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Who Has More Question Marks; Michael Vick or Kevin Kolb?

Nobody knows what awaits the Eagles as they decide what they’re going to do with backup quarterback Kevin Kolb. Should they keep him in place, in case Michael Vick gets hurt, or should they trade him and acquire a quality draft pick? Nobody knows what the future holds, but Andy Reid and his staff must be right. If they’re wrong, Reid will likely pay for it with his job.

There are numerous scenarios which could take place involving Michael Vick. Kolb could be kept on hand and Vick could play well and the team finally wins the Super Bowl. Kolb could be kept on hand and Vick could play well and the team is unable to win it all for various reasons. It could be the defense, special teams, coaching or simply because another team like the Green Bay Packers are just better than the Birds.

There are numerous scenarios which could occur that involve Vick running into problems on the field or running into problems off the field. There are legitimate question marks involving Vick both on the field and off the field. Some of those who support him brush off the chance of him running into trouble off the field, but his past makes that a legitimate issue.

It’s something that the Eagles, who have better knowledge of Vick’s comings and goings than the rest of us, must know and be sure that they protect their investment, by demanding that he stay away from the people who might create problems.

There are legitimate risks of Vick having problems on the field. He was having trouble recognizing the blitz during the latter part of the year. Teams have changed their strategies of defending him and he must make the adjustment. He can’t escape blitzes with his speed alone.

He must learn to recognize and read the blitz before the ball is snapped. Vick must then be mentally sharp enough to change the play or the protection if necessary, then quickly get the ball out of his hands before the blitzers arrive. He’s got to get the ball into the hands of the hot receiver.

Vick and his wide outs must be on the same page. He must recognize the blitz and the receivers must recognize the blitz. The hot receiver has to break off his route and be looking for the football. Vick has to get it to them.

Although Vick was a Pro Bowler and had a quarterback rating over 100, there’s still a legitimate chance that he doesn’t play well in 2011, but the same is true of Kolb.

Some how since the season, Vick’s blemishes have grown and Kolb’s blemishes have vanished. How is it that we can admit that there’s a chance that Vick doesn’t play well, but some how the mere thought of Kolb not playing well is brushed aside. I don’t get it.

You can compare Kolb to Aaron Rodgers, but Kolb isn’t Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers has the smarts, the athletic ability, the arm and the guts. There’s no guarantee that Kolb is going to be a great quarterback.

I don’t care how many players or GM’s talk about how great he is, the fact of the matter is that he hasn’t led a team to the playoffs. He hasn’t gone through a punishing season and made it through healthy. He hasn’t been a Pro Bowl quarterback.

How is that the more accomplished quarterback is doubted more than the quarterback who has been a backup for nearly all of his NFL career. I’m not saying this because I don’t think Kolb will be a good quarterback because I do think he will be good NFL quarterback. He can dead-on accurate when he gets in a rhythm. Kolb has a great mental command of the offense so that he knows where the receivers are. He’s deceptively quick and has the ability to avoid the rush and buy time for his receivers.

Still, I’m not going to start treating him like he’s accomplished things that he hasn’t accomplished. He doesn’t have the strongest of arms. He has shown tremendous courage in taking hits during his time here. I do see limitations, but I realize he hasn’t been given a fair chance up until now.

If the personnel around him isn’t good, I don’t know whether he is talented enough to carry a football team. We’ll see. I don’t know how he will do if the team doesn’t have a running game and the offensive line is inconsistent.

Can he take a beating? In the short times he has played, he didn’t seem to react well after being hit. Kolb’s game seemed to go south during the times when pressure was put on him and he was hit. We’ve seen Vick respond favorably to being hit.

How would Kolb have done if he had played for the Eagles the entire season? How would he do if he’s being hit consistently because a team is asking him to throw the ball 40-plus times behind a mediocre offensive line? Can he make mediocre receivers better?

The bottomline concerning the Eagles quarterback situation is that there’s a chance that both Vick and Kolb, could play well next season and the rest of their careers and there’s also a chance that both of them will play poorly.

The main difference in the two is that one of them is a four-time Pro Bowler and has led three teams to the NFL playoffs and the other has been a backup nearly all of his professional career. Maybe I see this thing wrongly but I have more confidence in the guy with the resume.

