Wow, the Eagles actually came out of Cleveland with a win against the Browns. That’s what we all expected. Now, how they did it is far from what any of us visualized. Starting quarterback Michael Vick was horrible, as he said himself. Coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg called a pretty poor game (at least in the second half), and the offensive line hardly blocked anybody. Did I cover everything?
I wrote last week that Michael could give way to backup quarterback Nick Foles, an article not received very well to say the least. I said that in part because I believe in Foles ability but mainly “if” Vick were to miss time because of injury, Foles would be more than capable. But after watching Sunday’s game Mr. Vick needs to get his “Boogaloo Situation” together. A Boogaloo Situation is his act, his swag…get his caliber of play up to about 100 million dollars!
I’m one of the biggest MV7 fans on the planet but I’m an Eagles fan first. Real fans in Philadelphia do not accept mediocrity and that’s what he was against a subpar Browns team. I realize he only had something like 12 plays in the pre-season and he’s quite rusty. That’s where the coaching staff comes in. I’m not going to harp on four interceptions, so Andy and Marty should have him handing off to LeSean McCoy. Vick had little time to look downfield and was constantly in duress, side stepping and hurrying out of the pocket. And on many big plays, usually a big run by McCoy, what was the call? Holding!
This Sunday the Eagles won’t be playing a team on the same level as the Browns. They open up at home against a much more talented and better coached team that was one controversial call (and missed field goal) from last year’s Super Bowl. Yes, the Ravens are coming and they’re going to bring it!
Ray Lewis, future hall of fame middle linebacker doesn’t “seem” to be the maniac he once was but he’s still leading this team in tackles. I did notice however that Lewis was dragged for a few extra yards on some plays Monday Night, so although the Ravens humiliated the Bengals, Cincinnati was still able to run the ball…hint, hint Andy. The Bengals rushed for 127 yards and over 5 yards per carry! Mike Vick doesn’t have to do it all by himself! Help him out!
Baltimore’s defense put good pressure on Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton, especially in the latter stages of the game. How good, or bad that unit up front for the Eagles is will be determined Sunday afternoon at The Linc! Vick will have to be sharp and make good reads and fast, proper decisions while getting the ball out quickly against an aggressive Baltimore defense.
This Cleveland game, if you believe in omens, could present a good one. Vick took off on a scramble to get about ten yards for a first down. He was hit one yard short, knowing he was going to take a shot he put his head down and braced himself for a vicious hit, losing the ball. Somehow he came up with his own fumble, got the first down and was able to finish the drive with the winning touchdown. Last year that ball would have bounced in another direction.
Will the ball continue to bounce in the Eagles favor? Will MV7 get his Boogaloo Situation together or will we get an early glimpse of the future? Do you think it would help or even be reasonable to bench Mike Vick if he continues to struggle ala Donovan McNabb verses these same Ravens? We know that the rest of the team is behind Vick and that is very significant but if he doesn’t progress with each game as I expect he should, call him what you want… number nine might get his chance a lot sooner than any of us truly expected. I’ll say it again… Rookie quarterbacks have flourished in the NFL…but I’m not ready to hang up my #7 jersey just yet.
Things that make you go “Hmmm”: With the hip flexor injury to Wide Receiver Jeremy Maclin, do the Eagles call up Marvin McNutt from the Practice Squad or do they bring in someone, say… Plaxico Burress? Hmmm?
Anyone notice that since Mike Vick got married, he’s become a “Bum Ass” QB.. Wonder if his wife had her “Influenza Shots” when she was a baby..
Songs’ can you help out with this and check this out for us and report back…
Check out how many times the top ten running backs carried the ball Sunday
Adding the 3 plays that McCoy had called back he had 23 and add in the passes he caught
He was NOT under used
Andy ought to work the other 3 backs in for 15 or more carries
What kind of stupid title is this…
“Will Michael Vick Save the 2012 season?”
He is one thats the problem. He is the one that needs saving. The Eagles need to save themselves from him and Reid for that matter. How is he suppose to save the rest of the team when he is a major weak link? The rest of the team for the most part looks like they do not need saving this season…there is a lot of talent on this team on both sides of the ball…can you imagine if we would have gotten Manning in FA? There would actually be hope.
