I was reading through a few of my columns from last season and I was tripping a little bit because I talked about how the Eagles would bounce back, and how we shouldn’t worry because they would still make the playoffs. As it turned out, they left me hanging. They left you hanging too didn’t they? How do you feel about that? I mean, as a “true” and loyal fan?
You are a true fan aren’t you?
Or did you give up on them last season when it didn’t look good and it seemed that any team in the NFL had a shot at beating them? How about later in the season when they had to win out and needed help to make the playoffs, were you pulling for them? Or were you standing by with a hammer waiting to bang in the last few nails of the 2011 season’s coffin?
Personally I found myself defending them almost every time because I believe in the Eagles without restraint and consider myself the ultimate optimist when it comes to my “fanship”. But at the end of the day, I’m real and I get it. After all I watched the same game you watched, and saw the same great plays or miscues that you did.
But a real fan doesn’t have to defend his team when they’re not playing well. It is what it is right? But how do you gauge loyalty? You can get mad during a miserable game or lash out a player because of poor play, that’s allowed. Being a loyal fan means you’re dedicated and passionate about your team, but some of you have a really peculiar way of showing it. How do you define loyalty?
There’s a very thin line between the expression of loyalty and the fine art of bandwagon jumping. But Philly is your town, and the Eagles are who you should pull for. Consider this, you can pick your friends but you can’t pick your family. You can pick your sport but you can’t pick your team, feel me? You’re born into it… wait a minute, that’s a story for another time.
Let’s explore loyalty, what does that mean to you? Here it is by definition: The act of binding yourself (intellectually or emotionally) to a course of action; feelings of allegiance, devotion, constancy, and commitment. Loyalty, allegiance, and fidelity all imply a sense of duty or of devoted attachment to something or someone. Loyalty connotes sentiment and the feeling of devotion that one holds for one’s country, creed, family, friends or football team. Allegiance applies particularly to a citizen’s duty to his or her country, or, by extension, one’s obligation to support a party, cause, leader or football team. Fidelity implies unwavering devotion and allegiance to a person, principle or football team. (dictionary.com) But the opposite is disloyal, unfaithful, or… turncoat. Ouch!
There were tons of Donovan McNabb haters in the mid to late 2000’s. When he threw an untimely interception or the ball landed several feet in front of the intended receiver – (which happened enough times – some of you took up a collection to have him shipped out of Philadelphia). But when he made a spectacular play – and he made a bunch of them – he was great. Way to go “5”. But that’s just one example out of many in the last, let’s say 25 years.
Eagles “fans” have booed some of the greatest players in Eagles history, but that’s their right… I guess. Some say it’s just the nature of the Philly sports fan and to a large extent that’s true, but our passion must be redirected to some other place, not against the team we say we love so much. Not once in my 44 years of fanship have I ever booed my team… and I’m proud of that.
Eagle’s fans have been spoiled, relatively speaking, by having a team that has competed for years. But now the expectation is (and will always be) to win a Super Bowl, and until that happens it’s a very reasonable expectation. In fact it’s the only expectation! But you can’t jump ship every time you think you’re about to sink.
I started pulling for the Eagles because of my older brother. He had won a Pass, Punt & Kick contest at Drexel Field back in 1966 and first prize was a green Eagles jacket with white leather arms that I thought was so cool! It was probably the following season that I became a fully fledged Eagles fan, but that jacket would be the best thing about the Eagles for many years to come.
It’s funny, but when I was listening to and watching all those games back in the late sixties and early seventy’s (even got to see the last pre-season game the Eagles played at Franklin Field), I can’t recall ever hearing any boos, but of course I was young, wide-eyed, and innocent. I believe that’s when the loyalty began to develop though. I had experienced only losing teams in my first years as an Eagles fan so when they began to build and get better I really appreciated it. I was at the peak of my fanship when Dick Vermeil came to town and turned my Eagles into a playoff team. I’ve been through ten head coaches, but Vermeil will always be my favorite Eagles coach for that reason.