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WALKEN
WALKEN
February 22, 2011 12:17 pm

Kolb = smart, weak arm
Vick = not as smart, strong arm, elite
That’s all.

andrew p
andrew p
February 22, 2011 12:33 pm

People have to stop with all this talk of keeping Kolb just in case, If you can get a 1st round pick for him do it today! If one thing this coaching staff has shown, its they know how to coach up a QB and have him game ready ! Bulger, Hasselbeck, theirs plenty of guys they can get on the cheap that could do just as good a job as Kolb with our coaching staff, Nothing to worry about in that area.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 1:06 pm

No one is goign to give up a 1st Rounder for a QB with 7-8 Career Starts under his belt.. Kolb is still unproven any way you look at it…
QB’s like Palmer,V Young, K Orton who have 40,50,60+ starts are going to
pay back 2nd & 3rd Round Selections, Why does anyone think that Kolb is any better than these guys and comman a 1st Rd Pick in return.. because he was groomed by Coach AR/MM… It’s not going to happen, Kolb will remain an Eagle in 2011 since Vick still has to prove to the Coaches that he can be a #1 Starter and play an entire Season.. I do not think the Eagles give Vick a long-term Deal to about November after he has prven his durability.. If he struggles or worse, gets injured, then Kolb will play and depending on how the Team is doing, Kolb may end up being the Future #1 QB for 2012 and beyhond… It’s Vicks job to lose, but he has to prove that he can stay on the field…

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
February 22, 2011 1:07 pm

This paragraph t asks all the right questions:

How would Kolb have done if he had played for the Eagles the entire season? How would he do if he’s being hit consistently because a team is asking him to throw the ball 40-plus times behind a mediocre offensive line? Can he make mediocre receivers better?

I think we all know the answers.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 1:27 pm

Trade Kolb.
Bring in a vet back up

I still dont see it. With Kolb you still have a guy that is young and needs experience. I dont see how he would be any better than a solid vet if Vick were to go down. On top of all that you get a high draft pick out of him. His stock is as high as it will be RIGHT NOW!! This is it…. it wont go higher. People are giving up a high pick on an unknown with a tiny little contract.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 1:33 pm

Paulman- what Kolb gives a coach is much more than the old guys can. If your a young coach or a new coach, a guy like Kolb buys you a few years to build a team around them. Also…. he is not going to break your bank. Your not building a team for the future around a guy like Palmer. If he comes in… your thinking playoffs within a year or 2. Noone will be thinking playoffs with Kolb.

I myself would prolly not cough up a first rounder for Kolb but i think it could very well happen. (we may never know unless the CBA gets done).

On top of that- It all comes down to money. There are some teams that always are at the bottom of the NFL (see CIN) and so…. these teams have to pick early in the draft EVERY YEAR. So…. they are strapped for cash because of the mega deals that get done. SF may not want their 7th pick at all. It actually hurts their team in the long run. So trading it away for a guy that makes like NOTHING this year is a big deal for them.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 1:36 pm

About Vicks on the field struggles- in the long run i think it helps us. We all know that the D was the main issue this year and we were not going to win the SB. So…. Vick looking like crap should show Andy that he cant depend on him for everything. They have to be smarter when it comes to coaching. They have to draw up some draw plays and screens to keep those blitzers from killing us. My hope is that Mudd will get in andys face if his Oline is getting pushed around. Have you seen that guy? He looks like a guy who wont take crap from anyone.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 1:40 pm

Gary “How is that the more accomplished quarterback is doubted more than the quarterback who has been a backup for nearly all of his NFL career”.

Because the media says so. You dont really hear the fans saying this (yes there are the vinnies of the world but those blind guys are few and far between).

Philly media loves drama and nothing creates drama like the Lindros, T,O., Vick, Djacks of the world. Bottom line is….. if there isnt a strory…. they will make 1 up.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 1:42 pm

To do:

Get a Cb- get 2
Olineman
SS- maybe we can keep q
LB
Get vick and Djax new deals
also resign our backup RB.

greenfan
greenfan
February 22, 2011 1:49 pm

Anyone have an opinion on why James Urban would have left to be the receivers coach in Cinn??

