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Roseman Doesn’t See Massive Overhaul Coming For Eagles Roster

nitwitApparently, a 4-12 season doesn’t serve as a strong enough indictment of a team’s players to warrant massive roster changes.

Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman spoke to Ruben Frank of CSNPhilly.com, and made it clear that he doesn’t think his roster needs a serious overhaul in order to be successful.

“You’re still a 4-12 team, so you’re talking about a situation where we want to compete every year and have a chance to be in the tournament and that gives you a chance to win a Super Bowl, and for us, that means make sure we have the best possible team around the schemes that we’re putting together,” Roseman said.

“Because we are changing our scheme and changing our coaching staff, there’s going to be change. There’s natural change even when you keep your coaching staff together, so there’s naturally going to be change, but there are players in place here that we think can be here for the foreseeable future.”

Roseman’s idea of a culture change is good in theory, but I believe he’s making a serious mistake by not blowing up this roster. A new coaching staff is a good start towards a culture change, but replacing the rotten apples in the locker room is just as important.

Over the last two years, the Eagles’ room has become infected by a group of players who have a world of talent, but that also have a losing mentality about them.

Think about the culture change that this team went through from the end of the 2008 season through the beginning of 2011.

After the 2008 season, the Eagles lost Brian Dawkins, the heart and soul of the team’s defense, a face of the franchise, and a guy who commanded respect and brought the best out of his teammates throughout his career in Philadelphia. The team also lost another pair of highly respected veterans when offensive lineman Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas were shown the door in that same offseason.

A year later, the Eagles said goodbye to Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Sheldon Brown, and Jeremiah Trotter. Four more players who had been centerpieces of Andy Reid’s success were no more, leaving the Eagles with almost no remaining links to their teams in the early 2000’s that dominated the NFC East, went to five NFC Championship games, and to the 2004-05 Super Bowl.

From 2000 to 2009, the Eagles had one of the most stable, positive locker room cultures in the league. Guys like McNabb, Westbrook, Dawkins, Runyan, Thomas, Trotter, Brown, Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, and Bobby Taylor had played together throughout their entire careers. They were a close-knit group that more or less entered the league together, and worked hard to build their teams into the successful units that they were. These guys played for each other, and they understood what it took to win in Philadelphia.

Now let’s fast forward to the start of the 2011 season, and examine the type of culture change that had taken place.

From the start of that ill-fated season and until now, the Eagles have been in the hands of a bunch of players that love to talk big, but have accomplished absolutely nothing on the field. The backbone of the roster that has been in Philadelphia the last two seasons has constructed primarily through free agency, as the Eagles front office went on a free-agency spending spree, paying top dollar to get guys like Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins, Ronnie Brown, Steve Smith, Vince Young, or any player with a big name.

The veteran mercenaries joined forces with guys like Michael Vick, DeSean Jackson, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, as well as a handful of disappointing draft picks like Nate Allen, Brandon Graham, Danny Watkins, and Jaiquawn Jarrett, and the result is a locker room that is anything but close-knit.

A culture that was once stable and successful has now become toxic. You have Michael Vick running around telling everyone that would listen that this team would be the start of a dynasty. You have DeSean Jackson sulking about his contract while putting forth half-hearted effort on the field. Instead of nasty, powerful offensive lineman like Runyan and Thomas playing hard and toughing out injuries, you have Demetress Bell being paid like an elite left tackle and sitting on the bench, and Danny Watkins a former first-round pick who couldn’t take criticism and doesn’t like football.

Remember what great leadership was provided by Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Troy Vincent, and Sheldon Brown on the defensive side of the ball? Nowadays you have Nnamdi Asomugha leading by example by blowing coverages and pointing fingers at his safeties, and eating lunch by himself in his car away from his teammates during the week at practice. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie allows himself to mentally check out of games every other week, and we have a safety (Nate Allen) that is afraid to play aggressive and hit anyone. And let’s not forget the ultimate me-first guy, Jason Babin, who only cared about his sack numbers. Talk about a change in culture.

Culture changes start with a coaching staff, but if the big personalities from the previous roster remain in place, how can a true culture change take place? If ever a team needed to be blown up, it’s this group of Eagles.

