On Sunday evening, New York Giants quarterback emerged from the shadows of his brother and showed that he was his own quarterback. He showed that he too could lead a team to a Super Bowl. He showed that with a Super Bowl win under his belt and the chance to make that two, that he was much more accomplished than his brother was 8 years into his career. It took older brother, Peyton, nine years to win his first Super Bowl, a win that solidified his spot in the Hall of Fame. This being Eli’s 8th season, he has a chance to win on the professional sports’ biggest stage for a second time.
Eli fought a long, tough game to be able to get to where he and the Giants are now. Thanks in part to teammate Devin Thomas and 49ers kick returner Kyle Williams, the special teams proved to be where the two teams were set apart in a game that could not be decided in 60 minutes of regulation football.
Manning’s toughness is what won the New York Giants this football game. Even though he took 20 hits, got knocked down 12 times, and was sacked 6 times, Manning didn’t go to the press after the game and complain that somebody wasn’t doing their job.
Our own Michael Vick could learn a thing or two from his fellow NFC East quarterback. However, even after taking those 20 hits, Manning was able to scrape himself off the turf each time and finished the game with an impressive 316 yards on a 55.2 percent completion rate on 58 passing attempts.
While the statistics may not be out-of-this-world, Eli had arguably the best game of his career on Sunday. Against one of the league’s best defenses, Manning was able to take a beating and still deliver 32 completions and two touchdown strikes. After the stunning performance on Sunday, number 10 now has eight touchdowns and just one interception in three postseason games this year and 16 touchdowns to just five interceptions in his 10 career postseason games.
During the NFC Championship game, Manning passed the ball 58 times. Fifty-eight times. This number is the highest in Manning’s career and only the third time he has ever passed the ball more than 50 times. Against the league’s number one rush defense, Manning was forced to carry the load of his team and he was up to the task.
With Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, and Aldon Smith combining for six sacks, Manning’s task wasn’t an easy one. With his dirtiest jersey in years, Manning was sacked more times than he had been in 162 weeks, since his week 15 meeting against the Cowboys in the 2008 season when he was sacked eight times.
“He’s got a real sense of toughness about him and it’s demonstrated by the way he plays,” says head coach Tom Coughlin of his quarterback. On the Monday following the game, Manning said that basically he was fine and he had little more than a few “bumps and bruises.”
Manning’s zero turnovers also proved that his maturity and awareness of where defenders are has increased greatly since entering the post season. “We knew we had to come in here and not turn the ball over,” Manning said after the game. He did just that. Just as a bit of perspective, Michael Vick only achieved that feat in two games the entire season, and he missed three full games.
All of this being said, do you think Michael Vick could have led the Philadelphia Eagles to a win had they been matched against the 49ers in the NFC Championship? Vick has only started five playoff games as opposed to Eli’s ten. And while they both have three losses, Eli has seven wins as opposed to Vick’s two. All but one of Manning’s wins has come on the road as an away team or at a neutral site (Super Bowl XLII). On the road in the playoffs, Vick’s record is a sad 1-2, both losses at the hands of the Philadelphia Eagles while the lefthander was a member of the Atlanta Falcons.
To put it simply, after week 17, Eli Manning became a new quarterback. He is one of the most clutch quarterbacks in the game when it comes to playoff games. As much as Eagles fans hate to admit it, after Sunday’s game Eli may have just proved that he is elite.
Speaking of that punt return incident where the ball just barely hit Kyle Williams on the knee for an eventual Giants fumble recovery, can someone please tell me why players call for a fair catch and then hang around the ball? It absolutely boggles my mind why they don’t just run far and wide from the ball if they’re not going to actually catch it. It’s almost like they do it because they’re considering picking it up to run. Please, someone explain this to me because I see this week in and week out and it seems so stupid that it actually starts to piss me off.
Great Question!!
