Former Eagles quarterback and current ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski rates current Birds quarterback Michael Vick as the 12th best quarterback in the NFL. Jaws has been rating the top 32 NFL quarterbacks for ESPN’s Sportscenter. This can’t make Vick happy, but Jaws did emphasize that this could be a big year for the former number one overall pick in the NFL draft.
Jaworski graded Vick number 14 mainly because of his 2011 performance which included 18 touchdown passes and 14 interceptions. The Eagles finished with a 8-8 record and didn’t make the playoffs. Vick and the Birds offense struggled in the turnover category and had major problems scoring in the red zone.
The other major reason the former Eagles quarterback rated Vick so low was his inability to stay healthy for an entire season. Last year back up quarterback Vince Young started three games because of Vick’s injuries and the Birds lost two of them.
“The issue I have always had with Vick has been his willingness to run, to play the position outside of the pocket, outside of the structure of the offense,” Jaworski said. “There’s no question he’ll always make plays, but he also leaves throws on the field.”
In the end Jaws says Vick can be a classic pocket quarterback if he will focus on that area of his game and stay away from trying to make highlights with his scrambling.
“Vick has shown he is capable of throwing the ball exceptionally well from the pocket,” Jaworski said. “His overall throwing skill set can be top five in the league. His objective in 2012 must be to play that way more often. It becomes an availability issue. You can’t be an elite NFL quarterback if you can’t be counted on every single week.”
I think Jaws ranking is pretty fair and on spot as of today…
My own list based upon pure QB tangibles/intangibles.
1: AR
2: Brees
3: Brady
4: Big Ben
5: Eli
6: Stafford
7: Rivers
8: Cutler
9: Romo
10: Newton
* P. Manning
12: Vick
*P. Manning, based upon the last time i saw him pay, I would take over Vick presently. However, I need to see him play before I say how high he goes on the list. I think he will actually play well this year for being out for the year (don’t know about his weapons tho) and be ranked somewhere in the 7-9 range after the season.
ON pure QB physical ability Stafford and Cutler could be 1-2 on this list. They just need to stay healthy and get better mentally which is why i couldn’t put them over some SB winning Qbs.
Jaws has Cam Newton at #15 which is pretty amazing since he was a day ! Starter in his Rookie Season with no Summer OTA’s last year playong on a Team with brand new coaching staff and WR Steve Smith and bunch of new TE’s & WR’s.. Figuring that Vick is a 10 Year Vet means that C Newton is unbelievable or that M Vick is just not a very good QB (Or Elite anyways) and it’s probably a combination of both.. Vick’s career is at Stake as is the Eagles Future based on what Vick does in 201. There are no more excuses for him or Coach Ar in my opinion…
Did either of you (including G.Cobb) read Jaw’s ranking, he actually ranked Vick at #12, Cam Newton #14. @Paulman who told you that Vick’s future with the Eagles is based on what he does in 2012, you people, need to quit trying to make up shit, and pretending you are running the Eagles front office.
Well I guess they don’t drug test at your place of employment, or you just feel like we are all illiterate and can’t read anything he is ranked #12 not 14. As far as what you think of Mike it is always the same old bull. I guess you loser forgot Jay Cutler did not make the playoff and has been injured every year he has been in Chicago, this is the first year Matthew Statford stayed healthy and Cam Newton was 6-12 playing a full season. Payton Manning was not only injured but did not take one snap. It is the same old garbage for you Cobb, you are not only clueless but you can’t even get your lies straight, next time investigate or learn how to read before you write your fiction. You are a joke to say the least!
JMT, Im not sure if that was addressed to me but if it was, your post is just simply stupid. My stance on Vick has always been that I don’t love him or hate him. He is what he is to me which is a good QB compared to the NFL competition, which is evident by me ranking him 12 overall.
I said Cutler and Stafford could be 1-2 on pure physical tools. Anybody that has watched them would agree…they probably have the best arms you could ask for in the entire NFL. Cutler has basically missed time once in his career which was last year (was playing great btw up to that injury)…so i dont know what you are talking about there…STafford has been hurt but like i said if he stayed healthy he could easily be up there at the top. 5000 plus yards and 40 plus TDS is what he is capable of doing and honestly Vick wouldn’t even get close to those numbers in a single season. PLain and simple.