I didn’t like losing, but now I guess I could tolerate it. I wasn’t satisfied with the Eagles being a “we’ll get ‘em next year” playoff team, but it was pretty cool for once to be among the league’s best, even after losing Super Bowl XV against the Oakland Raiders when it was alright to just be glad we were there. But it wasn’t that way after Super Bowl XXXIX. That loss to the New England Patriots, a game we should have won, is when the expectations for this team started to change. Like an unfulfilled wife expects more from her underachieving husband. You’ve got to knock her off her feet! It’s no longer an option to just make it there. The expectation is to win it all!,
So let’s face it, you and I are married to the Philadelphia Eagles football team and as in marriage there is a kind of sanctity (for lack of a better word) that goes along with it. Therefore you gotta take the good with the bad, but you can’t split, you can’t leave, and you can’t bail on your team. This is for life!
So what’s your story? Are you the real deal or one of those fickle fans, the kind that only shows up when the weather’s fine? What happened to make you turn your back on your team? Better yet, why did you stay when your heart was broken to pieces? I wanna know who’s real and what being a Philadelphia Eagles fan means to you. Describe your relationship – or lack thereof – with the Philadelphia Eagles. Express your fanship!
I’ll see you here shortly with another spin on fans. Who are they and where did they come from? You are blessed!
The window have closed shut on Reid…..we’re looking for a change from the top down before frantically believing anymore.
We don’t believe and this organization have moved us from optimism…
Excuses is what we come to expect from the Eagles……
The fans point to what’s wrong every offseason yet this subborn organization purposely ignore the fans to show us that they know more than us.
This is not a pissing contest…we are pointing these things out because we want a damn Superbowl.
I remember every fan and their mother were clamoring for recievers while Reid told us the positionwas just fine.
I remember the fans were hollering for a KR and Reid used Mahe and greg freakin Lewis ..remember those guys costing us key games that season?
But, they expect us to trust their knowledge when it’s clear this team ignores clear problems from season to season?
They let our Safeties go a created a weak Safety unit.
They let Sheldon Brown go and grossly downgraded the position for 2 seasons.
Hired McDermott as defensive Co. and gave us an excuse by saying McD is young and will grow into the position, only to fire him and hire and new guy we must wait to grow into the position.
Eagles fans are just tired..
I mean..we have heard about this short ota’s in a lock out season over and over again.
Well, who in the world told them to have so much change if they thought it would affect their chances of winning big?
We as fans can expect excuses and that’s why I point out the cleadr deficiencies before hand so no one can come back later and claim that there were no indications of what was needed….we know what’s needed.
We need the Safety that was signed to start first day in Nate Allen’s place because Coleman have showed he’s better than Nate Allen..period.
We also need a respectable backup for Vick so when he’s injured and out for a few gamed we can’t use him being out as an excuse.
I am an Eagles Fan thru and thru and will be for the rest of my life as I started following the Eagles since my childhood days in the Early 70’s..
I follow the Team,Roster Changes,Salary Cap,Draft Prospects,Free-Agency and everything that happens throughout the Year about the Club and it’s Players & Coaches.. I watch all the games even though I live 500 + miles away and I am as excited about this 2012 Team as any other Team including teh TO Team of 2004.. This could be the makings of a very special season and this years Summer Camp will be very competitive for there are only about 6-8 Roster Spots really in play (1-2 along the OL, 1-2 along the DL,
1-2 among the LB, 1-2 among the Secondary and 1-2 among the WR and the Offensive Backfield between FB and back-up RB’s with about 20 Players fighting it out for these 6-8 Spots.. I hope and believe the pace and sense of urgency will be there from the 1st Day of Camp thru the Pre-Season Games which was lacking big time last year where it seemed many players and some coaches were going thru the motions after a lengthy lockout..
I am excited to not only see the Draft Class but other players like LT D Bell, LB D Ryans, DE B Graham, DT A Dixon, TE C Harbor, WR Cooper, Safety Jarret, CB Marsh and LB’s Rolle,Matthews & QB Kafka .. It should be a Hell of Year with a lot of Stake for many Players, some Coaches and the Team in general… I expect nothing less than their best effort from the entire franchise and so far this Off-Season, they have shown a quiet confidence, a resilliency and a sense of urgency which I think bodes well for the coming Season..