Think he may have felt pushed out of the QB coaches job because Reid has a “man-crush” on Pederson and wanted to give him the job??

I can’t really make sense…it looks like a step back from assistant OC to receivers coach….and Cinn?? There has to be more to the story.

From every report, Urban did a great job working with Mike & Kevin….anybody have any thoughts??

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 1:55 pm

Greenfan- I think andy wanted urban there but to show that Andy has lost all power Banner and Rosey met and voted him out. Now with that void, they will Let andy call up the water boy (showing how little power andy has), they will then tell Andy he has a year or 2 or maybe 3 to win the SB or he is out…. unless he wants to stay.

Obviously im kidding. Who knows y he left. Im sure paulman will tell us though.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 1:56 pm

I heard it was about the $$$ or the lack of it for Urban and that he and some of the other Offensive Coaches got promotions in Title only, but not in $$$$…
Remember these new high-profile Coaches cost the Team some big $$$ and there is probably a little resentment by some of the Offensive Coaches who did not get a raise after having another record season as far as points scored this year…

greenfan
greenfan
February 22, 2011 2:01 pm

I had heard it could have been about length of contract (Urban leaving)…..I would think that Washburn & Mudd have at least 3 year deals.

Hate seeing good coaches leave….hopefully Vick wasn’t too attached to him.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 2:02 pm

Stevo,
I follow your logic, but If I am a team that is rebuilding (like a Panthers,Bills or
Bengals) why not just draft a Young QB and go from there where you can mold him the way you want, etc,etc… If I have to give Kolb another 2 years to Develop, he will be clsoe to 30 years old and not worth it to me..
If I am 49ers,Cardinals,Dolphins,Vikings and want to win now and keep fans in the Seat, then would go after a K Orton, V Young , D McNabb since they have a lot more experience and have name recognition over Kolb …
I see a very small MArket for Titans and see a 2nd Rounder and a 4th Rounder in Retuirn for him (which I would still take)

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
February 22, 2011 2:04 pm

G, your trying to start something….you know how sensitive Kolb supporters get!

The below questions I have only for Kolb….Vick has already answered these questions….
The biggest question is will Kolb even be an Eagle in 2011? lets ship his *bleep* out of here for some picks or a player trade!
Can Kolb get better? yes
Should he be better than he already is? considering 4 years of learning time of 1 system I think so!
Is he a pro bowl caliber QB? No
Will he be a pro bowl caliber QB? possibly, but that also means a few players have retired or simply fallen off!
Is he a solid QB? with the right team around him!
Is he a good teammate? yes, appears to be
Can he put his team on his back and lead them to victory? if their playing a Carolina or Arizona, possibly…

jakedog
jakedog
February 22, 2011 2:16 pm

The problem going forward with Vick is that given his skillset, great arm, running threat, there is a tendency to allow him to do it by hmself and/or go for the high strike throws, rather than gameplan around a system, a balanced attack, with short throws, screens, timing routes. Vick making phenomenal plays is exciting, but not conducive to championships, especially in the northeast. Rodgers won a championship by solid, extremely consistent, precisiopn-like play, but nothing spectacular

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 3:03 pm

Paulman- because drafting costs more and you at least know kolb can play.
-because bringing in 1 of those vets costs more.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 3:10 pm

I am not sold that he can play.. HE’s had 3-4 good performances in 4 years
I see as much potential in him leading a team to the Promised land as I do
Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, Tavaris Jackson, Rex Grossman, which is to say, I don’t see as an Elite oor even a Top 1/3 QB in the NFL so Why Would I give up a #1 Pick to get a back-up Qb when I get plenty of them for chump change off the free-agent wire..