If you are really an Fan of the Eagles team, then you would take Stafford, Cutler, or NEwton over Vick in a heartbeat as of today. However, based on the logic you have shown you are a Fan of Vick more…probably from VA or something and he is your hometown hero maybe…if Vick got traded tmrw my guess is you would probably be following a new team.
Vick really should be top 6 or 7 simply because where Jawarski put him he’s behind the likes of Phillip Rivers, even probably Shaun Hill and younger guys that really haven’t accumulated stats at the pinnacle of NFL play over YEARS of time. One mediocre season after an incredible season, with his resume should not put him in the middle to the bottom of the pack of QBs.
Speaking of former Eagles QBs. Donovan McNabb has made it clear that he’s fine with being a back-up. If the Eagles want to solidify their back-up situation they ought to call him ASAP. Edwards has already been pegged as a no-go by most journalists that have seen him (probably worse that Vince Young) Kafka might be good as a 3rd string player, but I can’t really see much more and Foles can go to the practice squad.
What the hell have Phillip Rivers done?
Tony freakin Romo?
You guys can’t tell me this is not a racist league when it comes to the QB position.
If these guys were black you think they would have been mentioned over Mike Vick?
I look at how the fan base here speak of McNabb who is the best QB the Eagles have ever had….and compare that to how the Buffalo fans revere Jim Kelly who never won a SB.
I look at the garbage we have on this team behind Vick and see fans who would rather have nothing to backup Vick when Mcnabb would clearly be a better option with his grasp of the offense.
There’s a double standard all the way around and now garbage ass Jaworski who lost his job to the great Randall Cunningham now is placing failures over Vick for no reason.
Hell, the philly fans are more endeared to Jaws more than Randall Cunningham & Mcnabb!
look at that.
Vinny “freakin won nothing” Testaverde kept a jon into his 40’s as a backup yet fans here are making lame ass excuses to why Mcnabb would be a bad idea.
Trent Edwards is a bad idea …Mike no arm Kafka is a bad idea.
Who cares if it’s a media circus?
The last time we had a media circus with reporters packed at Lehigh we went to the Superbowl.
Get Mcnabb in here because he’s the best option in this offense if Vick goes down.
Vick may go do for a few games with his track record on injuries, so if were trying to win then let’s get the best option available to back up the most important position on the team.
Tony Romo = 4,184 yds 31 TD’s 10 Int
Phil rivers = 4,624 yds 27 TD’s 20 Int
Mike Vick = 3,303 yds 18 TD’s 14 Int
Neither of the 3 have won anything so camparison is based solely on the numbers
And with 9 to 13 more TD’s along with 800 to 1300 more yards passing
It ain’t racist It’s Math
Gotta Luv It, your making to much sense to some of these guys. IN fact, the only people that are clearly racists are those who are bringing color into the argument when it really has no place.
What has Rivers done? he has been just as far as Vick in terms of going deep into the playoffs. And he did it on a torn ACL and a with a HOF Rb that quit on the team caring more about himself. He has better numbers than Vick= simply better. Further, Rivers has played in the AFC where you had “golden Standards” of the NFL. Steelers, Colts, and PAts…lets be real man nothing compared to what the Birds had to go through…yea the Cards and Bucs are real gold standards too give me a fucking break..