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These pro Eli articles are a disgrace. The 49ers dropped 3 easy picks Sunday. He played horrible and got lucky just like his superbowl game. When he needed to step up and carry his team this is what he did. 2nd half and ot. 4 punts, then a td from a fumble on the 29. 5 punts then a fg from a fumble on the 25. He didn’t take his offense past the 50!!!! Where is this great game your talking about. Look at what Vick, Brees, and Romo did to this defense and try and tell me that Sheli is a great qb. When will the media be honest about eli. He’s an average qb that has some crazy luck in his career. He’ll keep you in a game but he’ll never take over a game like the elite qbs do. Just cause his last name is Manning doesn’t mean hes an elite qb. Just stop with this nonsense.
Also eli threw more interceptions this year then Vick and eli threw the most interceptions in the league last year. He’s not good.
all these references to Vick and other quarterbacks, can Vick be like so and so, Vick is a ten year veteran with his established record of play, strengths, weaknesses, his play will not change substantially, the better question is can the eagles win with him, I say no
Ah G, how quickly you forget. 2010 turnover stats. Eli threw 25 picks and lost 5 fumbles in 16 games. That’s a whopping 1.875 turnovers per game. Vick was only intercepted 6 times and lost 3 fumbles in 12 games for an average of 0.75 turnovers per game. So, yes he can.
To BTC
Punt Returners calling for a Fair Catch will still attempt to Catch the Ball first
so as not to lose field postions.. If you call fair catch and get out of the way and the ball bounces another 10-15 years, The Offense will start their possesion from where the ball is downed and not where the fair catch was signaled from.. Punt Returners are taught to run up if you have to and catch the ball and do not let it hit the ground where bad bounces like this one can and do occur.. This Williams was not the regular Punt Retuner (Ginn Jr was out) and we’ve seen plenty of gaffes when putting inexperienced Return Guys out on SPecial Teams over the years..
My favourite line from the article.
“Even though he took 20 hits, got knocked down 12 times, and was sacked 6 times, Manning didn’t go to the press after the game and complain that somebody wasn’t doing their job.”
This after his pass-crazed coached called 65 passes and 25 runs. Something Reid would have been crucified for as “setting his QB up to fail”
Paulman, yeah, I realize that they try to catch the ball first to avoid bad field position so the ball doesn’t keep going backwards but once the decision was made by Williams to NOT catch the ball and let it bounce, he should have gotten as far away from the ball as possible. He stayed real close to the ball for reasons that nobody will ever know. These types of stupid moves don’t get enough attention in my opinion. I think it’s grounds to cut a player. I just simply don’t get why he would hover around the ball like that after he decided to let it bounce.
Vinnie, some good points but there are some stark differences in Coughlin’s decision to have Eli throw the ball that much versus Andy doing it with Vick. For one, Eli has proven to be an extremely durable QB over the years. Vick gets hurt in what seems like every other game and seems to be limping at some point in just about every game. Second, Eli is a far better passer than Vick and doesn’t turn the ball over nearly as much. So if I’m Tom Coughlin, I have a helluva lot more trust in Eli to throw the ball that much in those circumstances than Andy should with Vick. To top it off, Eli has a much better receiving corp than Vick does.
Hes not elite.. hes had a good year yes but hes not elite… peyton wasnt playing this year so he had no pressure he wasnt in his brothers shadow… imagine if peyton was in the nfc and eli in nfc? Omg peyton would have maybe the same amount of chips as brady if not more..
But you brought out good points GCOBB.. and i personally feel that though the eagles finished strong that they still would have loss in the wildcard round.. this team just had deficiencies and there would have been no way to mask them come playoff time, yes vick would have turned the ball over because in thes kind of games andy has no balance, he gets way too throw happy and alot of it is bc they fall behind early.. the defense this year adds to my decision bc they really were weak all year long and teams with good TEs would have torched us for our linebackers and safeties struggled not only stopping the run but esp right up the middle of the defense in the passing game.. so there are plenty of dynamics that would influence my decision to say that that Vick would have given the ball over a few times and it would have led to our loss in the wild card round..
The other thing about ELi (and other QBs ahead of Vick) is that they actuallt attempt to do what they’re told by their coaches.