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 3:20 pm

My gut tells me Kolb remains an Eagle for 2011 Season as a back-up to VIck
I think Vick plays in about 12 games and ends up with decent #’s but the Eagles finish with 9-7 Record and miss the Playoffs for 2011..
The Eagle do not sign VIck to a long-term and decide to let him walk after the 2011 Season and then decide to extend Kolb with a 3 Year Deal and annoint him as the #1 Starter in which will be Coach AR final year Coaching the Eagles as they Finish 8-10 in 2012 (18 game schedule) and miss the expanded playoffs again…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 22, 2011 3:37 pm

What interesting questions realtalk….just for fun, lets assume Vick is the QB and go over them again…

Can Vick get better? no…still making the same mistakes 10 years in
Should he be better than he already is? considering 10 years as an NFL starter…. I think so!
Is he a pro bowl caliber QB? Sometimes. First 4 games he played in and when teams lay down or are named Detroit and Jacksonville
Will he be a pro bowl caliber QB? possibly, as long as the media pumps the MVP MVP chants after 4 games like this year.
Is he a solid QB? If you think running around every 3rd play is solid QB work, then yes I suppose he is
Is he a good teammate? yes, appears to be….though I have never heard a QB say the word “I” in his interviews more than Vick does.
Can he put his team on his back and lead them to victory? Lets look at this myth….In games the Birds were losing (but manageable) at half, Vick was a scintilating 1-4.
GB…down by 10 at half L
Chic down by 7 at half L
Gia down by 21 at half W
Minny down by 3 at half L
GB down by 11 at half L

Now please don’t respond with “If Kolb had been there they woulda lost by more!” business. ‘m just pointing out the idea out there (just another bogus fallacy of Vick’s “greatness” of many) that Vick is some sort of magical comeback artist. He isn’t.

Finally Stevo, your comment:

Gary “How is that the more accomplished quarterback is doubted more than the quarterback who has been a backup for nearly all of his NFL career”.
Because the media says so. You dont really hear the fans saying this (yes there are the vinnies of the world but those blind guys are few and far between).

…..is completely garbage. There was no – repeat no NFL player who recieved more positive press and praise than Vick did. 10 seconds in to any pre-game of NFL Network show and this is what you heard: “VickvickvickvickvickvickMVPVickvickvickincredibleVickvickvickvickvick…..”

The reason Vick is doubted is because of what you saw over the last 6 games of the year. Once the D co-ords of the league gathered up some tape, Vick reverted to the scrambling fumbling machine he’s been his whole career. The reason some (and very few) are doubting Vick is because we’ve seen the ceiling and that ceiling isn’t going to bring a championship to the birds.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 3:59 pm

After reviewing the Season and taking out 1 quarter of Perfect Football versus the Redskins and the 8 Minute Miracle of the Giants game (which I don’t care what you call it, but that was a complete choke by the Giants).. Anyways the remainder of the Season and time in between I would Rate Vick’s play at a C +
He actually contributed more to those loses to the Bears and Vikings with his
INT in the End-zone just before the 1st half and the Sack leading to a TD Fumble Return just before the 1/2 versus the Vikings which was just inexcusable. He played well at times, but the play-calling became more imbalanced as the Season wore on, I think the Miracle game vs the Giants was the beginning of the end for the Eagles abanadoned the Running Game and MCCoy after that and they also put too much in Vick’s hand or feet with everyone else standing around too much saying and playing like
‘Mike, Win the game for us” instead of solid team play which is the Coaches fault and not VIck’s.. Coach AR Philosphy is cursed and will never win, I don’t care who the QB is .. He could made Joe Montana .

Bopttom line, the Eagles go 10-6 wIth VIck and have an early 1st Round
Playoff exit. Or they go 8-8/9-7 with no playoff berth.. Really not much of a difference if you ask me,.,This team is slighty better than average from top to bottom…

ozzman
ozzman
February 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Kolb is a bum . It was all hype front he beginning. Let him go somewhere else.

andrew p
andrew p
February 22, 2011 4:06 pm

Paulman, How many picks did we get for Feeley after 6 starts? Answer, 2, a 2nd and 5th, Dont doubt for a minute were not gonna get a 1 for Kolb, Theirs twice as many teams in need of a QB today then their was back then, As for all the Vick haters, give him a full traing camp as the number 1 QB and help on that right side,if he doesnt win MVP he’ll be right up there again, Heres a guy whos dedicated hisself to the game which he never did before and look at the results in one season, People talk about him staying in the pocket to long or fumbling, how about how he checks all his reads and hits recievers in stride? If Mudd is everything their saying about him Vick will be the one to bring it home for us,