I hate Romo mroe than any NFL player in the league. But when you look at the numbers he is much better than Vick. plain and simple i dont know what the big deal is, it is what it is, be a grown ass man and just accept it. And like i said Vick, based on his career stats, would never be able to touch Staffords season from last year..its just the truth..i wish i was wrong but its just reality.
songs, why get all jacked up about one man’s opinion, jaworski, his opinion worth no more, less than your opinion, but i agree with his opinion and vermeil’s …….the problem with a running quarterback is that he is a running quarterback
Songs, you’re a moron bro. Are you really playing the racist card right now? Get the f out here with that shit. Keep in mind there are very few black quarterbacks in the league to begin with. Also, you ask what the hell has Tony Romo and Phillip Rivers done; well, what the hell has Mike Vick done? He was stellar in 2010 but was absolutely dreadful last year. Talk about costly turnovers in game changing situations. That’s not what elite qbs do. Couple that with the fact that all of the QBs ranked above him typically play 16 games a year whereas Vick is guaranteed to miss about 25% of the season. I don’t think you can argue with Jaws’ ranking of Vick. Cam Newton is probably only as low as he is because he’s only been in the league for one year and it’s hard to rank him over other veterans with such a small sample size.
Jake …yeah its just his opinion but here is the difference between his, yours, songs and mine…
He actually has access and more resources available to form a more “educated” opinion..Hence this statement ““I charted all of Vick’s snaps last season,” Jaworski said. “He was taken to the ground more than 11 times per game.”
And no one on here except maybe Vinnie had that type of info on Vick
And I say that because very few on here back up their opinions with facts
I am not sure where I would rank Vick at this point. But I have said often that I think 2010 was an aberation. And I also think that last year was a fluke as well. Vick is never going to be as good as he was in 2010 for SIX games ever again. It only took a couple months for D coordinators to be able to effectively game plan against him and then his stellar season came to an unceremonious end. He was dreadful in his last two games against Minn and GB.
Now regarding last year, Vick is also not as bad as those numbers look. He was particularly poor in the 1-4 start, but the O line was not very good yet at that point. Once the line gelled Vick was solid. If you look at Vick’s numbers after the 1-4 start, I think that is about what he is. Somewhere between 2010 and 2011. I project he will start 14 games, throw for around 3700 yards, with 25 TDs and 12 picks. The biggest thing he needs to do is protect the football when he runs. He fumbles too much and that is easily correctable. If I were Andy I would literally bench him for a series every time he goes past the line of scrimmage and does not tuck the ball.
I agree jbirf..
I expect that Vick will be somewhere between his great 2010 Season and his disappointing 2011 Season but he did play much better towards the end of the Season.. I think his Stats may not be as good (as far as yards thrown, Td Pases,QB Ratings, but if he plays smart ball and protects himself and the ball and limits Turnovers and Negative Plays, then the Eagles should be fine Offensively, Get the ball out to playmakers will bethe key and not Vick trying to play Superman every game on every play..
Vick stinks. Eagles need a QB bad!
mhenski, from what I hear you ain’t spelling too good with, Eagles have a QB what what they don’t need is fans like you
peace112… you are by far the biggest tool I have come across on this web site.
have a good day
Peace are you intellectually challenged?
#1 you don’t know how to write a sentence
#2 you don’t how to make a point
#3 you don’t know how to use a comma
Can you rewrite your post in a way a non intellectually challenged could comprehend what you meant. The following does not make any sense:
#1 from what I hear you ain’t spelling too good with
#2 Eagles have a QB what what they don’t need is fans like you
Peace are you intellectually challenged?
#1 you don’t know how to write a sentence
#2 you don’t know how to make a point
#3 you don’t know how to use a comma
Can you rewrite your post in a way a non intellectually challenged could comprehend what you meant. The following does not make any sense:
#1 from what I hear you ain’t spelling too good with
#2 Eagles have a QB what what they don’t need is fans like you
I’m not absolutely sure it’s all racism with McNabb or Cunningham, but it plays a role. I mean Kafka, Edward or Knowles…knowing Vick generally misses 4-6 games even when playing almost exclusively from the pocket? The team is filling a lot of holes, but it’s all for naught if the don’t fill the most critical holes.
The big thing that both McNabb and Cunningham have in common that Philly fans don’t like is that they both are not “Working Class” type guys. Fans tend to think, I gather, that they are the type of people that look down their noses at working class guys. Is that accurate? I doubt it, nevertheless that’s the perception a lot of people have of the two most sterling Eagles QBs of all time and it’s pretty screwed up. There is no other fanbase that, in part or as a whole that has as many individuals that despise the franchises historically best QBs.
