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Report: Roseman Helped Reid Sign Washburn

Jeff McLane of Philly.com reports that Eagles GM Howie Roseman encouraged Andy Reid to hire defensive line coach Jim Washburn.    Roseman was impressed with the success of Washburn during his time with Jeff Fisher and the Tennessee Titans.

After Fisher was fired by the Titans, Washburn was let go as well and therefor available, so Roseman encouraged Reid to move quickly to sign him to a deal.

In making this move, Reid broke some of the rules which had helped him build a winning tradition with the Eagles in Philadelphia. He had never hired  a defensive line coach before hiring the defensive coordinator.

His first signing as a head coach back in 1999 was the signing of defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.

He signed Washburn right after the 2010 season and after he had just fired defensive coordinator, Sean McDermott.  So he had Washburn his defensive line coach under contract before he had signed a defensive coordinator, thanks to Roseman.

It was a mistake which I’m sure Reid and Roseman regret, but they won’t say so publicly.

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1977
1977
December 4, 2012 11:59 am

when were arguing back and forth about who signed who . u know the regime is over.. its been a circus since castillo was fired. actually since he was hired.

Stevo
Stevo
December 4, 2012 12:04 pm

Im loving this…. hopefully they are both let go.

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 4, 2012 12:19 pm

That makes everybody feel better, but this goof just got handed a new deal. Beautiful just freakin beautiful.

slick1
slick1
December 4, 2012 11:25 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

That’s because the Eagles are unfortunate enough to have a completely clueless and wimpy owner who leaves all of the details to others who have shammed him into believing they know best.

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 12:38 pm

this report means nothing..Coach AR with 15 Years experience is not going to rely on Wet behind the Ears Roseman for much of anything and particualrly on who should be on his COaching Staff..
COach AR and Jeff Fisher go back a long ways and Coach AR has always liked the “get after the QB at all costs which fits right into Washburn’s Coaching Philosophy and his Wide-9 Scheme..
Roseman had little to no impact on AR’s decision to hire Washburn..
The Hiring of Washburn & Mudd was a Packaged Deal in my opinion
They were both out of work, both long-time combantants from the COlts/Titans Days of playing each other Twice every Year and had a mututal repsect for each.. Wadhburn helped AR get Mudd to come out of Retirement and to join the EAgles as well.. Roseman probably never even heard of Howard Mudd until Andy announced the HIring …
This Coaching Staff is and was Andy Reids Call all the way, no doubt about it.. I do think Coach AR wanted to have Castillo more of a Position Coach (LB) at gfirst, but since he couldn’t bring in an experienced DC since few very would want to work with Washburn’s high risk-high reward style and Wasburn’s “My way or the Highway approach to Coaching ” which Left AR little choice but to have his long-term pal and servant, Juan Castillo to take the DC Position and do the best he could do…
This is my take on how things shook out in the Off-Season of 2010 which we now see the results now as a complete disaster and the assemble of the dysfunctionable group of Coaches

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 4, 2012 1:58 pm

Paulman your leaving out the part where Roseman and Wasburn’s agent are good friends so trust me he did a little arm twisting.

haveacigar
haveacigar
December 4, 2012 3:04 pm

You are also leaving out the part where Andy was in love with MUDD and wanted him out of retirement and MUDD said its a package deal he wanted to work with wash

bsmvideos
December 4, 2012 3:04 pm

So?

The buck stops at the Fat Man. Glad Jeffrey Loser told you to start the kid.

He also told you to get rid of washburn so he can see if Bowles can do a decent job of defensive coordinator. And McCoy might stay on the shelf so somebody can teach Bryce how to carry the football. (somebody call tiki barber).

Good bye Andy. Somebody in philadelphia, buy a extra copy of the enquirer when Reid is fired. I want to frame it next to my divorce papers as the 2nd happiest day of my life. LOL.

bsmvideos
December 4, 2012 3:12 pm

A rumor the philly papers printed is that Andy Reid will go to coach Dallas.

Please. Pretty Please with sugar on top, let that be true. His predictable play calling and lack of a running game will be the easiest offense to prepare for. Romo will go down before they finish 8 games.

