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Reacting To The Shock Of This Game

I don’t know what happened today.

I was ready to write about a solid Eagle victory. I was ready to compliment the team for fighting through another tough, grinding game to get a huge win over a playoff contender in the NFC. I was ready to praise Nnamdi Asomugha for his best game as an Eagle.

But instead I need to talk about another blown fourth quarter lead. I have to talk about a defensive coordinator who didn’t learn from his failures last week in Pittsburgh. I’ve got to talk about a vaunted pass rush that now hasn’t gotten a sack in nearly a month. I have to talk about poor playcalling in the most crucial moments of the game. I’ve got to talk about a quarterback that is still not interested in protecting the football, and continues to kill this team with turnovers.

Ladies and gentleman, this was without a doubt the worst Eagles loss of the season. A golden opportunity to go into the bye week at 4-2 slowly slipped away from this team in the final minutes of today’s game. Instead the Eagles limp into their off week at 3-3. They’ve now lost three of their last four games, and will be face the 6-0 Atlanta Falcons when they return in Week 8, and the New Orleans Saints in Week 9.

The wheels may not have come off yet for this football team, but they’re very loose at the moment.

Castillo And His Defense Blow Another Lead

Against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Juan Castillo’s unit only allowed 16 points, but fell apart when it mattered most, allowing Ben Roethlisberger to march his offense right down the field for a game-winning field goal. Castillo was criticized during the week for a much too passive approach. There was no creativity or aggression during the team’s final stand, as the Eagles four-man pass rush was unable to do anything to disrupt Ben’s timing.

When the defensive ends and defensive tackles aren’t getting the job done on their own, you have to help them out with a blitz. That’s very simple.

This week, the hope was that Castillo would learn from his mistakes in the previous game and provide a healthy dose of blitzes to aid a struggling pass rush. While the Eagles defense performed very well through three quarters, the pass rush was once again a non-factor. For the third straight game, the defensive line failed to record a sack.

There were some positives from the defense. Nnamdi Asomugha played a strong game, and had a big hand in limiting the damage that Calvin Johnson was able to do. The former Raider broke up a couple of passes, and came down with an interception in the first half.

However, any positives from this unit were all for not. The fourth quarter performance put a huge black eye on this unit that overshadows all of the good that they had done. The Eagles defense allowed 20 points in the final 15 minutes of the game. The lack of a pass rush allowed Matt Stafford to get in sync with his wideouts, and the Lions were able to move the ball at will in the fourth quarter and in overtime.

Juan’s defense is very simplistic. His approach seems to be to give his players the most basic of assignments, and hope that everyone can limit their mistakes. He plays not to lose, instead of making aggressive defensive calls to try and close out games.

Reid’s Playcalling Hurts The Team…Again

Playcalling is usually a pretty big issue when the Eagles lose a game, and today was no exception.

Andy Reid and Marty Morhinweg saw a weak Detroit secondary that they felt they could take advantage of. They made their primary focus to put the ball into Michael Vick’s hands as much as possible, and take as many shots down the field as they could. They wanted to try and reestablish this offense’s lost identity as a big play unit. Several years ago the Eagles were able to regularly rip off pass plays greater than 50-yards, but this year the deep passes have practically disappeared from the offense.

The two offensive coaches didn’t seem to realize that their offensive line just wasn’t up to the challenge of blocking a ferocious Detroit pass rush. Michael Vick had very little time to throw the ball throughout the game, and spent a good deal of it on the ground after taking some vicious hits.

The coaches were also unable to establish a running game, and gave LeSean McCoy just 14 carries. To give your best player such a limited amount of touches in inexcusable.

Reid’s team is now 3-3, and he’s got to do much a better job of putting players in position to succeed over the final 10 games if he hopes to remain the coach of this team for another year.

Offensive Redzone Failures And Lingering Quarterback Issues

Errors and missed opportunities devastated the Eagles today.

Offensively, the Eagles failed to capitalize on several redzone opportunities, and left eight points on the field while settling for a pair of Alex Henery field goals. Touchdowns put a game out of reach, field goals allow your opponent to hang around. By failing in the redzone again, the Birds kept the window open for the Lions to make a comeback.

Michael Vick also continues to kill this team with costly turnovers. Vick was guilty of two costly interceptions this afternoon. His interception in the fourth quarter helped spark the Lion rally in the final 10 minutes. And yes, Vick made his share of positive contributions, and he isn’t the most guilty party in the loss, but each week he continues to prove that he’s far from a great quarterback. I don’t care if your offensive line isn’t blocking well, a quarterback who truly belongs in the elite category finds ways to overcome his team’s issues. A great quarterback doesn’t regularly turn the ball over three times a game.

Vick has never been and will never be a quarterback in the class of a Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. He isn’t a guy that strikes fear into a defense, and makes the other players around him better. He’s an above average NFL starter that will perform as well as the talent around him. His wild inconsistency will produce a good number breath-taking, highlight reel plays, but all of the great plays he produces will be nullified by his reckless mistakes that he doesn’t appear seriously interested in correcting.