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 4:23 pm

paulman… im with you. Im not sure he can play but that is the hype that surrounds him by guys like fitzgerald.

schiller
schiller
February 22, 2011 4:24 pm

Andrew, a word of advice, give up. Paulman knows everything. Especially about the future. Period.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 4:25 pm

vinnie…. its the off season and yet all anyone wants to talk about is the birds. So…. yes during the season it was all praise for vick….now all we hear is q’s….. so that we click the link and read.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 22, 2011 4:26 pm

Listen…who cares if Kolb needs experience? That can be said about any player….there’s many quarterbacks with experience that stinks. We have a quarterback with experience by the name of Michael Vick who had a 2 year lay off while Kolb was getting reps with the 2nd team and learning for an opportunity he finally received…..

What did Kolb do with the opportunity?

He lost his starting job to a guy who was third string a year prior and was in jail 2 years before that.

That’s all I needed to see.

When an opportunity comes winners seizes it knowing they may not come around again.

Kolb is a scared loser. I seen the look in his eyes when The packers were knocking him around. I read the quotes of those same players ribbing Matthews for knocking Kolb out the game only to have them squeek out a win against Michael Vick who put the team on his back without taking reps with the first team.

Did you guys forget those qoutes?

I seen him getting swallowed up against Ware in the last game against Dallas and throwing stupid picks.

If we can get anything for Kolb….I’ll be all for it.

Would it surprise anyone here if Kolb goes to another team and do absolutely nothing?

So for those guys claiming we would be better off with Kolb because of his upside, there could very well be a downside and that’s the problem….

We don’t know what we’ll get with Kolb but at least we know what we have in Vick.

MVP runner up and pro bowl starter with his first opportunity after incarceration..and what did he do with the opportunity?

Seized it!!!!!

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 4:30 pm

just for the record….. we r taalking about the back up qb again!!! i guess its a step up from talking about the redskins starter.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 4:32 pm

Just because the Dolphins overpiad for Feeley 5 years ago doesn’t mean another team will today.. There was almost no decent QB available when the Dolphins were desperate back in 2004 so they overpaid for him..
The upcoming 2005 Draft had Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, Aaron Rodgers,
Andrew Walter,Charlie Frye, David Greene, Kyle Orton, Stefan LeFors as the
top 8 QB’s coming out of College which was not a very good class at all..

You guys crack me up, just like when the Cowboys way overpaid for WR R Williams, This does not set a precedent and make every other team overpay
Some will and some won’t depending on the cuircumstances and leadership of the teams involved.. Would the Eagles love to get a 1st Round Draft Choice, sure they would… Would they take a high 2nd Round and a 4th Round Selection,, Probably so…
A real tell-tale sign will be from the Cleveland Browns who know K Kolb game,personality, make-up better than anyother team in the NFL since they
have GM Heckert,ex-Coaches who have worked with him since the Eagles
Drafted him.
If you don’t see a real genuine interest from the Browns, it’s probably
because Kolb just isn’t that good

schiller
schiller
February 22, 2011 4:32 pm

Songs, who is still arguing Kolb v. Vick – NOBODY BUT YOU. The argument is whether to keep Kolb on the team (as a backup TO VICK). But for some reason, you got back in the old argument.

paulman
paulman
February 22, 2011 4:35 pm

Bad news out of Carolina Today,
The Panthers decided to franchise C/G Ryan Kalil today and let RB DeAngelo WIlliams test the Free-Agent market.. Smart move on their part .. I was hoping the Eagles can get a run a Kalil who could be an All-Pro at either postion if he was with a good team…

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 4:36 pm

repeat… we r talking about the backup qb

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
February 22, 2011 5:02 pm

@Vinnie

seriously man, I’m not reading that novel! short and sweet please!
I do admire your loyalty to Kolb….however, he is ass compared to Vick, its that simple!
After reading your first response to the question? can Vick get better? and you responded no…I simply had to stop reading…Vick shown he can get better, where was the Vick from the ATL days in 2010? we didnt see him…if you consider the games where he ran for 100 yards, do you forget he also completed 200+ yards passing as well…Vick from ATL days would have maybe a total of 200 yards….you are still the same dumb ass! you’ll never change!

