Early this morning, Eve Grant of the Dallas Morning News reported that the Philadelphia Phillies and Texas Rangers are in “advanced talks” about a deal that would sent veteran third baseman Michael Young to Philadelphia in exchange for a young, major-league ready reliever.Texas would also cover more than half of Young’s $16 million for the coming season.
If a trade for Young does come together as Grant described it, it’s a nice deal for the Phillies. Young is 36-years old, and on the downside of his career, but he’s better than what the team’s current options at third base (Freddy Galvis and Kevin Frandsen). In an offseason where few options are available to upgrade third base, the Phillies would pick up a serviceable veteran that helped Texas go on a couple of deep playoff runs in the last couple of years, and they would also add a righthanded bat into their batting order.
The biggest concern with Young is his age. At 36, he’s at the point in his career where his numbers aren’t likely to improve much, and his body may not be far from breaking down. The Phillies’ previous third baseman, Placido Polanco, started to breakdown at age 34 when the Phils acquired him, and he was completely cooked last season when he turned 36.
Young posted decent numbers last season, hitting .277 with eight home runs and 67 RBI’s, but those statistics were a sharp decline from his 2011 season when he enjoyed a great season hitting .338 with 11 homers and 106 RBI’s.
To acquire Young, the Phillies would need to part with Justin De Fratus, Josh Lindblom, Michael Schwimer, or Jake Diekman. The Rangers are searching for a young reliever ready to pitch in the major leagues, and these are the guys who fit that description that would be most likely to be involved in the trade.
I’d be OK with this move…if the Rangers are covering most of the contract, and the Phillies only need to part with one of the relievers mentioned above, then why not? He’s only under contract for this season, I think its a nice low-risk move.
The only reliever mentioned I wouldn’t want to see them part with is De Fratus…but Lindblom, Schwimer, or Diekman? Not much of a loss there.
Lindblom isn’t a great fit here, he’ll give up a lot of home runs in Citizens Bank Park…Schwimer we’ve seen enough of to know that he’s nothing special…Diekman has some potential, but he’s not untouchable.
Rangers are willing to eat 11 million, he hit .250 with RISP, 8 hrs, 67 rbi, 27 doubles, 33 walk, 312 OBP hes 36 with a bad back. The Rangers are trying to win a WS so they are moving Young.
I don’t like this move because of his age. It can come back to backfire on us but it can also be a prize if he plays up to 2011 standards.
one year stop gap- not giving up much. in 2011 he hit 338 with 106 rbi- i’ll take 3/4 of that!
What do the Phils have to give up to get him is the deciding factor to me..
I am sure Rangers are looking for Bullpen and Young Arms in Return,,
I would not give 2 or 3 Good Prospects, maybe a Stutes and a single or Double AA Arm but that’s about it..
a low level prospect and someone from last years bullpen.
A young reliever is what there looking for,not a injured reliever.
Give them whatever they want for him. Third base needs to be addressed.
Trade them Linblom, who was a major disappointment I thought
and never seemed comfortable Pitching for the Phils last Season..
Freddy Galvis to shortstop, move Jimmy Rollins to 3rd and go get Ryan Luwick for left field and he is the right handed bat who will hit 30 hrs for you. Im definetly not giving up a young relief pitcher in Justin De Fratus who throws 96 and stikes for a 1 year stop gap.
Jimmy Rollins is head and shoulders way better a defensive SS than Galvis and so much faster and can cover more ground —– Rollins is one of the games best and Galvis is not even average on defense
I forgot about Ludwick being out there and avaialable .. He’s would hit some bombs at CBP and plays a decent enough LF with a strong arm, though he doesn’t move all that well which you can get away with playing LF and again couple probably play a little 1B to give Howard a rest here and there
Rollins at 3rd.. I am not sold on Galvis yet as an everyday SS,
yes he played well at 2B filling in for Utley, then with his injury and then Susupension he now has to start over so I am not ready to annoint him an as everyday player. Chances are he will open the Season at 2B as Utley probably won’t return to May sometime would be my guess..
dag when they signed jimmy to 3 years i kind of assumed that would be the direction they’d take.