Quick Thoughts

  • Alex Henery connected on all three of his field goals, including a 49-yarder. He hasn’t missed a kick since Week 1.
  • Although I rip Vick pretty hard every week, I do have to give him a lot of credit for his toughness. The man does show a lot of heart after taking a beating every week.
  • Bryce Brown saw his snap count increase after LeSean McCoy injured his ankle. Brown had a couple of nice moments, including a play where he picked up a blitz that bought Vick time to complete a pass.
  • Speaking of the backup running back situation, what has happened to Dion Lewis? Once thought to be the clear number-two back behind McCoy, the second-year runner has been inactive for all but one game.
  • Strong game from Jeremy Maclin, who finished with seven catches for 130 yards and a touchdown. It looks as though he’s finally getting over the hip injury that has limited him for most of the season.
  • This offensive line has just been brutal. It’s more than just injury impacting this group, regular starters Evan Mathis, Danny Watkins and Todd Herremans haven’t been playing very well. No one on this line has been able to get any push on opposing defensive ends and tackles.
  • Terrible offensive pass interference call on Brent Celek. That cost the Eagles four points.
  • Another very active game for DeMeco Ryans, who led the team with 13 tackles.
  • Colt Anderson came in to play safety for an injured Nate Allen. I need to watch the game again to see what (if any) impact he had on the game, but it’s nice to finally see him get a shot to play with the regular defense.
  • Akeem Jordan made a nice play to force a fumble on Stefan Logan in overtime, but the Eagles were unable to capitalize as the ball took an unfriendly bounce right back into Logan’s hands.
  • It’s been an awfully quiet year for defensive tackle Derek Landri. I’ve seen very little from him in the first six weeks.
  • Riley Cooper made his return today, and caught two passes for 18 yards.
  • Maybe it’s time to activate Vinny Curry to give the front four some fresh blood? The current group just isn’t getting it done. Jason Babin and Trent Cole haven’t looked the same, Darryl Tapp and Brandon Graham have been quiet, and preseason star Phillip Hunt has fallen out of favor and seen his snap count fall dramatically. No sacks in three weeks means something has got to change.

Final Thoughts

I can’t stress enough how bad of a loss this was for the Eagles. You really have to question this team’s playoff chances right now.

The NFC is a very deep conference right now, and I don’t think the Eagles can get into the playoffs unless they win the division. Right now they’re one game behind the New York Giants, who hold a 4-2 record after thrashing the San Francisco 49ers.

There are many surprise teams in the NFC this year. No one expected the Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks, or Arizona Cardinals to be any good, and yet each of these teams are very much in the playoff picture with 4-2 records.

The Lions (2-3), Chicago Bears (4-1), Dallas Cowboys (2-3), and Green Bay Packers (2-3) are three talented teams that will also be in the hunt until the end. You also can’t forget about the New Orleans Saints and Carolina Panthers, a couple of teams with high expectations that are off to slow starts.

There are no bad teams in the NFC right now. Even the Washington Redskins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the potential to rise up and beat any opponent on any given Sunday.

The Eagles have very little room for error, and they’ve already lost the tiebreaker to Arizona and now Detroit. Andy Reid has a lot of work to do with this group, and he doesn’t have much time to get it done. But this is Reid’s time to prove whether or not he deserves to be the coach of this team. If he’s worthy, he’ll find a way to kick this team into high gear and save his job. If not, we’ll be looking at the end of a 14-year era.

We’re going to find out a lot about how legitimate this team’s playoff chances are in two weeks when the undefeated Atlanta Falcons arrive in Philadelphia.

Denny Basens is the editor of GCobb.com. Email him at dbasens@ycp.edu, and follow him on Twitter.

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paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 11:10 am

It’s over for this 2012 Season and the Future of Coach AR and QB VIck,
Time to Clean House, start anew and get an entirely new philosophy and schemes, this Team has become so predictable that it’s a joke anymore to see average Defenses Week in and Week out shut the Eagles Offense Down
Coach AR, MM, MUdd and DC Castillo, Washburn all need to go
Players like Vick,BAbin, & Asmo all need to go also.. I would trade/release them all and go with the Youth to see what they got for Tren COle, Todd Herremans and many others key players are not playing well either
Release Dion Lewis, Danairus Johnson, Darryl Tapp and get some bigger, more physical players who can actually contribute

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 11:19 am

When you do everything in your power to keep the other team in the game the entire day, these things happen. This inept Det squad should have been buried in the first half. God, they were doing everything they could to hand the game to the Eagles.

But again, when you keep giving the ball to the other team, they hand around….and when teams hang around, you can’t be suprised at 50/50 results.

Sometimes you get BS lucky wins (Cleveland, Balt, NYG) and sometimes the other team gets the win (Pitt, Det).

The great question is….