Contrast Eli’s and Vicks last playoff games:
Eli asked to throw 65x. He was sacked 6x and scrambled 1x. So he threw the ball 89% of the time he was asked to. This is consistent with his yearly average of doing what he’s told 90% of the time.
COntrast this with Vick who does what he’s asked only 80% of the time. While I recognize that some of this is due to the oline etc, the fact of the matter is, that at least one out of every 5 passes called the WRs, TE, and Oline start a play they look behind them and Vick isn’t doing what he’s supposed to be doing. This is extremely frustrating for them. If you add in the amount of times (and I can’t get #s on this) thet he’s scrambling around before the throw (Its a substansial portion of the time), I can only imagine how difficult it is to be a WR on this team. And then we can add in the fact that Vick came in 19th in throwing accuracy. Honestly….what % of called passes get completed on this team? Well under 50%
Standing at line. Ball about to be snapped…what are the odds that the play called will actually happen? Well, guaranteed its less then 80%…and when we add in broken plays I would suggest its about 60% on this Eagles’ team. What is the % chance it will succeed as called? Less than 50% How can you coach that? How can you play that if you’re a WR?
OK, I’m supposed to run a quick hook…..turn around and….oh he’s on the other side of the field.
OK. Slant. Here we go….oh he’s scrambling
OK. Fly route. Go……..huff and puff….oh its over my head…..
OK. Deep in. Ok scrambling again…come back to the ball….wait, he’s now scrambling to the other side….I’ll block…oh wait he’s coming back!…..
Great move dumping a QB (5) that rarely turned the ball over & won a ton of playoff games for this Guy (7). We’re waaaay better off!!!!! Wow, I’m embarassed to be an Eagles fan of a team who was dumb enough to think Vick would be the future… Get ready fans, we’re one season ending injury away from a trainwreck… And no one has the nerve to report or state that moving Kolb or McNabb over Vick was a mistake… RUN THE DARN BALL!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!
Come on G seriously… Could Michael Vick have won that game, HELL YEAH he could have, even with 2 INT’s. How about that… Come on man let’s be honest, the 49ers are in the SB if not for 2 crucial Special Teams mistakes. Knee Gate and Fumble Gate, other than that they were going to take an L…. I caught that reference in the article to McNabb too, wow… really. Is that what we have come to. I don’t know the ages of this group of readers, but why is JAWS revered in Philly, even though his one SuperBowl appearance gave numbers like 18/38 1TD 3INTs 291yds, 27-10 Loss. But McNabb’s one that he took the team to, it was HIS fault and HIS alone. I guess misery really does love company. And for the record, the Great Eli Manning threw 25 INTs just last year. Not to knock him though, he does come up big in big playoff games… I’m not going to beat a dead horse with all the Vick nonsense…he’s here again this year, you can support YOUR QB or you can root against him, you choose Eagles fans. But if you find yourself rooting against him, i think you might want to question your loyalty to the Team.
ChuckRob – some outstanding points man – outstanding.
On the punt return – once a returner (or any person) on the recieving team signals either a valid or invalid fair catch signal, the return team can not advance the ball. The only reason anyone from the receiving team should be anywhere near the ball is that once it hits the ground and starts to roll, the ball is spotted where is is either 1) Dwoned by the Kicking team 2) recovered by the recieving team or 3) stops moving and it is clear neither team is going to down it (the ref blows it dead)
At all levels, the players are usually given a code word (fire, scramble ) something that suignals the return players to stop blocking and get clear –
why do pro players still want to hang out near the ball? Who knows – be on TV more –
in that case – P-man I think is right it looks like he was trying to come up and field it and it bounced right into him –
Interesting note on the fumble/no fumble late in the game – the refs nailed the call – as a ref – if a runner has been awarded a forward progress spot – the runner NEVER loses that forward progress spot unless he breaks free and you re-establish a new spot (think Vick being grabbed and spun (there is a spot) – but then he breaks away and runs back 10 yards on his own (new spot). The runner was clearly in the grasp of two tacklers being driven backwards (and he ended up going down) – so the forward progress spot was awarded – that is where he is entitled to the ball – you hear all kinds of ‘it came out before the whistle blew’ nonsense, but the reality is when the actual whistle is blown has nothing to do with when the down is over (unless it is inadvertant and thats a bad thing) – the ball is down by rule and the whistle is to let all others know the ball is dead by rule – so there is always a delay = but once the runner was wrapped up and being driven backwards and tackled, the play was over by rule – it doens’t matter if the runner is still fighting – or struggling – interesting ‘football’ play – I think the Peralta guy on Fox explained it very well – kind of like a ‘Tuck Rule’ play
This article sounds like straight jockriding. If I remember correctly wasn’t manning a turnover machine last year? and Vick wasnt.
