A Return To Form
Just a couple of days ago, we saw the Eagles play one of their strongest games of the season. Mistakes were kept to a minimum, Nick Foles took a major step forward, and the defense played with a little intensity.
On Thursday night, we hoped to see the young Eagles build off of the momentum they’d gathered from the come-from-behind victory over Tampa Bay. Unfortunately, what we saw was a return to the fundamentally flawed, mistake-prone football that we’ve had to deal with throughout the season.
When this team checks out, they turn to dust almost instantly. The Eagles actually played the Bengals pretty tough through three quarters, but completely imploded during the final stages of the game and allowed the Bengals to score 24 unanswered points.
The Eagles continued to have issues protecting the football, turning the ball over five times. Jeremy Maclin began the game by fumbling away the football on the first possession of the game, setting the Bengals up for an easy touchdown. Running back Bryce Brown continues to have issues securing the football. Brown’s fumble in the fourth quarter that was returned for a touchdown served as the knockout blow that ended any chance of the team coming back. Quarterback Nick Foles also had his share of issues protecting the football, throwing an interception and losing a fumble.
The Eagles have had all kinds of terrible special teams breakdowns throughout the season, and Thursday’s game was no exception. On fourth down of the team’s second drive, rookie receiver Marvin McNutt was driven straight back into Matt McBriar’s punt, setting up Cincinnati for a field goal.
Right before the blocked punt, the Eagles also had problems getting the right players onto the field. Somehow, tight end Clay Harbor wasn’t aware that he was needed on the field to be with the punting team. How does a breakdown like that happen? It’s an indictment of how disorganized and poorly coached the team is.
The Final Nail In Andy’s Coffin?
After the Eagles played like a respectable football team on Sunday, there was a bit of fear around the fan base that Jeffrey Lurie could be convinced into letting Reid play out the final year of his contract if the team won their final three games and Nick Foles continued to make significant strides.
If there was any legitimacy to that school of thought, it can be put to bed for good after last night’s game. The Eagles took another embarrassing loss on the national stage, with a stadium that was almost completely empty by the start of the fourth quarter.
Reid’s playcalling during the team’s two redzone possessions in the first half was terrible. No team in the league uses four receiver sets on the goalline more than the Philadelphia Eagles. Even though the offensive line has been an issue throughout the season, you’ve got to at least give them an opportunity to the pound the football into the endzone from short range. Or if you really have that little confidence in their ability to run block, you’ve got to think of something a little more creative than the shovel pass that you’ve used for over a decade, and seem to rely on every week.
There’s no escape for Andy this time. Clearly the team hasn’t responded to his message throughout the season, and no amount of improvement that the team could make in the final two games will be enough to keep him from being fired.
Quick Thoughts
- After making positive strides in his first two starts, Nick Foles had a rough outing against the Bengals. Foles completed just 18 of 34 passes for 182 yards with a touchdown and an interception. He made some nice throws, but struggled to get the ball downfield at times. There’s no reason to get down on the rookie after this performance. Consider this game as just part of his growing pains. It’ll be interesting to see how he performs against the Washington Redskins, a team that he really struggled against in his first start of the season.
- It’s hard to imagine Clay Harbor back with this team next year. Although he’s got the physical ability, he just hasn’t been able to put it altogether after being in the league for three years. He’s a decent receiver, but a poor blocker. The fumble late in the game was inexcusable.
- Very active game for Jamar Chaney, who finished the game with eight total tackles.
- Colt Anderson was solid again in his second start. Anderson had five tackles, and also broke up a pass in the endzone. He doesn’t have the size to hold up through a 16-game season, but he certainly looks like a nice third or fourth safety who could capably fill-in for an injured starter for a short period of time.
- The defensive lined proved that they don’t need the Wide Nine gimmick in order to generate sacks. The defensive line had their best week of the season, picking up six sacks on the night, and forcing two fumbles.
- Brandon Graham had another strong game, notching 2.5 sacks and forcing a fumble that led to a turnover.