Its sad man. I said all I want is Ws. Sure we got one against the 2nd worst team in the league (MIA). However in reality, No way Vick is good enough to bring us the Ws it would take to win a Super Bowl tho. You simply don’t win superbowls with QBs who have made it clear they are too dumb to read a NFL blitz. Match that with inaccuracy and him being injury prone. Just doesn’t happen. And all his ass kissers out there are flat out embarrassing. just as dumb. You must be a Vick fan more than an Eagles fan…im sure when Vick is gone we won’t here from you again on an Eagles sports website.
What a damn shame to have all this talent and potential yet have dumb and dumber as our QB and Head Coach.
The jury is still out on who the dumber one is but i think its clear they are both as dumb as they come on NFL sundays
rcp i agree he had 29 touches in all i believe. i thought andy should have spelled him for the kids but maybe he was nervous about ball security and he felt that vick was better suited for security than a rook– 10 year veteran vs. a rook… ooops!
i thought shady was used well– they also ran the most plays sunday of any team in the league so numbers are skewed a bit.
RCP, you may be right. However, we might not know what the other situations were those games..were the teams winning like we were for the most part? Did they actually have a top 10 QB who wasn’t throwing picks or fumbling every series..Were they playing a team that was terrible against the run yet solid against the pass like we were?
Reids logic baffles the shit out of me on NFL sundays. Sure he is capable of putting a solid roster together but my god does he suck on game days..I feel like he watches the Packers, Pats, Saints games too much…fact is our Qb is nothing compared to those ones, not even close. Because of what we have as QB, we should only pass 20-25 times a game at most.
Im sick of hearing this is a passing league etc..Sure it is if you have an elite QB. However, the two best teams in the league to me (49ers and Ravens) don’t and they get it done by running the ball and playing D. IF it wasn’t for some ridiculous football luck they would have been the ones in the Super Bowl last year..After watching the 49ers whoop the Packers AT HOME, makes you wonder what type of league this really is.
I would run 40 times a game if I was the Birds…20-25 touches for McCoy and some for Brown and Lewis.
has he sucked during all those freaking wins? i think if you watched any other team the way you watch the birds…that is with your HEART– you would see other coaches baffle you just as much.
guys crack me gthe hell up – so your theory is we paid 100 million for a QB we can’t trust to throw? We have a franchise QB and we would rather have the rookie have the ball then have our 100 mill QB throwing to Maclin, Djax, Celek and Harbor and Avant? McCoy got about 30 touches and provided over 100 yards on the ground……… when we needed the run, we had it, and they used it. But again, if we need to treat Vick like a rookie – then hell, put the rookie in there. Hell, put Trent Edwards in there – he looked great in Pre season..
now, to further comment on the 56 passes, if Vivk missed pre-season, wouldn’t we want him to get as many live reps as possible? Wouldn’t we want him to knock the rust off as qucikly as he could?
no lets sit around and bitch Reid should have given shady the ball 50 times, or the rookies should carry – bottom line is the team MOVED the football – so quit bitching about the play calling, the problem was Vick was making horrid decisions and terrible throws and STARING at his intended recvr – and he can not read a blitz to save his ass
Baltimore is going to be a great game, both teams are 1 and 0 and Vick needs to be ready,
I am soooo tired of people talking, saying Vick is injury prone…you’ve gotta be kidding me…Vick got hit 16 times on Sunday and got up everyone…What QB in the league can take that type of beating day in and day out without injury…C’mon, son
Also again did you watch the game? I also wanted to get into Reid and the play calling but the 1st half wasn’t that bad…the problem was the penalties in that first half especially, McCoy had a nice gain that was called back for holding, I think there were two of those in the 1st half…This game is bigger than one person, myself having played the sport, understand this…
and honestly I feel as though on this site I am surrounding by a bunch of Skip Baylesses!
I originally predicted that Foles would take over full time in week 12, but I’ve upped that to week 8 (after the bye).
However, another performance like we just witnessed might move that timetable up even closer. If Vick has another “do my best to give the ball to the other team” effort (I think highly likely), then the pressure to put FOles in will be pretty insurmountable.
Just read your post Navy…spot on
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” How is he suppose to save the rest of the team when he is a major weak link? ”
Absolutely spot on. Though I would have used the article “the” rather than “a”. Much more definitive.