Please let Andy be the next coach of Dallas.

slick1
slick1
December 4, 2012 11:27 pm
Reply to  bsmvideos

This will be a sure two wins every season.

bsmvideos
December 4, 2012 3:13 pm

Also Andy will trade out of the first round and let us have the pick for a future probowler. It will be Christmas all over again if Andy Goes to Dallas.

bsmvideos
December 4, 2012 3:15 pm

mike florio nbc sports Reported Andy to Dallas.

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 4:06 pm

Not so fast Biglion
Even Washburn’s former Boss (HC Jeff Fisher) had grown tired of his antics and when taking the St Louis Rams Job, offered the DC Position to Greg WIlliams instead which
left Washburn without many options .. Most DC’s do not agree with the Wide-9 as a Base Scheme…
Coach AR’s call the whole way.. .Roseman has little influence if any on Reid,
Reports have stated that they (Reid & Roseman) even hardly talk much…

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
December 4, 2012 4:52 pm
Reply to  paulman

But in your post above you noted “Coach AR and Jeff Fisher go back a long ways ” Implying that coach Reid talked to Coach Fisher abt Washburn
and ok’d the hire

But here you say “Even Washburn’s former Boss (HC Jeff Fisher) had grown tired of his antics ” ????

which one is it ????

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 4:57 pm
Reply to  Gotta Luv It

Both

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 4, 2012 5:28 pm
Reply to  Gotta Luv It

Facts never get in the way of a good paulman post.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
December 4, 2012 4:10 pm

Lies paulman! Lies! They’re talking in the picture!

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 4:12 pm

It was photo-shopped by the former Director of Communications and one of the Reasons he got canned… ha ha

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 4, 2012 4:18 pm

LOL

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 4:18 pm

Unfortunately, this is the type of garbage we Eagles Fans have to talk about for the next month as everyone in the Eagles Front Office and Current Staff play
the old , “Save your Ass” mode of operation… I will expose all of them from
Lurie, Roseman, Andy Reid and Staff to even down to the damn Cheerleader Coordinator who tried ruining my Fall of 2012… but I will not allow to make this happen and get the last laugh on this sorry ass organization….

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 4, 2012 4:23 pm

Sad but true paulman sad but true.

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 4:49 pm

Reports are that Owner Lurie has requested from the Mayor the Cancellation of this Years Mummer’s Parade due to the Termination of Andy Reid on MOnday 12/31/2012.. Mayor has gone to the Mummer’s Club who came up with a Compromise plan
The Mummer’s Association has Agreed to Wear “Andy Reid” Customes as part of their “Funny Brigade” and will actually allow Andry Reid be a Judge for the large String Band Competion..
More Details as I think of them…

BigE
BigE
December 4, 2012 6:45 pm

All of the Eagles big mistakes are bubbling to the surface, showing just how
inept they really are. This regime is enough to make you puke. Reid is done.
Roseman is a pansy with no eye,ear or nose for talent. Why does this always happen to the Eagles? Because of the cummulative
effect of several bone head
moves.

EaglesSuck
EaglesSuck
December 4, 2012 6:47 pm

Lets get into the good stuff. The 2013 draft. The Eagles can go in a ton of directions. So here is how I see it.

Nnmandi is going to still be here in 2013. You dont just dump a guy who was known to be the 2nd best corner in the league a year and a half ago. Im sure the new coach will try to work out the kinks with Asomugha and give him another shot in a different system that more fits his play style HOWEVER DRC will be the man out. So with that said….

With the 4th pick in the 2013 nfl draft the Philadelphia Eagles select. Dee Milliner Bama.

daggolden
daggolden
December 4, 2012 6:51 pm

that is a easy answer. The Eagles draft the best impact player at any position besides RB. Offensive Tackle, Dline, LB, Safety, TE, WR, CB it doesnt matter. Best impact player on the board.

EaglesSuck
EaglesSuck
December 4, 2012 6:57 pm

The offensive line needs depth not starters. Your starters are already in tact for 2013. Jason Peters, Todd Heramans, Jake Scott, Denise Kelly, Evan Mathis, Jason Kelce. Thats why I dont see them taking a OT in the 1st round. There is no safety in this draft worth a top 5 pick as that leaves, Corner, DT, LB or QB.

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 4, 2012 6:58 pm

Absolutely plug and play Daggolden, everywhere except rb and d line.

EaglesSuck
EaglesSuck
December 4, 2012 7:02 pm

Daggolden then that man would be Manti Te’o. Demecco Ryan God bless him he is a beast but he cant cover shit.