Last year, After the monday night game with washington, people were talking about Vick as a league MVP.
Now he is a supposed to be a bum.
How quickly we forget how pathetic the protection was that he had.
Going back to the Green Bay Playoff game that started with Vick Getting blindsided on the first play. 2 weeks to prepare and you get your QB blindsided on the 1st play. Fast foward to the preseason after the playoff loss and the man is being told to stay in the pocket and is getting crushed.
There is no comparison to Andy passing 65 times to Coughlin passing 65 times. As the writer stated. It was only the 3rd time in the man’s career that he had pass more than 50 times.
When you have a coach who has no patience for the running game, the play action fake means nothing. When you have a coach who can’t coach a QB and his sorry WRs to recognize a blitz and turn their block heads and look for the ball, then you have a coach who gets his QB killed.
The Eagles Run Game Consist of…
The Eagles run the same stretch play.
The same fake up the middle, reverse to desean play.
The same shuffle pass on the goal line play.
There. Oh, left one out. The “no push up the middle” running play that always fails on 3rd and 1.
Predictable Andy Reid’s play calling has been saved in the past with a Running Donavan McNabb. When McNabb stopped running, he got a younger runner to take McNabbs place.
Kicked “deer in the headlights” Kolb to the curb. Added another mobile QB in Vince Young.
If playing like Eli, Brees or Brady is so great, why does Andy keep getting mobile QBs.
The Draft is full of statue Quarterbacks. The NFL has 32 clipboard holders and most of the are not mobile. Andy could get one (Kafta) and start him if he wanted to. One look at Kolb getting killed and the trade was already made in Andy’s mind. He was just waiting for things to unfold.
Eli is not an Elite QB. He is a good QB who has a great set of WRs. And he has a coach who believes in the running game.
The 49ers WRs were not getting any separation. Only the TE was getting separation. They should have kept running Alex Smith, until the Giants had to account for it, and take a player out of coverage. Smith is fast and could have killed the Giants with the treat of running. Then take off and stop and throw it down field.
Eli did nothing great to win the game. The 49ers gave him the ball over and over again and he could not put the game away. Even Aikman commented on getting only a few chances then realized both QBs were getting plenty of chances to win the game and it still went to overtime.
Vick has a strong arm and unmatched running ability for a QB. This type of QB would be unstoppable if the play calling is better.
As great as Tony Dorsett was, he was only about 180 pounds. So the cowboys only gave him about 20 touches a game. He always appeared fresh and could break it at any time in the game.
To many games went by when Brent Celek or the TE in general did not get enough catches. Why??? Because of our sorry offensive line he was being held in to block. Because we could not pick up a blitz, he was being held in to block.
Stop going for the home run ball to desean all the time and mix it up, and you could not stop all the weapons on the Eagles offense. Impatient Andy’s sorry predictable play calling is as much to blame for the Eagles offense sputtering as anything else.
You have to coach to the talent you have. Vick is a match-up nightmare to almost any linebacker, so teams started sending in more mobile safetys and cornerbacks to blitz him. That means I should have a match up advantage in the secondary if one of your best cover guys is blitzing the QB.
Desean is no where near a number 1 WR. He is gimmick guy. Put him in the slot and he causes all kinds of problems. Use Maclin as number 1 and Avant and Riley as your possession guys.