ISn;t it funny – an article about loyalty and Songs, who constantly complains about ‘excuse making’ is the 1st person on here with his laundry list of excuses as to why it is OK for him to be — un loyal, dis loyal, a douche? This following his brilliant inquires as to how and why the Gnats might be a dynasty? His loyalty to players that left for more money? Then he gives the laundry list of things that if done the way he would like – then he will be ‘loyal’
Songs – why don;t you stop with the excuses and constant excuse making – you either are or you are not a loyal eagles fan – as the old man would say – shit, or get off the pot… times your
Mylow – great article – true loyalty knows no bounds, defies logic, and no matter what the circumstances prevents you from turning your back on your time – its easy as hell to be a fan when the team is 12-4 or 13-3 and going to the championship – those of us that were around during the miserable 70s, enjoyed the hell out fo the Vermiel years, had our ups and downs, and (for the most part) have enjoyed the Reid years. Sure, it would be phenominal to win the SB, a dream! But my loyalty to any of my teams is not based on win loss record (ever have the friend whose favorite team magically switched every year?) or number of championships, they are the teams I cheered when the won the Stanley CUp (or World Series or NBA Title) or finished dead last… a man can learn a lot from a dog –
I’m not a fan of Reid or Juan Castinko…get rid of these losers and bring in an hard nosed championship caliber coach like Dungy or find a way to pry Tomlin from Pittsbugh and I’m all in.
navy…what did you think about Reid telling us the recievers were fine when we all knew they stank?
Did you agree with Reid’s assessment back then?
Lots of ways that you can define being a fan, but there is no denying that a “true” fan loves his team the best way he knows how. Some “true” fans are perpectual optimists, believing that the team always has a chance and that they can do now wrong…..others practice “tough love” by pointing out ways they can improve and usually getting upset when their wishes do not happen.
A fan roots for his team regardless of coaches, management or even players…..he roots for the team to win, even if winning isn’t in the best interest of the team (as in getting a better draft pick)…..he defends the team against rivals even when it sometimes goes against common sense.
As a fan of the Eagles there is no greater feeling than waking up on gameday and counting down the hours till the game….watching the game and living and dying with each series…and then win or lose spending hours after the game watching post-game shows and checking GCobb…….makes me even more amped for training camp and the season to begin….GO BIRDS!!!
Songs – only you, in two short posts, can confirm you are both a disloyal douche and an ignorant fuck – such talent…
which one to start with – ah – exactly – if the eagles do what you want, then you will be loyal, if not, you can;t be bothered – you will just botch.. what a douche.. thanks for confirmaing exaclty what I posted – now run off and make a bunch more excuses you whiney dumass –
now the recievers – I have stated many times that a) you are stupid and b) you don’t know shit about the eagles – in the two years before TO arrived, the eagles were 12-4 and the #1 seed in the NFC.. they lost both games – Ried famous ‘happy with the WRs comment came after the 2003 NFCC loss – the rcvrs were Pinkston, Lewis Mitchll and Thrash –
In 2004 the eagles went 13-3 (wow they won 1 more game) and were the #1 seed – I have on several occasions printed the offensive stats rom that season and you will find the addition of TO basically won them 1 more game, I think they scored a couple more TDs and avergaed around 35 yards a game more – and guess who the WRs were in the NFCC game WIN over Atlnata – Pinkston, LEwis and Mitchell – Owens was hurt assfuck… So Ried actually was correct – the rcvrs WERE good enough.
you know in 2003 the team scored 374 in 2004 they scored 386 owens was worth 12 points and 1 win and a trashed season!
Hey lets look at this – the two years prior to Owens arriving the eagles had a record of 24 and 8 – the two year Owens was on the roster – the eagles were 19-13 – the number of playoff wins without OWens – 2002-2004 4 the number of playoff wins with him 2004-2005 ZERO
ever think the main reason 2004 was so special is becuase the D was one of the best in the Reid era – they gave up 10 points in the NFCC game?
anyway songs – I always appreciate the chance to show you what an ignorant, disloyal excuse making jackass you are –
just standing by waiting for you to GCOBB shuffle your way out of thisone.. start tapping bitch
The age old question! Would you rather win a championship and stink for years or would you rather have a shot and be relevant every year? I really dont know the answer. Yes I would love to win a championship but having no sports for a whole season SUCKS. Take the Eagles for instance, know they havent won a superbowl, we all know that, but for the most part they give you 5-6 months of interest. Something to do, to look forward to. Or does winning a championship and then having no hope and no interest for a team better? I mean us winning in 2008 with Phillies does nothing for me now, on a boring night in the summer I dont say atleast we won 5 years ago, that does nothing for me at the moment. Even though the Phillies have kept me interested up until this year, Im just asking a question. Is it better to have hope every year or to wn it all and sacrifice years of enjoyment with a bad team? I know I know win it all and be competitive every year is ideal.