Are we closer to the team that’s 3 Vickstakes away from 0-6, or are we a closer to a team that, if the turnovers were cut by half (to the league avg), would be 4-2, perhaps 5-1??

mhenski
mhenski
October 15, 2012 11:41 am

Looks like the fluke wins have stopped. FUCK I hate this fat ass idiot walrus reid and Vick. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE BOTH YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 11:49 am

This Team is what it is, about a .500 Team and that’s all it ever will be,
This Offense is stale and become way too predictable as some of us have beein saying for a while now.. This is the time to make some changes to shake things up..
Offensively, Bench Vick for Foles, Bench Center D Reynolds for Vallos
Flat out Release RB Dion Lewis and WR/Returnman D Johnson, LT D Bell and activate and play both RB Polk and WR/Returnman Gilyard and OT R Kelley in place of these players who are contributing very little and really have no future as Eagles
Fire Special teams Coach Bobby April immediately and get rid of this damn not air-bag once and for all, replace with Zordich/Ike Reese
Fire DL Coach Washburn and scrap this Wide 9 Bull Shit which isn’t working and allows poor to average Rushing Teams like the Lions and Steelers the ability to gash the Eagles Defense

Trade DE Babin, DE Tapp and CB Asmo immediately for high Draft Picks
Activate and give more snaps to younger players like Graham,Hunt and Curry and see what play Boykin as an Outside CB Smith and move CB Marsh to Safety

This Eagle Team and especially Offensively, has no crispness, no sense of urgency and cannot seem to execute basic plays on a consistent level and it starts at QB..

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 15, 2012 12:09 pm

Well, told you.

This is to be expected.

Andy Reid is so predictable you can even script out the season.

Does this surprise anyone?

O.K. I’m going to help you guys a little but in order for us to know what’s going on with the team we must go back to last offseason.

This organization made us believe if they had a regular offseason with complete OTA’s that this team would have been a playoff team.

The fans said if the Eagles would have hired a competent defensive coordinator that team would have been a playoff team.

We’ve been hollering for a safety that commands respect in the middle for the longest and now we have no force in the middle of our defensive secondary.

Same issues yet redundant Andy don’t get it.

Teams will continue to lull this defensive coordinator to sleep during the game only to attack the middle of the secondary in crunch time.

We need real intimidating safeties for the last time with a real defensive coordinator.

Scrap the wide 9 and start Graham over Babin to see if he’s worth the pick before cleaning house next season.

That’s right…I’m talking about next season because it’s groundhog day.

Same problems.

Start Foles and use Vick in the wildcat…Vick performs better without security.

We know Reid won’t do this but we’re hoping there’s a coach on speed dial who see what we see and will come in and tweak this team for a run.

Watkins is a damn bum!

Bell is a damn Bum!

Evan Mathis is a damn Bum!

The center is a damn Bum!

We need to trade Babin and get a lineman…pick top offensive linemen in the draft and get the top free agent o lineman next offseason.

We’ll beat ATL after the bye and some will feel a glimmer of hope until we drop the next 2 afterwards….at that point we’ll be 4-5.

Well, “F” it already.

Lurie call up Chucky and let’s hire the Steelers linebacker coach for defensive coordinator.

I’ll enjoy the rest of this season seeing Andy sink, and hope beginning next season.

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 12:27 pm

Top Potential HC Candidates for the Eagles in 2013

#1) Perry Jewell (DC of the NY Giants)
#2) Bruce Arians (OC and Interim HC of the Colts) and from Harrisburg,PA and former Temple Coach)
#3) Mike Nolan (DC of the Falcons) and wants the Chance to be HC again, has done an excellent job on teams Defenses everywhere he’s gone)
#4) Dirk Koetter (OC of the Falcons)
#5) John Harbaugh III – 3 Year old Son of John II who has football in his genes and is already barking on formations and plays from his Playpen

jott1972
jott1972
October 15, 2012 12:32 pm

Paulman – disagree….Eagles need a young up and coming coach to add some excitement…I dont want any retreads or NFL assistants as we all know how well they made out the past 3 seasons….look at all the failures around the NFL..

The Eagles need to go the college route….Boise State’s Chris Peterson is a rising star and would give this franchise some energy and with Foles at QB can win us a title.

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 12:37 pm

Some College Coaches who could get a look/interview

#1) Al Golden from Miami and formerly of Temple
#2) Kirk Frenetz from Iowa
#3) Pat Fitzgerald from Northwestern
#4) Bob Stoops from Oklahoma
#5) Jay Paterno (for publicity reasons)

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 12:43 pm

I didn’t list any retreads Jott1972 (Maybe Mike Nolan since he had a HC positoin before) but all others are at Coordinator Levels with the aspirations to be HC in the NFL
You can add 49ers Special Teams Coach Brad Seely, Giants OC Kevin Gilbride, Cardinals DC Ray Horton JR, Bears OC Mikle Tice to my list also)

I do agree the Eagles will not go the route of hiring a ex-big name coach like
Gruden,Dungy,Cowher for today’s NFL Coaches take a lot more energy that when they coached and they are enjoying their Retirement from Coaching too much

I would look to Trade CB Asmo (to NY Jets), DE Babin & DE Tapp,
LT D Bell and stock up on Draft Picks for next Season and especially at OL, DL,LB,CB, Safety which are all areas the Eagles need to upgrade Talent

jott1972
jott1972
October 15, 2012 12:57 pm

Paulman – no offense, just saying I dont think any of the asst coaches you listed will be quality NFL coaches… I think the college route is where you will find the gems!

jott1972
jott1972
October 15, 2012 12:59 pm

Gruden sucks as a coach….dont know the obsession…he won with Dungy’s team, then destroyed it with bad personal decisions.