Limit Deseans touches as well as the times that Vick is exposed to getting hit.
When the Eagles blitze was ferocious, many teams simply started going with 3 step drops and quick release passes. As well as draws and screens. This kept the QB safe and upright.
Dallas blew us out 2 games in a row using this strategy. Wonder why Andy never adopted it for Vick, instead of Bombs Away.
Take what the defense gives you. It’s more that a cliche, it’s good coaching sense.
The Patriots began the game running the ball against the Eagles. All along knowing that the were going to open it up and go nuts passing the ball. But they stayed patient and made the Eagles respect the run. Then play actioned the eagles. Then kept them off balance the rest of the game.
Took their heart.
A team of punks on defense lead by a moron coordinator.
They need a McNasty at linebacker. And a head hunter in the secondary. You should always be “pissing in your pants” scared to go over the middle, when you play the Eagles.
Can you say Andre “Dirty” Waters? Ah the good old days. Reggie White and the QB flop. He did’nt sack the QB he flopped on him and tried to separte his shoulder.
Brandy has a sore shoulder. I would have my 3rd string linebacker knock him into the Victoria Secret runway show. Personal foul. Who cares. He could sit with his wife for the rest of the game.
Any way. Andy Reid is a bum. His BYU experiment failed. His shortcut style of football does not work in the Championship world. His boney WRs (pinkston and desean) eventually disappear. His undersized defense evenually gets trampled. Steamrolled.
He claims it’s his fault for not putting the players in a better position to win, but keeps comming back to coach the team again. If you are admitting that you are the problem, then the solution is to get rid of you.
Some NFL News
Raiders hire Dennis Allen (Former DC for the Broncos who interviewed for the EAgles DC Postion last year.)
Tampa Bay spurned by Oregon’s HC Kelly invites former Packer HC Mike SHerman for a 2nd INterview, I expect him to get the job and be nemaed as the next HC by the weekend
Indy Colts are interviewing 49ers Special Teams Coach Brad Seely who was Special teams Coach for the Eagles a few years back.. Seely is well-respected as HC material and would be reunited with new GM Grigson.
This move probably means that Coach MM will remain with the Eagles.
the only problem with that interpretation Navy is the exact same thing happened the week before….though this time the fumble was awarded.
Ryan Grant carried ball to the 45 and was wrapped up at the 45. During the ensuing wrestling match he was pushed backwards (at least to the 44) and during this action he was stripped. Ball went to the Giants.
Seems like the Giants benefitted from this same call both ways!
Ummm G Cobb, Vick has already done it!! Too many of you have short term memories or selective memories…How many INT’s did Eli throw last season? more in one season than Vick ever has! Eli had a down year last season, as Vick had a down year this season…Turnovers played a major role in what happened with the Eagles this season, no doubt..as did turnovers with the Giants last season..and with all of that said, the Great Eli didnt wrap up a playoff bid until the very last week of the season…Why? maybe because the defense started coming around…some of you cats just dont get that football is a team sport, if Giants D had not stepped up and been playing at their current level, do you beleive they would be going to the SB behind Eli’s arm alone?
Yojoe, are you that dumb? I was a bigger supporter for McNabb over Vick and was upset when McNabb was traded…But to see what has happened with McNabb since leaving the Eagles….? if you truly believe the Eagles are better off with McNabb over Vick I’m embarrassed for you!
Swirling Rumors going on down at Senior Week in Mobile….
Eagles Trade QB M Vick to the Miami Dolphins for Starting OLB Koa Misi and their 2nd Round Draft Pick in 2012 and 2nd Round Draft Pick in 2013
Eagles then Sign free-Agent Peyton Manning to reunite with OL Coach H Mudd and signs a 2 year Deal to not only bring a Championship to PHilly but to outplay his Brother Eli twice a Season and to keep Eli from making the Playoffs.
