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Should The Eagles Be Favored Over The Packers?

The most accomplished team and the most improved team; those seem like the present favorites to take the NFL at the moment don’t they? The Packers have the honor of being the former, having won the Superbowl this past February in Dallas, while the Eagles, by far, have certainly taken on the role of the latter in this frenzied free agency period.

As if he had owed the Philadelphia coach a great debt, Eagles GM Howie Roseman has gone on spree of big acquisitions for Andy Reid and his men, and in the process, has brought all of the NFL’s attention to the city of brotherly love. Naturally, this attention has centered around one interesting question. Can the Eagles challenge the Packers for supremacy in the NFC, and take that step above Green Bay to the Superbowl.

What makes such a question even more interesting is the fact that we saw exactly how these teams stacked up against each other in Wild Card weekend 2011. The Eagles lost of course, but were a good two minute drill away from winning it, and if they had done that, perhaps we would be talking about the Eagles beginning a title defense this year.

This didn’t happen however, and although the game was close, the reality remains that the Packers was able to pull out the win in Philly last winter.

A look at how the Packers beat the Eagles last time out, and subsequently what the Eagles have done to address those issues, could tell us more about this year’s prospects than anything else.

The first thing to take notice of in that game is that the Packers attacked the Eagles defense with an assortment of guys in their passing game. While Greg Jennings is their undisputed no. 1 receiver, Aaron Rodgers completed passes to nine different players with none of theme accumulating over 60 individual reception yards.

What allowed them to do this was the effective running game on the day, as James Starks rushed for over 120 yards. Essentially, the Eagles’ inability to deal with the run was their undoing, as Aaron Rodgers was allowed to simply manage the game for a win, sounds unusual for a man of Rodgers’ talents, but when you consider that two of their touchdowns came on a play-action pass and a simple screen and the fact that out of the 61 offensive plays that Green Bay called, 32 of them were run plays, you can see why “managing the game” is exactly what Packers’ signal caller did.

The second aspect of the game to take note of is the performance of the Eagles’ offensive line. Their performance simply wasn’t good enough. Michael Vick faced a lot of heat when he dropped back to pass, and on too many occasions, the support just wasn’t there for LeSean McCoy to have success against that Packers D, made evident by his failure to reach over 50 rushing yards in the game.

While the Eagles receivers were able to have relative success against the Packers secondary in the open field, as Philly got closer to the goal line, and as the field got shorter, the Packers were able to contain them, and the Eagles were able to score a touchdown just once out of their three trips to the red zone, and that came off of a fourth down conversion in the fourth quarter.

Now if we’re going to accurately evaluate how the Eagles stack up against the Packers, we must consider what impact the new personnel can have on the issues that led to their downfall in January.

The most notable additions, Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie will have a big effect on the Packers distributive passing game. The most obvious thing to expect is great amount of single coverage allowing the Eagles to get after the quarterback with more blitz packages and with more frequency.

New pass rushers Jason Babin and Cullen Jenkins will have a hand in that no doubt.
The Eagles have also improved their offensive line with the additions of Evan Mathis, while Ryan Harris looks a good bet to provide better protection on Michael Vick’s blind side. Meanwhile, Ronnie Brown just might prove to be one of the best pick ups of the off season, as you can expect the running back to add even more dynamism to an already explosive offense.

These improvements do have the Eagles in the best position to make a run through the NFC in recent memory but there are two things that can hold them back. The least of these reasons is their linebacking core. It is no secret that the Eagles’ linebackers as a whole are, well, average. And when you consider that much of the Packers’ success in their playoff game came from runs up the middle and passes to non-wideout targets, you why that’s a concern.

Consider this. Of the 180 passing yards that Rodgers threw for in the Wild Card match up versus the Eagles, 100 of them were attributed to running backs and tight end Andrew Quarles, whom you expect, for the most part, to be dealt with by Philadelphia’s linebackers.