- Fletcher Cox recorded 1.5 sacks.
- Cullen Jenkins played his best game of the season, recording a sack and forcing a fumble.
Final Thoughts
It’s a shame that the good feelings from the Tampa Bay game have been erased so quickly.
Thursday’s game was a long, painful experience for Eagles fans. Actions speak louder than words, and the completely deserted stands in Lincoln Financial Field said it all about how fatigued this fanbase is of the coach, the team, and the culture surrounding them.
The Eagles don’t play again for 10 days, and right now that’s a mercy.
Team/Franchises need lots of changes, this is no 1 Off-Season or Draft Class Way from being a Contendors in the ever improving NFC Conference
I expect a couple of rough Seasons ahead for this Franchise
They first need a “Football Savy” Front Office who knows and has demonstrated a “winning philosophy”, team first, physically tough that plays an entire 60 minutes of football each week that is disciplined, focus and plays with a sense of urgency. Then have a Coaching Staff that teaches this values,schemes to its players Anne then have a Roster of Players who can execute these schemes and play for one another. It’s a tall task and won’t be accomplished overnight, but it has to start with a competent, well thought out plan from the Front Office/Pres of Football Ops and the GM or it will not happen no matter how many “Pro-Bowlers” they sign from other Teams
It starts with the Draft and Roster Management, which to be honest has sucked the last few years under AR/Roseman/Banner and that’s the reality that this Eagle Fan sees the State of the Franchise
Amazing how every Eagles fumble bounces right to the other team
You would think once in a while the ball would bounce to an eagles player
Things to be thankful for ….empty seats at the Lincoln financial center…empty cash receipts for eagles paraphernalia and jerseys ..empty hearts from fans ,who for the first time in deacades root for losses to mount in hopes there’s a light at the end of the dark tunnel and prayers that the team doesn’t play well by showing a glimmer of hope ,thus convincing Jeffrey to blame injuries to dream team,and bring Andy back under these false pretenses.Let’s be real …we had 14 years to achieve a Super Bowl ,we’ve had one trip to the ultimate game and came up short.Teams in the NFl have had more stability than this one ,especially evident this year ,with Banner leaving,Sensing the end was near and wanting to let the focus and spotlight land directly on Andy.The holidays are here ,let’s be joyous that a new regime and philosophy will now transcend the old brand of Eagles football.Im not buying that we can make an honest assessment of Foles behind a patchwork line,no legit number one receiver ,no starting running back ,no starting tight end and a coach who constantly admittedly has to do a better job…let’s start anew ….start with the top of the organization and let’s return to the ROCKY blue collar smash mouth ,not in my house mentality that once was the trademark of our great city…to all a blesses peaceful safe holidays…
Disagree paulman, put back in the lineup the 4 missing o lineman, celek, draft big, fast wideout, add shady to mix with brown, and foles develops like you projected him, you have a playoff offense
I agree that the defense has more issues, but graham now a presence, cox develops. Draft another linebacker, cut Nnamdi and drc, shore up safety and the corners through the draft, that may be a process, so I would trade djax and maclin for draft picks
With the right coach, another good draft like last years, you can have a young playoff team next year
Jake , if you cut Nnamdi, and DRC, Who do you want to bring in to replace them? There are no pro bowlers, or impact CB’s in Free Agency this year. Unless you make a trade for a Darelle Revis, or a Charles Tillman. You may, MAY! have to let 1 of them go, but one of them will be here next year.
A couple guys that play hard every week will do…
But I agree though its tough to replace both of them…DRC is the guy to keep, because at least his ability is still there, its a just a matter of the next coaching staff finding a way to keep his head in the game every week.
Nnamdi is cooked, plain and simple.
You don’t necessarily have to sign a Pro-Bowl caliber guy in free agency (the Eagles just tried that with Nnamdi, it didn’t exactly work out), there will be guys out there in free agency (and the draft) that can do a good job, its just a matter of whether or not the front office will have a qualified individual making the final call on what players the team brings in…
Good to hear from you Denny. The CB crop of this years draft is weak, most of them should play special teams for a year, or two before you would consider starting them. The only one that may have a chance is Xavier Rhodes, of Fla.State, or Jonathan Banks of Miss.St, who I watch get torched religiously by Alabama.