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 7:22 pm

My pick as of today assuming a couple of Factirs
1) Jason Peters returns and passes all tests/physicals
2) Eagles Re-sign RG Jake Scott
Now OL has from L to R (Peters, Mathis,Kelce,Scott, Herremans)
Back-up are Kelly, Watkins, Reynolds then Draft another OT and Guard in the middle Rounds

With this done, I then Draft LB Mante Teo’ and play him at the Sam Spot
And Keep Ryabs at MLB for 2013 (on passing downs, I slide Teo’
In the middle and pull Ryan’s out), by 2014 Teo’ becomes the Starting MLB
As Ryan’s turns 30.
Meanwhile I shift Kendrick’s to the WILL Spot giving the Eagles with a LB of
Ryan’s,Teo’ & Kendrick’s which would form into a very good LB
Teo’ is 6 2″ 249lbs and can probably get to 255lbs rather easily

2nd Round & 3Rd Rounds
I grab the highest rated DT or CB or Safety on the Board

I look to Trade Asmo,C Jenkins, J Avant and Tapp for some additional
Picks in the 2nd thru 4th Rounds or package them with a Draft pick to move up into these Rounds

DCar
DCar
December 4, 2012 7:22 pm

Thus, another reason why, the gopher needs to be $#!T canned!

nev856
nev856
December 4, 2012 8:21 pm

probably the first of all the head scratchers was drafting kolb in the first place ( swapping picks with dallas ) its just puzzling some of the inept decisions he has made

paulman
paulman
December 4, 2012 9:19 pm

Shane Victorino signs a 3-Year $39 Million Deal with the Boston Red Sox
RHP Pitcher Dan Hare. Signs a 1 Year $13 Miillion Deal with the Washington Nationals and will be their 4th Starter

jott1972
jott1972
December 4, 2012 9:58 pm

The circus is only going to get worse…..word has it that Roseman loves Chip Kelly and sees him using then speed the eagles have on offense to be successful…another Steve Spurrier…..

And Paulman- Teo is going to be a bust!

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 6:56 am
Reply to  jott1972

spurrier is a good comparison to chip kelly. have you seen spurrier in the nfl? chip kellys gimmick offense will not win on the next level. david shaw or gus bradely please

EaglesSuck
EaglesSuck
December 4, 2012 10:25 pm

Jott slap yourself. You are the first man I ever heard say Te’o will be a bust. No freaking way.

Chip Kelly sucks.

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 7:48 am

Te’o will be a monster in the NFL like another Junior Seau
Look how well Luke Kuechkey is playing for the Panthers and is 4th overall in the NFL in Tacles and has taken over MLB from Beason for them
And Te’o ‘ is more athletic and Stronger than Kuechley
He is only 1 of 3 Defensive Impact Players in this Draft in my opinion
DT Star Luluteilu, OLB Jarvis Jones and Te’o

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 8:08 am
Reply to  paulman

jones had a terrible game against bama last week. he seems to much like what we already have. straight rusher never paying attention to the run..i like teo but what about joeckel or matthews? you think dennis kelly or todd herremans are the answer at right tackle?i think we need a cant miss ot and then a safety.I think we have to draft for need this year. OT, FS,SS, CB

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 5, 2012 8:49 am
Reply to  1977

Alabama blocked the hell out of Jones last week sending two blockers at him most of the game.

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 7:54 am

I look around the NFL Defenses the last few Years and its Teams with great LB Corps that have risen to the Top
Packers, Ravens,49ers, Steelers, Bears, Seahwaks all have better LB Corps then let’s say great DL
Only the Giants have won with subpar LB but in games their DL are handled, they get torched for 30 Pts

A LB Corp of Ryan’s,Te’o & Kendrick’s would be a good old over
Play Te’o T SAM, Kendrick’s at WILl and keep Ryan’s at MLB for 2013

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 5, 2012 8:48 am

Jarvis Jones is the best player in this draft period.

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 9:58 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Maybe so, but would u take him if youre the eagles? a 3-4 pass rushing linebacker when the obvious need is ot and saftey? i know thats too high for a safety but i would take joeckel or teo over jones

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
December 5, 2012 9:10 am

A version of Chip Kelly’s offense is being ran in New England
this is why I love Bill Belichick he plays chess while others play checkers
Belichick has learned that if it’s going on in college, then it’s coming to the NFL. That’s the talent pool, and you should accentuate the strengths and minimize the weaknesses of that talent.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
December 5, 2012 9:48 am

New England is not running Chip Kelly’s offense.