All of this is not to say that one game determines how the Eagles will play all the time, or how the Packers will play everytime, but such an example shows that there is a successful formula that was used to beat the Eagles, and what Philly has done in the off-season does not render that formula obsolete. When you factor that in and the fact that the Eagles did not make any major signings at the safety position, (they in fact lost Quintin Mikell) it’s clear to see that if they are going to be attacked in any way, it will be through the middle, and the Packers, along with other teams, are more than capable of doing that.

Even with average linebackers, you could still say that the Eagles are right up there with the Packers as favorites to go to the Superbowl, after all, no team is perfect. But there’s just one aspect that puts Green Bay ahead of Philadelphia, and that’s stability.

When it comes to Andy Reid as coach, that’s as stable as you’re going to get in the NFL, he is the longest tenured coach that is currently in the league. Elsewhere on the Eagles however, there are many question marks. DeSean Jackson is currently holding out, while Jeremy Maclin’s fitness remains a mystery (he’s suffering from…something). Who’s going to start on the O-line is anyone’s guess, and Asante Samuel’s been talking as if he’s got a bone to pick with management (maybe he does need a hug).

You then look at the Green Bay Packers, and there’s just no comparison. The Packers have been as quite as a church mouse during this free agent period, and with good reason. They’ll be getting a lot of guys back healthy again, key players like Jermichael Finley and Ryan Grant are set to return from injury, and this is also a year in which Aaron Rodgers further establishes himself as a top quarterback in the league, along with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. The Packers are group of guys that, in a lockout shortened season, have the chemistry and continuity needed to pick up where they left of last year, right on top of the podium.

The Eagles have made themselves a tougher match-up no doubt, and you can expect them to be even tougher once they gel, but in the words of NFL columnist Don Banks, the Packers are a “young, deep, and ridiculously talented” team. It is for this reason, that Green Bay remains the favorite to take the crown in the National Football Conference.

Joseph Milord

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lewdoggie20
lewdoggie20
August 5, 2011 7:12 am

eagles should not be favored. pakers are the champs until proven otherwise. but i still like the eagles more

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
August 5, 2011 7:36 am

The reality is that teams that win the SB rarely make the playoffs the season after…Another thing..The Eagles played right with GB and still were a few kicks short with Akers missing.and don’t forget we still were one play from winning that game at the end.

So, I will be the first to say the Green bay Packers will not even be close to the Eagles this year…on another note I really think the Eagles should try Jason Peters at Right tackle and put the less Athletic Tackle to the Left..Vicks blindside may determine the season.

It might not work but it’s worth trying in the preseason…

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
August 5, 2011 7:40 am

Of course they should. They made the most moves to improve and look unstoppable on paper. They just need to prove it on the field.

To say the Packers are the favorites/better team because they won the Superbowl last year is like saying the San Fran Giants are the favorites to the win the World Series and are better than the Phils — is that the case?

DixieFan
DixieFan
August 5, 2011 8:28 am

we’ll see

paulman
paulman
August 5, 2011 8:39 am

I agree with SOngs and have stated so about J Peters going to RT,
Losing Vick or having him miss any time would most liklely knock the Eagles out of any seriouis Super BOwl Run.. Protecting his blind side is a must and being Left-handed, the Eagles best OT needs to play on the Right Side. which is J Peters.
Since Vick is left-handed , he would be able to see on-coming rushers from the LT side, so if you want to go with a newbie or slide Herramans out, that’s the side to do it for VIck has the athleticism to still be able to get away from a Pass Rush that he can see coming..

