sizes and agility to be pass blocking 40 times a game… If you are going to pass that much, than why not draft and groom
smaller,quicker,more athletic O/Line that other passing teams do…
Maybe for next season, the O/Line and D/Lines personnel can simply switch sides and positions…
I could see Peters and Herremand coming in for a sack…
I may be wrong but I think my posted just got deleted. Gary, that was not a shot at you or anyone. Sorry if that came out wrong.
Lol… It reappeared.
You win Super Bowl with both. Why is andy reid coaching here yet. 1) Does not run 2)does not get missing pieces(wr’s in past) LB’S, QB’s(needs pocket passer no interceptions in playoffs), 3)don’t use players well 4)clock management
Andy, as a offensive genuis,should know running opens passing game, Super Bowl teams run(allstot,Dillon,Faulk ran over us) even Manning only won when Colts ran Brady lost (SB against Giants)cause they did not run,Saints no chance this year without it
Before TO and Stallworth we needed a 1# WR, more players to stop the run was needed all of Andy’s tenure(lol can’t win SB if they are running over ya)
he destroyed Westbrook.Scary thing is he could have been better longer. knowing Westrook is injury prone from the start. he should have had a bruising back plus even with the $ west got doesn’t mean u play him every down and get hit all of the time.
game of inches , clock management enough said
Look…….. This is something that is very very……. Bothersome….. AR should have his job in question…… The lack of consistency for all the coaches on this staff…… I’m sorry but this team has too many LACKs to make them a Superbowl team…….. And yes it all starts up front……. Let alone…. You give McCoy the ball 12 times and Jerome Harrison the ball for only 1 carry and you wonder why we lost the game???? It’s been 12 years now and AR just doesn’t seem to have it together……. Two years in a row we had a first round bye in our grasp and we didnt eat……. Our offensive line 4 years and maybe more of not being able to push to get a simple yard to convert a first down…….. (Juan Castillio) or (Strength and conditioning Coach) which there is a new one this season…. So I blame Juan Castillio……. John Runyan had a KILLER INSTINCT…… But he was not drafted by the EAGLES……. Other than that none of the offensive lineman had a true Ideneity……. THe only warrior the Eagles drafted who gave you emotion on this offensive line was really Tra Thomas and some sperts from Todd Herramans….. Other than that there is no balance of the offensive line to be consistant to pass/rush block……. This all comes to coaching…. What you practice is your performance…….. And AR wasnt ready like the past 12 seasons of getting this team up to par on working on all cylinders….. The defensive line was so focused this season and less production from them that everyone had expected…… Lb’s were better than usual through the years…. Like the upside of Clayton,Chaney, and Fokou…… Why does AR think that being pass happy works within the playoffs every year…… Westbrook was a work-horse through out his career with atleast 20-25 touches and the Eagles were successful with B-West and won games…… 12 carries from one of your star players on offense makes you think abour AR and his decision making skills……. Lurie must move on….. There are coaches with the likes of Tony Dungy and John Gruden who both know what it takes to be successful at winning at all cost….. Our early draft picks have been terrible as far as production wise……. WHat the eagles need to do is stop focusing on speed so much on defense and get bigger within the Dt’s……. Something what the Vikings did against us that seem to be effective against us…….. We struggled against WSH first game of the season with big Dt’s and the JAGUARS game…….. And please someone tell AR to use two Rb’s…… my gosh…….
G, Front Office apologist will not place any blame on Andy. These are the same folks who blamed McNabb for all the losses but then credit Andy Reid for all the championship game appearances and regular season wins. If he gets credit for head coaching a team with that success then he gets some of the blame when they fail. Period. At some point, enough is enough. I’m not one to want to run a coach of of town unless he’s really bad like Eddie Jordan but at some point Reid is probably that guy that just couldn’t take his team to the next level or at least this team. Sure a lot is the players but after 12 years you have to start looking at the coach. You just have to. There are plenty of very good NFL coaches that have never one a Super Bowl. Andy could be one of them. Who knows? But at this point in time, if you can be tired of McNabb coming up short in the playoffs, it’s surely understandable many can feel the same way about Reid.
AR and this coaching staff must know that you (defensively) have to be big up the middle and fast on the outside……. Picks like Trevor Laws who is only used for pass rush purposes was a 2nd round pick who only comes in on 3rd down was a waist of a draft…… Daniel Teo’nesiem was a very early pick and was really 6th or maybe 7th round talent…… AR and his “projects” just dont seem to work……. He’s playing checkers while other coaches are playing Chess……. Shame on Reid for not having the extra time to get this team moving….. 2 years in a row first game of the playoffs eliminated…..