NE has adopted 2 components from the offense…pace of play and how playcalls are sent in from the sideline, both adopted to speed up pace of play and get the offense more snaps and opportunities to run plays.

A good idea if you have a prolific offense.

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 5, 2012 11:56 am

New England has Tom Brady then can run any offense they want until they play the Giants.

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 12:07 pm

if I am the Eagles at #3, #4 or #5 and have the Choice of OT Joeckel and LB Teo’. I am going with LB Teo’s who will make an impact right away and can replace Ryans at MLB by 2014 and become the Leader of the Defense for the next 10 Years. There are some other Good OT’s that can be had later in the Draft but a Stud LB who will be the face of the Defense for the next 10 Years only comes once in a while.. Eagles need 3-4 Playmakers and Impact Players on this Defense for right now, they have Zero of the them..

Stevo
Stevo
December 5, 2012 12:39 pm
Reply to  paulman

after looking at it more… im with you.

Biglion821
Biglion821
December 5, 2012 1:23 pm

Your right paulman they have no difference makers on defense, they cannot go OT with a top 5 pick.

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 2:18 pm

#1 teo
#2 vaccaro
#3 OT sounds good to me
We’ll see about teo. i heard alot of talk about burfict on this site last draft and he’s not the star alot of people thought he would be.. lavonte david was the better prospect

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
December 5, 2012 4:39 pm

Burfict was not a heisman finalist and NEVER showed the heart nor physical ability that Teo does.

Don’t compare the two.

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 5:27 pm
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

i dont read too much into the heisman. but his physicality was definitely up there with teo’s .. i think teo has much better awareness. His int’s are a good example of that. But, he is being slightly overrated because of the team he plays on.go check out some of his game videos, not highlights, but just scouting videos and youll see what i mean

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 5:25 pm

As of Today- the Top 5 Draft Picks for teh 2013 NFL Draft are as Follows

#1) KC Chiefs (2-10) – Select QB Geno Smith (WVU 6-2 220lbs)
#2) Jax Jaguars (2-10) – Select DT Star Lotulelei (Utah 6-3 320lbs)
#3) Panthers (3-9) – Select OT Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M 6-6 305lbs)
#4) Raiders (3-9) – Select DE Bjorn Werner (Fla State 6-4 260lbs)
#5) Eagles (3-9) – Select LB Manti Te’o (Notre Dame 6-2 255lbs)

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 5:32 pm
Reply to  paulman

i like it… why do u think the panthers will take joeckel though? their defense is terrible.

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 6:31 pm
Reply to  1977

For Panthers To Protect their Golden Boy, Cam Newton
They have gone thru 4-5 RT’s over the last 2-3 Seasons and LT Jordan Gross is getting up in age and doesn’t have much time left.. If DT Star Lotuleile were avaialalbe for the Panthers, I could see them grabbing him,but if he’s gone than I think they go OT though OLB/Pass Rush Jarvis Jones from Georgia could be their Pick or even the Top CB Dee Milliner from Alabama but they but they have drafted quite a bit of DL & Secondary Players the last few Draft’s and really need to OT help (as a lot of Teams do)
Joeckely is a Day 1 Starter at RT and eventually replaces LT Jordan Gross within 2 Years

pdiddy
pdiddy
December 5, 2012 5:30 pm

, I think david lead the league in tackles and he is only a rookie so yeah we missed the boat on that one.

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 5:35 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

Dont we miss on every defensive player since this coach took over lol

pdiddy
pdiddy
December 5, 2012 5:34 pm

I like Matt Barkley a lot but I guess I am in the minority on that one. He wasn’t healthy this year which caused him a lot of his struggles but if I were the eagles If I could get back into the first round some how and grab him that would be great.

DCar
DCar
December 6, 2012 5:13 am
Reply to  pdiddy

Not for a top 5 pick I don’t! Are you nuts?!? He isn’t a franchise changer!