I agree Dag 100%,
I would rather be in the Dance and have a chance every year then a 1 year great Team followed by years of mediocrity or worse.. I think Teams that are able to keep Fans interested for the entire season is a Fans best situation to ask for..
Dag – agreed – way back when on this board folks were all into the just give me one, and we have had that experience with the Phillies, you are right, it does nothing now….
Redskins fans do not go – well at least we won a few last century, same with Jets, Chiefs, Colts etc.. Colts fans could ‘rationalize’ last year, but they hated it, they were used to ‘competing’ (isn;t it funny some folks seem to think being competitive is a bad thing?)
Remember come next Feb – 1 fan base is thrilled, the rest are gnashing about the what ifs..
as for the eagles – you have to find a reason (the back up QB?) to not be excited about this year
I have a reason! 🙂
I’ve been a die-hard fan since birth. All I want is a damn SB. Dam the excuses. I do agree with a lot of what you’r sayin Songs; in how they have neglected the most important positions during the Strongest era yet for this team during McNabb’s time. There are a lot of “johnny come lately” so call fans for this team and you can tell by either the posters here or everywhere who aren’t committed to the players who will bring us hom the trophy. True, we may not agree with some of the actions of our players, but to throw them under the bus and not stand behind them in difficult times shows the lack of some of these so called fake fans have for this team. In reality, I grew up in a time where football was football, not this pansy soft “your off the field behaviors are not role model esque” for my kid crap. This new fan breed are soft pussies who won’t stand behind the leders of the team. Back in the day a badass player who was in the news for minor scuffles etc was cool in a way as long as it wasn’t overboard. give me Lawrence Taylor in his prime any day of the week and all his off da field problems, just bring me home a SB. Today’s fans aren’t true loyal fans.
By the way G, whats up with trying to access your site. Everytime I Google Gcobb.com I keep getting a harmful message for this site and I can’t get access from home. Whats up with that?
rocko – Gcobb takes ad $ from shady shady sources and doesn’t protect his site from viruses, spywares, trojans etc… Reason? He doesn’t give a crap. It’s been that way for a long time.
and I still say it’s Paul behind all the viruses. He giggles and gets a hard on with the idea of pissing of philadelphia sports fans….
navy, the phillies have been in the hunt since 07, two world series appearances, one world championship, four consecutive division titles, 102 victories last season, franchise record, and another world championship in 80, appearance in ws in 83, there is no comparison of success between the eagles and the phillies
Jakedgo – so you’re happy with the phils right now?
the conversation wasn’t about comparing success. It was about loyalty, and the feeling/perception of fanbases in regards to past successes and the like.
It’s not me with the Viruses, I am not smart enough on how to spread them.. ha ha.. I admit that I got a little spoiled with teh PHils as probably many of us did.. They have been a dominant regulr Season team the last few years, but it just goes to prove how difficult it really is to win a Championship where not the best team always wins in Sports .. (check the Packers last year or the undefeated Pats time a couple years back) Lots has to fall together like the CArds remarkeable run at the end of last season and in the Playoffs..
Bottom line in any of these sports is that you have to make the Playoffs first to have a chance for a Championship and Philly fans have been very fortunate as compared to many other CIties around the COuntry about have 3 majore Teams making the Playoffs pretty consistently (Eagles,Phils,Flyers) so you route for who you like and njoy it for what it is which is entertainment and fun to get worked up and start doing some crazy things because of a team winning or losing is very silly when you think about it.. Think all Cities who win A Championship, then have riots,fires,injuries, property destroyed. and smae with some cities whose teams lose, setting fires, turning vehicles over, etc,etc… Too much madness out there anymore …
fair enough Paul. I don’t know that you’re not smart but i do know that you’re not a stickler for paying attention to detail, and that’s probably required for the viruses. But seriously, it’s pretty darn clear that Garry doesn’t give a shit about whether his site promotes viruses or not…
With regards to the whole “either / or” scenerio and winning a SuperBowl, I don’t see why it would have to be that way. Why not build a team that can win a SB and still stay competitive every year…like say….the Patriots?…the Ravens won a SB a few years back and are competive every year…..the Packers? My point is there are plenty of examples of franchises winning a championship and still remaining competitive year after year. They do not need to be mutually exclusive.
