Former Eagles quarterback Pat Shurmur will be the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He’ll have a news conference tomorrow in Cleveland to announce it.
This will mean that there are five NFL head coaches from the Andy Reid coaching tree in the league. He’ll join list with Steve Spagnuolo of St. Louis, John Harbaugh of Baltimore, Leslie Frazier of Minnesota and the recently hired Ron Rivera of Carolina.
That’s a huge number when you consider that there are only 32 teams in the league. It has to give Reid a great deal of credibility even though he hasn’t won a Super Bowl championship as a head coach.
Shurmur has been in St. Louis last couple of years working under another former Eagles assistant Spagnuolo. He went to St. Louis after spending time here in Philadelphia.
The former Eagles coach has been credited with the tremendous progress of Rams number one draft pick, quarterback Sam Bradford.
this is why Andy’s teams early on were so good……the coaching staff was impeccable….I dont see any of his current coaches getting a head coach gig except for maybe Marty, but doubt it… he needs better coaches so the young talent can improve.
I believe it’s undeniable that Reid is a good teacher. And while he still has much to learn, Vick is a case in point. This admission ,however, goes hand-in-hand with my assessment of Reid as a coach. He is excellent in many ways, in fact, far superior to most. Conversely, in other important areas, he is equally deficient.
When all is said and done, Reid has a self-made glass ceiling.
I was just about to Post..
Pat Shurmur takes the Browns HC Job and word is that Brad Childress is going to Miami to discuss
their open Offensive Coordinator Position…
SInce Shurmur was QB Coach with Eagles before the Rams, He probably knows, as well as anyone, how capable and promising Kolb can be as a #1 QB..
If you don’t see the Browns push hard to obtain Kolb, and if they prefer QB Colt McCoy’s upside more over than Kolb, than that tells me that Kolb is just not #1 QB material and as hot as a commodity than the Eagles say or think that he is… …
It appears the Coach MM will remain in Philadelphia as the OC/Assistant HC Position
I was looking forward to a change there to maybe shalke things up and get some fresh eyes on
have to run a more balanced but still productive Offense..
I do beleive the Stanford Job is still open but I am not sure if Coach MM is the college type or even a
HC type.. He may just enjoy doing what he’s doing on the Offensive end of things…
No Paulman…MM will take the Stanford job..his son has committed to play QB there
Jott1972
Good point about Reid’s earlier coaching staff!
Paul
Do you really think a coaching change at OC would create a more balanced attack? When Childress went to Minnesota, he went head-to-head with Favre because he wanted to run the ball more. Yet, when Childress was here with Reid, play-calling and pass-run ratio remained issues.
Green
Is that an opinion about Marty or a fact?
I am not sure if the interest from Stanford is mutual though,
He just may not be a big enough or well-known name and personality to keep that Program up on the high Profile that Harbaugh has led them to recently,I don’t think they want to fall back in anonymity and with Schools like USC/UCLA going thru their own transitions, this is a great time for Stanford to remain as one of elite progrmas in the Pac-10/12 with the right hire who can recruit and sell the program.. I just don’t think this is MM type of schtick.. but who knows
Plus thru a source of mine, has heard Condy Rice doesn’t really know Coach MM too well and that
she may be interested in the Position herself to expand her reusme and experience
drummer, I think the pass-run ratio became an issue in 2004 and after. Prior to that there wasn’t a problem. Even though we had garbage receivers, Andy still liked to throw the ball but not like he does now. I think he became intrigued with the offensive talent and then the development of McNabb having a big arm to make plays down the field. Chilly’s problem was with Farve. But before Favre it was all Adrian Peterson. As we know from last year, Favre would frequently audible out of run plays to passing plays. I think Chilly would be much more balanced. Not saying 50/50 but closer than we are now.
Honestly, I don’t look at Spags as from under Andy’s coaching tree. He made his name under Coughlin in NY. Of course ultimately he was here first but to me, I think where that guy became successful at is what I look at. That’s just me though. Same thing with Rivera. He was only a LB coach here for a few years. He really got his name for coaching the Bears and Chargers defense. Lovie Smith is a defensive guy so he could have very well learned more from him than Andy. And if he was a LB coach here he should be under JJ and not Andy because Andy knows nothing about defense.
drummer…it is a fact that Marty’s kid has signed with Stanford to play QB….it has also been reported that Marty is on their “short list” of coaching intrviews
Scorp
Thanks. The pass-run ratio has been an issue for so long, I can’t recall when its beginnings.
We played Carolina in the NFC Championship in 2004. Wasn’t it an issue prior to that?
One thing is certain about Spags. He knew how to stop Reid’s offense.
Green
Thanks for the clarity.
drummer, in the Carolina game it wasn’t as much as we passed too much it was more that our WRs were terrible and Andy kept saying they are good enough. I remember the earlier part of the decade when people would complain about our boring offense being dink and dunk and running with Duce
2004 was the season of the TO year. The Superbowl was in 2005 but technically it was the 2004 season. This is when Andy fell in love with the passing game.