Howie Roseman is out of touch with reality if he really believes that a new coaching staff is all that it’s going to take to turn this team’s fortunes around. A true culture change means eliminating the faces of the 2011 and 2012 teams, the guys who haven’t lived up to their contracts, the guys who aren’t bothered by losing, the guys who flat out quit at the first sign of trouble.

“We have a lot of core players who are here and under contract that the dynamic with them will change because they’re used in a different way, they talk to different coaches, so I think when you’re around the building and around the coaching staff, you see that it’s different,” Roseman said.

“Obviously, we had a tremendous amount of success with coach Reid and a tremendous amount of respect for coach Reid and his coaching staff, but when you do bring in a new coaching staff, it is a culture change.”

After following a disappointing 8-8 season with a wretched 4-12 campaign, does Roseman really believe that a new coaching staff will change the attitudes of these guys? You can’t teach new tricks to old dogs. By clinging on to the idea that this roster still has lots of untapped potential, the Eagles are only stunting their progress.

This roster has had more than a fair shot, and this should be the year that the Eagles cut their losses and turn the page. Changing the coaching staff is a good start, but by letting a good portion of the roster remain intact, if the goal is a culture change then this is a job that’s only half-done.

 Denny Basens is the editor of GCobb.com. Email him at dbasens@ycp.edu

 

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eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 11:20 am

Wins is all that matters Howie
4-12
and Jeff Lurie told everyone you had nothing to do with 2011, and 2010 so your winning percentage is .250 ———-LOL
29 Million on the table and Howie thinks the roster is fine

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 11:21 am

opps I’m a dingbat .333

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 11:28 am

opps double down on me being a dingbat

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2013 11:28 am

Bingo

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 11:20 am

Denny, you tell the truth around here,and how many gcobb posters have been saying the same thing for months, t I believe the Kelly hire was a stooge deal, howie and his boyfriend lured him with a lot of money, but do it our way, Gus Bradley would have swept all this garbage out, and this feminist organization could not handle it

4-12 next year

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 11:26 am

1960 is the last NFL Championship
Do Jeff, Howie and Chip really think they are going to get away with patience and new regime takes time, LOL
the next Boo chants will be for Howie and Jeff not “Fire Andy”

btc24
btc24
February 21, 2013 11:31 am

Anyone else annoyed that Howie called it the “tournament” as opposed to the “playoffs?” This isn’t March Madness dude!!!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 11:44 am
Reply to  btc24

I am more annoyed that Howie and Ruban were playing footsies and throwing BS at Eagle fans with this per-arranged love fest Q&A —

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2013 11:32 am

Howie also is on record saying they will draft the best player available and not draft based on position and in the same interview say we need to draft guys that fit our system. What in the hell does that mean. Boy I hope Gamble and Kelly will be doing the drafting and fa signings.

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 12:35 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

With the 4th Overall Selection in the 2013 Draft
The Eagles Select Punter John Jones from the University of Florida..

Frank22
Frank22
February 21, 2013 11:44 am

The colts had a massive overhaul of their team and it worked out well. One thing that they have that we don’t, a franchise qb! Lu k was probably the best prospect in the last 10-12 years. We have mike Vick. A complete overhaul is not feasible with this team. There are some peaces to build upon, not many, bust some. Add peaces to the D and O-Line, play this year out and look for that franchise qb next year. I want to see a team that plays with tenacity this year. That is a building block to the future of this team.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2013 11:44 am

denny i’m with you… clean sweep- untouchables lesean, cox, kendricks and not much else. culture is so important in a locker room. there have been reports that the steelers locker room was a mess this year and they were 8-8.
i know everyone here is focused on the draft as they should be but i do find it disturbing that the ‘smart FA’ seem to not take into account exactly what you said…. bring in a young core group and build something…. a la the colts last year!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2013 11:44 am

that should be ‘smart front office’

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 11:48 am

To:Ruban Frank
with the civil polite questions you might think this team just went 12-4
Howie sure does appreciate the kindness, you sure are a swell guy

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2013 11:50 am

If these cock suckers, get past the draft, without signing at least a few new starters, & don’t dump the abortions off this roster, I’m going to start a petition on here, to boycott these Motha F^#@ers! Also if they don’t do what needs to be done, & the idiots out there still give these $$$$ grubbing, cheap @$$ f^#@s, any $$$$, you get what deserve! This weasely, dorky, ill-equipped, over-matched, TOOTSIE, bone smuggling, wannabe, fantasy football, GM, needs to be run out of town! Does he think we’re all F^#@ING STUPID?!? How DARE, this wet rat, insult our intelligence! If he truly thinks this team is good to go, ONLY, with Reid, & DRC gone, he’s the STUPIDEST, Motha F^#@er alive! GTFO! JUST STFU, you dirtbag!!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2013 11:54 am
Reply to  DCar

AR will be the one with the quick, efficient turnaround… i think we’ve been spurriered!