Even when when you consider guys like Mike Schmidt and Pete Rose, fans of that era love those guys despite the fact that every normal person that has met either in person has confirmed that they are complete pompous jerks. Both of them are guys that really will look down their noses at you and depending on the situation will act like they in a room infested with the ebola virus if they have to be in any space with normal people for too long.
Which part is racism and which part is poor perception I don’t know, but both are undeniably mixed in when talking about either McNabb or Cunningham.
“like they ‘are’ in a”
Still wish there was an edit button.
Frank22, tool you are indeed, and I’m sure you spend a lot if not all of your time on websites, and you’re proud of that……………..
Now you have an even better day
mhenski, what was so hard for you to understand about that. You said Vick stinks, I in return said you weren’t smelling to good yourself….. you understood that didn’t you. Can’t take insults, try not passing them out. You fools are hilarious, when you get called out, your immediate response always has something to do with grammar. LOL “what what they don’t need fans like you” well sounds like a typo to me, but then you got the point, and as far as I am concerned that’s all that matters.
No I did not understand anything you wrote. You told me I am not spelling to good, now you are saying I am not smelling to good. I don’t get it either way you phrase, sorry I don’t speak retard.
Now I get your main point which correct me if I am wrong was ‘the ealges, dont need, fans like, me, who, think, the eagles are, a very talented, team except, for, their, quarterback,
Yes peace… It seems that you are on the same web site that I am..
Huh??
And I should add if that was your point, you are right! What organization wouldn’t want a fan base of clueless, loyalists who are not critical of their moves and players and just applaud everytime they put up the applaud sign.
Frank I agree for the moment we are on the same website, the difference is I don’t make this site my home…………..
@mhenski, hey don’t try flipping the script now. You wouldn’t by any chance be calling yourself a “loyalist, I can understand you calling yourself clueless, but loyalist………………I don’t think so.
Ok I’m clueless. Mike Vick is one of the best qbs in the league and is a proven winner. Thanks for showing me the light.
@Mhenski, you’re more than welcomed.
I love being welcomed, being unwelcomed is always fun.
ruben amaro doing some serious spin control, on both wip and missanelli’s show talking up the moves he’s made, sounds alot like banner in the old days, damn. where did 102 wins go so quickly
Your home ehh? That is very brazzin trash talk that is very hurtful to my emotional well being.. I am quite worried that you think people can live on the internets.
Im not big on the race card but it has always played a factor in judging Qb’s. with that being said opinion is opinion Vick being ranked 12 is not far off or far fetched. i dont see how jake bad throw Cutler could be ahead of him, that part i believe is what songs is reffering. if it was a black QB throwing ints left and right not living up to promise he would be out. jeff george may have got a call last year to come back and play and Culpeper cant even get a back up job. kordell Stewart took his team deep in the playoofs and almost won league MVP and the next year was replaced by Tommy Maddox. Am i saying Kordell was a world beater? no but if he was a good old boy he would have plenty of time to correct his mistakes or they wouldnt be all his fault. Mcnabb yes i hate his personality but seriously who were the eagles before him? yet he was the reason we never got one instead of mostly the reason we made it to those games in the first place. its like no game was a big game unless the eagles lost then he cant win a big game. look at Romo major choke after major choke forget NFC tittle he has won one playoff game yet every year i must hear about what he is gonna do. Peyton Manning is a horrible playoff QB the same year the Eagles lost to the Pats Peyton didnt put up a single point on that same D yet Mcnabb is a choke smh lol
btc24 the rankins are suposed to be based off of last year if so Cam has to go higher possibly over Vick. if they are not Vick has done way more than Roho I mean Romo for sure. If Romo walked into Green Bay and won when nobody had ever won we would still be hearing about it.
“if it was a black QB throwing ints left and right not living up to promise he would be out.” is an interesting line.