Andy should have realized Mcnabb(now Vick) was good during regular season at td/int ratio but come playoff time was different story. Mcnabb and Vick do not see the blitz coming and Andy should have planned for that.
Now for personel: Mcnabb had WR’s in SB 04 and 05 so it is not that Andy never had them for 5# he threw 3 interceptions with them in SB and 05 got hurt in 05…. is that Andy’s fault?
in his first three nfc championship games mcnabb had 1 td 5 interceptions 4 fumbles lost is this all because of no wr’s….Sorry he had a 2 and 3 wr, good TE a great O-line for the pass. remember when announcers said mcnabb had all the time in the world….saying is any wr will get open with that amount of time he was 10-22 against the Panthers(3 points) 26-49 against the Bucs(10 total)
yes it would have been nice to have a O-line to run better and a 1 wr but 5 int is unacceptable
Super Bowl mcnabb total for 3 NFC and SB 4 TD 8 INTerceptions
i was a mcnabb supporter up until Arizona game last year
Vick has improved his passing % from 54 in Atlanta to 63 here that has impressed me like many things with Mcnabb did but a Qb for future and SB win needs to see the blitz coming. i don’t like Vick missing a standing still wide open Jackson at the 15 on the last play of Packer’s game as much as the not seeing the blitz. FIRST EAGLE OFFENSIVE PLAY OF THE GAME. U MEAN to tell me he did not see that coming. Pocket passer please
yes Vick doesn’t have great O-line but neither does most of the NFC teams still playing. no excuse
pocket passer
Can someone please tell me who is STARKS and tell me why through the years that all these no namers get names 4 themselves SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH…………… PLEASE can someone tell me…….. Why cant we stop these guys……… Someone must have a blue print on the eagles on how to use no namers and be effective with them…….. OR is it just AR not being prepared……. Ahmad Carrol, Ricky Manning Jr……… Deshawn Foster…….. Joe Webb……… Like my man Rae Dawg says….. WHY MUST I CRYYYYYYYYYYYYY…… WHY MUST I CRYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! Every year……….
tydm, I think we all agree McNabb had several shortcomings. But here’s the thing, if McNabb was that bad why do you keep wanting to throw the ball so much? If the receivers are so bad, why keep throwing the ball? McNabb is not the kind of QB to throw the ball 40 times and win you the game. He’s just not. But Andy kept putting the ball in his hands. It’s the job of the coach to put his players in the best position and he didn’t do that. Sure McNabb didn’t make the big plays but IMO Andy called those plays when EVERYONE knew McNabb wasn’t a clutch QB and accurate passer. If McNabb was that bad, why keep putting the ball in his hands?
@TYDm……. Ar and this coaching staff should use a system some games to make Vick feel more comfortable…… This is Vick’s first year being a true QB and they put the ball in his hands as a passer….. Vick was A+ all the regular season but people must realize that when Vick was in ATL….. He had the ball in his hands as a runner……. Totally different system then what he had in ATL….. And Reid as a coach should notice that this is this man’s first year as a passer we should make him more comfortable…… And that’s running the ball more often……. The ravens made Flacco become a better Qb by him handing the ball of and then making plays with his arm and the same for Sanchez….. Its AR’s fault on not getting it correct……. But I understand your views TYDM!
@Scorp… I feel you 100%…… We all see that Reid loves to put the game in the Qb’s hands often…… It just shows that AR should be a Qb’s coach instead of a HC LOL……… I’m just sick and tired of AR making these decisions during game time…….. We as fans think of game plans and when we watch the actual game it’s the complete opposite…… Another year of disappointment……. We can all say that Vick saved AR’s job this season……. No one expected Vick to be who he is today……..
When Andy Reid and the Eagles STOP contending and stop being one of the beat teams in the league year in and year out — I will get tired of him. Until then, let him ride out like Bill Cowher. Yea, it took him a while too. It took Tony Dungy a while.
You don’t give up on a coach or his system until it just doesn’t work anymore.
Same way I didn’t give up on McNabb until his play started going downhill. The guy got benched for Rex Grossman — enough said.
When we stop making the playoffs — then we can talk about firing Andy Reid. Until then, shut the F up — he’ll get us a ring.
I think Cacoh Ar missed his window of opportunity..