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2013 12:07 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC, at this rate, we’d be lucky to equal the 4-12 record! Losers, gimmicks, & inexperience on the coaching staff! Loser QB, back. Weasel, know-nothing, wannabe, fantasy football, GM! Trash truck juice roster, with apparently, not many changes! YEAH, I’m all in! YOU?!? SB BAAAAAABY!!!!

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 12:11 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I agree with you HAC,
Reid gets a QB (Alex Smith, Matt Flynn or Nick Foles)
The Chiefs are a 8-9-10 Win Team next Year in the very weak AFC West..

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 21, 2013 12:33 pm
Reply to  paulman

I know….if the Chiefs get a Foles/Jeockel combo, their fanbase has a chance to look forward with hope.

(A Smith or Flynn/Joeckel combo would not espouse the same hope, as both Smith and Flynn will be seen as castoffs, guys who couldn’t beat out rookie starters.)

But young promising QB with young promising tackle would be an exciting time….promise. (it might not work out, but at least there is hope for the next year or so)

Eagles (right now) bringing back failed old guy, and twice cut retread…..where is the promise in that? The excitement? The hope?

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 11:56 am

I stated to everyone that this was my worst fear and when they announced they were bringing back Vick for next Year, my thoughts were that this is going to happen (Keep Roster mostly intact)
Roseman has sold Lurie that a fresh Coaching Staff (Kelly) can make the differencee because it’s an indictment on Roseman himself if they cut the chord with many players since Roseman is the one responsible for Drafting,Signing to Free-Agent Deals or Trading for them to begin with
A similar Roster playing for Kelly may produce 6-7-8 Wins with a few breaks since their Schedule is much easier in 2013, but this is not going to change the Vision or Identity of this Franchise in my opinion.. The small but fast, and throw it around the Yard all game,appears to be the mode that they are keeping..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 12:06 pm
Reply to  paulman

everyone on this site is watching the $29 Million Dollars available very closely – and we all can filter through the contract incentive racket Lurie sells too

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 12:39 pm

Watch them blow much of this $29 Million on Resiging DRC and extend Maclin..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2013 12:59 pm
Reply to  paulman

This post is the truth paulman. Right on the money. Bringing back Vick and I like Vick should have signaled to all of us that they weren’t rebuilding that they are trying patchwork building. They needed to blow this thing up.

mr1charlton
mr1charlton
February 21, 2013 3:22 pm
Reply to  paulman

When the shit hit the fan concerning what his kids did, ANDY SHOULDA BEEN GONE THEN… Andy is no different than Vermiel or Buddy ( NO SB RINGS ) and Andy’s predessor Ray Rhodes… I liked him… just ran into some hard luck with no QB his last 2 yrs.after Gruden left for Oakland.. he had a hell of a staff though, Gruden, Harbaugh, Sean Peyton all SB’s The o line coach Callaghan, a SB appearence….I do wonder though… If that was Ray Rhodes Kids convicted of those crimes (GUN CHARGES)… Rhodes woulda been on the first plane outta town.reguardles­­­s of his winning %….. Just Sayin

Stevo
Stevo
February 21, 2013 12:02 pm

The Birds gave up 33 touchdown passes, which not only was the most in the league, but also the most in franchise history.

Their eight interceptions were the third fewest in the league.

Their 99.6 opponent passer rating was the second-worst in the NFL and their 104.7 third-down opponent passer rating was the bottom of the barrel.

DAMMIT VICK!!

haha…. as ive said for like 4 years. Our D sucks….. more than anything else we seen in philly in a long long time.

Stevo
Stevo
February 21, 2013 12:03 pm
Reply to  Stevo

pulled all that from philly.com. Keep talking about Vick if you want but we need to fix the back 4.