Ben Revere from the twins. a young bourne–24 years old
Beat me you bastid!! LOL!
**Jusr acquired OF Ben Revere from Minnasota. 24 years old, 290, 0 HR, 70+ Runs, 40 SB.**
WHOOO HOOO! Start the parade floats. What happened to the power, & run production, we were supposed to get? This is telling me Booben is starting to go rebuild mode.
he projects out to score more runs than bourne! this is getting young guys to fit in with the geezers! this is what we want! i haven’t heard what we gave up but i predict worley.
Worley & May. Too much for a punching Judy hitter. WTF Amaro. Another Lefty, & ZERO power! He better be Bourn Jr.
he will– look they are going to rely on ruff for 30 hr. they have to . you yourself have said they have to get younger- they are trying to stay in the hunt while at the same time get younger. .300 hitter that can swipe 40-50, score 100 and cover cf. is 24 under team control till 2018. may had a 4.38 era last year. you know how pitchers are…man you never know!
Worley was traded
and Phillies #2 prospect Trevor May
Minnesota has an incredible lack of quality pitching throughout the organization and one area where the Twins have good depth is the outfield, where former first-round pick Aaron Hicks could be ready to become the starting center fielder at some point in 2013. Revere is very fast and very good defensively, but he has zero power and a fairly limited overall upside, so if the Twins feel Hicks will be ready soon anyway it makes some sense.
Revere has tremendous range in center field that more than makes up for perhaps the worst arm in baseball and he’s capable of swiping 50 bases at a good clip, but he may never hit an over-the-fence homer and through age 24 he’s hit .278 with a .319 on-base percentage and .323 slugging percentage. For years he’s been compared to Juan Pierre, for better or worse.
5’9″, left handed, no power, no arm. BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Better call the EMT’s, I think Booben is having a stroke!
I updated my Predictions for Phils to Finish in 4th Place in the NL East
#1) Nationals 96-66
#2) Braves 91-71
#3) Mets 84-78
#4) Phillies 81-81
#5) Marlins 59-103
Read it and Weep as the Entire City of Philadelphia as well as it’s Sport Teams goes thru a Rebuilding Program for the remainder of the Decade..
DCAR- there are other ways to score runs. This team sorely needs someone that can get on base and someone who hits around .300 fits that mold. Trading Worley and May is not rebuilding. Trading Lee is rebuilding.
Revere will bat 2nd and then take over the leadoff spot when J Rolls D runs out.
It will be interesting to see if they are satisfied with Cloyd and Kendrick being 4/5 or if they would go after another SP like Marcum, Edwin Jacson, etc.
don’t waste your breath bugs. car and fraud are idiots.
Who are you calling an idiot, you F^#@ING know nothing @$$PUPPET? If theres other ways to score runs, who’s knocking them in? I proved your clueless @$$ wrong all last year. I told you, I forgot more about Baseball, than you even known. Are you actually excited for this move? Now if Booben actually adds a right handed OF, power bat maybe. Young don’t excite me either. Another has been.
Stop worshipping at Booben’s altar, & get his beanbag out of your mouth. Everything he does, is gold to you. It’s mind-boggling, nauseating.
Ruf and Howard are the power. Which one of the power hitters available do you want?
Hamilton for 5-7 years and 20+ mil per year.
Swisher for 3-5 at close to Werth money
Upton- no chance because the Phils don’t have the pieces that Ariz wants.
Who else is there?
Worley will be a 4th/5th Starter Type for the rest of his Days and was another 2011 1-Year Wonder like Stutes/Bastardo were..