I am kicking it in jury duty today gents so keep the comments rolling!
Vick is going to have a bounceback game this week – the coaches will have a plan to counter those blitzes off the edge – and McCoy is gonna ruch for a buck fifty!
RT – the penalties were a killer int he first half – no doubt – that pick PI on Maclin was horsecrap, Maclin had stopped and turned – he was entitled to that spot.
as for going forward this week, I would like to see a few more WR and… oops just got called!
haha @ Navy…I feel your pain…I was supposed to do jury duty this month…but got it changed due to a work conflict…scheduled for it in December
surrounded vs surrounding look it up window licker. also vicks not injury prone at all, he played 16 games once in his career that means he isnt injury prone.
How about you don’t throw the ball 56 times with a QB who only had six snaps all pre season and you have three good tailbacks, having said that if Vick continues this way Big Red has to think about pulling him.
Maybe the 56 passes are a secret attempt by AR to have Vick get injured or lose the support of his team in order to facilitate a smooth transition to 9. Remember 10 seems enamored with 7.
Just saying.. for the smoke filled backroom crowd…
If you have eyes you could see that 7 holds the ball that split second too long- always has. He admits to not being a student of the game.. He flees the pocket vs sliding in the pocket.
My eyes saw 9 make a side step and get the ball out. (YES IT WAS ONLY PRESEASON) but it was also the same preseason that was able to cause 7 to be injured 2 times in 12 snaps.
9 is a quarterback – 7 is a great athlete (aging)
Why am i posting in a thread were “Boogaloo Situation” is used?
Also note that the Browns have Pat Shurmer MVs old QB coach) and Dick Juron on staff now. (this I stole another site)
They knew precisely how to obliterrate Vick – and they did.
You don’t think the word is not now out on the street?
I said id way throug 2010 that wha we were watching was a mirage and that as soon as there was il MV would deteriorate because he never leaned to be a QB (despite all theBS – he could be as good as Steve Young – that was out there)
The film is out. The blueprint is drawn. There is no QB hiding behind the curtain that is the Mke Vick Myth.
Irrespective of the fact that Vick had a piss poor performance. Reid and company did the smart thing late in the game with a combination of a heavy running attack and Vick in the shotgun to deal with the lack of blitz pick-up/pass rush. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Vick goes out and has a Redskins 2010 type game on Sunday…the dude is due for an insane game. (If you forgot he has a jersey in the HOF for that one)
Having said all of that I’ve expressed since the beginning of the summer two developmental QBs behind Vick is luxury the Eagles can ill afford. Trent Edwards is an idea they can pick-up later, besides if they think they’re going to get another team’s second round pick for a developmental back-up QB somewhere down the line that’s probably not going to happen again since they’ve gone to that well to many times and burned too many suitors. They need McNabb for for insurance this year.
WOW! JUST WOW!!!
Just to reiew Butch’s plan:
1 – Vick will have a great game because he had a great game 2 seasons ago and is “due”.
2 – If Vick doesn’t work out, we need to bring in a once great, (but no longer) teiionnalyst who hasn’t had a good season since 2009, hasn’t played in a year and a half.
Did I get that?
Sounds like a grat plan.
television analyst
Why does Foles scare the pro Vick camp so much?
I have been calling for a new QB since McNabb (who proved to be done after leaving here) Kolb looked interesting but as most pointed out did not have a big enough arm.
By the way Kolb and Vick had similar QB ratings last year.
Kafka was worse than Kolb.
Vince Young was Intriguing for a minute as he is big but also seemingly dum as a box of rocks.
Foles should get his chance this NOW. if he turns out to be a bum our record will suck and we can draft another QB in 1st round next year.
Vick will win us just enough to not be able to easily replace him, and if we go to foles next year and it desnt work out we are even further behind.
Remember 10,18,25,87 only have so many miles on the tires before they must be replaced (espescially 25) Lets not waste them anymore than needed.
The brilliance, of some people on this site, is priceless!!!! I actually lose brain cells, just reading some of the brilliant commentary. SWEET JESUS!!!!
I never thought I would ever have to defend VY, but the GCOBB commentators surprise me again. Do you get to make fun of someone for being “dum as a box of rocks” when you spell DUMB wrong?
