Earlier today, NFL writer Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated tweeted some interesting information concerning Eagles backups quarterback Kevin Kolb and what teams which are interested in acquiring a quarterback are saying about him.
Amazingly it’s not giving up the first round draft which bothers these teams. They’re concerned that Kolb will have outrageous contract demands.
“Keep hearing that teams interested inKkolb are not scared of draft choice compensation. They’re scared of the contract Kolb wants.”
Despite the success he’s had in a few games, Kolb is still an unproven entity. He hasn’t taken a team to the playoffs or led a team to a playoff win.
Of course the Eagles will have nothing to say about what Kolb will be demanding for a new contract.
Kolb got an $11 million dollar bonus when he was named the team’s starting quarterback a year ago. He’s in the final year of a two year contract which he signed a year ago and he’ll make only $1.392 million in salary this year.
Kolb has stolen enough money. Let him actually earn something now.
I hear OMaha from tthe UFL calling , Once QB Jeff Garcia completes his contract in 2012.. Good Grief.. Kolb needs to prove he’s a Starter first..
I suspect this is a rumor started by a team trying to scare other teams away. Kolb is signed for a year cheap. If he fails to deliver, then they are only out a draft choice. If aQB drafted in the top 10 fails, you are out a draft choice AND a boatload of guaranteed money. If Kolb is successful, then any team will pay him
Sounds like some front office personnel may be trying to set Kolb up to accept a low-ball offer. No, I’m not a huge Kolb fan, but I am pro player and I believe these guys earn every dime.
Kolb has no say at the moment and is under contract for the next season. He cannot effect at all where he goes so whichever team gets him has a one year audition period. The Eagles should care less what he makes elsewhere so I don’t understand the story. I personally wish Kolb well but don’t think he”ll amount to anything more then a average “game manager” QB. I believe his few decent showings in part are due to a good surrounding team structure with the Eagles. I don’t see “star” when I see him play.
Salary demands? For what? He just got handed money last year for doing nothing. If he goes out there and plays like a starter then he will get paid like one. Having salary demands when you’ve accomplished nothing is almost as absurd as rookies getting 30 million+ guaranteed contracts
Yeah they earn every dime, even if they stand on the sideline the entire year. What is the definition of earn again?
rastadoc, the reason this is a story is because that could make trading him harder if a team feels like he’s going to want too much money so they won’t trade a 1st round pick for a guy they may only keep 1 year and have no chance or don’t want to sign to a huge contract. That’s why Kolb, in a way can dictate the market for him. Just like in basketball when Carmelo was about to get traded, the only teams that were going to trade for him were the ones who Carmelo said he would sign long term with which would make giving up a lot easy to do. You won’t give up a lot for a guy that you have to see walk away shortly thereafter.
scorp, your point about it being ureasonable for him to demand a lot is well intended, but it’s his agent that would argue for high salary – and since when do agents care about being reasonable?
This is all about agents and prospective teams not wanting to trade (a lot) for a guy and not have him locked up longer than one year. It’s highly unlikely a team would trade for him, and give up such value, and then be satisfied with a one year expiring deal. Any team that trades him WILL want to lock him up for longer.
I dont think this story has any teeth, First off theirs gonna be a restricted and frachise tag with this new CBA, if a team picks him up and he has a good year the new team will have at least two years on top of this coming year to pay him Decent money and evaluate him at the same time, no worry people he’s outta here !!
Cant wait for Kolb to start for another team. So everyone can see just how much he really sucks. Kolb would’nt have lasted a season here. Desean wouldve cursed him out almost every game for not being able to get him the ball deep.(Weak Arm) He under threw Maclin for several sure Tds as well.
Kevin Kolb is nothing more Than another Matt Moore from the Carolina Panthers. Look at the comparisons. They Panthers got rid of their long term QB Jake Delhomme after Matt Moore had only a few good games. And when the next season came he stunk up the place, got booed, and got benched For another horrible QB Jimmy Clausen
The Eagles got rid of their Long term QB Mcnabb because Kolb had 2 good games last season. The time came for Kolb to be a full time starter and he stunk up the place. Kolb is nothing more than a career back up. Just Wait and see. The thing is teams dont have much film on the guy. When he is a full time starter they’ll catch on to him quickly and learn his tendencies. He is not good under pressure.
