The Eagles offense had a disappointing practice yesterday. In fact, for the last couple of days at this week’s workouts, the Birds’ offense has been sputtering. Some of it is understandable because the offense is always trailing the defense, but this still isn’t what they were expecting right now.
The wind was acting up yesterday, and it was affecting most of Michael Vick’s deep throws. DeSean Jackson beat cornerback Nmandi Asomugha by about ten yards, but Vick’s throw was over his head.
They’ve got to step it up, and they know it. Last week, Vick and the receivers had a couple of outstanding days, so there’s no question that they’re capable of putting up some big numbers, but it wasn’t happening yesterday.
On one play, Vick tried to throw a slant to Jeremy Maclin. Cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie read the route, and was all over Maclin when the ball arrived. He got his hand in there and batted the ball into the air. Birds defensive lineman Jason Babin picked the ball off.
On a couple other plays, Vick tried to throw the ball over a blitzing Asomugha and the cornerback promptly knocked the pass down on two plays. On one of the knockdowns Asomugha was coming from outside on another he was blitzing off the slot.
Vick did connect with Maclin on a long bomb. Number 18 went up and caught the ball over Rodgers-Cromartie.
The seat is so hot, that he has score marks on his @$$. It’s put up, or shut up time, big boy. No more scapegoats, fallguys, or excuses. SB, or bust. 14 years of Reid, is enough. Time for the next chapter, of the life of the Eagles. 1 year, to do it!
Anyone else get the feeling that Vick is simply just not good enough, smart enough, consistent enough to win a Championship.. I have my doubts about him playing at high level consistently over a course of a Season, He’s too up and down just like this Eagle Offense which I have more concenrs about then the Eagle Defense..
at LT with Bell , at FB with unproven Stan Havilli and and if Eagles sustain any injuries at the RB, TE or WR where DEpth again is unproven..
SORRY, wrong article! BWAHAHAHA!!! Caffeine OVERLOAD! 8D
The same two losers everytime, it never fails, go find another team to root for.
This is who you two needed for your qb, he would have taken you all the way to the Superbowl, just listen to how proud this fanbase is of him LOL LOL
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829d266b/article/kevin-kolb-booed-at-cardinals-fan-fest
peace, I’m far from a loser, bruh! Now the Eagles & the 76er’s, on the hand?!? I don’t root for other teams, like front running, bandwagon jumping, LIL BRON-BRON HART. BTW, what did I say thank got thong in your sphincter? I stated the obvious. Just when I thought you were on my side. LMFBO!!! Come on my man, lighten up. It ain’t that serious.
You’re right Dcar it really isn’t that serious, however, it gets kind of annoying that we as fans can never support our qb or team. I know I stand up a lot of Vick only because he is the most criticized. But sometimes it would be nice to hear a little support for Vick and the entire team. We cool DCar, sometimes it would be nice to hear a little support, that’s all I’m saying…………really
peace, I love this team & I am quite positive about this upcoming season. Even against my feelings towards Vick not being able to get it done, I still want them to win a SB. I’d be like a pig in slop if they did. But as I’ve stated many times, although I love my 4 teams, when criticism & ripping is warranted, I will not hold back. That doesn’t mean I don’t support them. Remember, the names on the roster & FO constantly change, the Eagles being ours doesn’t. My allegiance belongs to the team, not any one coach, or player. If I see changes that are warranted, I’m going to state it! Peace, peace. Have a good day. Off to some house repairs.
@Paulman, NO! I think you are making way too much out of workouts…This is when a player can work on things they are no accustom too, do things they possibly wouldnt do in the game…
Also, what comment would you be making if our offense was trampling the defense in workouts? That the defense is horrible and we won’t stop anybody correct? Fact is we may possibly have a top 3 defensive team this season! A player mentioned was Nnamdi, a player that is, what the 2nd highest paid player on the squad? or close to it? He should be doing work, we should be hearing his name, regardless who the QB is…and the way I look at it, I’m happy to hear that Nnamdi is doing good things on defense…
Honestly, its not really all about Vick! The use of Nnamdi blitzing at Vick is obviously a workout drill for the QB, utilizing Nnamdi’s length to disturb the QB, something that they appear to be working on…after all it is a workout…
But again, No! Vick will be fine and workouts are precisely that, workouts! The pads aren’t even on yet…
@Paulman…speaking of WR depth…Didnt the Eagles invite a WR to workouts? can’t remember his name, but I think he played on the Bucs last season, had a serious hamstring injury or something? cat was 6 foot 3 200plus pounds from what I recall reading, remember him also having some pretty impressive college numbers……I forget his name though…if anyone knows who I’m talking bout let me know…I can’t find the article I read earlier this week….