The problem is the offense isnt based around mike vick.. when vick was ultra successful in 2010 the offense was totally different.. In 2010 vick woudl drop back much further like all the short quarterbacks do so the can see. the would roll him out and have designed runs.. Now they want him to stay in the pocket and get killed.. The eagles are morons.. Just let vick play his game and have foles come in when he gets nicked up or misses a game or 2.. Also, The line was horrid .. I want the old mike vick back …
The old Vick? The one that never won anything. The last like 25 games he’s thrown 22 td to 20 int. that’s Vick he blows
@Mhenski – you are on my nuts so much that they are hitting the ground…wow, I made a spelling error…that’s all you got to say? how many other posts have some errors…this isn’t school bitch…this is talk among fans…I am so tired of your punk ass, I swear, I have never wanted to hurt someone so much…one on one, face to face, that’s what I want….
@haveacigar – Actually Vick has never been a high INT guy…in fact Vick has never thrown more 20 INT’s in a season…in fact last year was the highest amount of INT”s he threw in his career….no the facts before you talk shit…you are another Skip Bayless character on this site, fronting to know what the hell your talking about…
“know the facts” (looking at you Mhenski)
Hahahaha. all I have to say is BOBBY HOY!!!!!! Lol. Damn at least he played a few games during the season before some sports comentators were calling him the next Joe Friggin Montana LMMFAO SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!
It isn’t actualy # of ints that prove/disprove his propensity to throw picks. Its int %.
He doesn’t throw a lot of actual ints because he doesn’t throw a lot. He always ranks near the bottom of the league in atts due to either being hurt a lot, or taking off and running 100x a year.
His interception percentage is always high however. Coming in at 3.3% average.
Add in his average of 10 fumbles a year – due to his scrambling – and you have a turnover machine.
hey unreal talk 777 22 tds to 20 ints– any analyst in the world says that he can’t read the blitz– i question his ability to read PERIOD! HE
sorry- computer screw up– He is a waste– he will have a brilliant game this year…maybe 5-8 brilliant games that he wins with sheer athleticism and you will come out and say “yeah what do ya think of that now, you hater’ or some such intelligent rant– then say something about your nuts or something, then he will get up against a good team, throw 3 picks, get hurt and you will blame the o line which has to hold their blocks 2-3 seconds longer with this totally inept qb.
i’m an AR supporter but this was the stupidest thing ever– bringing him in to be wildcat qb and he turns into the guy to take you to the promised land… no freaking way. bad move by AR– a job costly one in my opinion.
From Football Outsiders on Vick this week:
By now you know about his interceptions, but what you might not know is just how impotent Vick was for long stretches of this game. He had a string of 16 dropbacks over the first and second quarters where he failed to pick up a single first down, and only had one successful play. His numbers over that stretch: 6-of-15 for 38 yards and a sack.
And while I don’t necessarily abide by this theory…..(I just think he’s a bad QB thats getting worse)……….some on here may have noticed the rapid decline in VIck’s “skills” began very soon after signing his last contract…….
@Doyouhaveabrain……aka haveacigar
You said:
you will come out and say “yeah what do ya think of that now, you hater’ or some such intelligent rant– then say something about your nuts or something, then he will get up against a good team, throw 3 picks, get hurt and you will blame the o line which has to hold their blocks 2-3 seconds longer with this totally inept qb.
Ummm isn’t that the same thing you are doing but just the other way around…in a more positive direction…so its ok for you to throw dirt on the man, or push him while he is down, when he has a bad game…but I can’t say anything when he has a good game? how one sided is that? again son, Skip, just stop it!
@ Vinniethesister -Hey girl! how many penalties were called in between? run plays? do a full analysis before just throwing Vick under the bus…where did you get those numbers from anyway? some weird guy from ATL, whom you were on the phone with late last night?
right he is a first ballot hof qb for sure. he has been down for the last 20 games for this team. i’m not throwing dirt on him now because of a bad game which as you point out was a win!– i’m throwing dirt because its obvious that the nfl players and coaches are able to devise a game plan to outsmart him. This has been going on since the miraculous win vs. the giants ….go to his stats and look for the last 20 games or so and more importantly look at his wins/losses– his body of work suggest that he won’t take us to the promised land.
Where’d I get it?
1st and 10 at PHI 40 M.Vick pass deep right to D.Jackson ran ob at CLV 25 for 35 yards (E.Hagg) [A.Rubin].