We need a fiery young coach like Peterson who reminds me of a young Dick Vermeil

jott1972
jott1972
October 15, 2012 1:01 pm

Here are my top 5 wishlist coaches:

1 – Chris Peterson, Boise State
2 – Chip Kelly, Oregon
3 – Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
4 – Bill O’Brien (PSU)
5 – Gary Patterson, TCU

All of them are a fit, would bring excitement and would fit well with Foles.

frankdialogue
October 15, 2012 1:09 pm

A .500 team at best.

‘A new broom sweeps clean’.

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 1:21 pm

It’s ok to disagree JOtt, but you originally stated that I mentioned “retresds” and clearly I did not, so I had to call you out of it..
I like your College List but 3 of them are not going anywhere, anytime soon
(Peterson,Stoops,O”Brien)
Chip Kelley will bring excitement his his dink-dunk, spread offense is too much like AR pass-happy schemes, We need a Defensive strong mined Coach in who develops strong physical Teams up front becase this is where the games are realy won and lost and right now the Eagles can’t pass Protect nor can the get after the opposing QB with any consistentcy bascically making all the “talent” at the Skill Positions a moot point and not able to utilize to it’s fullest potential..

jakedog
jakedog
October 15, 2012 1:33 pm

No gruden, hire a tough, defensive oriented coach, build a team that dominates the trenches, agree paulman, scrap the wide nine, pure gimmickry , Andy Reid is the king of foolishness, build a team in the model of our western brother that dominates with big, tough men, not skinny fastballs, get rid od djax, get rid of babin, a mike mamula retread, clean house…

Talongrip
Talongrip
October 15, 2012 2:27 pm

We have seen enough of this crap!!!! Blow this coaching staff up!!! Get someone in here that knows WTF is going on and a DC who understands how to stop an opponent late in the fouth quarter. Why would you ever stop Double coverage on the best receiver in the NFL????? #81 did nothing for three quarters and then our excellent coaching staff decides to change the coverage on him with the game on the line???? Our OL is simply garbage Tom Brady couldn’t survive behind this garbage. Blow this entire coaching staff up!!!!! Mercy!!!! Jefrrey Lurie Please if you care about the Eagles fan base give us Mercy!!!!

Everz11
Everz11
October 15, 2012 2:31 pm

I knew this game was over when on the 1st three scripted plays, none were to McCoy and the only run was a typical Eagles gimmicky reverse to D Jax in which he thrown to ground like a rag doll for a tremendous loss. This team is predicated on a gimmick D and a pass1st O, featuring a mistake/injury/turnover prone QB. For all the posters that try to call anyone on here out as a non-Eagles fan or a hater, this is why. Its the same thing every year. Square peg round hole, glaring needs that are annually ignored and terrible coaching. We’ve watched this movie for the last 14 years and we already know the ending.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 4:20 pm
Reply to  Everz11

I dont want to hear anyone call Vick injury prone…Did you see the hits he was taking while completing passes yesterday…he has done that week in and week out! Vick is one of the toughest QB’s in the NFL and its that simple!

So far all I’ve seen on here is negative post, from the usual suspects! Out here throwing temper tantrums, blaming the coaches and Vick…..

Yup, Celek didn’t have two drops yesterday…..one that would have been a first down and one drop in the end zone which should of been a TD.
Vick’s 2nd interception (his final turnover of the game) the Eagles got the ball back up 3 points, and Vick to Maclin for a TD…5 mins left to go in the game up by 10 points!

There was so much that I saw wrong with yesterday’s game OTHER than Vick, in fact Vick for the 5th time this season, put this team in a position to win the game…

It pisses me off that Vick is held at such a high standard, especially when the majority of you dont believe in him to begin with…You mother f’s gotta be blind if you can’t see the struggles of the offensive line yesterday, play calling and other players not named Vick inefficiencies.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 15, 2012 2:56 pm

Where is Navy? He might as well post now because this team under Reid will be lucky to win 50% of the remaining 10 games.

By the way…….why is our top #2 draft pick inactive?

Why is our top pick Graham who we traded up for over JPP and Earl Thomas, not starting?

Why did Reid build an offensive line designed for a 3 step drop QB like Peyton Manning?

What the hell have Riley Cooper done since he been here?

Questions, questions, and more questions.

This team have been in preseason mode since last season.

Pick an excuse….there’s many.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 3:02 pm

“I knew this game was over when on the 1st three scripted plays,”

Agreed. Though I wouldn’t have necessarily said ‘over’. I figured on another skin of their teeth win and a week long barrage of “its not how you start its how you finish!” BS.

The first 5 drives went: 3 and out, 3 and out, 8 and fumble, 3 and out, 7 and int

Review: punt, punt, fumble, punt, int

I really don’t think people on this board consider the mental wear and tear this offensive ineptitude takes on a D. Emotion is so huge in the NFL, where talent disparities are slim.

I understand the D have given up 2 final drives for FGs the past 2 weeks (and really 3 as NYG was in FG position on final drive too), but I don’t blame them.