Real – one of three dudes they picked up for this OTA
Webber was signed after the draft last year by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers out of Arkansas Pine-Bluff. The 6-3, 220-pound Webber suffered a season-ending hamstring injury in the preseason. Webber was released by the Bucs in early May. In his senior season of college, Webber thrived under a new coaching staff to catch 101 passes for 1,429 yards and 10 touchdowns
thanks Navy…thats exactly who I was talking about…I hate when I forget things I should know, it irks me!
Would that be Jamel Hamler who is 6-2 200lbs that your talking about..
He’s a 2nd Year Player, not sure how they got him or where he played last year as of yet.. He played at Fresno State IN College , I look at his picture in ESPN and he resembles a little like a young Randy Moss .. Check it out …
yea Paulman, Hamler played on the Broncos, I think we signed him part way through this past season…
Webber is the guy that we picked up this week for workouts…Hes about 30 pounds heavier than Hamler, but I dont think he is a quick
He’s not Championship caliber but in 10′ he had us 30 yards away from beating the Champs?Made a bad throw that maybe the wide shoulda made a play on in the air.
You guys know next to nothing just like the rest of us about his mental and his ability to get it done. Lets wait and see….some of you guys are so full of yourself and your supposed insight you just sound like a no it all.
Everyone has the internet and can read the same media notes.Lets wait until the Browns game or maybe the second pre-season game the startes are palying before we say theres no way he can get it done.
How do you judge a qb with no full contact blocking? Football knowledge!!Come on!!
I have no problem with people calling Vick out. Happened all the time with Mcnabb, and Mcnabb was a MUCH better qb. Vick needs to keep his mouth shut and step up this season. Play from the pocket, thats the way the positioned was designed to be played from.
Thanks for the report G but save the hysteria for training camp.
If we have a strong offense and strong defense going against each other one of them will look bad on each play.
GO BIRDS!!
Playoff game vs the Packers was over at halftime 17-3
Packers took the pedal off the metal in playing against Coach AR as many teams do when they are up against him..
Cardinals did the same thing in NFC Championship Game which was also over at half-time even though everyone keeps saying if Kevin Curtis only catches that pass.. Eagles were outplayed/outcoached in both games and did not deserve to win either game which is what happened ..
okay paulman, I guess then you turned the game off and didn’t watch the birds almost pull it out, wtf
I watched the games Jake and saw the final score and said to myself, “there’s another missed opportunity”.. Why bother rehashing past failures..it has little to no relevance to the upcoming 2012 Season
It has total relevance….the Packers took there foot of the pedal? Huh!!? They almost lost and were sacked in there final drive..trying to score to keep the birds outta reach…a touch wins the game.They were contining to pass.Therefore they were not gearing down.Cards almost lost too…they drove the ball and scored on there final drive..passing….how is that gearing down?
If your stating he has no c-ship ability and then someone uses p-off games to say he is capable of doing it then why not rehash?He made tons of plays in that game to prove hes ready. Defense needs a good year and lean on 25.