Interesting stat here for you guys. Kolb has only thrown 1 TD in every game he has started except the Atl game. Yeah sure, hes a championship caliber QB alright.
supabad, the Eagles got rid of McNabb because he sucked — plain and simple. Accept it. He wasn’t the same QB anymore, period. Yes, Kolb made the move a “safer” one, but don’t get it twisted, they got rid of McNabb because he was/is on the decline.
Besides, no one is here to argue about that situation anymore. Michael Vick is our quarterback, Kevin Kolb is the backup and is soon to be traded. There — finished.
Anybody else get that stupid WalMart survey, get a $250 gift card thing every time you come on this site? I always close the window thinking its just spam, but it sure would be nice to get some free groceries….
supabud= stupid racist
I am actually tired of all the stupid pop up windows, Randall…… I am about to stop coming here. Too annoying.
Let me elaborate. There are a lot of posters here who feed off the dividing commentary of Cobb on the once starting qb Kolb, Cobb always eager to point out his perceived unfairness of the treatment of the white qb to the black qb, in my opinion gcobb promotes a racial debate, prompting people who are black to say Kolb is “ass” as songs posts or that Kolb “sucks” as the idiot racist supabud posted, this website is among the most racist, dividing sites I have ever read
I hate the pop ups too…. Been saying it for a while…. G talks about what the fans want when it comes to the lockout. G, how about what your fans want on this site…. No more spam.
G doesn’t give a shit, it pays the bills. It does SIGNIFICANTLY lower the quality of this site. But he just moves on from one popup to another
G,
Do you own Walmart stock?
@ Jake. .Why is it someone’s opinion of kolb racist
if they say he sucks or has a weak arm..?
schiller, I agree that a player has every right to ask for more money. But whether they deserve it or not or even have the credentials to make such demands is a different argument. So while I agree it’s in Kolb’s and his agent’s best interest to get as much money as possible but I don’t think he has the credentials or accomplishments to ask for anything more than what he’s already gotten from the Eagles. Just my thoughts. Not saying he’s right or wrong (even if this story is true) just that I don’t think he has the credentials to do so. So I’m with you.
I could care less if Kolb was blue black or yellow. That plays no part in how I feel about him as a QB. Same thing with Vick. I care about what they do no the field. Period. Everything always has to come back to race. And while we don’t have to agree about the motives behind some people’s opinions but until you actually hear it, see and experience it for yourself you will never understand. I’ll never forget being at last year’s opening game against the Packers and Kolb looked so bad that an older white guy (probably in his 40s) yelled out “Andy, put in the black QB, at least he’ll be able to run away from those guys”. He didn’t say put Vick in. He said the black guy. And even though that’s just 1 idiot, he’s not the only person that sees color when he sees athletes especially when it comes to QBs in the NFL. Agree or disagree, that’s reality.
to say Kolb “sucks”, has a”baby arm”, or as that nitwit songs says, is “ass”, you are either a moron or there is an underlying agenda being promoted, it ain’t that difficult to figure out
Lastly, I don’t think everyone’s comments are racially charged but I do think some are and some people have an unconscious bias that they aren’t even aware of. Whether we like it or agree with it, I do believe there were a lot of fans that were ready to see a white QB be good for this team. They were tired of the black QB who was supremely athletic, cannon arms but perceived to not be smart enough or have leadership qualities (which is a stereotype for black QBs). It goes all the way to Randall. Many people wanted to see that prototypical NFL QB. And when you look around the league that is a young white guy. And then many black people often see the criticism towards a QB that happens to be black and some attribute that to racial bias and others don’t. I do think it does exists. Not many people will come out and say it but it does. It’s just reality.