Give the ball to Eli needing 40 yards for a fg – what do you think is going to happen?

Give the ball to Rothless needing 40 yards for a fg – what do you think is going to happen?

Give the ball to Stafford needing 40 yrds for a fg – what do you think is going to happen?

I mean, I expect those players to get their teams into FG range in those scenarios. 2 of them are SB MVPs who did that very thing in the biggest game of all. The other just came off a 5000 yrd 41 td season. Its what they do.

And they did on 2 out of 3 occasions.

The Eagles’ lack of success can be directly linked back to the offence’s ineptitude and propensity for negative plays, and worse, the continued handing of the ball to the other team.

You can’t be in that position over and over and over and expect good things to happen. And I don’t think you can drop “collapse” on the D. I think our D is beaten down mentally by the end of each game. And I suspect there’s a lot of grumbling going on behind closed doors with respect to Vick and the offence.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 3:29 pm

You guys are HILARIOUS.

SO…the dropped TD Pass by Celek. The OPI call on Celek that negated a touchdown. That’s 8 points right there that wins the game – and had NOTHING to do with Vick

The incompetent O-line but def the center who kept bobbling snaps and was responsible for the first fumble.

The second INT was a wash – the Lions got it back and it was a 3 and out and VIck hit Maclin – and then the DEFENSE turns around and let the Lions score a touchdown.

10 up with 5 minutes left and the DEFENSE FOLDS. Matt Ryan had 2 picks this past week and they won the game because of a pick six by Samuels. When is the last time an Eagles defender had a pick six? I’ll wait.

Eli had a 3 pick game a few weeks back and his defense saved his ass.

But I guess VIck is the only QB that’s supposed to carry the team to victory on his own with no help from his O-Line or Defense – and when he DOES that (see all those fourth quarter come backs this year) it’s not him – but the defense bailed him out.

Wha?

Riddle me this Batman why the HELL would MW call plays that require a 7 step drops no one underneath (well Celek was close but he was wrapped up tight) when your QB has been getting KILLED all game.

The O-line is such a problem now that the run game is stalled. There was NO WHERE for Shady to run. NO WHERE. ‘Cause Lions were in the backfield as soon as the ball was snapped. But I guess that’s VIck’s fault to.

The biggest fault with this game was NOT offensive failure (though the OT play was atrocious) it was a defense that could hold a darn 10 point lead with 5 min left. Hold them to a freaking field goal and voila they win.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 4:10 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Great post!

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 3:39 pm

With a 7-9 2012 Record, I look at the Eagles 2013 Draft something like this
as of today, based on need and talent

1st Rd (#15) OT Jake Matthew (Texas A&M – 6-5 305 lbs)
2nd Rd (#47) CB David Amerson (NC State – 6-2 195lbs)
3rd Rd (#79) SS Robert Lester (Alabama – 6-2 212lbs)
4th Rd (#111) DT Josh Boyd (Miss State – 6-3 300lbs)
5th Rd (#143) OLB Devonte Holloman (South Carolina 6-2 241lbs)

Then I see Eagles adding another OL,TE and WR in a last couple of Rounds
I hope they Trade a couple of players who are just not getting it done and may return a mid-round Draft Pick like Darryl Tapp, Jason Babin or even a Jason Avant for I don’t believe players like Dion LEwis, Clay Harbor, Demetress Bell, Casey Matthews, Riley Cooper will bring any Picks in return since they basically have shown very little in their Eagle or NFL Careers to this point
HAve to start thinking if GM Roseman is tied to Coach AR and does LUrie bounce both of them and hire a an experience GM who will then Hire the Head Coach, or does LUrie keep GM Roseman and let him handle these Duties.. Could be very tenuous times for the Silver & Green

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 4:27 pm

Paulman I’ve never seen a “fan” root so hard for his team to lose. With fans like you who needs Cowboys or Giants fans.

lol

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 4:33 pm

“10 up with 5 minutes left and the DEFENSE FOLDS.”

Interesting.

Who had the ball with 3:20 to go…Det with only 2 timeouts. One firstdown and its game over. Instead 3 and out that left Det with 2 mins.

Who got the ball first in OT and went 21 yards backwards?

Vick (and the offence if you must) did what he does best. Spent 55 mins doing everything in his power, from botching snaps, to having the ball hit him in the face, to throwing picks, to heaving up another in the grasp airball to keep the Lions in the game.

You can’t be suprised, that at some point, if you keep giving the other team opportunities, they’re going to cash in on those opportunities.

The only reason we’re currently 3-3 is because Cleveland is inept, Coughlin had a brain freeze and Flacco is Flacco on the road.

Det – Averages 28pts/game going in…we gave up 23 in reg

Det D gives up 28/game avg going in. We scored 23.

We’re now the 2nd lowest scoring team in the league. We are #1 in turnovers. Blame the D

And while you’re going on blaming the D, we can all watch the TV cameras zooming in on Mr. Sulkypants slumping on the bench 8million times over the last 10….Just as long as he wears his hat so he has just the right amount of tilt (did anyone else see him do that little adjustment after putting on his hat…gotta look just right I guess….)