The Panther game was about 1 thing,
The Panthers CB’s got into the faces of the Eagle WR’s and they could not get free or open and as usual ,Coach AR did not make any adjustments or do anything about it like move guys around in formation, have WR’s in motion, do a couple of end arounds, bubble screens,bunch formations or just even run the ball in between the tackles to get that Secondary to back off a bit…
This was another Choke game when the Eagles are playing at home and were favored by what
8-9-10 points and laid an egg and failed to show and play
I think the Eagles may want to play any future playoff games on the road…
paulman and also combine that with the fact that you had no Westbrook for that game. It was all on McNabb’s shoulders (which it should have been) but he’s just not that guy. He never was. And Andy pissed everyone off by saying we didn’t need better receivers just better execution and then you go out and get TO. Well duh, this is what we’ve been telling you for a few years. Andy will say he’s right even when he’s wrong and proves himself to be wrong.
An organization is no better than its weakest link. Who/where is the weakest link here: Lurie, FO, Reid, coaching staff???? Could it be at a couple levels? Is their a gut-level vision at top level here? To me, much centers around Reid because he is the one who is given the most control under Lurie. But Lurie is the owner!! Why give that power to a guy (and to non-football FO guys) who never was a HC prior to coming here, thus no record to stand on? He’s got a record now of only winning the NFC title once! I think Reid is only above average, and no heart for the Eagles as “SB or bust!” Can’t stand Jerry Jones, but he HATES not getting to the big dance! He hates eating crow! That attitude does not exist within this organization. If you listen to Lurie or Banner, there is NO PASSION in their voices when they say their goal is winning a SB. The top of this organization thru to Reid has no fire in their bellies. Why on earth does the team across the state win titles so much… it’s part of their “football genes” culture at the very top of organization (the Rooney’s). Honestly, I wish we could swap some folks at the top. Lurie must want to break the insidious culture of Eagles FO/HC also-rans ever since 1960 with exception of Tose/Vermeil and Ryan (who ultimately would self-destruct and take down Eagles with him). Tose, though some bad decisions, was a guy who was in tough, cutthroat trucking business. Lurie and most others in NFL are first, foremost businessmen who want a well-oiled machine showing a good bottom line. They are CEO’s, not roll-up-your-sleeve football guys where winning championships drives them. The Lurie model is bad model for the NFL, not a gold standard and you see it Goodell pandering to owners with an 18-game schedule, more TV revenues, but players falling left/right, on IR with possible career-ending injuries.
Loyal to the Philly Eagles, yet can’t stand the history of the poor owners/administrators of this franchise after 1960 with a few exceptions. This organization needs to fundamentally change its policy of FA’s/drafting. You can’t win with an excessive amount of undersized players. We need some jaw busters, some “mean-spirited” guys on the field.
The loss of GM/Player Personnel Guru Tom Modrack has never been replaced and the Eagles Organization has steadily gone down hill little by little ever since..
Coach AR pushed him out so he could hire his buddy Tom Heckert, who by my account was
not much more than a than a yes man and administrator for Coach AR and have very little keen insight about putting a roster together as Coach AR consolidates his power & authority…
Now fast forward a couple of years and Coach AR starts having family issues and definitely has
too much on his plate, so much in fact that Lurie/Banner decide to hire Banner’s guy (Howie Roseman) to run the Player Personnel/Administration end of things and let Coach AR focus on his
staff and his players… So now, Coach AR and the Eagles Organization are at a crossroads..
I believe Coach AR has the next 2 years to win a Championship or at least make it to the SUper Bowl and if he doesn’t he will be shown the door.. This is my story and I am sticking to it …
Tom Modrack – really?
Does anyone know what Reid’s record is in his first 6 years, compared to his 2nd 6 years?
How many playoff appearances/wins?
Paul
We should have won the Panthers game. We were running the ball down their throats. They had no defense for it, but Reid needed to pass the ball. The passaholic in him was going nuts and he needed his fix.
Passing is always called into question wherein Reid is concerned? I’ve never heard it said that we ran the ball too much and that Reid should pass more. It’s always been the opposite.
Eagles are 5-5 since 2004 Season
2004 (2-1) beat Vikings,Falcons, lost to Pats in Super Bowl
2005 (0-0) did not make playoffs
2006 (1-1) beat the Giants and lost to the Saints (Garcia at QB)
2007 (0-0) did not make playoffs
2008 (2-1) beat Vikings & Giants, then lost to Arizona in the NFC Championship
2009 (0-1) lost to the Cowboys in Wild-Card Round
2010 (0-1) lost to the Packers in Wild-Card Round
paul outstanding
I’ve got a question for everyone. I heard it asked on WIP and was surprised at the results.
Is the arrow pointed up, down or sideways (and why). In other words, is this team headed for improvement, staying the same or going down?
My .02 cents Drummer
I think the Eagles are about the same so the arrow is pointed Sideways..
I think they missed a great opportunity last off-season to maximize McNabb’s Trade Value and waited too late to move him, they also messed up in the Early rounds of the Draft with the trades..