Of the CB Free Agent Class, who would you bring in? There best bet to getting IMPACT, would be to trade for shut down corner. Your right we dont necessarily need a Pro Bowler, but we do need impact. The others that you refer to, as guys that play hard may be, talent wise, just as big of a liability as Nnamdi is. So who would you bring in to replace him?
And I agree that DRC, has to be the keeper, maybe a coach like Fangio will bring out the best in him; He has so much ability, it would be a shame to let that go.
But just because they tried to sign an impact CB Free Agent doesn’t mean they should try to do it again if they can get the right one. Who knew Nnamdi was done? But it was the right move at the time.
doesn’t mean they SHOULDN’T try again, if it’s the right one.
Thanks gmcliff!
Yeah, the list of free agent corners for the coming offseason is a pretty ugly one, but there’s a couple of guys that could help.
Aquib Talib may be an absolute headcase, but there’s no doubt the guy can play….Tracy Porter is playing on a one-year deal in Denver, and he’s had a pretty decent year. He’s certainly better than what the Eagles have. One other name I like is Quentin Jammer from San Diego. He’s an older guy and would probably be a one-year stopgap, but he’s still got some quality play left in him.
Pman.. im not so sure. I do think it takes 2 years till we can talk about going deeo but there is talent on this team. The oline will be solid as a rock when they get back the guys and when they run and use quick passes next year. The wr core coukd use a starting big man but i think even without that they should be ok.
On d…. we will need a solid draft and a vet here or there but i think we have some tools to work with.
I am not that optimistic about the clubs immediate future
I see a mediocre WR & TE Corps whose best players best years are ow probably behind them (D-Jax/Celek) and then basically #3/#4
Type of receivers on the squad
At QB, Foles has shown promise but will take a year or two before really blossoming and who knows what kind of new system and schemes the next HC & OC will bring to the Team, so it’s a Start-Over and will be Foles
3rd New Offense in 3 Years to learn and grown into which he has the smarts/ability to do so, but never the less, it will be a new system for him, the OL and if course the Receivers too
Now Defensively, the Secondary is a mess in my opinion
And probably will have 3 New Starters on it (Safety & CB)
DT and LB depth and size/strength need to be addressed plus 1 more bigger DE and then we have the issue of a new system by the new DC
And Coaching Staff to implement so bottom line,
A new Coaching Staff with a new philosophy and schemes with provably
10-12 Veteran players gone adds for a rebuild process which takes time
There will probably be 15 new players on this 53 Man Roster
Next season (approx 30% turnover rate) so a 6 Win Season is probably what the Eagles are looking at in 2013..
Look around the NFC and see Teams like the Redskins,Bucs,Panthers,Vikings,Rams,Seahawks who are already in this process a year or two.. I see the Eagles,Cardinals as the Doormats of the NFC
For the next couple of Seasons to be honest
Paul, I definitely understand your pessimism. For me it comes from the presence of Howie Roseman in the equation.
But if they got the right Football Guy in the Front Office(Bill Polian, Charley Casserley, John Dorsey, Nick Caserio, Ron Hughes)
Hire the right Head Coach (Vic Fangio) w/ an inivative staff. I know a lot of people want Greg Roman, but I don’t find the SF Offense that impressive. Fangio is much more creative, and would bring in an offensive Coordinator, who is just as intelligent.
And Draft the right players we can get back into contention within the next 2 years, or less.