I heard the only Difference between Revere and Pierre is that Pierre’s throws take 3 bounces to reach the cutoff man while the younger Revere’s throws take 2 bounces…
Why not Bat Revere Lead-Off from the get go and slide J-Ro to #2 in the line-up
J-Ro is a a Switch Hitter, and will still pop 20-22 HR’s and if Revere can get on obase often, then J-Ro has a big hole on the Right Side to hit thru …
Not to avert from the Michael Young debate but Ben Revere? Another left handed bat. Even if they get Young RAJ better be working on a corner right handed hitting outfielder with power. Ross?, Ludwick? If this is what they gave up for Revere, Willingham is definitely out of range. Very disappointed.
Where do you think he is going to get 20-22 hrs. He has never even approached those numbers. Left handed bat? Really? Please. What has the talk been since the summer ended. Right handed power!
For all this you should of kept Worley and May and resigned Pierre for 1 year. He was MVP IMO for Phils last year behind a PED filled chooch. Then waited until next years FA market.
Next years is worse dag. Booben blew his load, by F^#@ING up royally, last off-season
I think the Rangers will want a catching prospect also. I would hold on to DeFratus and try to steer them to any of the others, even Bastardo, he has lost something.
Great move by Amaro getting Revere…. May stinks and Worley is a #4 at best.
We get a legit leadoff hitter who will hot for a high average and steal 50 bases….
Young gives them a leader on and off the field…solid and will be an upgrade at 3B…. next move for Amaro is the bullpen….
Another dope. Have you even seen May pitch, or even heard of him. He was ranked our top pitching prospect, in the beginning of the year. He struggled this past season a bit, with control. He still has good stuff, with a high upside & Worley is a good, young, middle of the rotation starter. WTF are you talking about?
You know more than me? Hmmm played and coached all my life, played football at div IAA until I was concussed, although they called it bell rung, then walked on in baseball and played two years in college… A good one! Then coached hs baseball for 32 years, football for 31 and hoops for 16. You are just angry you like to come on here and talk about your nuts in a dudes mouth, homosexual issues I’m sure! If you ever really were in a locker room you were they guy looking at the other players cocks apparently
Yeah right! You know nothing moron! You didn’t coach $#!T! If you did you would know WTF you were talking about. You are a F^#@ING hypocrite! You come on here all of the time with the name calling, calling people frauds, idiots, etc, etc, & now you insinuate someone is a homo, for calling you out, for being Boobens but muncher, & ball slurper! Please, you F^#@ing liar, you coached nothing. Maybe that concussion you sustained, gave you irreversible brain damage, because you don’t know WTF you are talking about & do quite a bit of talking out of your @$$. Along with Paul & a few others, proved your pom-pom waving @$$ wrong all last season, all the while, you still worshiped at Boobens altar. BTW, I played Baseball from when I was 6 until I was 30. I played College BB for Temple, was looked at by few teams, but had to quit college because life throws you a curve ball here & there, & had family responsibilities to take care of. I worked for the Phillies & at Vet stadium, from 1988-2002, put myself through school. Also I’m happily married for 22 years to a beautiful Woman, with 4 kids & 2 Grandchildren. You don’t know me, & I can care less about your fictional accomplishments either, because I don’t care, & that’s nobodies business, as is my life’s accomplishments. People that actually accomplish things, don’t brag, & have some humbleness & humility. 2 qualities, you clearly don’t have! I live a great life, have zero regrets, & get a kick out of morons like you, trying to pump up your own life, with putting down, others. I come on here to talk sports, vent my frustrations with the other REAL fans, that actually have a clue. You see roses & rainbows. We see the truth & reality. You don’t know Baseball, you don’t know business, 7 with your ongoing comments about this team, you know nothing. Maybe you ought to take the same stance on the Phillies that you do on the Birds. So before you come on here spewing your lies, & know nothing BS, go back in the basement where you belong, because you are a clueless, classless, @$$clown. You come on here & act like you know more than everyone, with your condescending attitude, & if someone with a clue, that can actually see reality, & facts, disagrees with you, you call them frauds, idiots, etc, etc! Go get an MRI on your brain, because apparently, the onset of dementia is setting in. OH & GFY!