Out of all the Eagles fans that didn’t like McNabb I would be lying if I said I don’t think any of them didn’t like having a black QB. But I think that’s a minority. And by the same token, out of all the fans that all of a sudden liked Kolb and the media lovefest, I’d be lying if I said they weren’t just excited about having a different QB, but a white QB. Again, I think those are the minority. Whether we like it or not some people will always be racially bias, whether they know it or not. I don’t know how many times I hear people say people only see Larry Bird as great because they never seen a white basketball player as good as him. Same thing about Steve Nash. And we’ve already heard the comments that McNabb was seen as being good only because he was black and people wanted to see a great black QB. Forget all his career states, but he was only talked to be good because of his skin color. A lot of people feel like that. And a lot of people were looking for Kolb to be the “great white hope” so to speak. The anti McNabb. Personable, honest, smart and for some, not black. That is the harsh reality. Having said that, I don’t really care. If I think a guy is a bum, I’m going to call him a bum whether he’s black, white or asian. But I don’t think we can honestly say everyone feels that way because they don’t.
jake, maybe the underlying motive is that they just don’t like him or they feel scorned by the McNabb exile. Doesn’t mean it’s racially charged. But I do think some have racial bias. But not everyone. So with what you think, do you think there is a racial motive when people talk about Vick or McNabb in a negative way? You surely can’t think it’s one-sided. I do think that some comments towards either play is racially motivated but I don’t think all of them are. If someone thinks Kolb sucks, maybe they just think he sucks. Not because he’s white. Do they have to force themselves to like Kolb if they really have gripes with his play? When someone says Vick can’t read defenses, what does that mean? Are they saying that because they don’t think black QBs can do it? Or just Vick? It’s naive to think some people don’t have racial bias but it’s also naive to think everyone does.
I really don’t see how it’s racial to say Kolb has a baby arm when we saw him throw a ball up in the air and it hung like a punt against the titans. When we see other guys around the league can make certain throws with the flick of a risk. Would this be better: Compared to Vick, Rodgers, McNabb, Favre, Kolb has a baby arm. Is that racist? Does someone have to qualify their opinion for it to not be racist? If so, that’s just dumb.
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for what its worth I’ll put this out there, as I find it relevant – there’s a theory amongst social psychologists/social workers/anthropolgists etc… that ‘nobody is racist’ (bear with me, keep reading)… but ‘we all (at least in America) HAVE racism to varying degrees – mostly due to culturalization.
In other words, it can be helpful to think of racism as an epidemic, a disease, a potent thought system that we are all subjected to in society early and often. Can anyone argue against that?
Therefore, the ‘x person is a racist or that is racist, x person isn’t a racist, that isn’t racist’ talk can be counterproductive….
chew on that fellas….
Ok, just to clear some things up….the game against the Titans was one of the most WINDIEST games in the NFL this season. Kerry Collins passes were hanging too but whatshisface was OWNING Ellis Hobbs so it didn’t matter. What the hell was that kids name against? Kenny Britt? Trash.
They say Drew Brees doesn’t have an arm either, big deal. Jamarcus Russel has a CANNON, but he couldn’t hit a valley in the Grand Canyon so who gives a damn?
Kolb is a damn good QB but he needs a line to protect him. In the one game where the line played outstanding (Atlanta) — you saw the result.
Birdo fully agree that Drew Brees doesn’t have a big arm. And personally I don’t think you need to have freakish like arm strength to be in the league. But that’s not the argument and neither does that mean that Kolb doesn’t. The argument by jake was that when people criticize his arm they must be racist. That’s just dumb. The thing is all fans have there own beliefs on what a QB needs to have to be successful. And whether Kolb is a good QB or not that doesn’t change he doesn’t have the best arm strength. Having said that, I don’t think it matters in the end. But again, that wasn’t the argument. So listing other QBs with poor arm strength doesn’t change the facts. And yes it was windy that day but we all know Kolb doesn’t have the best strength. I think he has decent enough. And please do not use ATL’s game as an example. They didn’t blitz the entire game. If they are going to sit back and let their CBs try to run with Maclin and Jackson all day, they will get eaten up. How’d Kolb look against aggressive defenses that hit him and not let him sit comfortable. Either terrible or average at best. So just like you can pick a game where the defense played soft someone can pick a game where the defense was good and aggressive. Until he goes out there and proves it each week, I will refrain from calling him either a good QB or a bum.