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 5:48 pm

I think Barkely drops a little and the Arizona Cardinals will grab him with their 1st Round PIck somewhere around the 8th – 10th Selection

I don’t think he has a big enough NFL Arm — he’s lists at 6-2 230lbs but is more like 6-1 and I think a little bottom heavy and not real quick on his feet as far as extending plays.. If Given Time, he’s very accurate on 25 yeards and in.. The Arizona Cardinals OL may be the only one worse than the Eagles this year.. They have ben brutal for a couple of Seasons now, except wehn the play agaisnt the EAgles, then they look like a bunch of All-Pros like the other Teams..

pdiddy
pdiddy
December 5, 2012 5:56 pm

Good points on Barkley Pman, I just think the eagles need more at quarterback than just Foles. More competition just in case Foles don’t work out. But I like your pick of TEO

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
December 5, 2012 6:12 pm

Edwards is Foles competition. If Foles tanks, Edwards should be able to at least help us keep our heads above water until the organization selects their next “franchise” QB.

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 6:19 pm

Paulman’s 2013 Eagles Draft assuming No Trades (Paulman Mock # 2)

1st Rd (5th Overall) LB – Manti Te’o – Notre Dame 6-2 255lbs (Starter at Sam Day 1 and eventually moved to MLB in 2014/2015 once Ryans moves on)

2nd Rd (#37th) OT – Lane Johnson – Oklahoma 6-6 305lbs (Starting RT from Day 1, Herremans competes at Guard Position,eventually takes over at LT for Peters in a couple years)

3rd Rd (#69th) Safety – Kenny Vacarro – Texas 6-1 218lbs (Starting Strong Safety from Day 1 Replacing Kurt Coleman)

4th Rd (#101st) CB – Jamar Taylor – Boise State 5-11 200lbs (Nickel Back in 1st Year, Best Cover CB on the Board and very well-Coached)

5th Rd (#133rd) WR – Chris Harper – Kansas State 6-1 228lbs (4th/5th WR in his 1st Season, but will move up to #3 by 2014 after the Departures of Maclin and Avant) and evnetually be a solid #2 WR in the NFL who is strong,can leap with very good hands and an excellent down the field blocker and tough enough to make catches in traffic and the red-zone and could be one of the steals of this Draft

6th Rd (#165th) DT Josh Boyd (Miss State – 6-3 300lbs) Former teammate of Fletcher Cox, A good Run Stuffer and will make squad as a 4th DT and help mostly in Run Support/Short Yardage and Red-Zone Defense

7th Rd (#197th) TE Michael WIlliams (Alabama – 6-5 272lbs) Was used mostly as a Run Blocking/Short Yardage and Red-Zone Threat for ALabama but don’t be fooled by his size, as he caugh 21 Passes for 200 yards and 3 TD in Alabama’s Offense which does not utilize the TE very much and would be a nice addistion to the Eagles as their OFfense becomes a more Ball-Control rushing attack behind RB’s McCoy/Brown and could be very effective in 2 TE Sets in Short-Yardage/Red Zone situations

1977
1977
December 5, 2012 7:00 pm
Reply to  paulman

thats a damn good draft. i dont know if we’ll be able to get vacarro that far down though. he’S projected to go in the second round, and hes the number one saftey in this draft class

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 6:24 pm

Edwards is signed thru 2013 Season and will be Fole’s back-up for 2013 as next Summer Camp Starts, I am sure they will bring in another young QB or 2 for Summer Camp Reps but it will be Foles/Edwards #1/#2 barring any injuries
and Remember that with a new Coaching Staff and new System that they implement, they (the New Coaches) are goign to want FOles/Edwards get as many Reps as possible at the Spring/Summer OT’A’s by Camp Time..
(this will be Fole’s 3rd new System in 3 years (his Senior Season at Arizona , this 2012 Season with Eagles, whatever System/Coaching Staff in that is in Philly in 2013)

Stevo
Stevo
December 5, 2012 7:53 pm

Pman…. more and more Im loving that draft.

paulman
paulman
December 5, 2012 10:15 pm

Does anyone know if the Eagles already have additional Draft picks this year with past trades.. They usually have some additional mid-late Rond picks from previous trades from previous deal last Draft day I couldn’t find anything out on Eagles.com (which is not surprising)

daggolden
daggolden
December 5, 2012 11:26 pm

The Eagles have all thier draft picks minus thier 7th, but recieve a unconditional draft pick from Denver for Brodrick Bunkley. Its believed to be 6 or 7th. They also have a 7th round pick from the Colts for Greg Lloyd and Moise Fokou. They have to give a 7th round pick to Cleveland for David Sims. .