I am begging them to get Lotululei, and be aggressive and get another 1st round pick Te’o, Keenan Allen, Jarvis Jones……I too believe all the Offensive Lineman we need are in the 2nd- 3rd Rounds. But they can turn this around with the right decisions….will they do that…I don’t know.
i dont think the eagles will be doormats if the offensive line holds up. We’ll have a decent running game so we can bring along the young qb, a better defensive concept, and at least one competent safety.The main problems of the team are turnovers(foles wont turn it over as much as vick)offensive line, and defensive scheme.
i know nnamdi and the safties stunk all year but with a dominant pass rush it wont be as bad next season.Depending on free agents and the draft im looking at a 9-7 team at least
GM Rosenan is not going anywhere and Tom Donahoe is already in place as the next VP of Ops and I am not sold on him either
He did a pretty lousy job in Buffalo, wouldn’t you say
Yes Brother I agree…there is still the chance Paul, that he won’t be the next VP of FOPs……Lurie would be smart to add a Polian, Casserley, Dorsey, or Caserio
I think Asmo returns and that DRC signs a deal and gets out of Philly
I don’t think DRC has the mental toughness to play in Philly and see him moving onto a Team in the South like the Spanthers OT Titans to be closer to his home town in Tennessee
I’d rather keep the more athletic, and talented DRC
Asmo is not coming back…..not at $15m for 2013
The Eagles will resign DRC and sign Brent Grimes for a combined $15m per season….
Asmo is gone
We don’t want Brent Grimes
If you want to sign him I’d rather keep Nnamdi
A big thing to remember also about all this Talent that I keep hearing about on this Roster
Last year (2011) the Eagkes were the heathiest team in the NFL with the only season ending injury being DT Anthony Dixon from last years squad and they still only managed a 8-8 Record being relatively full strength all Season long
Yes some of it’s Coaching and Scheme, but I still believe that far to many tend to over-value the Talent of this Eagles Rosters
All teams have Talent but to compare the skill positions and overall depth to the top half of the other NFL Teans is just not realistic to me and now this Season, when they did incur some major injuries, the Wheels fell of
And even then, this Eagles Defense pretty much was the same squad
And has been relative healthy most of the Season and is still floundering
Eagles re-sign DRC (and give him the big bonus a starting CB gets) and I guearantee I’ll be reading “he’s a bum” comments littering these pages.
DRC is a talented, but lazy and inconsistent player.
It wouldn’t bother me at all if the Eagles let him go.
Guaranteed to be gone- Vick, Lewis, Watkins, Bell, Duncrap, Jenkins, Patterson, Landri, Tapp, ASSomugha (paying $4M, is better than $15M), Allen, Coleman (ST’s only), Jordan, Chaney.
Should be gone- Maclin, Avant, Harbor, Cole.
Won’t be back due to health- Peters (not happening).
Keepers for the rebuild- Foles, Shady, Brown, Polk, Havili, DJax (as a #2 down the field weapon), Johnson, Cooper, Celek, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans (RG), Kelly (BU), Hunt, Curry, Graham, Cox, Thornton, Kendricks (finally at WILL. Only saying since drafted), Ryans, DRC (can’t replace 2 starters & compete), Boykin, Marsh (BU, ST’s), Anderson (BU, ST’s), Hennerey.
FA targets , in order of need- QB (Flacco), OT’s (Long, Clady, Albert, Vollmer, Smith, Loadholt, Bushrod) Safeties (Byrd, Goldson, Moore), DE/DT (Knighton, Melton, Johnson) WR/ TE (Bowe, Jennings, Davis, Miller).
Draft targets- Teo, Lotuleilei, Joeckel, Hankins.
My plan as Asst GM/ Head of scouting- under Paulman & GM Cliff- Hire Vic Fangio. Change to 3-4 base DF. Sign DT Knighton, DE Spencer, S Byrd, 2 OT’s. Draft DT/ NT Lotuleilei/ Hankins. Rest of draft all OL, Secondary, big WR. Play Cox, Curry, Thornton, as 3-4 DE’s, Knighton, & Lotuleilei/ Hankins as NT, OLB’s Spencer & Graham, MLB’s Ryans & Kendricks. DRC & Byrd are good starting points, for the rebuild. Rest of the team???