High average? Where do you see that. Steal 50 bases. Charlie doesn’t steal! Arm is average according to what I have read. Still disappointed. Not convinced.
agree — Charlie is a long ball coach not a hit and run coach
To Phillyfan, I meant that Phils should Slide J-Ro to #2 in the Battin Order who will can hit you 20-22 HR’s.. Not Revere, Let Paul Revere bat lead-off to set the table.. J-Ro is not a good Lead-Off Hitter and with the SPeedy Paul Revere at 1B and the threat to Steal and the 1B holding him at the bag will give a bigger hole for J-Ro to hit thru and also most Fastballs to see when batting which is a big benefit to him as a Hitter
Paulman, Revere’s OBP is not great. Charlie’s game is not stealing. Charlie is so stagnant in his approach to the game. He is like his players not changing their approach to the plate. It is one way all the time. Very disappointed. No one is convincing me this was good a good deal.
Please Young as a leader? He is not going to be a leader on this team. If Rollins,Howard and Utley are not the leaders then Young certainly is not the answer in the leadership category. We also talked about getting younger. Young is 36 and not a strong defensive player for 3rd base.
Charlie Manuel won’t See June 25th in a Phillie Uniform anyways,
maybe Sandberg likes this kid and will play more small ball,stealing bases,hit and run,etc,etc…
paulman,
I know you are trying to convince me but by June 25th with this lineup the Phillies will be so far out of the race it won’t matter if Sandberg takes over. The Nats will bury this club not just hitting wise but pitching. Worley for whatever any thinks about him he was a good 4 Starter. Halladay we do not know what is going to happen there. Kendrick I am not sold on.. So after Lee and Hamels there is question marks. And now he gives up the #2 pitching prospect in the organization along with his 4th starter for a guy with no power, terrible OBP (319) and an average arm. You are talking about Charlie being gone, RAJ will need to follow if this is the best he is going to do. Revere, Young and now he will need to get himself a serviceable starter because Cloyd or Pettibone is not the answer. 8th inning set up man? I can hardly wait to see what gem he pulls out of his hat. I gotta go to work. I know I will have a better day than Ruben had. Geez.
Very unimpressed, & disappointed thus far, but not surprised! Golden boy is still at the helm!
Revere doesnt walk.lol His on base percentage is terrible. He isnt setting the table for anyone. He walked 29 times. 29 times all year. Is that even possible? With a OBP of .333. For as fast as he is he had 13 doubles last year? wow.
Sources Report the NY YAnkee’s offer 3B Kevin Youkliss $12 Million for a 1 YEar Deal (remember Ar-d out to July and maybe longer)
I keep readding Daggolden state the Phils are now like the YAnkees and Red Sox and don’t Rebuild anymore, that they reload…
So far this Off-Season , Phils have Re-signed 3b Fransden,
Acquired a RHP for the Bullpen and CG Paul Revere from the Twins…
Dag do you now understand the Difference of Philosophy’s of the Front Offices and Ownership between the Tanks/Red-Sox and the Phillies..
Yankees probably don’t really want to spend $12 Million for Youkliss, but knowing that A-Rod is out for 6 months, they do what they have to do to portect their Leadership in the AL East..
I do not see the Phils Organization with this same mind-set and am not sure how you continually say the Phils are with the Big Boys like the Yankees and Red-Sox, because they are not..
Red-Sox blew up their Team last Season and traded some big contracts and dead $$$ and poor Attitudes and are now reloading..
It’s pretty bad when Pierre & Damon have better arms than you. Way to go Booben! 5’9″, another left handed bat, ZERO power, & a singles hitter. What a circus our teams have become. Thank God hockey is starting Xmas. Maybe the Flyers can give us something to smile about? It’s only been 37 years!