The real concerns for the eagles offense is that they don’t have a back up quarterback, this is th crap that frustrates the fans, with everything they have done right, they always have a glaring weakness at a piviotal position(s), and this year it’s the qb, Garcia is available, even Mcnabb would be better than what is in place now, they must get a back up qb or forget about it
Really Jake – you are more concerned with the back-up Qb then how Bell will do, more concerned about the back-up Qb then improving the red zone O, more concerned about the back-up QB then the pass to run ratio, more concerned about the back up QB then reducing our turnovers, more concerned abou the back up QB then getting Vick to play SMARTER… so one of your solution sis to start a media circus with bringing McNabb back.. from a pure, vanilla, life in a bubble scenario – not a bad choice, but we don;t live in that bubble or Garcia – becuiase in 2006 (yes SIX – we are getting old) he had a good year as the Philly back up? 2007 with the bucs – good year – ended up 2008 3rd string – 2009 back up in philly (no passes) 2010 – he was in the UFL – he had a 60 rating in the UFL… didn;t play in 11… I have this image of the Colts signing Kerry Collins… Kafka played decently.. if you bring in a vet – you cut both Edwards (will happen anyway) and Kafka.. and keep that vet and Foles
The QB position is fine…I have full confidence that if Vick goes down for a few games we’ll lose as planned. There’s nothing to see here guys….Andy knows what he’s doing and have been doing it for almost 15 years. Don’t forget he’s the same guy who told us a few years back when we first got Vick that you can’t have too many good QB’s with McNabb still on the team with garbage ass Kolb. Now, we have Vick, the stall worth Edwards, and fierce competitor Kafka.
7-9
Then the Eagles will look to upgrade the safety and backup position next year.
SUCKERS!!!!!
You’re being played like a kid lured by Sandusky in an alley around the corner from a daycare center, with a string attached to a lollipop.
We always have next year.
Yes navy
DDcar- I know you hate me but I agree with a lot of your views.
I love you too dcar, your rants drive me to read fifty shades of grey, me so horny ……
DDcar is like the Judge Judy of Gcobb.com.
Hahahaha LOL! Songs strikes once again.. #Classic haha..
That’s reverend songs to you John hart
Jake – if that is your biggest worry with the O – then you are good to go with this team little fella – glad you onboard with the team and expecting big things
2 Comments:
1. The score of the Packers-Eagles game was 14-3 at the half, not 17-3. Rodgers was efficient, 18-27, 3 TDs, but only 180 yds. The Eagles- D couldn’t stop Starks to save their lives in the first half, but adjusted and played well the second half. You can blame Akers 2 missed field goals killed us, but we didn’t get passed the 50 until 10 min into the 2nd quarter. Both the O and D were asleep at the wheel the first half.
2. Backup QB “Controversy”
As Eagles during the Andy Reid era I think we have been a little spoiled with our backup QB successes. Detmer, Garcia and Feely come to mind as guys who stepped up when their team needed them most and were able to come through with some valuable W’s, but those successes have been more the exception to the rule as was clearly displayed last year with he who shall not be named. Without launching into a statistical diatribe I would only ask for any suggestions on who the Eagles should go or gone after in FA for this to be a non-issue in your minds?
yeah Jon – that was classic fuckin moron Songs… classic stupidity, classic display of his lack of history and football knowledge, trying to think he is cute and funny, sand once again proving he is not just A horse’s ass – but THE horse’s ass –
see while he is busting on Kolb – he forgets to mention that Kolb won a couple Offensive player of the week awards as a back up – he forgets that becuase he sooooo freakin concerned that Kolb was drafted to replace McNabb he can;t stop shitting all over himself to realize that Kolb in his first start as a backup threw for almost 400 yards – but see the eagles haven’t won a super bowl, so nothing else matters cause songs is a tough guy..
but only songs will sit around and bust on a player that was drafted in the second round – and then traded a coupl eyears later for another 2nd rounder – a pro bowl CB and I think a 4rth rounder got worked in there – but that is classic songs.. why look for anything positive when you can be a jackass..
lose as planned – again – CLASSIC Songs – really – I would be willing to wager a fair sum that Andy Reid probaly has one of the best winning percentages of any HC when it comes to having to start or use his back up QB.. ask Indy how easy it is to start a back up – ask Texas… But the eagles have not only used back ups, but been successful a couple years – Aj Feeley? Koy Detmer? Jeff Garcia? Didn;t Vince Young beat the Giants? Now did Kafka play so bad against the Falcons last year or was that the D and Maclin that couldn;t hold the ball..So see Songs may be a total jackass that doesn’t rememeber any of this shit actually happens in the NFL – but yeah andy has been around for 15 years and yeha – he has won a lot of games with a back up.. but hey, what fun would it be if the class ass clown didn;t get a chance to be the class ass clown.. I mean Trent Edwards… really, is there one person on this board who think Trent Edwards is anyhting more then an extra camp body?? But Songs seems to have moved on from his Chad Hall oral fixation to Trent Edwards..