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
February 22, 2011 5:05 pm

@Vinnie
LOL after 4 years of holding the clip board..you’d think Kolb would be able to lead the Birds to a championship or would of been better prepared and took his chance and mad the most of it….LOL, thats right, Vick took his job! so that makes your whole babble moot!

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
February 22, 2011 5:35 pm

@Vinnie

For the record. Vick is not a 10 year NFL starting QB…

2009 he wasn’t a starting QB for the Eagles
2001 he wasn’t a starting QB for the Falcons
2003 started 5 games (done for year due to injury)

So Vick has started at the QB position for 6 seasons…Minus the 2003 season Vick has been a starting QB for 5 seasons….
just know the facts before you talk nonsense!

nev856
nev856
February 22, 2011 5:45 pm

if kolb can be dealt for a decent 2011 pick hes gone , if because of this cba it has to be a 2012 pick , i would keep him . i need to see a little more of vick , if under mudd’s oline he plays like that 6 game stretch i gotta keep the man , his accuracy was something i was not expecting. if things aint happening i say one or the other are trade bait.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 22, 2011 5:47 pm

You’re right. Vick’s only been a qb for 98 games. Lets give him a few more to learn how to read defence.

You’re thinking vis a vis Kolb would have had Aaron Rogers traded to Tampa Bay after he went 6-10 his first year after riding the bench for 3 years.

As I’ve stated 100x, I have no idea if Kolb will be a Superbowl winning QB, but I am willing to give him, or someone else, an opportunity because I know VIck’s idiotic, scrambly, stare at one guy, sandlot style isn’t ever going to beat a good D….especially in the playoffs.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 22, 2011 5:59 pm

Nev856…this isn’t 1985. recognize these things….

20 NFL QBs had 60% completion this year…its the new average
Vick’s completion percentage fell for 5 str8 games at the end of the season….dropping to a sweet 55.6% in the playoff game against GB.

55%….imagine the vitriolic comments on here if Vick had been hurt on the first play and Kolb dropped a 55% performance topped off by a game ending pick in that game. Or McNabb for that matter.

The ‘new’ Vick. All blemishes easily hidden under a layer of MVP foundation or your $$ back.

pheags88
pheags88
February 22, 2011 6:03 pm

Im not a die hard Vick fan or Kolb fan. I have no emotional loving attachment to either of them..Im a die hard Eagles team fan. Basically, after the next season is over one of these 2 guys will be gone and as of right now, pending on how he performs next season, Vick will be our QB for the next 5 yrs. Vick as our franchise QB will involve much more risk but yet more reward(im thinking he will imrpove his blitz reading, accuracy, reading wr routes etc) than Kolb(can’t say what he could or could not be yet at this time). The unnecessary chances Vick takes with his body on the field can kill an entire season for us if he gets a serious injury. The off the field situation of Vick can kill a season(s) for us if he does something that can get him kicked out of the league. For anybody to sit here and say they know for a fact like their life depended on it that Vick is a changed man and will not be involved in anything that violates his NFL state is a complete dumbass or is just talking with emotion instead of using their brain. People seem to not understand that Vick doesn’t need a crime to violate his status in the NFL. All that simply needs to happen is Vick talking to a person in his past and the NFL finding out about it. Yea, just talking and hes done. Now saying all this I would go with Vick even though it is more risky as my choice and trade Kolb because I want a ring and Vick as of today give me a better chance for that ring. But if I have Vick as my QB for the next 5 years I am drafting a top prospect at QB in the 1st or 2nd round after next season(unsure about Kafka as a franchise QB) because it would truly be a disaster for this team and city with all the young talent they have to have no qb if something were to happen to Vick.

famucancer
famucancer
February 22, 2011 6:19 pm

SONGSRME2
February 22, 2011 – 4:26 pm

Listen…who cares if Kolb needs experience? That can be said about any player….there’s many quarterbacks with experience that stinks. We have a quarterback with experience by the name of Michael Vick who had a 2 year lay off while Kolb was getting reps with the 2nd team and learning for an opportunity he finally received…..