Vinnie – went and looked at the film of the fumble (Grant) – to me – clearly different plays – GRant cathces the pass – moving forward, making plays – going down going forward (vice being hit and stood up and driven back) and gets stripped as he is going down – just to make sure we are talking about the fumble where Grant gets talked after a pass and the Giants pick it up and take it down to the 5 yard line – yeah – the slow motion he is still diving forward (no progress spot)
was that the play?
All Realtalk…knew someone was going to write what you did….
The thing to look at is improvement. Eli has been on a constant and consistent curve upwards. Vick is stagnant – improving in some areas….
Here are Eli’s % ints thrown through his career……
4.6, 3.1, 3.4, 3.8, 2.1, 2.8, 4.6, 2.7. From 4 to 3 to 2. Yes, the 2010 number is an outlier, but overall the slope is trending down
Here’s Vick
2.7, 1.9, 3, 3.7, 3.4, 3.4, 1.6, 3.3 From 2 to 3 to 3 to 3 to….the slopeis trrending nowhere (actually up from the start of his career). The one outlier represents only the first half of 2010…over the second half he was rolling with his regular 3.5%) So side from the first half of 2010, the guy has been the exact same for the past 5 years. No improvement.
The same can be said for all the other metrics.
Touchdowns:
Eli 6, 26, 24, 24, 23, 21, 27, 31, 29….trending up!
Vick 2, 16, 4, 14, 15, 20, 21, 18….trending….well….up I guess…from 16 to 18 Hourah!!
Yrds
Eli 1000, 3762, 3244, 3336, 3238, 4021, 4002, 4933….up up up
Vick 785, 2936, 585, 2313, 2412, 2474, 3018, 3303…trending up but at a much slower slope. all the way up to 3000 yards….fantastic!
Comp %
Eli 48%, 52%, 57, 56, 60, 62, 62, 61…trending up….from 48 to 60+
Vick 44, 54, 50, 56, 55, 52, 46, 62, 59. Again improvement, but not as steep or consistent as Eli
Face it man. (And I hate to say that Eli is not a very good – maybe great QB. WIth that big bucket on his head he looks and seems like a hokey putz. I never thought after his first 3 years he would amount to anything…but here he is)
In all cases Eli has improved as a QB as a much faster rate than Vick. I don’t know how much longer you want to wait till Vick hists 62%, 35tds and 15 ints. At his current pace it should hapen around 2023.
BSM….you wrote:
“There is no comparison to Andy passing 65 times to Coughlin passing 65 times. As the writer stated. It was only the 3rd time in the man’s career that he had pass more than 50 times. ”
DO you know how many times Vick has had 50 pass attempts under Reid? Could you find that out for me, or should I just tell you……0.
Now….if you consider “called passes” instead of attempts, then the numbers change a bit.
I the last 2 years, Eli has been asked to pass more than 50x on 3 occasions. On 2 occasions the Giants called 49 passes. Over the same time period Vick has been asked to pass over 50 times…..wait for it…….3 times. The exact same as Eli.
Gee that must be a downer for you eh? Not exactly “there is no comparison….” ..when….it is exactly the same comparison.
As for, “ick has a strong arm and unmatched running ability for a QB. This type of QB would be unstoppable if the play calling is better. ” Then explain how Tarkenton, and Cunningham, and Vick always get stopped?
Navy. I’m pretty sure it was that play. Grant was going backwards when the ball came out…..I don’t see how the plaare different. But on another note. My only concern about the call is that I’ve seen that play been ruled a fumble a thousand times before and was suprised how quickly that whistle blew Sunday.
Vinnietheloss
Vick wasnt doing what he was supposed to do? what kind of bull is that.
Oh he was just supposed to stand in and take a sack.