As far as the PAckers being the favorites, I would have to say they are with most of their team intact and the return of many injured players from last season.. I do think they will miss DT/DE C Jenkins and DT Jolley (Suspended with many legal troubles) and OG Colledge but they;ve had great Drafts the last few seasons and have plenty of young talent..
Most Super Bowl Champion Teams have a difficult time bouncing back after all the hoopla, media attention,big egos,holdouts, etc,etc, but remember that playing in Green Bay is not like playing anywhere else.. The Packers are already revered by their fans and local media, but Green Bay is a very small city, and they will not have the distractions and temptaitions to get fat,dumb & lazy which is easier to occur and happen for teams/players that are in large cities/markets..

paulman
paulman
August 5, 2011 8:43 am

Paulman’s Preseaon Top 5 teams in the NFC

#1) GB Packers
#2) Eagles
#3) Falcons
#4) TB Bucs
#5) Seattle Seahawks

jakedog
jakedog
August 5, 2011 9:01 am

Even with all the upgrades, if Reid doesn’t balance the offense with more running, especially late season, cold weather games, there will be no super bowl appearance

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
August 5, 2011 9:26 am

Great great article Joe, well thought out, honest and acurate.

To say that were favored over the packers now because we made big moves in the offseason is idiotic… were talking about the defending champs who placed 14 on the injury list last year, there fully loaded and ready to defend that title… if anyone can repeat it would be them, they make me a little nervous, but whats great is we wont have to face them unless we see them in the playoffs so we ll know officially by them… but the eagles have alot of work ahead of them in order to be on the same level as those guys… Im hearing that in green bay their offense is having trouble moving the ball against that vaunted defense, even though usually it takes the offense longer than the defense to gel, hopefully our defense will be dominate like that and if they stay healthy i think they can be… but one step at a time guys, lets not put too much on this team, there is enough pressure on them to be great, the media will use the stupid comment from VY about the squad being a dream team to the max… I also wanted to mention how packers TE returning from IR came out talking aboutthe eaglessaying on twitter..” Man i wish we had the damn Eagles on the schedule. All this “Dream Team” talk is killin me”.. Guys are coming out of the woodwork… don mchoke came out talking trying to add fuel to the fire, its GO time! Its time for the eagles to answer the bell, they gotta prove it on the field, that the bottom line and thats all that matters in the end, anybody can talk but alot also struggle to prove it on the field…

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
August 5, 2011 9:31 am

No Songs that is not reality….
I can only think of the Steelers and Cowboys.
The Steelers in 08 I think
Cowboys back in the 90’s

There’s been more occurences where the loser of the SB does not make the playoffs the following season..

Iggles
Iggles
August 5, 2011 11:33 am

Absolutely no way this team should be favored; the Pack is no fluke plus they have their starting injured players back. Rodgers is top QB. They are ones favored in the NFC. The Eagles are no more than one possible contender among several in the conference no matter who they’ve drafted/signed. Lurie made it clear yesterday when he said we’re no dream team, but the Packers are because they have the Lombardi… again.

Iggles
Iggles
August 5, 2011 11:40 am

There have been numerous repeat SB winners: Packers in 67/68, Dophins in 73/74, Steelers 75/76 and again in 79/80, Niners in 89/90, Dallas 93/94, Denver 98/99, Patriots 04/05… and all but Denver has more SB’s than just these years. It’s hard to repeat though.

zelez
zelez
August 5, 2011 12:00 pm

Songs that is not reality at all, Realtalk got it right. SB winners return to the playoffs the following year over 90% of the time. Realtalk if I remember correctly you are right with the Steelers and boys. The SB losers more than half the time crumble and do not make the playoffs the following season.

Onto Jason Peters, I do not think they should move him to the right side for several reasons. First, I do not know about Jason Peters specifically, but most lineman become built to play a specific side/position on the line and would not transition well switching to the other side. Second, even though it is Vick’s blindside, almost all of the elite pass rushing DE’s play on the right side opposite the left tackle position, and almost always can not switch to the left side for a game just because the qb is left handed. It is more important to have your best tackle facing the best opposing pass rusher than it is to have him on the qb’s blindside.