1st and 10 at CLE 25 (Shotgun) L.McCoy left tackle to CLV 23 for 2 yards (F.Rucker; D.Jackson).
2nd and 8 at CLE 23 M.Vick pass incomplete short left to D.Jackson.
3rd and 8 at CLE 23 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete deep left to D.Jackson [J.Parker].
End of Period
Start of 2nd Quarter
4th and 8 at CLE 23 A.Henery 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-C.Henry. 3 3
A.Henery kicks 70 yards from PHI 35 to CLV -5. J.Cribbs to CLV 34 for 39 yards (J.Chaney; C.Marsh).
1st and 10 at PHI 7 M.Vick pass short left to J.Maclin to PHI 12 for 5 yards (D.Patterson).
2nd and 5 at PHI 12 M.Vick pass incomplete short right to D.Johnson.
3rd and 5 at PHI 12 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to J.Maclin to PHI 15 for 3 yards (D.Patterson). PHI-J.Maclin was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
4th and 2 at PHI 15 C.Henry punts 60 yards to CLV 25, Center-J.Dorenbos. J.Cribbs to CLV 31 for 6 yards (K.Coleman).
1st and 10 at PHI 19 M.Vick scrambles right guard to PHI 30 for 11 yards (C.Robertson).
1st and 10 at PHI 30 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short left to B.Celek [B.Skrine].
2nd and 10 at PHI 30 L.McCoy left tackle to PHI 47 for 17 yards (J.Parker). PENALTY on PHI-J.Kelce, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PHI 30 – No Play.
2nd and 20 at PHI 20 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to B.Celek to PHI 29 for 9 yards (B.Winn; J.Haden).
3rd and 11 at PHI 29 M.Vick pass incomplete short left to L.McCoy.
4th and 11 at PHI 29 C.Henry punts 52 yards to CLV 19, Center-J.Dorenbos. J.Cribbs to CLV 36 for 17 yards (A.Jordan).
1st and 10 at PHI 26 M.Vick sacked at PHI 16 for -10 yards (T.Ward).
2nd and 20 at PHI 16 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass short right to L.McCoy pushed ob at PHI 23 for 7 yards (C.Robertson).
3rd and 13 at PHI 23 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass short right to C.Harbor to PHI 33 for 10 yards (B.Skrine).
4th and 3 at PHI 33 C.Henry punts 54 yards to CLV 13, Center-J.Dorenbos. J.Cribbs to CLV 36 for 23 yards (A.Jordan).
1st and 10 at PHI 20 L.McCoy right guard to PHI 30 for 10 yards (K.Maiava). PENALTY on PHI-J.Maclin, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PHI 30.
(Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to J.Maclin to PHI 24 for 4 yards (B.Skrine).
2nd and 6 at PHI 24 L.McCoy left tackle pushed ob at PHI 46 for 22 yards (B.Skrine).
1st and 10 at PHI 46 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete deep right to D.Jackson.
2nd and 10 at PHI 46 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short left to J.Maclin.
3rd and 10 at PHI 46 (Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short right to D.Johnson.
4th and 10 at PHI 46 C.Henry punts 41 yards to CLV 13, Center-J.Dorenbos. J.Cribbs to CLV 18 for 5 yards (A.Jordan).
Two McCoy runs were called back with holds.
Vick went a solid 6 of 15 for 38 yrds…one sack for -10 and one scramble for 11
anyway….I admire your fortitude real.
In 2010 I was a pretty lonely voice telling everyone on here that Vick was just a mirage. You Vickscuse makers rained down with the hater/racist/homo barbs. But I stuck with my convictions, because I knew I was correct.
And now you’re doing the same, sticking to your “rah rah” Vick guns despite an avalanche of “he stinks” evidence in your face. More power to you.
We’ll find out soon enough if your faith in Vick will pay off.
Doubtful.
Foles week 8 or sooner. Done and done. He can’t do worse.
if Paulman is getting props for the Gilyard signing — Vinnie looks like a genius for blasting Vick all year —-
I might be one of the few still left in Vick’s corner after last week –
Songs — your boy Burfict made a nice special teams tackle on Monday night ( more than Brandon Graham contributed this week in the stands)
Burfict!!!