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2013 12:12 pm
Reply to  Stevo

DF BLOWS, Weaselman BLOWS & so does VICK! I’m sick of these Motha F^#@ers! I wanna punch Weaselman in his big weasel nose! He’s even managing to ruin the off-season, before it starts! Gamble needs to give him an arsenic milkshake!

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 12:15 pm

The Eagles Secondary collectively has been the worst Rated Secondary in
the NFL from a combined period of 2009 thru 2012

Sean McDermott believe it or not was the last decent Secondary Coach the Eagles had and ever since he was promoted to DC to replace JJ, the Eagles Secondary went to shit and has gotten worse and worse each Season depsite the Talent and have gone thru 4-5 Secondary Coaches since then..
The Current Secondary Coach hired from Univesity of Cincinnati is a Coach that I am not familiar with at all as far as his background,etc,etc. .
anyone know much about him.. This is a Critical Coaching hire and an area of the Team that must get fixed or they won’t be able to compete against the good Teams with good QB’s..

granbeagle
granbeagle
February 21, 2013 12:20 pm

Thank you Stevo

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 21, 2013 12:54 pm

As much as I hate the idea of Mike Vick being the starting QB, he is easy to replaced. In Chip Kelly’s offense anyone with a strong arm and speed can play QB.I know Dixon and EJ Manuel are not good QB’s but neither is Vick. To me, any one of these three QB’s can run the zone/read offense.

If the Oregon Eagles can put up 50 points a game, like the Oregon Ducks, then we don’t need much defense.

I think we are all worried for nothing.

Look at it this way – if everything goes wrong (Vick and all Kelly’s roadrunners fail), we can just scrap this whole Kelly experiment and build a traditional NFL team in five years.

Of course, dumb asses like me will have paid thousands of dollars to go see the experiment fail in-person, but what the hell.

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
February 21, 2013 12:58 pm

DCar please Bruh. You sound pathetic. If you scared get a dog. Man up!

DCar
DCar
February 22, 2013 5:03 am

Scared of what? I’m thoroughly disgusted! WTF, you talken bout? BTW, I have 2 German Shepherds! LOL!

jbird
jbird
February 21, 2013 1:10 pm

I am really nervous and extremely disappointed so far with this off-season. People have been anticipating the new revolution since Randall Cunningham and guess what? Pocket passers continue to rule the league. And I believe they always will. The read option will go the way of the wild cat in five years. We are betting the future on a gimmicky fad that will soon die off. I truly hope Foles does not turn out to be an elite NFL QB because that would make me deeply depressed that we gave up someone that could have made us a legit franchise instead of perpetual also-rans.
And my efforts to stay enthusiastic have only been dampened by the Eagles hesitance to take out the trash from the roster. Can anyone please tell me why Nnamdi is still here??!?? What is taking so long to make MOVES????? Will they do it after the combine because the new staff has been focussing all of their energy on that? What is going on? I HATE the way this team always moves so slow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pipolo87
Pipolo87
February 21, 2013 1:34 pm
Reply to  jbird

Maybe they haven’t released Nnamdi because 1. They don’t want to take the Cap hit 4 million if they cut him. 2. they possibly want to trade him. 3. They may want to restructure his deal to keep or trade him. Patience is a virtue

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 4:07 pm
Reply to  Pipolo87

CB Asmo has no Trade Value.. If his Contract is bad for the Eagles, then it’s bad for the other 31 NFL Teams.. Taking a $4 Million Cap hit, but they are $27 Million undr right now and can absord that instead of paying him the full $15 Million he is due for 2013..
They must ask him to Restructure or Cut Him, that are the 2 only options that he and the Team has.. he goes out on the open Market, he will be luck to get a $5-$6 Million Deal (he would probably get a signing Bonus)

Pipolo87
Pipolo87
February 21, 2013 1:36 pm
Reply to  jbird

Also what Moves do you want to be made? Jbird! we cant trade or pick up players that are still on other teams till March 12. 3 more weeks

Pipolo87
Pipolo87
February 21, 2013 1:40 pm
Reply to  jbird

Also JBird i agree if Nick Foles becomes a Franchise QB, you know lesser heads have prevailed and we will never know until the beginning of the 2013 season. We will be biting ourselves if he becomes successful and we let him go. Andy Reid would look like the Genius and Chip not so much but hopefully we dont trade nick and we can work with him. People tend to forget nick foles is a coach and in an interview after a game if i am not mistaken the Tampa Game. Andy said Nick drew on the floor an area were there was dirt or sand and he drew up a 2 type play and condensed it into one play which led to the game winning score to beat tampa

btc24
btc24
February 21, 2013 2:18 pm
Reply to  jbird

jbird, we can’t make any moves right now other than cutting guys. Exactly what moves are you hoping for them to make?