DCar you forgot that God awful Casey Matthews………
Eough with “I’m elite” Flacco.
Never.
STFU, I’m bored & trying to think about the future. At least I ain’t saying I like Vick. ROFLMFBO!!!!
On OF- Foles, Shady, Havilli, Long/ other FA, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Smith/ other FA/ Kelly, DJax, Maclin (if still here), Cooper, Davis, Celek.
Why STFU? I just keep reading the name Flacco on here as….I don;t get it.
Flacco?
Though it is good you’re not brining up any ludacris “Vick is coming back” scenarios
LOL! Just messing with you Vin! The reason Flacco keeps coming up, is he’s the ONLY other option, other than Foles. There are NO other FA’s, the draft is devoid of a Franchise QB, or anyone better than the kid. I ain’t a huge Flacco fan either, but if the new HC ain’t comfortable with Foles, he’s the only, quote on quote, franchise type QB, out there, unless you want Flynn, Smith, or someone else’s garbage! Me, I’d stick with the kid for a year, & see what we got. It’s going to be an organizational enema anyways, & we ain’t winning a SB anytime soon, so what do we have to lose?!?
Good stuff DCar
I disagree with OL assesment
Peters will be back along with Watkins
Gone are Bell,Dunlap and Herremans (unless he takes pay-cut)
They will Draft an OT in the first 2 Rounds
WR- I think Maclin is the odd man out and traded to the Rams
For one of multiple Draft picks they have (probably a 3rd Rounder)
TE – Harbor’s Rookie Deal is up I Believe and will be a goner
On Defense
I see Patterson, Landri as goners
LB- Jordan & Matthews and possibly Chaney
CB – Asmo (unless he takes major pay-cut )
I think DRC wants out of Philly and will walk and will take a free-agent Deal for the Titans/Panthers and move back South
Safety – Colenan and Sims goners
Free-Agency
Adding a WR, a TE threat, a DT, a LB, a Strong Safety Nd
A CB
Eagls QB’s will be Foles/Edwards and they will bring another you g QB
For summer camp reps but remember that whoever the new HC
And Oc along with the QB Coach will want to get Foles as many reps possible next Spring/Sumner to learn their “system”
Vick is a goner just like he is right now, physically cleared to play but Organization has seen enough of him and believe me, this is not from Coach AR, this is from tge Top (Donahoe, Roseman & Lurie)
They are done with Vick plain & simple
I have a question how did Tampa Bays secondary look again today?
I noticed the same guys who want Vick gone also wanted Mcnabb gone…They also were on Kolb’s balls…So, you know I can’t wait til Foles is the starter on the bext 3-13 team, so I can watch these same losers blame everything on the players around Foles while giving him a pass because he lacks experience.
Well, the Mcnabb you haters hated on became a franchise QB almost immediately when he was given the starting job in he 2nd season.
With Rosie, I mean Roseman at the helm and Nick Foles as the QB get comfortable living in the basement of the NFL….Laurie better sell before the stock takes a dive.
These people are delusional the good quarterbacks come in and play well immediately..
“….the good quarterbacks come in and play well immediately”
Stupidist thing I’ve ever read larrwd. And that’s saying a lot coming from you.
The Tampa secondary looked the same vs Brees as they did vs Foles, so what does that say? RG3 didn’t throw for any TD vs the Bucs, does that mean Foles is better than RG3?
Delusional is people thinking McNabb would have actually won us something at that time in his career when we traded him. Seriously, his short career after he left here was embarrassing. He was done. He couldn’t pay a GM right now for a nfl starting job.
ANd the eagles will never win a Super Bowl or anything close to it with Vick. End of story get over it people…And I won’t even get into his current average at best football skills…He can’t stay healthy…Too fragile and injury prone the facts are there for everyone to see.you don’t win SBs with guys like that.