So Songs the whole lollipop thing – sounds too well thought out – did that happen to you or did you do that to others…. I mean you are priceless – only you can compare not liking the eagles second string QB (though honestly the 2 people you mentioned bring ZERO to the table – but you seem to have this fascination with how good someone was 6 years ago) with one of the biggest sex scandals in sports – yeah – they are almost the same thing – you stupid fuck
mryan…do you have confidence in an Juan Castillo ran defense if our QB goes down?
mryan – good thoughts – I was busy ranting at songs..
oh there it was CLASSIC bitch Songs – gets it blown up in his face that he is talking pure BULLSHIT again and immediatley goes into tap dancing, bullshit EXCUSE making – lets change the question..
fuck you songs – you siad the eagles back up sucked, and that reid didn;t know how to pick back ups and two seperate posters called you BULLSHIT
and yes Songs – I do – why 1) I know a hell of a lot more about football then you do 2) I am not a bitch 3) I know players and coaches get better with experince 4) Washburn and Bowles are two fo the best in the biz 5) and most improtantly – I don;t think the O will turn the ball over a record number of times! 6) Depth of D Line – additions of Cox and Curry 7) More depth at slot CB 8) Better special teams… I can keep going.. but then I have a clue
you need any other lesson today or are you moving on to the next bitch
Songs, not an unfair question
Lets take a look at the 3 games VY started last year. To judge I will compare the points allowed in each game against the opponents 2011 average points/game. My reasoning behind the comparison is that holding an offense to below their AVG P/G gives us a good benchmark of sucess vs. the opponent offense’s potency or lack there of.
VY 3-starts last yr:
NY 17-10 (W): Overall great game by the D. Held NY to 14.6 P fewer then their 2011 P/G average (24.6)
NE 20-38 (L): Not a great game by the defense allowing the Pats 5.9 points over their P/G average(32.1)
SEA 14-31 (L): Terrible game by D allowing the seahawks 10.9 points over their P/G average (20.1)
We saw a great display by the D against NY and a pathetic display against SEA. The defense should have played better against NE, even though they were lighting every team up.
Conclusion: The Eagles D did not step up like it needed to in games with our backup QB under center.
Silver lining commentary on our 4 “Fool’s Gold” wins. The Eagles D markedly improved over the last 4 games using the same comparison holding all 4 opponents under their 2011 P/G avg. (sidenote: both the Cowboys and Jets were still in the playoff hunt prior to our matchups)
Game – Score – P/G Average – Variance
Miami: 26-10(W) 20.6 P/G (-10.6)
NYJ: 45-19 (W) 23.6 P/G (-4.6)
DAL: 20-7 (W) 23.1 P/G (-16.1)
WAS: 34-10 (W) 18 P/G (-8)
There’s an omission in your analysis Mryan.
Against NE the Eagles O was terrible in the first half. 2 first downs in the first Q. 2nd Q was more of the same…or worse.. 1st play an int that led to a NE TD (there’s your 5 pts over avg perhaps)
The Seattle game cannot be put on the D. FIrst off it was a Thursday game on the west coast after a late Sunday game. So that’s pretty much an automatic loss anyway. (This is the NFLs current “dirty little secret” – the incredible competitive advantage having a home Thursday game results in a W about .250 higher than reg home games, but I digress) Vince young was horrible in the Seattle with 4 first downs in the first half, and 4 interceptions in the game…Seattle scoring 17 of their 31 directly off VYs foibles (including a pick-6)
I wouldn’t be so hasty putting the fact that Seattle scored over their average on the Eagles’ D.
You can’t ask the Eagles’ D to “step up” when its the other team’s D running the ball into the endzone.
Vinnie
1. Offensive turnovers are a fact of life. Unfortunately, this is more of a concern a backup QB under center and the Defense is asked to shoulder more of the load hence the question: Did the Eagles D step up their play w a backup QB under center? Therefore, offensive troubles that did not directly result in PA are for this case irrelevant.