Here are 4 QBs. One is a “superstar” and the other two are considered complete shitters qho bounced around from team to team over their careers. Fans groaned when they signed with their team. My question is why is one of them still a superstar?
starts comp att % yrds tds td% ints int%
92 1422 2538 56% 17912 111 4.4% 72 2.8%
92 1351 2264 59.7 14443 65 2.9 71 3.1%
81 1424 2528 56% 14693 79 3.1% 85 3.3%
99 1301 2346 55% 15692 95 4% 81 3.5%
The only area where Vick is superior is TDs thrown. He’s thrown 16 more than the incomperable the next guy on the list.. Vick dies have a lower int % than the other 3, but if you take out the 6 games where he didn’t throw one in 2010 (a statistical mirage)…he’s at about 3.3%. Right with the rest of the journeymen.
Now you may be right NyGreem that the only reason these shitters had 10 yr NFL careers were because they were white. Maybe that’s the case, maybe not (but are you really arguing however that Kordell or Culpepper should have NFL jobs? Just because one shitter has an NFL job doesn;t mean every shitter should have one does it?
I don’t think VIck is still around and being touted as a top tier QB because he is black. I’m saying its because he was a 1st pick overall. Those guys often carry that cache longer than its deserved and I think this is the case with Vick.
As for what a top 10 qb should look like over 9 seasons….say Rivers (because he gets slagged on here….I myself am not a big fan…he’s like Marino, always pointing at other players, “that was your fault” …….anyway..
starts comp att % yrds tds td% ints int%
100 1930 3037 63.5% 24285 163 5.4% 78 2.6
I mean he’s thrown for 6000 more yrds and 60 more tds in 9 more starts.
I need spellcheck. I also meant 8 more starts.
BTW – can anyone name the 3 journeymen I compared Vick’s #s to?
@Vinny I don’t want to be taken literally with the whole race thing. I don’t believe Bill Cower would say “I had enough of Kordel Stewert bc he is black”. But there are certain expectations and low toleration for things that a normal publicly viewed prototypical qb does not get in most cases. Culpepper threw for over 40td in a year when Moss got hurt. He hurt his knees but still played ok with horrible teams yet he can’t get a back up job. Quincy Carter has the same amount of playoff appearances as Romo. Lol. Ok I’m just being smart but it truth behind it. You post Vick stats ignoring he ran for 1000 yards and all the wins he had. Stats don’t show the whole picture. If you gonna show Vick numbers show them all. It’s all perception Warren Moon threw for who knows what but his name does not get dropped with the greats. I sure don’t do it it’s just our perception. oh bc he played in the K gun or whatever the fuck. So what teams pass all the time now. Bret Farve greatest man on earth wasn’t the MVP his defense and special teams won Reggie white dominated Popped pain killers to stay on the field and threw ints in big game after big game after big game. Horrible pop ups vs the eagles giants yet if he wanted to play right now he can. I like Rivers alot I think he is a competitor and a top level qb. But he would be getting killed every pic over analyzed. Look at mcnab super bowl performance against that Patriot D with a 70% T.O. Manning did nothing against them. Rivers did nothing against them. That D was lights out that year. Mcnab threw for over 300yrds 3tds 3picks but they did that to everybody.
1.Brady
2.Rogers
3.Breeze
4.Peyton*
5.Ben
6.Eli
7.Rivers
8.Stafford
9.Vick
10.Schaub
11.Romo
12.Newton
13.Ryan
14.Cutler
15.Flacko
NuGreemboi you have every right to disagree with my list, just like i do with yours (i don’t think Shaub is top 10)…But believe me race is not factor…I don’t give a shit what people do in their outside lives either…That being said when it comes to my rankings…Romo (hate his guts) just has better pure numbers than Vick plain and simple…I like Cutler based on his physical ability (maybe strongest arm in the game) and he has virtually nothing to work with on offense and absolutely no offense line either…he would easily be top 5 in stats IMO with a Jason Peters/Kelce/and TH guarding for him and guys to throw to like Maclin/Djax…again this is just my opinion.
Pheags…your comments in itself shows the double standard.
There’s no excuses for black QB’s yet you can make excuses that give QB’s who have did absolutely nothing higher ranking over Vick.
What the hell have Cutler done in this league?
How is romo even in the conversation for top 10?
I remember cats was touting Ryan after his rookie season..