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 4:46 pm

First I let me apologize to those that will read this post…. for I will not be respectful toward Vinnie on this response!

@Vinnie you dumb fuck! you are so blinded by Vick and act like a woman scorned when it comes to him! you..you talk so much out of your ass, that we can see your tonsils! You are a Vick hater and will do anything say anything to bash the man!

Lets get real here:

The Vick turnovers did not cost the Eagles the game! After the last turnover Vick committed the Eagles still went up by 10 points! Yes if Vick didn’t turn the ball over, maybe the Ealges win…..How about earlier in the game, Celek drops? one for a TD and one for a first down….Vick’s fault? could those catches have changed the complexion of the game?

The Lions had a Turnover of their own…I also assume you blame Vick for Reynolds mistakes snapping the ball too, right? that was Vick’s fumble too, right?

Vick had little time to throw all damn day long, that’s Vick’s fault? Vick was getting hit over and over again while getting hit and completing passes and getting back up!

How about McCoy not staying in bounds when the Eagles had the ball with 3:20 to go….Eagles ran the ball after Shady failed to stay in bounds and the Suh made a very good play! Thats right defense does make plays! Wish our defense would of made a play like that in the last 5 minutes…

The Lions scored a TD within a 2:30 min stretch….is that good? THE EAGLES SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN OVERTIME! dont you see that!

Also do you notice the play calls in the OT and the possession after the Lions scored the TD in regulation….7 step drops, what happened to the options underneath that worked well in the 2nd half up until then?

Yea of course your ignorant ass would only see Vick’s mistakes, the play calling was exceptional at the end of the 4th quarter and OT…You are one of the stupidest posters on this site and that is saying a lot…cause there are a lot of stupid mother f’s on here!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 4:47 pm

Blame the Defense!! (when its the only thing keeping the Eagles’ competitive)

From Grantland’s “Hidden factors for winning in the NFL”

Redzone:
And, likewise, the teams who haven’t been able to execute in the red zone are the disappointing units you would expect. Cleveland sits at the bottom of the table, having converted on just three of their measly nine trips to the red zone, an average of 3.33 points per trip. Just ahead of them are the struggling offenses of Seattle (3.71) and Kansas City (3.77) and the offensive line injury haven of St. Louis (3.91). Finishing out the bottom five are the league’s most famously disappointing red zone offense and their nemesis; the Eagles and Cardinals have identically produced five field goals and seven touchdowns on 16 red zone trips this season, producing an average of an even 4.0 points per drive.

If you’re wondering why the Cardinals have been able to hang on despite that poor performance in the red zone, well, just flip the coin to defense. There, Arizona’s allowed just four touchdowns and six field goals in 14 drives, producing a league-best average of 3.28 points per trip to the red zone. Philadelphia is fourth in that group (3.68 points per drive), partially explaining their ability to stay afloat in difficult situations this season, but this is another spot where Tampa Bay (3.71 points per drive, fifth) looks to be better than people realize. The 49ers have discovered that it’s better to just keep teams outside of your most difficult-to-defend area; they’ve faced just six red zone possessions against them in five games, and while they’ve allowed a league-high 6.33 points per possession on those six possessions, that’s a meaningless sample size. The real worst red zone defense in the league belongs to the Bills and Chargers, who each allow a whopping 5.64 points per red zone trip. With those teams’ respective abilities, that’s a title they should be competing for over most of the season.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:06 pm

Redzone…a dropped TD by Celek and a pass interference in the redzone, two seperate possessions in the REDZONE ……All Vick’s fault?

Vinnie, you can talk all you want, fact is you dont know the game of football..you are so critical of one player that you dont see anyone else mistakes….you watch the games looking at Vick and Vick alone…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 4:59 pm

The turnovers didn’t cost the game. My ass.

There is more to a football game than you think. There is emotion. There is energy….and its a lot more important than you believe it is. Do you not feel the energy leave the stadium after each fuckup? Do you not see the shoulder’s slump? Do you not just feel another round of “not again….”

There is time of posession. There is momentum. (After Det scored the TD they had all the momentum. They were rolling. Our offence must go out and win the game there. Can’t put the D back on the feild – reeling – when Det only needs a FG. And what did they do? 3 and out. Game over right there because everyone in the stadium knew what was coming next)

BTW – And don’t get all excited about the pass to Maclin that any high schooler would have made. Vick does what he does. Good play. Bad play. Play that makes you go “wow”. Play that makes you go “oh for fucks sakes…”.

Can’t win like that in the NFL. Can’t. Can’t win with the master of keeping both teams in the game. Can’t.

Oh…and the ball in the face fumble was on Vick. He’s in charge. He starts the count.He’s the Veteran.

BTW – You can bring up the McCoy out of bounds, the moment you acknowledge that Vick did the same stupid thing vs the Giants.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:01 pm

energy? Vinnie you are a dumb ass! you dont think the energy was high when the Eagles went up 10 points? Give me a break! you are just talking to talk!