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 2:22 pm

paulman you nailed it precisely, if the new coach cleaned house then its an indictment on the talent less rosemn, so roseman looked for a coach that would attempt to re work these losers that roseman brought in

and this begs the question, why wsnt’t roseman fired along with Andy, isn’t roseman just as much to blame for this shit personell, and why did Lurie lie to the fans and talk up Roseman un the 2012 draft but absolve hi from all the blunders of 2011 and free agent signings that have been busts, ask that question, why is Roseman still here

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 4:14 pm
Reply to  jakedog

No doubt about it Jake,
If Chip Kelly went into the Front Office and told Roseman./Lurie
these 12 Players need to be Traded/Cut/Released because They don’t fit what I want to do, then it is indeed an indictment for Roseman, now if they were all smart, they would have had a plan/strategy during their Interviewing and Hiring Conversations about what the short-term Roster would look like and if Roseman had to come out publicly and state , based on a new Philosophy with COach Kelly who we believe in 100% is the right Coach to take us to the Playoffs and Win us a Championship and per the Coaches Evaluations, these 10-12 Players no longer fit the Eagles new System, I don’t think any fan would have a hard time with this.. but to continue to act that the Talent Level on this EAgles Roster is Playoff Caliber and it’s a matter of tweaking some schemes and fresh eyes to emply a RO Offense is not the answer .. I am afraid that we will be seeing more of the same from this group which is highly disturbing to me as a Fan who has waiting a good 3-4 Years for the Andy Reid Era to end and was hoping to get back to some physical, smash-mouth, fundamentally sound Football again.. I am a patient man, but my patience is about to run out…

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 2:33 pm

Eagles usually admit past high draft pick mistakes by signing a Free Agent
Missed on Jon Harris signed Hugh Douglas
Missed on Freddie Mitchell signed Terrell Owens
Missed on Jerome McDougal signed Jevon Kearse
Missed on Brandon Graham signed Jason Babin
Missed on Danny Watkins signed__________________?

btc24
btc24
February 21, 2013 2:46 pm

Hopefully; missed on Danny Watkins, signed Andy Levitre.

mr1charlton
mr1charlton
February 21, 2013 3:27 pm

they traded for Hugh Douglass

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 3:37 pm
Reply to  mr1charlton

and T.O. but
I was just taking a shot at Graham and Watkins
and believe the Eagles will sign expensive competition for these busts

Pipolo87
Pipolo87
February 21, 2013 2:34 pm

Roseman knows he cant screw the pooch this time around because he knows Gamble will take over and Lurie has No problem replacing Roseman.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 21, 2013 2:53 pm

I really, really am trying to imagine how this is going to work, and I can’t see it. I can’t.

Team needs massive change. Bring back the guy who epitimizes the need for change. Add a retread. (Yes, yes, I understand…the secondary, the D, the D line, the oline….).

But culture and change starts with the figurehead….and the QB is the team’s figurehead…the face.

How is this going to work? Eagles rolling with Vick and Dixon and trade Foles.

All offseason the team will pump out the “we’re excited”…”expect big things”, “its different now”

Game 1. 1st Q. Vick under centre annnnnd….Turnover (you know its going to happen)

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO then what? Bring in Dixon? What happens if he does the same?

It will be over right there. Done.

And anyone who thinks this will not happen, just take a look back at week 17. Vick back, looking to redeem himself after a terrible year. Play 4 – Fumble. Play 5 Int.

IDefense, schmeefense. The Chip Kelly regime is going to collapse by the end of week 2 if they roll with MV and DD at the helm.

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 3:06 pm

exactly where this is headed vinnie, the hiring of chip kelly will be viewed as the biggest mistake in eagles history, while Andy reid will build a winning franhise out in Kansas City

Stevo
Stevo
February 21, 2013 3:23 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Stop living in fear. Who cares about Andy Reid? Are you honestly going to sit here and say that he should have remained?