2. The only VY int in the NE game resulted in a missed NE field goal (0pts) They scored the TD on the following possession so the analysis stands (ahem…lawyered)
3. I will 100% agree with you on the pick-6 (complete oversight) and when 7pts are removed from the previous Seattle total of +10.9 the total is +3.9 over their season p/g avg. Of the 4 INT he who shall not be named threw in that game only 1 resulted in the defense being left w a short field (30 yd line in Eagle territory) and the Eagles gave up a TD on the ensuing possession. The D still allowed TD drives of 60, 88 and 30 yds respectively and could have put up more if they hadn’t kneeled on the Eagles 1 to end the game.
The point of the exercise was to encourage some thoughtful dialogue and I appreciate Vinnie’s input. All comments are in good fun
As I pointed out I don’t think the D was getting the credit it deserves for the final 4 games and they put on a clinic w VY under center against the Giants in WK 11.
the problem mryan is songs lives in a world where if some data point doesn;t fit in his tidy little hissy fit – he throws the data out. This is a totally acceptable statistical approach – the data point is called an outlier.. the problem is songs had declared a quarter of the season ‘an outlier’ so basically – to make his argument, he dismisses the parts that don;t fit his argument –
the interesting thing about songs is when those games fit into his neat little argument, he will bring them back and use them.. if this were any type of ‘real’ analysis – songs would be mocked, laughed at, and dismissed as an idiot.. wait..
but you let yourself get sucked into songs’s little game – the one where he makes a totally assnine comment (I realize thats just about every comment he makes) and then when he is proven to be an idiot (again, not hard) he changes the question.. the fact of the matter is in terms of back up QBs, the eagles have had a great deal of success.. again, Detmer, Feeley, and Garcia – name another playoff caliber team that has lost there starting QB in several different seasons yet still progrssed to playoffs..
hahaha naaa not sucked in, just bored and there are so very few of us consistently up at this hour.
The most recent to come to mind is Cassell, but they got jobbed out of the playoffs with an 11-5 record.
Older:
– Warner led the Rams to a SB win in 99 after Green tore up his knee his knee in preseason
– Morall for Johnny U took Colts the to SB III where they lost to Broadway Joe and the Jets
And who could forget most hated of all… Jim Plunkett picking our boys apart with the Raiders in 80
These are of course the exceptions to the rule..one need look no further than poor TJ Yates last year (2-3 reg season, 1-1 playoffs)….haha just realized he has as many playoff wins as Romo
Question: Does it count as drinking alone if one is in dialogue on an Gcobb board?
EaglesSuck, I don’t hate you. Just your teams & city. LOL!!
Jake, 50 shades of grey? You’re a sick bastard! ROFL!!!
Yawn. They fail to mention the great equalizer to a sputtering offense when the pads go on. Hes called Shady McCoy. In real game situations a good running game opens up a whole lot of shit. Its kind of unfair when all the defense has to do is play the pass. When they do run they just have to tap the running back to call him down.
What’s Vick’s PLayoff Record since he’s been an Eagle ???
Paulman come on not from you, His playoff record is comparable to Romos and Matty Ice’s. He lost to Rogers and the superbowl winning Packers in thier hardest game in the Playoffs that year. I mean there are alot of QBs that have won playoff games that arent very good. Who was that Seattle QB that beat Drew Brees. Just b/c Dilfer won a SB doesnt make him a better QB than a Marino does it? Theres alot of factors that must be weighed. But I understand he must win something this year.
Paul , if you want to qualify his playoff record to only 1 team then you have to compare the population to the same standard. AS AN EAGLE he has 0 wins, but has only started for 2 full seasons.
Eli was 0-1 after 2.5 seasons as a starter for NY (2004-2006)
Romo was 0-2 after his first 2 seasons as a starter for DAL(2006-2007)
Peyton was 0-2 in the playoffs in his first 3 seasons.
But Sanchez was 4-2 in his first first 2 yrs as a starter…
What does this tell us? Next to nothing? Then why are we only looking at 2 yrs instead of a career playoff record? Because Paul had to make a Songs-esque comment and poke the hungover sarcastic bear.
What is Vick’s CArrer Playoff record Mryan..
That would be 2-3