Personally, I am growing tired of being the only NFC East team that has not won a SB….that is the hump I would like to see us get over. But as far as being a fan….most every year ends in disappointment as Navy said above, but come the offseason and the draft the excitment builds into camp and then the start of a new season where we can see a path where our team puts it all together…..that is called being a fan…at least IMO….GO BIRDS!!!
Greenfan agreed – the one and done is that many folks at various times have wanted the eagles to give/trade/pay for that ‘one’ magical player that will ensure SB victory (and we all know that doesn;t exist) – and the great part about your comment is – you are exactly right – and none of those teams you just mentioned have a plan and stick to the plan and when the plan delivers a SB victory, great, if not, retool the plan and go at it again.. They don’t do a Redkins or Raiders and trade/buy players and draft picks and then find themselves screwed when those players don;t work out..
Jake – I was making a direct reference to the Phillies as the last major sports team to win a championship in Philly with respect to how you feel aboutt he team now as a fan..
as a loyal Phillies fan, I still watch them as much as I did, buy as much gear as I did, and enjoy the team as much as I did now, as I did when they were the Champs –
my point is, does the fact the Phillies won the title a few years back make it any easier to swallow a blown save, a bases loaded double play to end the game down by a run, or anything else? No it doesn’t – when the team went ‘all in’ and got TO – they scored about 12 more points, and won one more game in 2004 – he didn;t play in the playoffs, but they went one level further in the playoffs to the SB – the next year was trash….. how long did the Pats coach let Randy Moss stick around when Moss said something about BRady…. about 10 secs…
and Jake – lets also remember that a year ago on this site there were many articles as to which team – the Phillies or Eagles were top dogs…
right now if you had 20K free Phillies tix or Eagles tix – for 20K fans – how many you think would chose the eagles game over the Phillies RIGHT NOW – today—
Paulman..I’m all in……it’s best to have a chance every year even though winning the big one will never happen..Just the opportunity like every team have by being in the league each year is enough.
Go Eagles!
Guys..who would you say is a better head coach?
Reid or Coughlin?
expound…..
While you guys are contemplating the answer on the best coach in the NFC East..give your understaning of how the Eagles Brass convinced us we have a shot every year when we haven’t won a playoff game since Mcnabb left….also expound on how the Giants stay competitive each year and when Superbowls also…..Wouldn’t they be the prime example of a team that have a shot a winning the big one every year?
There you go, songs tries to hijack the conversation. How does he attempt to do so? By making points that support his statement. How does that work out for him? POORLY. WHY? Because the points he made are FALSE, thus NOT supporting his statement.
The Giants won the SB the ’07 season. ’08- they were 12-4, won the division, only to lose to THE EAGLES in the first round. Next year ’09 – they DIDN’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.they were 8-8 third in the division. ’10 – 10-6, DIDN’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. Last year, you know.
So Songs, you point is BS because it’s incorrect.
Sucks being stupid hunh? You could have just googled and wikipedia’d some stuff like I did which would have avoided that embarassment. But you’re too knuckle headed for that aren’t ya big guy?
Songs, if you think the answer is Coughlin, well what do you want to do, hire Coughlin to coach the Eagles? Not an option, Coughlin is under contract, and there’s no coaching vacancy on the Eagles. You want to fire Reid? Duh, we know you do. Well too bad there too – he’s the coach.
So…….. yeah…. uh…. keep bitching if you want to. Bitch.
Schill?
Which organization between the Eagles and Giants are constantly in a position to win Multiple Superbowls?
I realize this is just too logical – but aren;t all 32 teams in a postion to win multiple Super bowls??? Why would the Ginats be in any better psotion to win multiple SBs then say the Ravens, 49ers or Steelers?
Last I checked – aren;t all the teams 0-0… so – are the teams not all constantly in a position to win multiple SBs right up until the point they are eliminated from playoff contention (big word – means they don;t make the playoffs) or loss a playoff game – and the difference between the Eagles and say the Jets – the Jets – if they win this year – it will be multiple Sbs for them, the eagles will have to win too..
is this like too hard for you to understand?
Navy, thanks for the analysis …glad you cleared it up because I remember the Eagles brass mentioning that they structure the business to be in a position to win it all from year to year…..and others are on here saying they would rather be competitve with a chance to win one and then go through losing seasons thereafter.
I’m saying that what the Eagles claim what they do well is no different than any other team that never won a Superbowl..