No. So….he was not going to win here any time soon. It was over.

What he does in KC has nothing to do with us because he would NOT have been better here.

Stevo
Stevo
February 21, 2013 3:21 pm

Round and round we go.

Vinnie your fixation with the QB is understandable. It is. And most fans cant look past the QB…. its every girls dremp to date the QB… i get that.
But…… for this roster to change (and it has to), its going to take time.

We need a starting QB. Im not sold we have 1 yet. Kelly believes Vick on the roster is better tha Vick off the Roster. Not sure i agree but im letting him make the call.

Im convinced we need a CB, CB, FS, SS, LB, OT, DT, QB to win anything. Thats 8 guys. 8 faces that we dont have. Are we going to get all of that this off season? 8 new quality starters that will be our future? I doubt it. Its going to take time.

Be patient.
Stop crying
Watch the six…. i mean fly…. i mean phillies.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 3:42 pm
Reply to  Stevo

RG, LDE, TE also or 11 new starters or half the team

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2013 3:28 pm

Vinnie this cannot be all on the QB, yes if we wanted a fresh start then the QB should have went but Kelly wants him here, so he’s here so like I said I’m riding with Kelly on this one because he has to have a better plan then AR and MM.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 21, 2013 5:58 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

It isn’t all on the qb, but it always starts with the qb.

Stevo
Stevo
February 21, 2013 3:33 pm

for those that wanted to “clean house”.

Listen, im with you….. we need to cut players that have shown 0 desire to play. they need to go.

But….. do you guys understand that if they cut 15 guys…. they have to replace those bodies on the roster? What does this do…..

1) Cleaning house results in cap hits to our roster. This is a big deal never talked about.

2) We then move backups and special teams guys into HUGE rooles for the team. Is March and Boykin ready to start? What happens next year when we draft a starting CB? March… we like ya but….. as a 4th stringer… again.

3) They guys we covet raise their prices; If Im a FA corner and I see you are starting Trevor Lindley at CB….. im going to know you are desperate and will raise my asking price.

4) We change our draft from best player to need. If we cut VICK, NNAMDI and let DRC walk….. do you think we can honestly take a DT with our first pick? Be real.

Guys… come on…. you are smarter than this. Im all for cutting these guys loose IF….. IF…… IF we have people on our roster that can step into these roles ….WITHOUT….. hurting our team long term.

I honestly dont think ANY of those guys are here long term but its going to take time.

pheags88
pheags88
February 21, 2013 6:04 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Didn’t the colts overhaul like 40 percent of their roster last year?
When the Birds went through that whole Dynasty offseason, the point was made that many of them had cap friendly effects if they were cut, which included Vick. And the Eagles have I think the most cap room in the league this offseason due to the carryover effect from last season. As an owner, I think you would be happy to absorb some of those small cap hits (if there are any) if that meant your team got a head start in going in the right rebuilding direction, then just to throw away another year with the same nucleus of players that will not likely be here anyways in the future. Thus, your cap hit argument is pretty irrelevant (if the eagles are champions at one thing its the cap, they maybe the best at making cap friendly contracts that give them outs if needed).

And even if you have to rely on rookies or 1 year players for this season to fill your team, who cares. Fact is this team isn’t going anywhere this season with the same nucleus of loser vets anyways. Basically, if your going to lose with the vets, why not lose with young guys which could benefit your future by giving them playing time. Did you see this team play? who says Boykin/or a rookie wouldn’t be better than NA at CB?

And your draft argument makes no sense. You still draft the best player available. You look to FA for need. And your roster gets full because the Eagles are already a young team to begin with. This isn’t the Ravens.

So I think your are completely out of bounds in thinking this would be a major overhaul due to this team already being extremely young by NFL standards. Basically, all they had to do was rid themselves of Vick, Nnamdi, Patterson, Jenkins, (already got rid of Babin) this year and they would be going in the right direction for this upcoming season. Don’t over exaggerate it as cutting half the roster as if it would be some big ordeal. Everybody else on this roster has a reasonable cap number to keep them here for another year if needed without jeopardizing the salary cap or future of the team. Or because they barely make anything, you could cut them too with without feeling any major effect (Watkins is probably the only exception to this, unless they trade him we are prolly stuck with him for a while).