schiller, that makes sense. Unfortunately doesn’t make it disappear. As long as race is a hot button on controversial subject in this country we can see exactly how far we have come. I think everyone has some sort of unconscious bias towards those that are most like them. So not just race but sex, weight, age etc.. I think it’s something that just exists is often demonstrated. For example: there’s no question the many “brothas in the hood” are Vick fans because it’s most like them and could care less about Kolb. Many of them probably feel they relate to him a lot more and race has something to do with it. That’s not to say that they all dislike Kolb but that unconsciously they want to see Vick succeed and Kolb fail. And you can flip it so a white middle age guy that lives in a mainly white neighborhood probably has the same feelings toward Kolb. The thing is, few would be honest about their motives and simply saying someone is racist, like jake did simply because they criticized someone is a little ridiculous, at least to me. Am I saying he’s wrong about those people? No. I’m saying I can’t assume someone’s motives over the Internet on what are behind their feelings. I can only go on what they say as I have no idea about their character. And there are only a few people that are willing to admit their true feelings because they don’t care what others think. Now whether they should keep their mouths shut, is a different story.
scorp – agreed.
Listen…this thing is not about race, but racism exists with double standards at the QB position. No one in Philadelphia would have called foul if Mcnabb was replaced with Tom Brady..a better quarterback. Tom Brady is white…so what? He’s a better QB than Mcnabb.
Imagine if New England drafted a young Rodney Peete to replace Brady in his prime instead of giving him a weapon in the first round that could help him win a Superbowl.
And when the team finally get weapons …trade Brady and hand the team over to an unproven, weak armed, Rodney Peete.
A matter of fact…Let’s change the QB to Philip Rivers so you guys don’t use a Superbowl win as an excuse.
There’s a double standard at the QB position and that leads to claims of racism.
Song, McNabb is way PAST his prime. As the weapons around him got better, he got worse. He had to go. Accept it. And move on.
Birdo…Mcnabb declining skills was not the issue…who they decided to replace him with was. Vick pulled their behinds out of the fire, so don’t ignore the issue by pointng to Mcnabb so called declining play. Those eroding skills didn’t stop the offence from being one of the most prolific high scoring offenses before diaper boy was annointed the next best thing. Read the comment again and answer to the topic.
Songs, so if you say who they decided to replace 5 with was the issue, you are saying that you have your panties all in a bunch over 1 measley start in week one. And your saying that you know exactly what kolb is, what he would have done in a hypothetical situation, and into the future. That’s crazy! Who’s to say even if kolb had a bad season, behind that so so at best line, which would have put us where we are now, that a few ol aquisitions, like there likley will be this year, wouldn’t put the team in a position to win it all next ‘season’? I’m not. Saying I know it would have happened, but…
Hey, I’m very happy with vick at qb, though worried about his proven to be dangerous at times ego…but the man threw a pick that killed the season, literally. But you are still panty bunched at the game one starter choice….shss…
And don’t give me that ‘but the front office and the media said all that about kolb bring the franchise guy, the future, the comparisons…’ only a fool puts any more stock in what they say than what a tv commercial car salesman says
again Schill…you’re suffering from the same ignorance as birdo. My comment was not about what Kolb would have done had he started a full season…it’s about the double standard..read it again and answer to the topic.
you didn’t speak to a double standard. The double standard argument is a reasonable one, but your words were about weapons for McNabb early in his career, and ‘who they replaced him with’…. whatever
McNabb sucked and when speaking at press conferences he was annoying and off-putting. Kolb stabbed wild boars since he was a kid and wasn’t as good as Vick. Vick killed dogs. Plenty of racists at this site. Same as at Philly.com. It’s because everyone can hide behind their pseudonyms. Lots of class animosities and anti-semitism here too. Football is violent, and so are we as a people. GCobb is beyond reproach. He is the best radio host in Phila. and runs a great site where we football-loving idiots have a forum to anonymously voice our moronic and sometimes hateful opinions.
Fan, somewhat off point with your post but 100% correct
So we’re back to grading corn on the Kolb again? Really?
Relative to championship caliber NFL QBs Kolb does have a baby arm
(FACT)
Relative to the early careers of high caliber QBs Kolb has thrown significantly more interceptions than most [more likely ALL]
(FACT)
Kolb instinctively makes poor decisions at critical times.
(FACT)
As to the comparison to Drew Brees…ridiculous, but I’ll entertain that. Drew Brees has a weak arm compared to Tom Brady or Donovan McNabb. Brees throws out routes rarely, but doesn’t struggle with those when he does and throws 30 yard passes without having to put his entire body into the pass thus effecting the accuracy of throw. Compared to Kolb, Drew Brees has a Howitzer attached to his shoulder.