His gadget plays and dink & dunk with Wr’s who can’t go over the middle don’t work..
Once teams take the deep routes away, this Eagle team,as it’s comprised, cannot sustain drives
so unless he changes his entire philosophy (which is very unlikely) the Eagles will be what they are.
An exciting team to watch, which will make their share of big plays and win 8-9-10 games a season,but get stopped in the Playoffs against Good Defensive teams that have good Coaching…
Losing in the Wild-Card Round is almost like you didn’t even make the Playoffs…
new system or not a qb has to see blitz and expect it first play of game. Vick will have awesome year next year to but will “wilt” in playoffs
2 Main diff between Dungy,Cowher,Reid is that 2 have SB rings has head coaches and 2 ran the ball
FIRE REID
hell, i would do drugs if he was my dad
Birdo, yeah it took Dungy a while but he won on a different team not the one he spend the time building. If you want to use that as an example, then take it further and point to the fact that in spite of Dungy resurrecting that franchise and making them competitive they fired him because he could only go so far with that team and they won the next year with Gruden. Who know is that’s the same case here but the same case you just made for Andy was the same reason to keep McNabb. And the same reason people got tired of McNabb is the same reason people are getting tired of Andy. That’s totally understandable. It’s a sad day when fans are glad to be committed to just being good but not good enough.
Paulman — you’re just ridiculous. The team has set most points in team history three years in a row. The offense works. Should we run the ball more? Of course. I totally agree with that. Is that enough of a reason to fire a coach that turned the NFC East laughing stock into perennial contenders? Absolutely not. Not even close.
I’d rather have the stability Reid brings and the respect he demands than be with someone like Rex Ryan who is just a clown. Reid will get us a ring. Be patient. This team is young. The last team he built fell a little short. Let him build this one and we will try again.
And stop it with Cowher. The Steelers love keeping the same coach in place for a long time. I love that too for stability but how long is too long? 15 years? 20 years? Andy is on his second 10 year plan and this team is filled with holes. If they don’t win next year, he has to go. Not because he’s a bad coach but because he can’t take us there.
After 12 years of nearly the same results, how can it not be Reid? Even if you view McNabb and/or Vick as the problem, didn’t Reid draft, anoint, then unseat Kolb? Reid named Vick the starter.
The defense has been undersized for years. I don’t know if that was Johnson’s preference. Regardless, he’s gone. Who’s drafting these small players that wear down or get run on and run over as each season progresses?
We’ve historically made bad QBs look great and unknown running backs have become Philadelphia household names. We’ve even made some players’ careers. Who was Ricky Manning before he faced Philly? I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The Eagles have won in spite of Reid, not because of him.
McNabb was an escape artist and Vick is an even better one, but they got beat silly. How long do you think Kolb would have lasted, realistically?
And it’s a good thing that QBs like Peyton Manning don’t throw picks in the playoffs. Think!!!
“Reid will get us a ring. Be patient”. I guess 12 years isn’t patient enough. Birdo is committed to falling short. And for people who say they don’t want to be like Detroit or other bad teams with bad coaches. Did it ever occur to you that Andy could be replaced by a GOOD coach? We still have talent on this team to win. We just may need a different coach. Those teams that all have had bad teams and coaches also had bad players on the team. We don’t. You replace Andy with a good coach who can think on his feet and knows that you need to run the ball to win in the playoffs and KNOWS HOW TO DRAFT DEFENSE we probably will be better off. Who knows but anyone thinking Andy is the end all be all of Eagles football is just a FO apologist.
Scorp — that’s fine. But lets be honest, Dungy won his ring with the best QB in football. The way Andy loves to throw, Peyton would have gotten us five rings by now. It took Bill Cowher 15 years! And all Bill would do was RUN!
Did y’all know that in the last ten years, no team that has led the league in rushing has won the Superbowl?
Yes, there needs to be a better mix. Andy just doesn’t like to run when he’s behind, which is understandable. But thats when it all comes down to execution by the players.
Comparing Mcnabb and Reid is like comparing apples and oranges. They do different things. McNabb is a player. Reid is the decision maker. The man who coaches ALL the players. Reid means alot more to this team than ANY player. When we stop being contenders and winning division titles — we will start the “FIRE REID” campaign and I’ll jump on board yelling and screaming. Until then, let the man do his job.
I was driving with Andy Reid the other day, and he looked like he was having a heart attack but i realized we were not in the passing lane
“we could not pass”