What did Kolb do with the opportunity?

He lost his starting job to a guy who was third string a year prior and was in jail 2 years before that.

That’s all I needed to see.
_____________________________________________

ALL.OF.THIS.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 6:54 pm

Don’t care what kolb needs. He isnot our starter next year and he wontbe here after next year. So the q is simple… Should kolb stay this year? I say no. Not under any condition.
None. Not 1. Trade him for a first this year or if that won’t work, trade for a second this year and a 1 next year. Trade him. This is over. He’s gone boys. Wasn’t that good tobegin with.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 6:58 pm

About vick- even if he blows next year it won’t matter. He has shown enough tobe the 2011 starter, only way trading kolb willbe a bad choice will be if vick gets busted the next day with a pound of coke, 2 hookers and 3 dogs. Otherwise… He has doneenough toearn that spot. Kolb had a chance and it wentto his head (that’s actually a really funny joke if you think about it).

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 22, 2011 7:05 pm

Why is people talking about the risk of injury attached to Michael Vick when it was Kolb who got knocked silly less than one half into the season?

That alone puts the Vick might not make it through a season based on his style of play to rest. The reality is that in the NFL injuries happen.

which quarterback can play with injury at a high level?

That should be the discussion…not whether or not a QB will get hurt in a sport where it’s likely any player could get injured at anytime. If the Eagles are concerned with keeping their franchis QB Vick happy then invest in sureing up the weakside of his offensive line, run more, use more screens, and allow him to audible with quick throws against the blitz.

Again the argument of Vick getting hurt is ridiculous..Brady had season ending injuries. Injuries is part of the game.

pheags88
pheags88
February 22, 2011 7:53 pm

The argument of Vick getting hurt is not ridiculous at all. The moment he takes off running everyone in the stadium and watching the game on tv is holding their breath beacause they know Vick wont slide or run out of bounds. Now I can admire his guts but sliding isnt a bad thing…throwing the ball away when noone is open isnt a bad thing. QBs that rely on the stay in the pocket game have a less chance to get hurt cuz they expose themselves to fewer hits like Peyton Manning. How many games has he missed?

pheags88
pheags88
February 22, 2011 8:00 pm

“Why is people talking about the risk of injury attached to Michael Vick when it was Kolb who got knocked silly less than one half into the season?”

Come on man I know your smarter than that…Yes, Kolb got knocked out in the first half of a game But..

What happened on the first offensive play of the Vikings game? Vick hurt his leg and played like ass and couldnt beat a miserable team with a QB making his 1st career start that packed it in since October..and it cost us a bye which could of changed everything. Now, That is ridiculous.

pheags88
pheags88
February 22, 2011 8:14 pm

Again, some people on here obviously have their own emotional attachment to either Vick or Kolb. I dont have one to either..My point was that if I ran the organization I would keep Vick and trade Kolb even though the risk is higher with Vick. But in making Vick my QB for the next 5 yrs I would draft a top QB prospect in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft after next season. The way Vick plays ball and the hits he chooses to take added with the reality that he can be kicked out of the NFL by just talking to someone in his past would make the Eagles complete idiots if they didnt have a back up plan in place.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 22, 2011 8:28 pm

Pheag….the risk is higher with Kolb

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 22, 2011 8:28 pm

The risk of a losing season

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 8:40 pm

I have no attachment at all. If I did have one, he was traded on easter, and even that I was fine with. I’m just looking at the facts. Vick is going to get a long term deal. It is going to happen (sorry vinnie). Therefore, kolb will not be starting next year. The man will not sign a deal after next season (risk of getting screwed 2 times by the same team). So….

Your choices would be…

1) Trade kolb for what you can get.use it to help the team now. And sounds like we will get a steal.

2) Keep kolb and watch him walk next year. (No picks or players to help) and. He’s pissed all yr.

3) Keep and franchise next year. Never gunna happen.

Seriously people… We have swiss cheese for an o line and 1 man in the secondary worth talking about and we spend hours debating about our back up qb and wr’s ( an actual strength). Only in philly does this happen.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2011 8:43 pm

So much fuss over what?? A man who has been… The 3rd, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd best qb on our team for the last 4 years.