I don’t know what the hell Foles is. MAybe he ends up blowing and is injury prone too. Who knows only time will tell…however, real time as in more than a couple of games
Songs the Eagles are a 5-6 win Team in 2013
They need a lot more than a QB
What difference does it make or business sense of keeping Vick at $20
Million next Season when you can address 2-3 Positions with kind of $$$
With Vick maybe they win 7-8 Games,
A new Coaching Staff comes and sets their own tone and philosophy and has no ties omr committed to the Players that are presently on this Roster who are 6 games below .500 in their last 30 Games (12-18 Record)
This is the time for a complete rebuild, it’s not a tweak here or there
This is a total rebuild job that will take 2-3 Years minimum so what’s the point of keeping a Vick, Herremans,Jenkins, Asmo and other highly paid, under-performing players that they haven’t even won a Playoff game to begin with
Fans need to wake-up, this isn’t Baseball or Basjetball where you can add
2 Stud Players and be right in the thick of it…
The Poor Drafts of 2008/2009 & 2010 are why the Eagles are where
Especially in the early Rounds (the first 3 Rounds) where when you have picks in the Top 100 Players) and the Eagles take players like Trevor Laws, Victor Abriami, Kevin Kolb, Bryn Smith,Joaquin Jarrett,Nate Allen, Teo Neisham,
Tony Hunt, Danny Watkins.. Are any of these players close to Pro-Bowl Status or even legitimate Starters and a couple even out of Football all together
Poor Drafts mean you have to continually add Free-Agents to upgrade the Roster which means you usually overpay for a player that another Team has given up on, or gas attitude issues or injury issues and then when that doesn’t work you gave to bring guys off the street to play that wouldn’t nakme many other Rosters..
McNabb became the starter in game nine of his first season, and he lost 4 of his first 6 starts, had a completion percentage of 49%, had 8 TDs 7 Ints.
Foles looks better as a rookie than McNabb did in his rookie year.
That’s right songs, the same people who saw mcnabb was a choke artist, heartless pr man are the same who see vik as a fundamentally flawed qb, and has nothing to do with the passive innuendo yo are suggesting, kolb is a better quarterback than Vick, mcnabb was a gutless choke artist clown, air gitaring it up then got the beat down by the cow girls, with all your knowledge on life, why don’t you wake up, foles is the best prospect we have seen in a long time
Mcnabb never had weapons the one year they had TO they went to the superbowl. Im not syaing mcnabb was great but he was a very good quarterback capable of winning.. The bottom line Andy reid doesnt build teams right.. Mcnabb was a guy that stayed in the pocket and didnt make mistakes you get a guy like that as many weapons as possible..not todd pinkston james thrash and chad lewis.. Vick is a guy who beats the blitz with his legs.. Its more efficient than throwing for a shorter fast quarterback.. But reid wants to make it hard . Reid has deficiencies, he finally got weapons for mcnabb and traded him and then tried to turn vick into mcnabb.. Its just stupid
Exactly what are the excuses going to be when Vick gets benched/hurt week 5 next year for either the Raiders…or Jacksonville…or Winnipeg……or whatever other wasteland he ends up playing for?
Mcnabb was a very good quarterback, but gutless choke artist clown, almost the polar opposite of Michel Vick
And if your don’t believe this guys white ass assessment of mcnabb, talk to the ultimate Philly warrior, Bernard Hopkins, see what his assessment of mcnabb is, just stifle it songs, foles has already showed more heart than that fraud mcnabb ever did, get over this friggin race thing, it doesn’t matter, that’s the last time I am preaching to you on this subject
As for McNabb…I knew he was fading (fast) from 2008 on…this was encapsulated in the probowl. Yes the probowl. With no passrush, in a glorified flag football game…with the best wrs in the nfl, McNabb went 3 of 10 with a pick. He had another horrible pass right into a defender’s arms. And then he had a pick 6 called back on a defensive hold (called I believe to save embarasment)
Right then…..obvious, overtly public recognition that McNabb was finished. SOmething I had felt for over a season, but at this point it was so obvious. He couldn;t throw the ball any more.