Vinnie “The thing to look at is improvement. Eli has been on a constant and consistent curve upwards”
how is career high in INT’s last season an consistent improvement..the above comment you posted makes no sense…Ok so Eli threw for 4000 plus yards last season and completed 62% of his passes based on your stats, but threw a career high INT’s…Completion percentage really doesn’t mean a thing…
Also Shady, had how many TD’s this season? probably twice as much as the Giants RB’s combined….too much emphasis is put on QB TD’s…in my book a TD is TD regardless of who scores…its 7 points for the team…
your comparison also doesnt take in account that Vick was out of football for two seasons…Realistically thinking, wouldn’t you expect a player who was out of the league to have his bumps and bruises upon return.? I expect this past season, was an off year for Vick and expect a much better season in 2012…
I’m not going to argue with you about this, as I know your stance and we all know that Vick could throw for 400 yards and 8TD’s in one game and you wouldnt be impressed…
Its an outlier dumbass. Just like Vick’s low % was an outlier for him last year.
If you can’t look at the overlying trend in regards to their interception %age, and see that one is improving and the other is staying the same, then I can’t help you.
(of course you can see the trend, but you’re willfully ignoring it because to admit the truth would mean the Ron Mexico poster would have to come down and that might change the whole Newport News tough guy image you got going in your bedroom)
Man you’re the king of doubletalk.
Vick throws the ball too much which is bad (though untrue) but its because of Shady’s running that VIck’s passing numbers are low. Vick is throwing too much, but Shady’s running is taking away Vicks passing opportunities. Got it.
Of course this leads to another common, though confusing, arguement that is made on here all the time which goes….
“Vick’s passing numbers are shit because Reid is an idiot who calls too many passes”.
Good times. now just imagine if Vick actually did throw the ball as much as his quaterbacking comrades…..
RealTalk, you can’t pick out one stat, INTs, to determine whether or not Eli is improving every year. Eli is clearly improving every year; as much as I hate to admit it. I think most would agree that Michael Vick took multiples steps back this year compared to last.
I would still take Vick over Eli. Vick can at least make something happen when rushed…..Eli sees a pass rush and either takes the sack or throws it up to the high heavens.
I would still take Vick over Eli too but one thing i admire that eli and peyton and rodgers and brady can do is do a superb job of identifying blitzes and coverages.. teams are hesitent to blitz these guys the way they blitz Mike Vick bc there all very good at identifying what is happening and will make you pay… Vick still struggles with these things esp coverages, hes gotten much better against the blitz but not to the point where teams wont try to bring heat every down…
I forgot to mention, Drew Brees who is one of the very best in the league against the blitz and can literally decapitate your defense if you dont get to him…
Of course you would take Vick over Eli Birdo. You and Realtalk both. Throw Songs, Chuckrob and BSM in there and the 5 of you could have a nice little “We love Vick!” sleepover party. You could all bring your Vick bobbleheads, dress in your Vicky PJs (with the feet!), and spend all night up giggling and ranking his bestest most amazingiest ever scrambles. Isn’t he dreamy?
Vick over Eli. LOL (And I am not a little Eli fan – it does seem that he just chucks it up. He’s one of the most awkward looking QBs I’ve ever seen – and that giant bucket of his doesn’t help – but it isn’t just luck. He knows what he’s doing)
Another question….why (for you guys) is Reid wrong with his decisions about…well…about everything (from DC, to playcalling, to the LBs, to the DBs, to drafting the fireman….to everything) He’s an idiot at everything, and his decisons are incorrect on everything….except his choice of QB?? That one he got right. He made the right choice there.
I would not still take Vick. Yeah, he can make something happen for highlight reals… but what he cannot make happen is a football team win tough games because of discipline and smart football.
Making something happen doesn’t win superbowls. It never has.
Jon, how does a quarterback literally decapitate a defense?
Give me efficiency,ball security and good clock management any day over the big flashy play here and there and reckless play..
btc, in other words he will take the top off your defense. I gotta talk like a preschooler on here i see lol.. study your abc’s btc haha crack myself up lol..
Haha, I’m just messing with you Jon. Use of the term “literally” doesn’t really work the way you used it but I obviously got your point.
Paulman, amen brother.