Navy you and I are in agreement.
Actually if you look at on in paper and take the emotions out of the equation
the Eagles have been in better positoin to go the Super Bowl preobably more often than the Giants have been over the last 10 years, again look a the talent,theskill levels etc,etc.. but this is why they actually play the games on thefield and keep score for winning anything based upon predictions,evaluatons and hype means absolutely nothing..Every Season, there are 2-3 Teams in the NFL that super disappoint for a variety of issues, Coaching, players injurires of off the field crap,bad breaks, bad karna or whatever you have to call it.. just like every season, there are 2-3 teams that come out of nowhere to impress, player well, stay focused,healthy and do well.. Would anyone in San Francisco say that last Season was a disappointment since theey lost the NFC Championship game when they had Home field advantage, sure they were disapointment, but to say their season whas a failure is ludicrous and now they have the foundation and confidence to probably be a good team that will contend for the next few seasons… The Eagles demise is well documented and no reason for me to rehash, but look at the Bears,Cowboys who also disappointed and did play to expectations, in the AFC, the Bengals played extermely well, the Chargers and Jets didn’t and the Jet’s imploded late in the Season while the Eagles started slow and played themselves behinfd the 8-ball by Halloween..
Each year is unique to itself with a new 53man roster, new players and coaches awith new attituds and game plans and opponents.. It’s fun to compare but in the end, it’s a what have yo down for me lately meaning like right now.. It’s how our Society has evolved with the 24/7 News/highlight/rumor circut that’s surrounds most teams in big markets for better or for worse..
Paulman..you can not compare the success of the 49ers to the Eagles early success…..
Harbaugh came in during a lock out year with a horrible team with a questionable QB, and in his first season led them to the NFC championship.
Did Reid do that in his first year?
So, come on guy….no one expected the 49ers to do anything with a new Head Coach, a new staff, with a below average team.
Answer this Paulman..is Reid a better head coach than Coughlin?
No Coach Ar is not but neither coach is going anywhere, so what does it matter
Take a step back about the 49ers who have a very talented roster who under-acheieved with HC Singletary at the helm for he was too old-school, too hardocre for the younger talented players to suceed and most wer happy to see him gone, but look at their Roster.. 3 1st ROund Draft PIcks along the OL,
an All-World MLB in Willis, a freak of an thlete in TE Vernon Davis ad stud, rough RB Frank Gore, they had many pieces in place, what Harbaugh and his staff down was to simplify everything from Day 1 at Camp. remember, Harbaugh and his staff have worked 6-7 Years together at Stanford and San DIego State so about 85 % Of their COaching Staff have all been together for a while and have a proven track of success as far as rountines,proactices, schemes, conditioning ,game planning ,etc,etc..and they coached the players and athletes do what they do best.. Eagles was a entireley differencet scenraior with 5-6 New Coaches, unfamiliar with each other with differnect backgrounds and schemes…plus a 1st Year DC in Castillo so there was no comparison..Remember when they came to Philly and kicked Eagles ass up and down the field in the 2nd half, the 49ers played a road game in CIncinnati the Sunday before and instead of flying his team back to San Francisco, he took the team to Akron,Ohio where they further bonded as a team,visitined the Hall of Fame, had little to no distracations or didn’t allow them to get big headed of themselves after their good start, every button Harbaugh pushed worked liked a gem last year which is a credit to him, his staff and to their players, now lets see waht the do this season now theat they have expecations and some hype about them coming into the season.. No one saw them coming on like they did last year, no one, including me..
ok..pulamna..now we’re getting some straight answers…So at one time Reid was the best coach in the NFC East…when did the transition take place in which Coughlin is now better being with New York in a shorter time span than Reid tenure here in Philly?
Giants have a great GM and have had better drafts and do a better job of developing young talent and they secured a QB in Eli Manning who plays big inthe 4th quarters and in big games where the Eagles QB’s in McNabb & Vick have played small… They Draft little known DL like Strahan, Umenyuri,Tuck and noe JPP and make stars out of them and because their philosphy has always win the battles inthe trenches along the Ol & DL.. The Eagles are a smaller,more athletic team that relies on thier speed and gimmicks which may win you many games,but not when it counts against the big boys of the NFL.. The Giants are the epitome of NFC East Football while the Eagles are built to be a “Dome/Warm Weather Team” during the AR era..