He then bounced trough 2 completely unsuccessful stints with 2 other teams.was sort of the ultimate ….it was so painfully obvious he was finished. It was depressing, because I was watching the end of a very productive era for the Eagles.
SO enough with all the “you guys calling for McNabb to be goone…”garbage. We just saw he was finished. So, btw, does the entire NFL at this point…give it a break…
As for his replacement….unfortunately, the Eagles went with Vick…and the last 3 years have been a giant pile of waste. I guarantee we would have been much better off never having signed that clown…..if Kolb didn;t work out, we would have been able to move forward a season or two ago (perhaps with Luck or RGIII).
So now we move forward with Foles through next season…..hopefully he’ll keep improving – though there have been very encouraging signs,…..
You know the Eagles are a bad Team when Posters have to bring up the coulda, shoulda, woulda of McNabb or even Vick for that matter
Bottom line, they didn’t get it done as neither did Coach AR which is why
AR and Vick are goners after the 2012 Season
@Paulman Can you look up Philip Rivers record his last 25 games? Or Could you please pull up Matthew Staffords record his last 25 games? i know what it is I just want to hear it from you.
And the fact that Rivers sucks means what exactly…..
If I was a SD chargers fan I would have been demanding for that guy to be tradedé released too (along with Turner).
Stafford….maybe not so much…he is only 24 and still young…just came off a pretty amazing year last year….but as long as I keep seeing pics of him partying on spring break and standing on the sideline with a backwards hat..I doubt heès going to be all that successful.
Daggolden point fellas is when bashing Vick his win loss record is constantly being thrown into the conversation so he’s wondering what other so called superior QB’S records are.
While your at it please post Carson Palmers and Ryan Futzpatricks record.
Why do you keep asking us to compare Vick to other QBs who suck?
Though I suppose those are his peers……
Are you the same guys who said Dawk was finished before he went to 2 pro bowls with the Broncos?
Paulman?
Was it you who said Nate Allen was the answer after Dawk?
Was it you who said Burfict wouldn’t be in the league?
You Eagles apologists reflects the losing organization.
If this organization would have listened to knowledgeable fans and pundits like Domowitch….hell even G Cobb….years ago this team would not have hit bottom.
another subject…
Reid believed the NFC East would stay doormats forever from the time he inherited his core from Ray Rhodes….He was so full of himself he traded out of the 1st round with Dallas…our number 1 rival in the year we drafted bum ass Kolb.
What team trades their 1st round pick to a division rival?
Reid did so many things ass backwards while apologists lapped up.
@Vinnie you know why he’s asking those questions and yes they are his peers, at this point it really doesn’t make a difference but it is interesting that none of these QB’s that are being mentioned have been benched or pulled or blamed for the entire downfall of the teams they play for. The Carson Palmer fiasco or trade will go down as the worst trade in NFL history and he doesn’t get half the nonsense that Vick does.
but it is interesting that none of these QB’s that are being mentioned have been benched or pulled or blamed for the entire downfall of the teams they play for.
(palmer) doesn’t get half the nonsense that Vick does.
That is such complete utter garbage.
I mean seriously….the Raiders were switching Palmer with Pryor today. The fanbases for those teams are SCREAMING for their QBs to be replaced.
If you believe anyone who wears the powder blues things Rivers is the answer at QB you’ve got a screw loose.
@Biglion These fans here must think were stupid. Im watching RG3, Luck and Russell W who have only played a couple more games than Foles who are rolling. But I gotta listen to our fans say, “well as long as we see some improvement from him”, lol f&$k that. He better be rolling againt the Giants and Redskins. He better not be 1-6 No excuses. I dont want to hear about no oline, defense, nothing. He studies more film than any QB in NFL history Im told. He reads defenses better than any QB in NFL history Im told. He keeps his eyes down field better than any othe QB in NFL history Im told.