3rd, Jason Peters is an extremely effective blocker when contact is made at off the line, but when an agile and athletic OLB is coming at him with speed, he is easily juked out or out maneuvered. I trust Vick can outrun most of these guys if he see’s them coming, but if on his blindside chances are that he wont. Ryan Harris is much more athletic tackle, and while he may not do as well at blocking the bigger Dlinemen than Peters, he is much better at picking up the outside pass rushers(i.e. Clay Matthews) who will be flying trying to get around the tackle, not through them. I think one of the reasons they picked up this guy is because he excels at this, and with great coaching he has potential to be even better at it. I think everyone was crapping their pants watching Clay Matthews last year make 1 head fake to fly by Winston and running like a madman at our precious QB.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
August 5, 2011 12:02 pm

Should not be favored over them until we either beat them or are just having a better season. Other than that, what happens in the offseason doesn’t matter until you do it on the field.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
August 5, 2011 12:07 pm

Realtalk is right. It’s higher number that the loser of the Super Bowl does not make the playoffs the following year, not the winner. And I’ll say it again, you don’t win championships on paper. We should be heavy favorites in the NFC and so should Green Bay. But Green Bay has just about the same team as last year and they beat us twice last year. So as long as they are playing well and we still haven’t beat them I would not say we should be favored over them but favored equally or just slightly less.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
August 5, 2011 12:10 pm

Iggles, I agree with you. It’s extremely hard to repeat and not likely to happen but at the same time it’s possible and it’s not unlikely that the Super Bowl winner from the previous year makes a deep run the next year before losing. It’s usually the losing team of the Super Bowl that falters the next season. The Pack may not get to the Super Bowl this year, but giving no injuries, I’d expect them to make another deep run. Having said that, I think we can beat them. We could have beat them last year if Vick would have played the entire game the 1st time and if Akers can make a timely field goal and Vick doesn’t throw that INT. They weren’t that much better than us. BUT until we do beat them, I won’t say we are the better team. I’m more concerned about this team meshing together with the new players and coaches. Worry about Green Bay later.

phillywill
phillywill
August 5, 2011 4:37 pm

hard question to ask an eagle fan
i said we were best team in league when we had todd stinkston and james trash at wideout at least the nfc anyway
clearyly we winning the superbowl this yr lol
IM READY

paulman
paulman
August 5, 2011 5:18 pm

Does anyone remember GB PAckers WR James Jones dropping a sure TD pass with about 40 seconds left before the 1st Half ended as he ran right on by the sleep walking A Samuel..This would have made it 21-3 Packers at the half pretty much deciding the game (just like the NFC Championship Game versus the Cardinals where Eagles were down big at the half)
The Eagles made valiant comebacks to have a chance in both these games, but to say the Eagles outplayed or deserved to win either of these games is just not true, they were handled at the line of scrimmage in both games, not as bad as they were manhandled versus the Cowboys in 2009, but never the less, they were not the better team in any of theses games

phillywill
phillywill
August 5, 2011 5:46 pm

lol this from a guy who is probably just figuring out who the best team in the nl is. i’d say baseball but i know u as a philly hater will say bo sox so i wont go there

DDCar
DDCar
August 5, 2011 6:41 pm

The Packers are reigning Champions. They also have 12 injured starters & key players, returning. We may be much better on paper, but until the chemistry clicks, we get the WR’s situated, & we actually win something, the Packers are a little ahead of us. Let’s not hoist the Lombardi Trophy just yet. Chill out a bit.

Butch007
Butch007
August 5, 2011 11:52 pm

There were clearly times that the Eagle s offense was stopped and unable to score for nearly entire games last year even with DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin in and playing well. The one area that needed to be improved that would have made the team unstoppable offensively was the WR position. Because neither Maclin or Jackson are suited well for fighting off physical DBs. The Eagles NEED a big and fast WR like Vincent Jackson. Forget Randy Moss just get someone you know will be around for years that will be that last piece in making the offense a steamroller over everyone. Trade the picks and move on.