Stevo
Stevo
February 21, 2013 10:30 pm
Reply to  pheags88

Wrong… if we cut both the cb’s… and id be fine if we did…. we would need 4 new starters out of 4 spots in the secondary…not just 2 guys at cb.

Colts- the colts got a bit lucky this year… there is no way they expected to make a run. Plus… they bonded as a team and played with crazy emotion. Oh btw…. they landed a great qb. There aint one in this draft.

More on those colts… the colts are moving on from 2 guys THIS off season… so… thdre rebuilding took 2 years… just what i was saying the birds would do.

About free agentz…. why would we release these guys… take a cap hit… and go and spend more money on 2nd tear guys that are over paid? If they can sign a free agent at the cb spot that they love… great… THEN cut these guys. But….. to cut everbody RIGHT NOW makes no sense and shows our hand.

Point is….. be patient. Let the new coach see what he has. Im also pissed and frustrated as well… but this is going to take time.

I think nnamdi, drc are both gone THIS off season but…. let it play out.

pheags88
pheags88
February 22, 2013 1:55 am
Reply to  Stevo

“Point is….. be patient”..I have no problem with being patient with the right team. If we have young guys starting all over the field and FAs that are signed to be the future of the Philadelphia Eagles, then I (and Im sure many other Eagle fans) would have no problem being patient with THAT team. Are you serious, why release them? because they are not part of the future which makes them worthless. What we don’t have is patience in wasting another year. You bring back guys like Vick and Nnamdi and you are just wasting time. There is no patience for that crap. A rookie QB or Foles should be the starter this year. Hell I would rather have Dixon start over Vick if its all about implementing Chip’s system since Dixon actually knows it. If they struggle who gives a damn, Vick will prolly struggle every game till he gets hurt. Same goes for the rest of the overpriced vets I named.

Stevo
Stevo
February 22, 2013 9:16 am
Reply to  pheags88

Dixon and foles will get their chance in camp.

Nnammdi gets 4 million no matter if he plays in philly or gets cut today…. so see if he restructures or cut him. Draft his replacement ornsign th fa THEN cut him loose.

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 3:40 pm

no fear stevo, jusst callin it as I see it, it’s actually pretty hilarious how inept, dysfunctional, queer this eagles organization has become, I would never root for another team, nor will I ever follow another team like I do the birds, but I will be laughing hard when this thing comes crashing down, the Eagles are a second, third rate franchise in this town, they could learn a lot from the phillies, flyers, even the sixers, esoecially on pr and how to treat, energize ther fan base, but Lurie has always been about winning with agenda, he just doesn’t get it

I promise you the eagles will never win a super bowl with Lurie as owner unless he and his cluless friends, lovers get out and leave football decision to real men

Asante called it right, fantasy football geeks

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 3:44 pm
Reply to  jakedog

and Reid wouldn’t even shake Asante’s hand this year on the field
Asante had much love for Reid LOL

jbird
jbird
February 21, 2013 3:48 pm

Paul….I don’t see them extending Maclin. There is no basis to give him big dollars like there was for D Jack. Remember D Jack was once an explosive playmaker and a difference maker. Maclin is not. He has never made the PB or come close. They are not giving him eight million a year. They are not too smart but they are not that dumb either. So Maclin will try one more time to prove he is a top WR in this league so he can cash in. They would never pay him knowing he is forced to prove it on the field this year therefor giving them maximum effort. That would just make terrible business sense. If they re-sign

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2013 3:52 pm
Reply to  jbird

I agree 100% Jbird and was just being facetious.. I am one of the few that think the Eagles would be smarter to Trade Maclin this off-Season while his Trade Value is the highest it will ever be due to his still young age, his good production and his current Salary (which is a bargain for 2013) .. His Production is good, but not great and easily replaceable in my opinion..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2013 4:12 pm
Reply to  paulman

Reid liked to use Maclin on the right and DJax on the left
who knows how Kelly will line them up
DJax being on Vick’s left side helped his numbers, just human nature

Pipolo87
Pipolo87
February 21, 2013 4:10 pm

At the end of the Day Desean Jackson was better then Jeremy Maclin as a WR while in philly but hey you dont have to take my word for it.

pheags88
pheags88
February 21, 2013 5:33 pm

This title should be no surprise to anyone. They already brought back Vick, who was one of the biggest problems/overpaid bums on this team last year. They will probably restructure Nnamdi as well and bring that bum back to. The only move that benefited the future of the Philadelphia Eagles was bringing in Gamble.