I’ll tell you right now if Cam Newton was white he would be a top 5 QB right freakin now.
Cutler turns the ball over more than Vick… But yet people project him on the Eagles line? lol… Why?
Why, try to excuse his numbers like that?
Ive heard that excuse for Cutler before… “his line sucks…If he played behind the Wagles line, he’d be better than Vick!”
Yeah well he doesnt play behind Vick’s line…. And something like ball security is the QB’s job anyway…. It doesnt matter what his O line looks like..
As for Eagles fans… I live here and I know there is a certain segment (large enough to make you shake your head in shame) of fans who hate Vick, they hated McNabb, and they hated Cunningham. They long for a great white hope QB to come and fulfill all their dream
They appreciate Vick and these other black QBs when they are making plays, but they still resent them as people…
Its sad, but this is America and that twisted sentiment exists in many fields, not just sports.
Again, the only people bringing up color are the ones that obviously think about it. Not going to even get into because i don’t give a damn about what Qbs look like. I will say tho i find it hilarious how people call other racists yet their the ones that say shit like “great white hope”…i guess people are too stupid to know that being racist can work all ways.
In regard to actual football, I dont think anyone turned the ball over more than Vick did last year. Second, Cutler has gone just as far as Vick in the playoffs. Third, I do think its fair to take into consideration what Qbs have to play with (hence why i don’t like Shaub too much…injury prone and has AJ to throw too). Don’t know what the big deal was about that.
Stafford?
over Vick?
This is pathetic….
I remember the game Vick was blasting the Colts and the refs tried to give Manning dumb ass calls so the Colts could win.
Vick was getting destroyed “in the pocket” with lat hits and refs did nothing….yet Trent Cole hand inadvertently grazed Manning’s helmet when Manning ducked into his hand and the refs called “roughing the passer”.
Do you all remember that?
I’m hearing stafford who have done nothing, and garbage ass Cutler who throw balls up for grabs on a regular, and Phillip Rivers who did nothing since LT was let go…Manning is one hit from being wheeled off the field and didn’t play last year and automatically ranked above Vick.
This wouldn’t be big deal if there was an even playing field publicly for blacks as it is for whites at the QB position..
Hell, look at Kolb’s garbage ass!
How is he still getting a check?
Remember he was given the job without an open competition over Vick?
It’s blatant racism
Songs come on man, Stafford 5000 plus yards and 40 plus tds (with no RB at all btw)…Vick has never even come close to those numbers. I hope he does this year but i just don’t see it him ever putting numbers up like that in a season.
Stafford all day over Mike Vick and you gotta be on LSD to think otherwise.
@pheags
The term “great white hope’ is the nicest way I could describe some of the backwards a$$ fans in this city…. You can play ostrich and stick your head in the sand if you like, but that doesnt negate what I said. Anyone who is honest will admit that a portion of these fans have a problem with black Qbs…
Its obvious pheags… Whether you THINK about race or not means nothing in reality…. it exists
and only a stupid person would call it racism…. Its prejudice, not racism… prejudice can work many ways… Racism cannot… learn the difference
In regard to actual football:
Cutler last two years has played in 25 games and has 9 fumbles lost and 23ints
Vick last two years has played 25 games and has 7 fumbles lost and 20 ints
……………..
Wow… Cutler threw 26 picks in 09…. Yup he’s great ….*GTFO*
Gimme vick over cutler all day.
I dont give a fuck what color a QB is, but its a fact that some do. No clue what the percentages are but it bothers some people but oh well that is the way the world works no sense stating the obvious.
Cutler is a heartless bonehead. i don’t want any part of that guy.
As far as Vick’s low rating, who the eff cares? He has a ton of talent and his arm strength certainly fits this offense, but can he play a full season without getting hurt? That is the big concern for me. Stafford presents the same injury concerns as Vick, but I would probably take him because he is younger. You get more accuracy, but you lose a ton of mobility.
As far as the prejudice in the city goes, of course it exists. What bothers me is that sometimes it is applied with broad strokes in that any criticism of a QB is considered being prejudice.