Those other qbs have a starting offense with weapons, when in the history of this franchise has a quarterback played, been judged with 10 of 11 starters missing, you give this kid foles with a starting offense next year and watch out, I have watched a lot of qbs play and this guy has it
RG3, Luck and R Wilson are winning games and leading thier teams to the playoffs. They are rookies just like Foles. No excuses, hes expected to win these next 2 games just like the other rookie QBs. You want to play the Franchise game with the big boys then he better lead this team like they are doing. Watching Kurt Cousins (another rookie), who never started a game lead the Redskins to a victory his first start and hes a backup. Foles is going up against 2 rookie QBs next week just like himself. Hes expected to win just like those rookies are. No excuses.
@jakedog psssst your argument would be valid if 2 of them weeks Bryce Brown wouldnt of set franchise records for rushing. So your no weapons and oline theory doesnt work. Bryce Brown rushing for over 300 yards means your oline is just fine and you had a stud running the ball. Sorry try again with the no weapons and oline bullshit.
I don’t think Foles is the answer daggolden but my goodness I hope I’m wrong because looking at how bad the NFC East is it is unacceptable to give him the starting job next year just because he might have potential, and we fall further behind when in actuality we are a few moves from being right back in this thing next year.
@Vinnie it’s about time with Palmer and if you ask half the people posting on this site if they would take Rivers I guarantee they would even though I agree with you he sucks, @daggolden I like Cousins more then I like Foles but again let’s give Nick a chance the biggest mistake the Eagles can make in my opinion is hand him the starting job next year without any competition. He will not win either of these last two games so he will indeed have a 1-6 record but in his defense this offense is depleted and that is an understatement.
How many yards did brown rush against the bucs when foles delivered, when he ran for big yards, how many fumbles did he have, just say, it man up and really speak your mind, we would all respect you more than just hiding behind cowardly, bullshit criticism of a white quarterback, you guys are pathetic little weasels, you cannot objectively analyze the quarterback’ s play, because he’s not in your likeness, he’s not black, and you want black, it’s not all of you mother fuckers by the way , I listen to the radio, I hear plenty of blacks objectively analyze the quarterbacks play, I hear plenty of rational thoughts, but gcobb is the wasteland for excuse making, racists blacks, although in the minority of eagles fans , the are heard here, and they all sound like Whiney little bitches, this is the united states of america, if you can’t make it here and you are a minority you are a real fucking loser
one question…..who looks better so far? Foles or Kaepernick?
I want Vinnie to answer this one because he thinks Kaepernick is going to be the downfall of the Niners. Ha Ha
Stop Jake with the racist black stuff man, do you realize black Eagles fans will be 100% behind Foles if he turns out to be good not great just good and they could care less what color he is, the reason most people were defending Vick was because of the things that were being said about Vick nothing else.
The decision to put Kapernik in mid-season is going to come back to haunt them this year.
As for your question…..for the situations they’re in….
Foles. He’s doing more with less. He is playing better than the Qb he rpeplaced…and doing it with less weapons.
Kapernik is not playing as well (at best equal to) as his predecessor.
vinnie…..lay off the crack dude.
it’s clear you’re visually flawed.
Did you say Mcnabb was better than Brady and Peyton Manning when he was throwing to Pinkston and Thrash?
Didn’t he do more with less compared to them at that time?
Was Mcnabb better than those 2 based off of your current assessment of Foles anf Kaepernick?
It doesn’t matter too much if some of you guys want to get on your knees for Michael Vick. There’s no head coach that would keep Vick as the starter next year.
Nobody ever said they want Vick did they? You never heard a Vick supporter say that Vick played well. Most of us said we need to move on. Now what we did say was be fair.There are other QBs who suck. We did say AR didnt put Vick or McNabb in the best position to win. When we start questioning QBs work ethic and if they study, if they are smart enough thats when you get defenders. Because thats not fair. Maybe he just wasnt good enough. Then we have a opionion about Foles. Some fans say he is the next Brady and some fans say he sucks. Everyone has a opinion. The great thing about it is we get to see who is right in the next 2 weeks. No excuses.
They never get the part where we say his time is done here. It’s almost scary how upset some people get when you point out certain things. You get the name calling and cursing its sad.