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:03 pm

Vinnie Vick is a QB, who the coaches/fans all have said not to take a hit and to get out of bounds….Vick vs the Giants he got out of bounds instead of being hit! Also the Eagles won that game, so what are you complaining about….
But how about Vick staying in bounds against the Ravens?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:00 pm

If you recall last week I blamed Vick for the loss, not the defense….his turnovers were crucial in the Pitt loss….Not as much this week and the scoreboard with 5 mins to go, reflects that! I’m not like you, I dont like to blame anyone..But if I had to choose, yes I would say the defense folded! allowing a drive of 70 plus yards in under 2:30 mins is unacceptable….

However yesterday, totally different story.
There is a big difference of having a 1point lead going down the stretch opposed to a 10 point lead…you should just shut the fuck up, cuz all you are concerned about is Vick….US REAL EAGLES FANS KNOW THERE WERE MORE THINGS WRONG IN YESTERDAY’S LOSS THAN THE QB!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 5:05 pm

BTW – do you only watch the 4th quarter of the games? Its all you seem to care about. Like nothin else matters before that point.

Oh…and the first fumble was at the Det 29…3 pts there might have come in handy.

Hand pts to the other team, or take pts away…..keep that other team alive!

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:10 pm

Vinnie did you watch the 4th quarter of the game?
Did you notice the play calling? did you notice how McCoy couldnt gain a yard when he was handed the ball on mutliple occasions…
Also I noticed that the Eagles went up 10 points in the 4th quarter because of a pass from Vick to Maclin….

All your comments are about what Vick did….how about an evaluation on how the defense did not do what a defense is supposed to do with 5 mins left to play…..and that being get a stop and hold onto the lead!

you’re talking about points that might come in handy….you still haven’t responded about Celek’s dropped pass for a first down, or Celeks dropped TD pass in the endzone, or Celek pass interference call….how about those points, your talking about a FG, in two possessions in the redzone to Celek I’m talking about TD’s!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 5:16 pm

2nd and 7 at the 29. FG available. Turnover…….keep Det alive.

1st and 10 at the 48. Interception. Do you know that NFL teams that get first downs at that feild position score over 60% of the time? Keep Det alive.

(on top of the fact that this team just looks downright embarassing. I mean its bad enough when a snap doinks off the QBs face….but then for it to happen again a couple plays later….its just embarassing.

Do you know that we’re the 2nd lowest scoring team in the league? Blame that Defense!!

Act completely suprised when a team with a high powered offense actually scores points on you. Weird huh?? Who could have guessed.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 5:22 pm

So the center bobbling snap after snap is the QB’s fault?

Really?

Energy? So you missed them high-fiving each other when they were up by 10 points int he 4th – but they were SOOOOO deflated.

The Maclin TD any high schooler could make? You were the one saying VIck couldn’t read defenses or the blitz he’s been doing both rather well…that TD to Maclin was proof.

SOOOO…when he does things right it’s because a high schooler could do it. When other people do things wrong, it’s cause he didn’t do it right.

LOL. Okay Vinnie. You and Paulman should be best buds.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:22 pm

This is what I get for arguing with the selectively ignorant!

No one if blaming the defense for being the 2nd lowest scoring team in the league….in fact the Eagles scored 23 points yesterday, which would actually rank them higher if 23 points per game was the average for the season!
Again, the defense did not make a stop…They gave up 10 points in under 4 mins! But I guess that is acceptable and good in your eyes! only offense wins games! you’re a clown!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 5:25 pm

The 1st celek drop was roughing the passer so it didn’t matter.
The drop in the endzone was what it was…you can’t count on every catch…he’s usually pretty reliable catching the ball….so I’ll give him a pass there because it was unusual for him (and that’s the diff isn’t it – Vick doesn’t get a pass because stupid plays are the norm for him – his playing bad is not unusual – its expected – and he lives up to his expectations – in spades!)

…the pass int was ticky-tak. call, but we were given the benefit of the one in the Balt game so they even out.

BTW – of course there are other things wrong with the team. That’s obvious.

And at this point there has to be a change. There’s no confidence on this team right now. No one “believes” in Vick. Probably not the coaches either. They can’t.

Sure they might admire how tough he is, but he’s playing terrible footbal. Terrible. He’s bottom of the league. Good God if Kolb had been playing like this he’s be strung up on some light standard on Broad street.

Do you agree that there needs to be a change? Of course you do.

So what will it be? It isn’t going to be the coaching staff…so who then? You think making another change at Special teams LB is going to send the message?

This offense is disfunctional. They don’t score popints. They turn the ball over on average once a quarter.

How could you not change the QB in that situation?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:47 pm

Vinnie unfortunately you can’t have it your way!

you brought up the ineffectiveness of the Eagles offense in the redzone, basically blaming it on Vick….
how can you give Celek a pass on that? Eagles came out with 3 points instead of 7 due to the miss…
the same as the PI….
you are the one that wanted to use Eagles redzone effeciency as a point of emphasis….its only fair to emphasize what really happened in the red zone!

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 5:25 pm

@Real

He’s not going to talk about Celek’s (2) dropped TD passes or his dropped 3rd down pass because it doesn’t fit into his narrative that it is all Vick’s fault.