A lot of people want to downplay the importance of arm strength for a QB, but that’s just absurd. Great arm strength isn’t really about bombs away QB play. Great arm strength is 90% of the whole enchilada. Ty Detmer had genius level QB IQ, threw very few interceptions and never won a championship of any kind on the pro level as a starter…because he had poor arm strength. Ben Rothlesburger has mediocre football IQ, but great arm strength and great instincts. He has two or is it three championships (I forget.) The key differences are predictability and limitations of where the QB can accurately place the ball on the field. When a player can make all of the throws and has proven he can make them at appropriate times defenses have a hard time building and maintaining a strategy against the offense. Weak armed QBs force an offensive group to constrict the playbook into the middle of the field and short (where all of the defenders are.) Weak armed QB play makes offenses predictable which is why arm strength separates the best from the rest.
From a skills and game instincts standpoint AJ Feeley is a better NFL QB than Kevin Kolb even though they share some of the same flaws. To bring race into the conversation basically just muddies the waters in your own mind when attempting to realistically grade a QB. People in Philly that like Kolb like him because he’s a “Shoot from the Hip” kind of guy, a guy that fishes and has killed wild boar not because he’s a decent QB. At least be honest with yourselves. If you’re brining race into the conversation it’s because you want a White QB which is basically the worst place to start a player evaluation.
butch, your ‘fact’ #2 is just plain bullshit. You got stats for that?
And your ‘fact’ # 3 is true, about EVERY Fing QB, um EVER. Seriously, that’s a human nature thing that all QBs have exhibited. That’s so foolish of you to say that.
I’m not a Kolb fan, or anti him… but (FACT) you think you know what he is and all that he will ever be. (Fact), that is ridiculously foolish.
You’re obviously entitled to your opinion and prediction, but you are clearly very biased.
Schill…you are correct there….no one knows what Kolb is, and after all these years that’s the problem.
Special players are special when given the opportunity…
I don’t have to guess whether or not the Lion’s QB Stafford is a player…while his injuries have limited his play….he shows flashes of toughness and can put a team on his back and pull out a win…Stafford have been in the league less years than Kolb, yet we still don’t know what Kolb is.
Not knowing is the problem.
This is what we do know.
1. He can not improvise outside of the system when a play breaks down.
2. He’s a starch bum and operates like a deer in headllights after a few hits.
3. He have a below average arm.
4. He’s not what the Eagles said he would be when they annointed him the starter.
If we can get a 1st rounder for him….I’ll be elated…..we’ll finally be able to draft a weapon to help the team instead of trading down and picking up a future QB with a weak arm that can’t hold on to a job given to him after trading a more athletic strong armed winner.
Damn….that already happened
songs, to your (#’d) points,
1. – stupid thing to say – that’s something that can without a doubt be developed/come in time/with experience. So stating it is just pointless and silly
2. – see above
3. – can’t argue there, doesn’t really mean much except for he can’t hit Djax for an 80 yrd. bomb to start games like we do sometimes… whatever
4. – that’s total bs, similar to #1 and 2. Given a full season and a line, he very well might be what they said he would….
Dude, you’re entitled to hate Kolb. But you blatantly contradict yourself when you say “Schill…you are correct there….no one knows what Kolb is, and after all these years that’s the problem.”…..followed by “i know what Kolb is _____ ____ ____and _____.
Seriously, that’s a terrible terrible attempt at making a valid argument.
kolb is ass…….he will go some other place and get benced before the year is out…Don’t forget Schill….I’m the guy who said Kolb would have a 2 game leash to prove if he belonged….Remember? His ass got benched and now he’s up for the highest bidder. Read it and Paste it. Kolb will be benched before the season is done.
Songs, you really are going to ignore the concussion? And vick’s surprise play? If you are trying to spin it as Kolb didn’t start game 2 because of his skill/performance, than you are truly delusional.
Blah Blah Blah Blah – that is all that is going on here…Who gives a *bleep*,?Kolb does not have a future with the Eagles, its that simple, he is no longer the starting QB, pretty soon he won’t even be the backup! This is by his request, so just ship his ass out of here ASAP!
Everyone saying you dont know what Kolb can do yada yada yada, but possibly, could it be that Kolb is exactly what he has shown to be, an average QB?
real, it certainly could be that.