Butch007
Butch007
February 21, 2013 5:58 pm

Did you really expect anything different from Roseman? He is the architect of the current locker room madness, the coach is gone, the staff is gone…Roseman clearly pinned the failure of the team squarely on Reid & company and is unwilling to accept any blame. Lurie is unwilling to place any blame on Roseman for any part of the disgrace that has been the last three seasons of Eagles football, so that’s where it sits.

Frank22
Frank22
February 21, 2013 6:59 pm

I can see ditching the whole D, but the offense has done players to work with.

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 8:18 pm

Exactly butch great insight, great post, this is a sad eagles franchise currently because there is a void at leadership at the top, which will doom any organization , that’s why it’s futile to talk about details , the draft, maybe fun for some, but to me…….

Futility, more futility until these nerds, lovers of greed, money , status, agenda, but not men, howie Roseman and Jeff Lurie are the antithesis, the Antichrists, so to speak , of everything Philly, “yo Adrian “, has been emasculated completely by these ball less bastards, they have taken away from us our Philadelphia eagles, and what is worse they attempt to bull shit us…

Long live any team that plays the Philadelphia eagles

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 8:25 pm

And if you read this dork rosemans bio he had no particular interest in football, since he could never play the game, but consistent with his heritage, background, he saw football as a way to make some money, and the eagles were one of many teams he constantly solicited for a chance, he wanted the jets first, he has no pedigree except greed, no allegiance to phillyj, born in new York, a Brooklyn Jew, raised in Marlboro new jersey, but lurievgave him this chance, but I am calling on all eagles fans to reject this interloper of greed, opportunity…

No to howie Roseman, no to Jeff Lurie,

We demand accountability

DonP
DonP
February 21, 2013 8:26 pm

This strapper is clueless “doesnt deserve major roster change” half the team had no balls man. This clown is gonna fuk this thing up and let me tell u he should be run out of town on a horse riding side saddle like the bitch he is nerd dont know nothing bout the sport this owner and this clown must be going out why would this fool be given all this power really

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
February 21, 2013 8:44 pm

I guess this is like saying that Chip Kelly and his coaching staff can get more from this group of misfits than Andy Reid did… Do they really think that highly of Chip..

This whole thing just gets more and more like the Steve Spurrier/Danny Wuerffel experience everyday.

jott1972
jott1972
February 21, 2013 9:15 pm

Been saying since they hired chip……he will return to college in 2 years……

This team will not win under him because of the people above him….the fans will grow impatient when they are under .500 next year then around .500 the next year and Kelly will leave for a top college program….you need to not inly blow up the roster, but the front office….Howie needs to go

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2013 9:59 pm

Glad to see reason, uniformity among eagles fans , keep it up, do not accept this ownership, general manager, continue to speak the cold hard truth

clemenza
clemenza
February 22, 2013 10:07 am
Reply to  jakedog

Jakedog.,I have been a season ticket holder for this my 27 th year.I feel like I would have been better off lighting cigars with that 8,000.00 dollars I have wasted these last 2 seasons.I have to say if I were the owner I would not have had the nerve to raise ticket prices, I am positive I am not the only paying customer who feels they have wasted their money for 2 years.It looks like to me the new coach is the latest “gimmick” and this team loves gimmicks that I truly despise ie “the wide 9”,”the west coast offense”….I had hoped we had finally learned our lesson and were just going to line up and play some football !

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 22, 2013 8:03 am

i’m trying to stay off the ledge! maybe the vick signing really means nothing??maybe there is a good plan– they don’t have to show their hand to us or anyone. i’m not brimming with faith but the off season just started– there have been no significant moves around the league– we are reacting to what howie said in a softball interview and the vick signing–

clemenza
clemenza
February 22, 2013 9:50 am

You have to be joking,I would keep at the very most 15 players because this team stinks and one reason is your drafting Howie Please let Tom Gamble make all the picks and any free agents choices bc he has proven he knows what the hell he is doing