A min of 8 points that CELEK left on the board handed to him on a platter by his QB BUT a missed FG because of a bobbled snap is the reason why the Eagles lost up 2 scores in the fourth with 5 minutes left lost.

LOL. Okay.

There’s a rule ’bout arguing with fools.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 5:28 pm

That’s my line. Come up with your own.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 15, 2012 5:37 pm

I’m taking your line….its mine now! Thank you!

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 5:37 pm

LOL Really Vinne? That’s your line. LOL.

Okay dude.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 6:04 pm

Does the team need a change or not? You good with the Status Quo?

Of course not. Everyone knows there must be a change.

Where then? Backup LB not going to cut it anymore. Coaches aren’t going to be fired.

Completely inept offence.

27th in pts. 31st in pts/game. 4th worst in redzone. 1st in giveaways.

Inept.

But the QB is all good eh?

A QB who is:

26th in passer rating (ahead of only 4 rooks, Hasselback who is 58, Sanchez and Cassel)

24th in comp % ahead of the same crew + Fitzpatrick and Newton

3rd in ints (behind Wheedon, Cassel, Romo and Dalton – at least he’s thrown 12 tds)

1st in fumbles….and 1st in fumbles lost.

Completely inept. Dregs of the league kind of numbers. Those numbers suggest playoffs to you? Supe? Fuck, they’re not even remotely competent for NFL QBs

At what point would you consider a change at QB?

When he drops to 28th?

1st in turnovers not quite bad enough??…lets see how really terrible it can get.

At what point?

This team is 8-8 (max) with this clown at QB. Guaranteed. And we all know at this point that he’s gone at the end of the year.

So what then….keep on rolling I guess? That your solution?

Good times all around.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 6:16 pm

Name a game the Eagles lost BECAUSE of Michael VIck?

Pitt – I’ll give you that for the sake of this argument – though they had a lead in the fourth.

Arizona? That was piss poor play across the board on both side of the ball.

The team is 3-3 – if they had a negative record going into the bye you might have a point. But the teams biggest problem isn’t Michael VIck no matter what numbers you want to quote.

The BIG problem with this team offensively is the Oline and MW’s playcalling.

Put Foles in and see what happens. He looks like Kolb did behind the line when he played for the Ealges and how he does now behind that atrocious Arizona line – on his ass anytime they play a good D.

But I know it’s all on the QB – when they lose and in spite of him when they win. I’d like you more if you were actually consistent with your criticisms. You know QB gets the glory when they win – and all the blame when they don’t.

Giants lost how many games last year? Eli had the highest INTs in the league how long ago. Yet they are just ONE game ahead of us – one.

I know put in the rookie QB and the Eagles will be saved.

paulman
paulman
October 15, 2012 6:23 pm

Vick sucks, Put iN FOles and start playing for the Future
Also Release Dion Lewis, Clay Harbor and danairuis Jackson
Elevate RB C Polk, and go activate and TE and WR

Defense, trade DL Tapp and Babin and Activate Curry and Start Graham to find out if he can play of not and substitute Hunt..
Relwease MAtthews and Activate ryan Rau,
Play Curtis Marsh at Safety, Move Boykins to the Outside CB and away from the slot where’s he simply ios not big enough, let him play out in space where he can utilize his speed and leaping and ball hawk skills but not covering players across the middle in high traffic areas.. this experiment has not ben working and teams have targeted him all season long and now he’s lost his confidence.. Moev him to the outsdie where he belongs nad maybe you can salvage a 1/2 Season so he doesn’t have a terrible Rookie Season
Move Kendrikcs to WIll SPot and Chaney to Sam, then Draft a new bigger SAM LB next Draft

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 6:38 pm

Yes. Put the rookie QB in behind an atrocious line where the center can’t even snap the ball properly.

Play for the future indeed – Carr anyone?

And who plays for the future? The goal is win games NOW not later. But yeah. Let’s tank the season. I wonder when Eli dropped 4 games in a row last year was there all this talk bout a backup QB coming in and saving the day.

Only in Philly boy I tell you. Only in Philly.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 7:40 pm

As I’ve mentioned several times before, I believe all you Vickpologists will be pleasently suprised at how quickly the oline improves the moment Vick is no longer the QB.

If not now….. Then when?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 15, 2012 7:44 pm

Oh…btw TSJ…when the \giants lost 4 str8, there was a lot of talk…mostly about Coughlin being fired, but also about benching Manning.

That being said….talk about replacing a SB winning QB when he loses 4 str8 is a little different than talk about replacing a qb who has….well he’s….umm….he’s….well, what has he ever done exactly?

Oh ya…he had a big game on MNF once…

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
October 15, 2012 9:36 pm

LOL.

The Oline will approve quickly because they won’t dial up 7 step drops and stretch plays and run PA when they haven’t established the run and run the ball more, and max protect….oh wait…the things they do now when they actually score points and win games.

Foles = Kolb behind our line. Or hell Kolb behind his current line. But Arizona has a mean ass defense…something we don’t.

jakedog
jakedog
October 16, 2012 3:55 am

Where is tat Pom Pom waving bitch navy?

jakedog
jakedog
October 16, 2012 3:57 am

A few more losses and he is finally zipped