Paul i agree, we need him to be less of a dare devil.. we dont need that every single down, we need a qb that will keep the drive going and not turn the ball over, pretty much a game manager… sometimes his natural ability gets the best of him and he goes back to the highlight reel vick and we dont need that all the time… you see the two qbs in the sb right now, two of the most unathletic guys in the league yet the can manger a game and take control of it.. thats what we need from vick
btc haha i know you did bro.. just busting ya chops2.. and i wrote literally for emphasis.. these guys are the real deal minus eli, he played good one year, the rest of the years were very average.. and lets not forget all the INTs he has gotten in previous years.. everyone gets so caught up in the moment that they forget what this guys has done in previous years… yes he has a SB, yes he plays well his some big games but lets not get carried away, hes been an INT machine for the majority of his career… and chill on Vick, this is going to be his first off season as the starter of the team, hes going to grow leaps and bounds…
comedian david cross has an amazing bit about incorrect usage of the term ‘literally’ – because when you use it incorrectly, you’re implying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it means. The gist involves “It was so funny, I litterally crapped my pants”…. dude was like “what did you do with your pants then?”… “no man, I didn’t LITERALLY crap my pants, I literally crapped my pants”.
But seriously JH, literally doesn’t imply emphasis, it implies the exact definition
Jon and schiller, funny you each make the points you did. I have used the term “literally” just as Jon did and one of my friends busted my balls about it so I did the same to Jon. But schiller is right, people (including myself) never use the term correctly.
it reminds me of when people incorrectly use the term ‘ignorant’ to mean that someone is rude or mean or a jerk. When it really means a lack of knowledge. It’s comically ironic because the misuser is ignorant of the meaning of ignorance.
Schiller, Relax dude, You come on here ready to correct everybody every single day, when do you give your own opinion about the team not based off of others comments? Never. Its not that serious guy chill
And schiller lives on gcobb.com and doesnt have a life, all he does is make remarks off of others comments… arent you like 50 something years old? Dont you have grandchildren to play with? Have you tried knitting? Get a hobby bruh
Haha, Jh getting all fussy. Jon – nice guesses but you’re clueless about me.
Hey Paulman, The Colts just hired Chuck Pagano as HC, what happen to your sources that told you MM was a done deal? your making yourself look bad, in case you dont remember saying it, i just so happened to find it and post it for you. I like how you talk about yourself in the third party.
paulman
January 20, 2012 – 1:01 pm
Paulman was all over it from the get go that Spags would not return to Philly
Paulman also stated that Coach MM will leave and become HC for the Colts, which I still believe will happen within the next week or so and probably take QB Coach Doug Pedersn and possibly even WR Coach D Culley with him
andrew – his sources stay in the same place they’ve always been – those voices inside his head ain’t going nowhere….
Comedian David Cross is a screamer.. I enjoy his comedy
Jon,
I know what you literally mean when you say, “and chill on Vick, this is going to be his first off season as the starter of the team, hes going to grow leaps and bounds…”
Why?
Are you really going to roll with the 1st offseason as a starter business? He is literally a 10 year pro, who has literally been on this team for 3 years now. He’s literally been the starter for 2 of them. That’s 2 full seasons as the starter. Again, this isn’t a rookie we’re talking about.
Would we be saying these things about any other veteran QB who’d been on the roster for 3 years and still ranked 19th in accuracy, 18tds, always hurt, can’t read D……..yada yada….?) No, we wouldn’t. We’d want him shipped outta town. But for some reason….not this guy.
I am literally getting tired of the calls to “just wait and see what he does next year!”. Because I’ve heard that every single year of his career. Especially from the media. I mean how many times have you heard that Vick is “special” Literally 10000 right? (he’s a special athlete, he’s a special talent, he’s a special….channlling my inner Jamie Dukes there…..) And yet he isn’t. Not even close to “special” – at least as a QB And every year he does the same things and every year people say, “look out for next season!” Its amazing really (and not at all unlike the Brett Favre love affair as he was setting Interception records at the end of the year, but still “Favre being Favre!”)
If Vick hadn’t been a first overall pick, I can guarantee we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
paul, it scares me when we have something in common…