I think they recovered well in mid-late rounds to make it an overall pretty good draft, but it could have been an outstanding draft if they stuck with their picks and stops trading up and then back
On the positive, they shedded some dead-weight from last off-season so they have become younger and more athletic which bodes well for the future.. I think I can speak for most, that the Eagles caught lightning in a bottle on how Vick played this year and makes the team look a little better than it is since Vick is so athletic that he can oversome some deficiencies…I think most of us would agree that if Kolb played all season long, the Eagles probably would have been a .500 team at best
as he Kolb would have surely had his up and downs as a 1st Year Starter
Here is what concerns me moving forward..
The Eagles did not really address their O/Line last year and now must make some moves to improve it and in a hurry if they expect to keep VIck upright for an entire season .
The DE and CB postions are no better than where they were a year ago and may actually be weaker (at DE anyways)
They had some bad luck with major injuries to L Weaver, B Graham,N Allen which will slow down their development and their possibly delay their return to the Field for early next Season …
Another big concern is look what’s happening around the NFC,
Many teams are improving, are becoming more physical at the point of attack..
Look at teams like the Falcons,TB Bucs, Detroit Lions,St Rams,Seattle Seahawks,
These teams are getting better and play a more physical style of footbal so when you have these
up and coming teams with the usual tough physical teams like the Packers,Bears,Vikings,GIants,Saints & Cowboys there is really no standing still in the NFL, if you stand still, you fall behind…
I would like to see the Eagles pick-up 3-4 key free-agents but they have to be smart about it and
need to find players who are just hitting their prime and fit their schemes who can be good solid players for 3-4 years without breaking the bank..Add these key 3-4 key solid players at these positions of DE,CB,OLB,Guard,Safety and then have another solid draft to keep the pipeline filled with quality players then the Eagles should remain very competitive for the next 3-5-7 Seasons…
If they don’t address these areas of need with quality proven NFL players, they will be spinning their wheels, they will be exciting to watch and which will win some games, but won’t advance far come playoff time…
Paul
Thanks for responding. I guess it’s not really a good time ask the question because a lot will be determined by off-season moves.
As it stands now, I think the team is in decline simply because the holes are plentiful and it would cost a lot to fill them all.
I like Vick as a QB, but he’s quite deep in his career to still be learning the nuances of quarterbacking in the NFL. I only point that out because Reid never seems to account for the health of his QB with his play-calling.
Our defense lacks play-makers and Asante’s not getting any younger. Also, he stepped up the physical aspect of his play, which landed him in the trainer’s room for several games. He’s similar to Jackson on defense, in that he offers special skills, but has to somewhat be protected. In other words, I don’t want to see him sticking his head in there against TEs, full-backs and the like. It would be very helpful if he had a “killer” in the defensive backfield to knock some teeth out.
Speaking of Jackson, I see that he can run across the middle on the intermediate routes, but he can’t run those quick slants, which enable us to run a ball-control passing game. I would love to see Jackson split time (though not 50/50) with a bigger possession-type receiver. If Reid was able to shuttle in Vick while Kolb was starting, he certainly could do the same with Jackson. In no way am I trying to diminish Jackson’s contribution. Anyone who can make a defense change its natural alignment, just by his mere presence on the field, is special. The trick is to capitalize on those defensive changes, which Reid hasn’t done.
If we lose Akers, as appears might happen, that’s a huge loss. While kickers are unimportant to many of the players, the fact remains that no one has scored more points for the Eagles than Akers. We’re not talking about hits, catching passes, dancing in the end zone, or even popularity. We’re talking points, and that’s how you win games. There’s little worse than being at the 28-yard line with 3rd and 3 in a tight game against a good defense and having no confidence in your kicker.
I agree that NFC teams are improving and maybe I was right about the return of the running back. It’s still a passing league, but running backs are beginning to make their mark and I think they’ll be heard from as the play-offs continue.
The bottom line, I think, is the Eagles must spend some money to remain competitive.
I agree and hear you DRummer,
What stinks about this off-season is that probably very little if anything is going to happen with anyone until a CBA is reached, so between now and March, teams and free-agent players will be kid of stuck in limbo.. I think Owners/GM’s and Front Offices are all this together and will have a lockout after the current Contract expires in March.. Thre NFL will have the Draft Combines in Indy in late Febuary and are planning on having the Draft as usual in mid to late April, but if there is no CBA in
place by then, I am not so sure how the Draft will really work if there are no real contracts and rules to follow.. A rookie SAlray cap, a slotting system, players will not be able to work out at teams facilities after March.. What does a team do, draft a kid and see we’ll keep in touch once the CBA is completed… This will be unchartered waters for everyone, coaches,players and fans alike..I am 90 % Confident that whoever is technically a free agent will remain so, until a labor agreement is reached,
so I do foresee really any player movement except for what the Eagles have been doing this week which is sign some practice squad and players off the streets to help fill up a roster..
I would love to see Jackson split time (though not 50/50) with a bigger possession-type receiver
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I knew you would come around after threads and threads of posts between me and you about our receivers
i would not split time and put Jackson as slot wr alot mix it up keep the D guessing where they are going to line up this time.When the tough physical corners like Woodson want to stop wr at line scrimmage, the bigger possession wr can handle him and Jackson will be against slow LB