A Source from Minnesota (yes that’s right, it’s Stevo) just Tweeted
that Ben Revere is going to legally change his name to “Ben Vereen II” and will wear “BVII” on the back of his Jersey… Where’s Amaro finding these guys..
LOOOOOL!!!!!
Booben is going to do nothing but add stop gaps & complimentary players again, & hinge his hopes on Howard & Utleys, phantom, non-existing, finding of the time machine, fountain of youth, & Lourdes healing spring! F^#@ you Booben!!!!!!
that’s pretty good paulman, but seriously, this BVII hasn’t hit a single home run in his major league career, the twins have a better cf prospect in Aaron Hicks, who can run,and pop in his bat, phillie gave up alot to get a young version of Juan Pierre
I have never seen Revere play —
he doesn’t have a good arm? How bad is it? Dykstra bad?
Johnny Damon bad!
The British are coming! The British are coming! GTFOH!!!!
Ruf is too slow to cover much ground and is a 1st baseman not an OF
Brown is too clumsy to catch anything
and Revere needs a cutoff man to get the ball to the infield
Jake, if this guy turns out to be a young Juan Pierre, then the Phils got a steal. Look at “young” Juan Pierre’s stats.
You will like him. I dont go to many twins games but i get to a few. This is good for BOTH teams. How often do we say that? I like this trade for 2 reasons and i dont like this trade for 2 reasons… let me explain.
1. Young, positive, future leader, bright, talent. He will give you his all and seems to be very coachable. He is coming from a bad bad twins team and will add some fire.
2. This young guy will give pitchers fits on the corners. They will HAVE to watch him…. hopefully leading to mistakes.
not crazy about….
1. Giving up worley when perhaps both the guys we traded could have been used for something bigger,
2. This cant be it right? He will not be the missing piece to the WS puzzle and IF they were to stop here that would be the expectation. We still need a bat and some relief pitching. Sounds like the YOUNG trade will happen any sec tho.
hers what we are getting….
Great CF for our D… wont give up much. BUT.. has a weak arm. No HR’s to speak of but has serious speed on the bases. He will turn many singles into doubles and be a great addition in the locker room.
Stevol, I have never seen Revere play — MLBdotcom lists him as a RF — you are projecting him as the Phils 2013 Center Fielder?
on the way back from the winter meetings would someone check (Amaro) on Ryan Howard’s weight and Body Fat
for 25 million they might want to make sure he shows up to camp in respectable condition not 350 lbs and puss spewing from his ankle like last year
To the reports of him having a terrible arm: I read on MLBtraderumors that he led the twins with 8 outfield assists from CF. Not a astronomical amount, yet sufficient enough.
Top 10 fastest guys in the league.Wont make mistakes in center. .294 hitter with good hitting coach could hit .300-.315? No?Frank22 spoke to his arm and that does sound sufficient.
Based on this move the Phills have no shot now? There not done.
Some of you guys come across like such no it all bozo’s.Paulman chief suspect. Picked Braves 5 straight years or Nats or whatever and when hes finally right we gotta hear,as ive stated,i predicted and every other self promoting comment.
Where else we gonna get center fielder help? Bourne?Stop…he’s old and would be overpaid.Give this kid a chance.He doesnt walk much and that is fixable with his age.
Young doesnt care where in the lineup he bats ,just wants to play.And i trust him at third over Galvis(whos a drug test fail waiting to happen).
Eagles0sb’s …you know nothing abot Revere…sounds like your throwing sh!t at a wall and seeing if it sticks.8 assists isnt top shelf..but its not garbage.
@eagles- He played CF most of the time here in MN. He made his amazing catches as a CF. He will be our CFer. The phills for sure could add more to the outfield but i would say that we have our CF.
About his arm…. i dont really watch that much twins baseball but my buddies say his arm is getting stronger but its not as strong as you would want from your CF.
Stevo — since you’re out there, you saying you like the kid? Good pickup?
I like it because he’s young and has plenty of room to grow. If we sign Hamilton for one of the corners, this will be a great move instead of just a good one.